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Braves Do Big Damage To The Mets Bullpen In A 6-3 Win.

It took until the eighth inning, but the Braves bats finally woke up, scoring four runs off the Mets beleaguered bullpen en route to a 6-3 win.

Up until that eighth inning, lefty Jon Niese had kept the Braves in check, working in and out of trouble while pitching with a 3-1 lead. 

The Braves started the scoring in the second inning, as Freddie Freeman led off the inning with a single. Alex Gonzalez followed with a one-out double that advanced Freeman to third. Joe Mather grounded to short and beat the throw to first,and it was enough to score Freeman and give the Braves a 1-0 lead. 

Atlanta had a chance to put up a crooked number, but Derek Lowe's bunt wasn't close enough to the first base line, allowing Niese to get Gonzalez out at the plate. Jordan Schafer grounded out to end the inning.

The rest after the jump.

Star-divide

The Mets broke into the scoring column in the fourth inning with a little help from the third base umpire. Jose Reyes led off the inning by hitting a ball into the right center field gap off Derek Lowe. Schafer got the throw in to Dan Uggla, who threw a rocket to Chipper Jones at third. Replays showed that Reyes was out on the tag from Chipper but was called safe on the play.

Carlos Beltran singled to right two batters later, scoring Reyes and tying the game at 1. A walk to Jason Bay and back-to-back singles from Daniel Murphy and Angel Pagan scored Beltran and Bay, giving the Mets a 3-1 one lead.

In the top of the fifth inning, a scary play happened involving Schafer. Schafer turned to bunt a Jon Niese pitch, and the ball deflected off his bat into his face. He immediately fell to the ground in pain. Schafer left the game, and was replaced by Eric Hinske. Schafer was taken to the hospital for x-rays on the area between his lips and nose. 

The Braves bats finally got going in the eighth inning, as Chipper Jones hit a towering shot into the club level of Citi Field off Niese to start the inning and cut the deficit to 3-2. Mets media on twitter said that they have never seen a ball hit to that area in the ballpark before. Typical Larry Wayne Jones in New York. 

Niese got the next two outs, but was replaced by the elderly Jason Isringhausen, who struggled. He immediately walked Dan Uggla, and allowed Uggla to advance to second base by throwing a wild pitch. Reyes paid the Braves back for the missed call at third by whiffing on a grounder from Gonzalez. Uggla came around from second to score, tying the game at 3.

After a scoreless seventh inning from Scott Linebrink in the seventh inning in relief of Derek Lowe, Jonny Venters was typically dominant with a scoreless eighth. 

Mets closer Francisco Rodriguez came in to pinch the ninth, and was not sharp. Eric "Big Damage" Hinske lived up to his awesome nickname yet again, and hit a one-out home run to right field, just clearing the fence. The teenage Met fan who caught the ball immediately returned to his seat and started crying. There was no word whether he thought he had reached over the wall to grab the ball or he just realized how awful it is to be a Mets fan.

The Braves weren't done scoring after Hinske's homer gave them a 4-3 lead. Martin Prado doubled, and then the Mets decided to intentionally walk Brian McCann to get to the scalding hot Freddie Freeman. Freeman continued his torrid hitting at the plate, doubling into left field, scoring Prado and McCann to give Atlanta a 6-3 lead. For the game, Freeman went 3-5 with two doubles and two rbi's. 

Craig Kimbrel slammed the door in the bottom of the ninth inning, earning his 17th save on the season. That 17th save gave Kimbrel the National League rookie record for saves before the all-star break.

Derek Lowe threw six innings of decent ball, giving up seven hits and three runs while striking out one and walking one.

WP:

Jonny Venters (4-0)

LP: 

Francisco Rodriguez (1-2)

Save

Craig Kimbrel (17)

Up next: 

Jair Jurrjens faces Dillon Gee in game two of the series tomorrow night.

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"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Braves win.
Phillies lose.
Marlins lose.

I’d like more days like this, please.

by Braves24 on Jun 3, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And let’s add another:

Natinals lose too.

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by NCChopper on Jun 4, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

"If you go out to a bar, pick up a chick, take her home, but can't close the deal, we used to call that "Calling Dan Kolb in for relief."-Talking Head

by SCrebel10 on Jun 3, 2011 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail..

"If you go out to a bar, pick up a chick, take her home, but can't close the deal, we used to call that "Calling Dan Kolb in for relief."-Talking Head

by SCrebel10 on Jun 3, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Get well soon, Schafer
2. Chipper!
3. Hinske!
4. Freeman is gunning for ROY
5. So is Kimbrel. 17 saves is a rookie record for the first half.

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by ATLandUNC on Jun 3, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually its just a national league record. Papelbon holds the major league rookie record at 26.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only 10 more to go!

I think he’s got an excellent shot to pull that off if our offense can get on a roll.

by Aaron Meier on Jun 4, 2011 3:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what's the rookie record for an entire season? anyone know?

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by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 4, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's do Check 2 on Saturday :-)

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

RBIs tonight. Good to see it involving several.

Mather
Chipper
Gonzalez (honorary mention)
Hinske
Freeman

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by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I love me some Big Damage.

Although I wish he had hit his homer a few rows deeper so Ben Duronio could have caught it.

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by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Saw his reaction

on the replay. It was awesome.

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by SCrebel10 on Jun 3, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's not his Twitter avatar

in the next 24 hours, something is wrong.

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by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was he right there?

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by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a couple rows up,

he’s the guy with the Braves shirt and hat with his hands up in the air. Great reaction.

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by Jacob Peterson on Jun 3, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sooo close haha. If you see it as it’s landing I’m waiting to catch it haha. Too bad.

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by BenDuronio on Jun 4, 2011 7:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Annnd Chipper lives up to the billing

Named his son Shea for his historic dominance over the Mets… continued that trend tonight with the tape measure bomb. Announcers said during the broadcast that no one has hit a ball that far yet in Citi Field

by SpinnerJ13 on Jun 3, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

FanShot said X-Rays and CT Scan – and they will have word tomorrow.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

DOB says

at least a broken nose, CT results not known yet. If it’s just the broken nose, he got lucky, and he should be fine relatively soon.

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by Jacob Peterson on Jun 4, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any kind of broken nose or part on his face shouldn’t delay him too much from playing, as he doesn’t use those things to play ball.

"What are you doing, putting the tying run on first base? This is baseball, not backgammon!" -Walter Matheau, The Bad News Bears

by ChopMaster on Jun 4, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

just Broken nose

would be great. He could play tomorrow.

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by BravosFanatic on Jun 4, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll bet he will have one nasty bruise.
Poor guy.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 4, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

So how far is Kimbrel from the rookie saves record before the break?

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

he just tied it..

I pray to Jason Heyward every night

by JasonHeywardisGod on Jun 3, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per the write up above...
That 17th save gave Kimbrel the National League rookie record for saves before the all-star break.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He broke the record.

Twitter: @TAlmeyda

by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 3, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Folks

There is another league in Baseball and there was some guy named Jonathan Papelbon who holds the record.

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the major league record. We’re talking about the rookie record.

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by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 3, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the NL rookie record

Twitter: @TAlmeyda

by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 3, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

but drum was asking about mlb rookie record

how can u say thats what he was talking about when he asked the question lol

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by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t specify that he was referring to the MLB rookie record.

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by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 3, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he didnt specify that it wasn't

:P

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know that, but you weren’t specific as to which league. Hence, the confusion.

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by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 3, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per write up of the game on MLB.com

Braves: Kimbrel ties National League rookie record
The Braves knew rookie closer Craig Kimbrel would provide an immediate impact. Already the right-hander has established a new club record for most saves in the first half of a season, but on Wednesday he tied the National League record for most saves by a rookie before the All-Star break. Kimbrel’s 16th save tied former Dodgers closer Yhency Brazoban, who saved 16 games before the break in 2005. Jonathan Papelbon holds the Major League rookie record — he converted 26 first-half saves in 2006.

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by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

jesus thats a lot

i guess if kimbrel gets 10 save opps over the next 30 games and converts 9 of them he will tie it :P

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not totally undoable.

It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.

by thenightstallion on Jun 3, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not at all

i dont think 16 save opps is out of the question

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not out of the question

considering our offense doesn’t lead many games by more than 3 runs

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUT, that says 16 and the Braves site and here say 17 saves.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

NL record is 16, (now 17) and MLB record is 26

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that write up was a game old.
THIS is tonight’s:

Following Hinske’s homer, Freddie Freeman’s two-run double in the ninth provided a three-run cushion for Craig Kimbrel, who tossed a scoreless bottom of the ninth to record his 17th save. The 23-year-old closer now holds the record for the most saves by a National League rookie before the All-Star break.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to go on record (get it)

as saying that this is the stupidest record I’ve ever heard people talk seriously about like it’s at all noteworthy. Even if you discount the stupidity of saves, you’ve got 3 modifiers on this “record”:
  - NL
  - Rookie
  - before the All-Star Break

How many NL rookies have even been given significant save opps before the break? 5 or 6? Come on, the guy who used to hold the record was Yhency Brazoban! I love me some junk stats, but that’s not even junky, it’s just misleading.

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by Jacob Peterson on Jun 4, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's baseball

We count verything… (Bull Durham, I think?)

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by adc62 on Jun 4, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

But...but...the folks here at TC reeeally love their junk. ;-)

Plus.. we can’t let the book go to waste.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 4, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing = we're doing this without Heyward in the lineup.

If he can come back healthy and productive – it will only get better.

I am so happy for Freeman.
He seems to be seeing the ball well right now and rarely has a poor at bat.

"In the happy moments, praise God. In the difficult moments, seek God. In the quiet moments, trust God. In every moment, thank God." - Robert A. Wood

by NCChopper on Jun 3, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

If Uggla just starts hitting.

As in, hitting at all, even a little bit, we’re going to be dangerous.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 3, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Kidding

.240/.310/.400 form this on out would make a big difference, that is not asking for much.

by vikedawg on Jun 3, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would be pissed

if he ended the season with that line.

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

have you seen his numbers?

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the numbers on his contract!?!?!?

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

but for him to put up the line youd be pissed at

it’d mean he hit really really well since now.

are they ideal numbers? No

but would i take it after this start? Yes

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be clear

I meant that hitting the above slash for the rest of the season would be helpful, ending up there would be incredible.

by vikedawg on Jun 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I was pissed when we traded for him.

by vikedawg on Jun 3, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

That too, that really pissed me off, but it was inevitable after the trade.

by vikedawg on Jun 3, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

we could have done a one year rental.

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could have

but I think everyone knew that an extension was coming after the trade. The braves never really do deals like that in the off season, I can’t recall any.

by vikedawg on Jun 3, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

we traded

a utility player and a reliever. we would have done fine with him for one year

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I didn’t have a problem with the trade value, and would have been happy to let him play out his contract.

by vikedawg on Jun 4, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

GAH!

I had blacked that out, damn you. Years of hypno-therapy down the drain…

by vikedawg on Jun 4, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because we gave up so much?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Because I knew as soon as we traded for him he was getting an extension, thought the trade was more than fair for the Braves.

by vikedawg on Jun 4, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering thats like 70 points from where he is now

I might throw an absolute party

It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.

by thenightstallion on Jun 3, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well go ahead and be pissed because if he does that from the point we are at right now I’d be very pleasantly surprised. That would mean he was exceeding career numbers from here on.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’d be extremely lucky to get that good of a line by the end at this point.

by Ultada on Jun 3, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A normal Heyward and Uggla hitting half his norms

would make this team very, very scary

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

lets make it happen

by dank7 on Jun 4, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely OT

but SF’s GM is a classless bum

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by SouthernPanther on Jun 3, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yea

i dont know whats going on with these MLB FO people this year

by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i grabbed him in fantasy and actually started paying attention to him. i really really like him. seems like an absolutely spectacular teammate. would love to have him in Atlanta

"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice

by SouthernPanther on Jun 3, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s not promote team chemistry for the Marlins…I read the article and I now take the Marlins more seriously. Call me old school, but a family is developing there, and that is at least as important as payroll and something that will keep the Marlins contending well after talent level disparity makes it improbable.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reading what people are saying/commenting in response to this doesn’t give me faith in humanity at large.

Yes, it’s absolutely an issue that i think needs addressing-the collisions at homeplate which just are not really significant in the game. Baseball is totally a non contact sport, where only violence involved anywhere involves a bat vs. a ball. It used to be “part of the game” to slide in spikes up and make the second baseman pay for turning the double play. Why does it still need to be “part of the game” to have elements of bloodsport at the plate? According to the rules, blocking a basepath is illegal, and yet it’s somehow a grand tradition to have big time athletes generating massive collisions because they’ve allowed blocking of basepaths. It’s not what baseball is about just because guys were doing it 40 years ago. Plenty of you say you don’t want to change it, but I know a TON of Braves fans who were utterly outraged by this:

Johnny Estrada was never the same after that.

That doesn’t mean anything about Cousins. He’s been coached and trained and had it ingrained with the current rulebook and interpretation. Marlins fans would hate him if he’d pansied out and tried to avoid a collision and been tagged out. As he had the play developing in front of him, he saw that the throw would beat him and he thought Posey would field it, so he made a split second decision to try and dislodge the ball from a man who was blocking most of the plate. Any fan in the league would want a player on his team to make the same move.

When Brian Sabean is attacking Cousins, he’s not just announcing that Cousins is going to be thrown at. He’s stirring up the hatred of Giants fans when an executive in his position needs to mediate, to try to cool the fires off. He can lobby for a rule change, he can cry about how he feels about losing his catcher, but he really needs to be the bigger man here and not single out a player who was just trying to win a game in extra innings without malicious intent. It says something that shortly after Sabean made that radio interview, Cousins began receiving death threats. It would be one thing if he announced that there would be a response if this was immediately after the game, and they were going to play the Marlins the following night. But he knows well that they don’t see the Marlins again until August, and it’s just giving fans a long to simmer in anger at him-all he’s doing is feeding that. It’s irresponsible for an MLB executive. The Tigers GM might as well have said he wanted someone to hit Jim Joyce with a car following his famous blown call-people were already angry about something that neither malicious nor heinous.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what's next?

Should we make all outfielders wear helmets and pads in case they collide with the wall or each other? Tell Nate McClouth that baseball is “totally a non-contact sport.” Or Carlos Lee, or Shane Victorino, etc etc. Obviously these cases are the result of accidental contact, but the point is that they aren’t playing ping-pong out there. Contact is going to happen, and with contact comes injury.

by Aaron Meier on Jun 4, 2011 3:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You’re being a bit obtuse, here. When outfielders run into each other, that’s absolutely NOT what is supposed to happen and guys go well out of their way to avoid it. In plays at the plate, guys are absolutely looking to plow into the catcher every single time because they have the potential benefit of nailing the guy so hard that he drops the ball and they’re rule safe. There are already measures in place to try to stop outfielders from crushing each other-namely, the practice of calling for the ball, plus guys are coached on things like how to check the wall when they’re running to make a catch.

Your slippery slope argument is fairly irrelevant and nonsensical. I’m only asking that we get rid of something that the MLB rulebook itself seems to suggest is illegal.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not making the argument that the existing rules about interference shouldn’t be enforced. I’m merely stating that if new rules are created through knee-jerk reactions every time a player gets injured, as so many people are cling for right now, the game will suffer. Injuries happen, these athletes understand that when they sign up. Even Ray Fosse agrees that a rule change in this scenario is a bad idea. “The game has been around more than 100 years, and now they’re going to start protecting catchers? I can’t see anything that can be changed. In high school, you can’t run over a catcher. But that’s high school. This is professional baseball. The idea is to score runs. If the catcher has the ball and he’s standing there, the runner has to stop? Is that the protection? I can’t believe anything can be done, and I don’t see how you could regulate something like that.”

by Aaron Meier on Jun 4, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And as far as the “slippery slope” argument being “irrelevant” and “nonsensical”, take a look at the NFL. To me, all of the rule changes and additional scrutiny that have been introduced to the game over the past few years have made the games all but unwatchable. You can’t regulate a sport as if it is being played in a labratory and expect it to remain entertaining or even meaningful.

by Aaron Meier on Jun 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess if you’re looking for bloodsport, where you’re happy to see someone level a hit on a defenseless receiver that breaks his leg and gives him a concussion, then yeah, the NFL would be a bit more unwatchable. Me, I’m a fan of most of the rules they’ve changed in order to protect players. The pendulum has perhaps swung too far in terms of quarterbacks, when you can’t touch a guy without getting a flag thrown, but that’s not the rules themselves as much as it is the overzealous rulings of officials.

And again, they’re regulating things that are supposed to happen-tackles. Contact. It’s a contact sport. There’s nothing in the rulebook that sanctions collisions at home plate in baseball.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a TON of Braves fans who were utterly outraged by this

Was, am, always will be. That son of a bitch ran past the plate, just for the sheer malicious joy of hitting Johnny. He was never made to pay for it and that still pisses me off.

To head off anybody misinterpreting that, I wouldn’t have wanted him hit in the head but he should have been drilled, hard, in the torso or hip. Horacio Ramirez not knowing how to, or not wanting to, do that properly pretty much ended any interest I had in ever seeing him wear a Braves uniform.

Baseball makes occasional tweaks to it’s practices. The standards have changed, just in my lifetime, about how you can slide into second base. You referenced it above. Cornutt’s suggestion yesterday about how they should more strictly enforce the interference rules is a great place to start in that effort. If you bowled over a second or third baseman like this, there would be immediate consequences. Similarly, if you blocked second or third, there would be, as well.

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by Sam Jethroe on Jun 4, 2011 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Count me as one of those fans as well.

I was at this game in the stands behind the plate & I basically couldn’t believe what I saw. Estrada wasn’t blocking the plate & Erstad seemed to go out of his way to bowl into him. You’re right: Johnny was never the same after this incident & that especially sucks considering how well he had been performing. If someone, as a fan, wants to see this kind of garbage, please watch football. This b.s. has no place in baseball.

by bloodgimp on Jun 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a shame

there was story from this year, I think, about how Estrada spent a long time battling the effects of post concussion syndrome. He was a pretty good offensive catcher, at one point, whose career was over by 31.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

without a doubt

he’s an idiot

[only built for cuban linx]

by Mighty Healthy on Jun 3, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. This whole Posey incident has really lessened my opinion of the Giants’ fanbase and organization?

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 3, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Suprisingly, I think a lot of Giants fans don't agree with Sabean at all. Most of what

I’ve read at least, they don’t seem to think Cousins did anything wrong, and that Sabean was out of line.

by Erin6 on Jun 3, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd be embarrased if anyone in our FO said something like that

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by SouthernPanther on Jun 3, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most Giants fans hate Sabean

and rarely agree with them. I don’t have respect for Sabean, i don’t have a problem with Giant fans

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read McCovey Chronicles in the days following the collision? My God, they were acting like Cousins had murdered him. 95% of then were calling for collisions like that to be outlawed. Ridiculous.

Lest we mention the death threats that Cousins has been getting…

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 3, 2011 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I saw some of them saying that the rules should be changed, but most of what I read

over there wasn’t blaming Cousins or villifying him, just the rules.

The death threats are obviously horrible, but I’m not going to condemn a whole fanbase for the actions of some crazy people.

by Erin6 on Jun 3, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, and I think it’s ridiculous for them to whine and cry over that rule.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 3, 2011 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't agree with the rule change, but it's their right to want it.

My point was, even though they want the rule change, they actually didn’t blame Cousins at all, unlike their GM.

by Erin6 on Jun 3, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying.

And yes, the garbage that Sabean has spouted is much worse.

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by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Jun 3, 2011 11:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It really just makes me respect all the catchers who have gotten hurt

in collisions and not once complained about the rules. The reaction to this injury is just beyond over the top.

by Erin6 on Jun 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with changing the rule

I don’t see what collisions like that are accomplishing, and for the time being, our best player, or nearly our best player, is also our catcher. I’m all in favor of protecting him and his career.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I’m still looking for where in the rules it even says that it’s legal. As near as I can tell the rules that govern the bases should apply to home plate as well, and there’s nothing official that provides any exception.

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by Lennox on Jun 4, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. There’s nothing except some hard-core tradition and the willful discretion of umpires who allow this to come into play. Either a catcher has the ball when he makes the tag, in which case the runner should be out regardless if he dislodges it with a collision, or the catcher is blocking the plate before he has the ball, in which case it’s interference and the runner should be awarded the base (and the run).

Begin calling the rule the way it’s written, and the collisions will stop. Guys will not just slam into each other with no upside.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they had their way it would be illegal to spike another player! Don’t change the game!!!

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by Lennox on Jun 4, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because this topic hasn’t been discussed nearly enough on here.

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by NCChopper on Jun 4, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 3, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must

be all the green cheese

by vikedawg on Jun 3, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The boo’s make it even better.

by BeatTehMets on Jun 4, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

its not a typo

study your TC history.

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by 15ks on Jun 4, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why you are official TC historian then I suppose.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

just sayin

it was funny to me, because it started with rick ankiel of all people

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by 15ks on Jun 5, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, man.

That kind of spoils the funny. Oh well, can’t have the laughter back.

by Bubdylan on Jun 4, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Typos aside, how long was it exactly? I never heard…

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

was no one here last year?

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by 15ks on Jun 4, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get the reference, I was just trying to segway into a real question.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The original bit is from a “typo” right? Not a freudian “cock slip” but a well-intentioned typo.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you mean… “clock slip” ?

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by NCChopper on Jun 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't decide, so I'm going with both
how long was it exactly?

That’s rather a personal question, isn’t it? (apres Monty Python)

how long was it exactly? I never heard…

It hasn’t landed yet.

"They’ve always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right".- L.W. Jones on his Gothamite friends.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 4, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I was certain that it wouldn’t take very long to measure. You are no biggus dickus.

Are you sure on the landing bit? I’m sure I saw a primitive primate hold aloft the chipper ball as if it was a usable human soul. And I’m sure I saw another drunk fellow fall on his ass (which I think should be some kind of domino effect bonus for the visiting team)

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That ball winding up with a guy with a Muts shirt on was a bit of a pill to swallow.

"They’ve always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right".- L.W. Jones on his Gothamite friends.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 4, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way to keep the Moonshits alive, my friend.

by Fatvirus on Jun 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

and stay thirsty.

by fandave on Jun 4, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

dayum

Schafer is looking good and he gets injured. Deja Vu all over again.

by HeyMikey on Jun 3, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

He also had a problem hitting the fastball. Still does.

by BeatTehMets on Jun 4, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I think we can put the foul ball off the face in an anomaly column. Bad form perhaps but still a very unusual occurrence.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

They say that in every ball game, if you watch closely enough, you’ll see something you never saw before. I’ve been watching baseball for a long time, and a foul ball hitting the batter in the face is definitely a first for me.

by Cornutt on Jun 4, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes fail

It’s the Baseball equivalent of 3 free plates of King Crab legs.

The Mets fan kid kicking himself over and over after catching Ske’s homer was also hysterical.

A good night, all around.

"Part of me wants to give him this huge hug, and part of me wants to kick him in the groin because he made it look so easy." - David Ross, commenting on McCann's two homer game.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 3, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

mmmm

i love crab legs so freaking much

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by SouthernPanther on Jun 4, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

But the anguish of a Mets fan is just as tasty and much more filling.

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

What;s a dillon gee?

GET TO THE CHOPPAH

I don't know about the guy(s) upstairs, but I do believe in Welsh Jesus

VICK-VICK-VICK-VICKTORIOUS

by NJoverNY on Jun 4, 2011 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

A country music rapper. The Notorious Dillon G!

by Cornutt on Jun 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hinske is making a solid case for offensive MVP in the first half (for the Braves, of course). Has anyone been consistently better?

As we speak, Venters is the best reliever in the game. Prove me otherwise, and I don’t want to hear about Mariano Rivera anymore (although the Rivera/Wetteland combo sort of reminds me of Venters/Kimbrel).

by ryantex on Jun 4, 2011 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously though, anyone know how long that Chipper blast went?

by GumpBrave on Jun 4, 2011 4:02 AM EDT reply actions  

This game was fun

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by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 4, 2011 5:29 AM EDT reply actions  

good lord, someone teach these guys how to bunt.

And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT

by Sparhawk on Jun 4, 2011 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

He can bunt

its it just that the faastball ran in on the handle of the bat. What are you supposed to do from there

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by BravosFanatic on Jun 4, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like Schafer was trying to pull the bat back

I <3 RUNZ

by JHey1212 on Jun 4, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad

That Hinske has 3rd most number of HR on the team… sigh…

"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann

by HansonManCrush on Jun 4, 2011 8:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not too sad

He’s actually tied for 4th. Prado has 8, Heyward and Uggla both have 7, McCann and Hinske both have 6.

And I’m definitely not sad that Hinske has 6 HRs in 107 ABs.

by AtlantaBaseball on Jun 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So….

Kimbrel or Freeman for ROY?

by Fatvirus on Jun 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Freeman. Everyday play > bullpen. Krimbrel’s numbers are impressive, though.

by Grantdawg on Jun 4, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Beachy is back soon and pitching well, he might be better. He hasn’t missed too much time.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Hittracker.com

Chipper’s HR only went 412 feet. I’m calling BS.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Way more than 412. Hittracker.com is run by Mets fans, from what I understand.

by ryantex on Jun 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems about right.

It would have gone farther if not for the fact that it hit the seats at the apex of it’s flight because it was so high up.

by swainzy on Jun 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

AJ's mammoth homer in Philly

Was similarly shortchanged.

"They’ve always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right".- L.W. Jones on his Gothamite friends.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 4, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freeman

I missed the game last night, but I was looking through the replays and I saw Freeman hit a double in the 9th then go to third and get thrown out, it looked like he was almost letting himself get thrown out. Does anyone know why? My first instinct was that Freeman wanted to give Kimbrel a save opportunity.

I <3 RUNZ

by JHey1212 on Jun 4, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt seriously that Krimbel’s stats entered into it. I imagine they thought he could beat the cut-off.

by Grantdawg on Jun 4, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume both Freddie and Brian Snitker thought that Reyes would try to throw home after he caught the relay throw, but he bobbled it and decided to hold on to the ball, making Freddie an easy out at third.

by swainzy on Jun 4, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was drawing the throw

To allow the second run to score. You see guys do that a lot by proceeding to second. It happens much less frequently at third.

"They’ve always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right".- L.W. Jones on his Gothamite friends.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 4, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, I couldn’t see it in the replay

I <3 RUNZ

by JHey1212 on Jun 4, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No prob

Happy to assist.

"They’ve always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right".- L.W. Jones on his Gothamite friends.

by Sam Jethroe on Jun 5, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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