Braves Offense, Jonny Venters Struggle In a 4-1 Loss To San Diego
by SCrebel10 on Jun 26, 2011 7:48 PM EDT
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PrintAfter pounding out ten runs and twelve hits in Saturday's game, the Braves offense came crashing back to earth in the series finale as they mustered only one run and two hits.
Padres starter Cory Luebke was fantastic in his first start of the year. He only threw five innings and didn't factor into the decision, but he dominated Atlanta's lineup. Luebke struck out the side in the first inning on ten pitches, and struck out six total. He gave up only one hit and walked two in what was an impressive first start in 2011.
Tim Hudson wasn't nearly as sharp, but like Jair Jurrjens last night, managed to work his way out of trouble. Hudson allowed six hits and walked three, but struck out eight in six scoreless innings of work.
All of the scoring for both teams happened in the eighth inning. Atlanta struck first as Nate McLouth drew a one-out walk from Padres reliever Mike Adams. Eric Hinske then grounded to second base, but beat the throw to first on the attempted double play. Jordan Schafer followed with a double to right field that Will Venable bobbled as he attempted to make a throw. The double scored Hinske and gave Atlanta a short lived 1-0 lead.
The Braves called in Jonny Venters to pitch the bottom of the eighth, and he wasn't up to the task. Venters walked Chris Denorfia to start the inning. Cameron Maybin hit a chopper to the right of the mound, and Venters was too slow getting the ball to first base, allowing Maybin to reach and moving Denorfia to second.
Rob Johnson advanced the runners to second and third on a sacrifice bunt. The Braves loaded the bases on an intentional walk to Jesus Guzman for Will Venable, who popped a bunt up to Venters for the first out.
Venters reached out and deflected a groundball from Bartlett on the next play that would have gone right to Alex Gonzalez and end the inning. Instead, Bartlett reached on the play and Denorfia scored from third to tie the game at one. Back-to-back singles from Orlando Hudson and Chase Headley brought in Maybin, Guzman, and Bartlett to give San Diego a 4-1 lead.
Heath Bell came in and closed the game out for his 20th save of the season. Mike Adams earned the win.
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I really do hate that man
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by abraves257 on Jun 26, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
I love how it keeps repeating for emphasis.
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by GouldisGold on Jun 26, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he is dragging our team down by the Offense...
apparently he doesn’t understand what the letters OBP stand for…or he doesn’t know how to teach plate discipline or correct a swing. So what the hell is he still here for…because he is “on time, and prepared everyday”.
I never though I would say this, but at this point I would love TP to come back and be our hitting coach.
by Santaklose11 on Jun 26, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The offense did good to score a run against one of the better relievers out there, and one run is often good enough with this bullpen. Venters just crapped the bed today.
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Hard to ignore the first 7 innings though. Only 2 hits for the game isn’t going to cut it.
"If you go out to a bar, pick up a chick, take her home, but can't close the deal, we used to call that "Calling Dan Kolb in for relief."-Talking Head
silver lining
I know everyone seems to have a “holy” bat, since they’re, y’know, full of holes…
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Next week's Sunday School segment:
Jonny Venters in “How to turn a bunch of dribblers into a huge rally”
- or -
“Why the blue hell am I pitching again today?”
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
At least True Blood premiers tonight.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
True Blood really, really, really sucks
As do 99% of things involving vampires.
Just watch the first(and only) two seasons of Party Down instead.
by Undocorkscrew on Jun 26, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You are off your rocker. True Blood is awesome.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly wish they would DL Venters and let him rest until after the All Star break. Fredo has killed him.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Let the second guessing begin...
Who else would anyone have put out there in the 8th inning?
The second guessing that's not second guessing....
JV did NOT need to pitch YESTERDAY when we were already up 6-1
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He had over a day’s rest yesterday…it had no bearing on today’s effectiveness. He was on a ridiculous pace and now he’s a little bit back towards the pack…
it had no bearing on today’s effectiveness
And you know this…how exactly?
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Too many, apparently.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
And almost always been worse the second day…
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Amazing...
Even when JV screws up from a ridiculously unsustainable pace…somehow its still Fredi’s fault…
I'm usually the last person to get on Fredi's case.
But you JUST called in an UNSUSTAINABLE PACE… maybe we should be avoiding paces that can’t be sustained by keeping him out of low leverage situations?
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Did getting used 2 consecutive days...
lead to his casual play on the swinging single? Or not see the man on 1st he could have doubled up?
I didn't say anything about that.
I just said that someone as good as him and as tired as him shouldn’t have been used in a situation where we had a game well in hand up five runs… hence making him more tired. Do you really disagree with that or are you just trying to argue for the sake of arguing?
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"He had over a day’s rest yesterday…it had no bearing on today’s effectiveness."
That’s just not how bullpens on normal teams work… How on earth would you know that? Back-to-back days ABSOLUTELY has an impact on effectiveness, DOB’s tweeted about how ridiculous JV is on a day’s rest vs not ona day’s rest before.
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Because if someone pitches one day their arm is more tired the next.
High leverage relievers like JV should not be used in low leverage situations like he was yesterday unless they haven’t pitched in a LONG time and need to stay warm or something… which was absolutely not the case.
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Just face facts
Your speculation is no more valid than the rest of ours. It only comes up because you insist on calling every example of questioning anything that happened in the game “second guessing.”
In case you hadn’t noticed, that’s the very nature of the comments section of this place and others like it.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
I realize that...
the problem is that far too many manifest the frustrations built up in threads like this into their own conventional wisdom…
And it’s that I fear…
Everyone has opinions
We come here to hash them out. You and people like you question the very existence of analysis. You seem to think we all should just accept everything as it is and not ask questions.
That’s a very Zen attitude and if it works for you, you have my salute but don’t come in here and tell us all to shut up or that we’re inherently full of shit for just writing our opinions.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Just presenting an opposing viewpoint...
That is still allowed right? (or is it not when everybody is pulling out their usual punching bags?)
Dude
You’re the one who is constantly in here mislabeling any questioning of anything anyone on the team does as “second guessing”
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Before this escalates on both our ends...
I’ll bow out. I tend not to freak about a loss because I know we’ll win a few we have no business winning (the extra inning against the Mets rings a bell) and that even the best teams will lose 65-75 games a year. Ces la vie…
Hopefully, the offense builds up a big enough lead tomorrow that he doesn’t need to be used.
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And just how big would that be, exactly?
Apparently, 5 runs isn’t big enough…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think McDowell needs to learn to say “No” when Fredi tells him to get Johnny up.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither is however many we were up in that one game last year
That I’ve mostly blocked out of my memory.
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SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
:/ :D
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Although, we had a game or two of our own like that – a certain walk off Grand Slam comes to mind…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
we had a 5 run lead…Venters needs every bit of rest possible. It was just a waste. He leads relievers in IP, it’s not like he desperately needed work.
I would have had McLouth steal 2B, I would not have walked Guzman to get to Venable (thankfully, the Padres were dumber than Fredi by having Venable attempt a bunt).
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he has been great but...
Venters let the team down today. He didn’t let them down by giving up the runs but by not giving it his all on the Maybin “hit”;Venters than just compounded it with the deflection and other hits. Once again I’m not trying to hate on him, and yes he has been used too much, but that Maybin thing was just a mistake you can’t afford to make and hopefully it never happens again.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Jun 26, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
I absolutely understand him taking the loss....
….but my Yahoo fantasy team has him listed as taking the loss AND blowing a save. Now, I’m not the brightest light bulb in the knife drawer, but how can one blow a save opportunity in the eighth inning on the road? Also, I’m still trying to figure out how that inning left him with a 54.00 ERA for the game.
Any time you give up an inherited lead
It’s a blown save. I’ve seen guys come back the next inning and do it again.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
This loss is on Fredi.
Not that is wasn’t partially Venters’ fault, but Fredi has been using him way too much. He should have known this day was coming.
"Sports is human life in microcosm."
Howard Cosell
Let’s be honest. Nothing was too wrong with Venters in terms of pitching. He walked a guy, which he does occasionally. He failed to field a dribbler quickly, and then he tried to field a ball when Alex would’ve played it anyway. Meh.
We’ve been winning games like this when we bat like crap all season, so that we didn’t win this one didn’t bug me.
And I’ve given up on the Bobby Cox focus on winning series with this team because the Jekyll-and-Hyde offense smooths out over a 10-game stretch, not over a 3-game stretch.
A Venters blowup was pretty much bound to happen eventually. It highlights the need to get another quality arm for the bullpen for the second half along with a bat that can actually hit LHP. I hope Wren has a plan. We’re going to need more than Ankiel & Farnsworth this year.
We don’t need another quality arm in the pen. We have 4 or 5 right now, with a couple more down at AAA and at least one coming off the DL in August.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Venters, Kimbrel, O’Flathery, and Linebrink have been extremely overworked this year. Counting on career innings pitched from 4 guys is not smart. Proctor is not a quality arm and it would be very risky to put all the eggs in the basket counting on Moylan to be effective right when he comes off the dl. Bullpen is certainly a need. I’m not saying break the bank but people who thinks its fine haven’t looked closely at how much the bullpen has been worked this year.
Do you think having another arm in the pen is going to keep those guys from being over-worked?
You just named 4 guys – out of what, 6 in the ’pen?
In other words, Fredi is using our pen way too much.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well our pen is getting used too much because our offense is terrible, but yes another reliable arm to spread the innings out on would naturally reduce the workload on the rest.
If we had another reliable arm, do you think he would pitch over Venters, EOF, or Kimbrel?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He won’t be back for another couple weeks. We need a guy right now, because our bullpen is being overworked.
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We have guys. Our BP is being over worked due to terrible management, not a lack of quality arms.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t saying we don’t have quality arms, but when you over work all of your quality arms then you need someone else to help.
We have an abundance of quality arms, and they are all being over-worked – not as a result of a lack of quality arms, but rather, as a result of Fredi Gonzalez.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But I don’t understand how it’s possible
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It’s what I was talking about in the game thread last night – we have some of the best SPs in terms of going deep into games, and yet, we have the RP with the most appearances.
It’s because Fredi makes stupid matchup-moves and blows through 2 and sometimes 3 RPs in the 6th and 7th innings.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Does pitching to 1/2 batters really do that much?
I guess you have to warm up too but… that can’t be the reason for serious overuse…
I feel like the reason for serious overuse is unwillingness to use low level relievers in low leverage situations… like… yesterday.
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That’s part of it too.
I’ve heard people talk about how it’s not necessarily the number of innings, appearances or pitches, but rather, the high-intensity pitches that wear guys out.
It’s safe to say that he runs through the BP in high-leverage situations.
The Tim Hudson 8 2/3 IP game comes to mind. Really? Fredi is going to take Tim out with 1 out to go and just 1 runner on in a 2-run game?
His management is ridiculous.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbrel, Venters, Sherrill, Linebrink, Martinez, EOF – MLB
Gearin, Teheran, Delgado, Kawakami – MiLB
Moylan, Medlen, Marek – DL
Seriously, we have plenty of arms for the BP.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Venters, Kimbrel, Linebrink, EOF – Horribly Overworked
Sherrill – Specialist that they obviously don’t feel comfortable using often
Martinez – Long inning relief that is rarely used when the game is tight unless he is the last option.
Gearin – Should be up over Proctor but hasn’t happened for some reason.
Moylan, Medlen, Marek – DL and can’t be counted on to come back to full effectiveness by the end of the season.
Teheran, Delgado – Not happening until Sept callups and who knows how they will be in relief.
Kawakami – LOL HAHA hope you were joking because a random fan would get used before him.
Again look at the list. We could use another quality arm in our extremely overworked bullpen.
I swear, this is like talking to a brick wall.
You listed 4 RPs as “Horribly overworked”. That is NOT because of a lack of options. You listed 3 guys who you yourself said should pitch more. We don’t need more arms. We need better BP management.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And what are you talking about – they don’t use Sherrill?
He’s pitched in 29 games for 19.2 innings.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well not using as often or as long as the other 4 overworked guys, but yes you just helped proved the point that even Sherrill has been worked a lot. So we have 5 guys in the bullpen that have been worked heavily and you still think we shouldn’t get someone else to help out? Do you think using Proctor in more high leverage situation would be good BP management?
So, I guess when Prado comes back from the DL, we move Jordan back to AAA, but then, in order to get that extra BP arm, we send another position player back to AAA.
Otherwise, there is no room. It’s not a lack of arms that is causing the over-use. How can you not understand this?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Our bullpen has made 245 appearances, second only to the Marlins and pitched 251.1 innings, 3rd overall. Our starters have pitched 465 innings, good for 18th overall.
If there seems to be any reason that our BP is overworked (other than poor management of course) it is because our SP is not going deep into games.
Once the original rotation is back, I expect the staff to go deeper into games. Otherwise, your argument should not be for another quality BP arm to save the pen, but a quality starter.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Over-Worked Bull Pen
Johnny Venters leads all MLB RPs with 48.1 IPs
Craig Kimbrel has 38.
Martinez has 35.2
EOF has 34.2
Linebrink has 31.1
Unless you want to go with a 8 or 9 man BP, there is no room to add more arms. Fredi is going to continue to use the same RPs, regardless of the game situation, and regardless of the amount of work that they have done and regardless of who else he has in the pen.
Adding another quality arm is not only necessary, it’s not even feasible. Who’s place would they take? Maybe Proctor, but we have guys in AAA right now that could take his spot, but the FO is not doing it. That should tell us that the FO wants Proctor in the pen.
Everyone else, I would argue, IS a quality arm, and short of paying top dollar in either money or prospects, it is not possible to bring in anyone better. Our guys are very, very, very good and very deep.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know what happens when arms are overworked? They become less effective or get injured. You are projecting all these pitchers to maintain their quality at this pace while the opposite will almost certainly happen. You have to project what you will need not look at how well the bullpen is doing atm. If we stand pat our bullpen is very likely to break down and we’d be praying for moylan/medlen to save our bacon.
Do you know what happens when arms are overworked? They become less effective or get injured.
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You just don’t get it, do you?
Nearly the ENTIRE BP is “over worked”. Bringing in another guy is not going to change how Fredi manages his bullpen.
We have some quality arms that are NOT being used. Bringing in another arm is not going to keep Fredi from using Venters.
He pitched Venters with a 5 run lead. A FIVE RUN LEAD! Do I even need to keep going with this?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not coming back this year, I thought?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought PeMo was done for the season, but Meds was coming back?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone tweet him and ask…
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The Atlanta Braves transferred RP Peter Moylan (back) from the 15-day to 60-day disabled list Sunday, May 22. Moylan is recovering from back surgery done last week, and he is not expected to return for at least three months.
2011-05-22 19:00:14 | Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution – David O’Brien
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=715147#ixzz1QQrM0ZoV
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he is going to try hard to be back in August, but he is still a big unknown on how much he will give us this year.
We should use Sherrill more...
He’s been underrated, IMO…
despite the fact that I started off hating him.
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Having Cory back
Rather than Fredi and Wren’s favorite John Cena lookalike would help a bit, too.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
this
Gearrin has looked great in every appearance…even on his blown inning he was unlucky (Texashit). Yet despite his great performances, management just keep sending him down…yet somehow Proctor stays. The Proctologist must have his hand up someone’s ass in the FO.
by Santaklose11 on Jun 26, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
How about Headley and Adams from the Padres? Sorry, I’ll stop rosterbating.
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If I'm reading Baseball-Reference right...
JV is actually pitching better on 0 days rest than 1…
.074 BAA with 0 days rest
.205 with 1 day rest
Am I reading that right?
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Probably coincidence.
I think we can all agree that Fredi needs to go easier on him. And O’Flaherty.
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I'm pretty sure that's right
The last time we played on SNBB, I think that was it, they showed that
yes, but if he keeps pitching on consecutive days, what happened today will happen again.
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Yeah, I'm in agreement there
Just checking to make sure I’m reading the stats correctly.
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He's been solid on consecutive nights.
Like you say, it’s the three or four consecutive nights, or four out of five, that wear on him and limit his effectiveness.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
The numbers don't scare me, his excessive usage does.
He can’t pitch this many innings. When he pitches, I’d prefer he do it when there is some semblance of leverage left.
So is anyone behind my campaign of DHing Mac in Seattle...
and letting Rossy catch 3 straight?
Or mixing and matching them.
Either works for me.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
If one got hurt
The other could go in at catcher. It would just necessitate the pitcher hitting, which would be no big deal, really.
If we had a DH in the National League (which I wish we did), we could give McCann plenty of days off from the grind of catching, like the Twins have historically done for Mauer.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Just no way I see Fredi actually doing this.
Nothing in his usage pattern of David Ross suggests that he would actually use him while Mac is in the game. Ross NEVER pinch hits, despite being basically our best RH bat. The " Oh, no, we might need a back-up catcher in the 16th inning" mentality is a real disservice to the team and to Ross, but it’s very firmly ingrained.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Jun 27, 2011 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I suspect Mac will DH Monday against Bedard so we can get another RH bat in the game w Ross catching
Old Man Jones will likely DH one game to give him some rest, and Tuesday against Pineda would probably be the best time to get Conrad into the game as Pineda throws hard and Brooksy is a good fastball hitter. I’d look for Hinske to likely DH one game as well.
I didn't get to watch the game because Dish network decided not to show it on HD despite the fact that they listed it
so when I DVRed it, it just showed 3 hours of HD “check back later screen”.
From the box score and from what I read, it seems the offense blew this game again because “once again” they could not score for 8 innings.
Jonny Venter’s arm is hanging by a thread and he is bound to be tired….but WTF is wrong with our offense again. I am sorry but at this point Parrish needs to go…his lack of experience is showing. We have a very talented line-up full of career professional hitters 1-7 and even Gonzalez isn’t that bad. There is no way that they would suck this bad for an entire 1/2 season on any other team. Isn’t our team OBP in the bottom 5 in MLB? Yeah, that is the hitting coaches fault…just like our pitching coach is due respect for continuously keeping our pitching staff one of the best in MLB.
I guess I'm glad I didn't get the chance to see the end of this one
All these freaking no name pitchers always seem to get the best of us
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 26, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Ok, time for True Blood!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
Still unbelievable
Props to the Padres on their Pursuit of Irrelevancy
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Not hardly. Luckiest game of their lives. Venters is human. Etc.
David Ross has been sucking, of late. McCann’s presence is always missed, and he has already had a healthy dose of days off. Mac’s bat not being their kills us.
Our hitting (…..crickets…….) is suffering. Hell, at least last season we always had 2 guys on, or bases loaded, when we didn’t score the runs. Now, it’s just hard to watch, at times. Too on and off to work.
I still say we win the wild card when we get Prado back. I’m thinking we still have maybe a 2 game lead there.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
but I think our potential is way higher
something has to get done about this offense, something needs to change…
The wild card is fine, but I think we have the potential to edge the Phils, and if our offense had actually done anything (at all) we would be ahead of them now. Yeah we have had our injuries but so has everyone else.
by Santaklose11 on Jun 26, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe see if Chipper’s dad would seriously consider travelling with the team. Why not? What’s the worse that could happen? We wouldn’t score any runs……..? lol
Let his mom come, too. You know, hang out in the hotel and order room service, or something. It would rock. It would probably even be the spark that we need.
Chipper’s dad.
That’s all I’m saying.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
“…….Blast the Double Dime! Save it for the offseason, after the World Series win…….Hoorah!!!”
- some dude that says this to Chipper’s dad
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Might work LOL
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
We don't have bullpen or management issues
We have offensive issues. I’ve questioned some things Fredi has done this year, and like anyone, it’s frustrating to see our bullpen ever blow a game.
But Fredi, the bullpen, and the entire pitching staff are being put in terrible situations night after night by our inept offense. That’s the entire problem… the players who actually are doing their job on this team have ZERO margin for error. Fredi makes one bad decision or Venters has one bad inning at the very end of the game, and everyone seems to forget about the 20 horrible things our offense did leading up to that. My question in this game wasn’t “Why did Venters have a bad inning?”… It was “Why the hell can a group of professional hitters only manage 2 hits??”
Managers are going to have bad nights, as will relievers… even soon-to-be all stars like Venters. But as long as our batters continue to play like amateurs and rely on our pitchers to carry this team (which they’ve done an amazing job so far), they will ultimately be responsible for losses like this one.
by cheshire falcon on Jun 26, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And 18-20+ million of our supposed payroll is being put to good use, somewhere.
Granted, most of the Padres suck, they have some good guys. DeNorfia owns us. As does Ludwick and Headley. Lol, we should get one of them. Or two. And send the Padres some pretty good pitching.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd trade Uggla for a few of those cool, camouflage Padres jerseys :)
by cheshire falcon on Jun 26, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is totally my opinion, but I believe that if Infante was still playing for the Braves, he would probably be hitting at least .290. If not over .300. Just something about him with the team. He was usually invincible. HUGE Loss, so far. It’s amazing that we’re in 2nd. And unless we want to get passed by the Nationals, we better stop fucking around.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
sir i invite you to set down your crack bowl momentarily
Proud perpetrator of yelling "Money MIke" at Oracle Arena since Dunleavy's trade to the Pacers.
By knows means do I disagree that Venters is overworked, and I hated seeing him pitch Saturday, but it’s pretty silly to blame that on his performance in this game. It’s not like the guy got shelled, he induced his usual grounders for the most part. A reliever giving up runs does not mean that he gave up the runs due to overwork, the guy’s numbers have been unfathomable up to this point.
I think that botched grounder fucked with him. It would have, me.
Somebody has got to tell our pitchers to only go for the ball if it’s right at them. They always deflect it away and botch it, unintentionally of course. But it should stop. Chill.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Every pitcher is going to have a bad day once in a while. I’ll say the same thing I said after Kimbrel’s last meltdown: Go over video to make sure there’s no mechanical problem, give him a bit of rest, and he’ll be fine. As many others have pointed out, the fact that Venters was used unnecessarily in the Saturday game probably played into this.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Question
Does everybody still want Venters to pitch in the All Star game, or rest?
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Answer
Depends on how much he is used from right now til the All Star game.
I wouldn’t say he has been overused, considering his (usual) quick work, and/or, stuff. Everybody has a bad night. Even Johnny. It happens. He’ll get 3 quick outs the next time he comes out (hopefully not tomorrow) and tonight will be quickly forgotten. As will the Padres season.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Venters was lucky to get out of yesterday’s game. He didn’t look too good then.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Nah. Hudson was lucky. Hudson’s hit was a planetary alignment right there. Shouldn’t have happened. Dude couldn’t buy a hit against the Braves 99% of the time.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
(Orlando, lol, not Huddy. Huddy should have WON.)
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 26, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems to mean something to him. And to be honest it would be pretty rare and would continue the tradition of deserving
Braves players getting unconventional spots (Omar Infante.) I really don’t think that an inning in the All-Star gave is going to change the trajectory of his season, especially with 5-6 days of rest surrounding it.
I'm sure it surprised no one here that the Braves struggled against a random lefty
that’s really what lost us the game. I’m confident that Venters will be great next time out although there are definitely been signs lately that his control is slipping a bit (due to being tired?). Now it’s on to Seattle to face some actually pretty good pitchers. In this kind of crazy season, this is probably when our bats would break out.
by LEastCoastBears on Jun 26, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
If our offense didn’t stink, our pitchers wouldn’t have to be damn near perfect for us to win.
by BeatTehMets on Jun 27, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
We couldn't hit
Because they were camouflaged.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me I should shutup, I'd probably have 5 or 6 bucks.
I think Venters just had a normal “off” day. Yeah we could point at the work loaf but there is no way we could have expected him to stay so dominant the whole season.
Also it was perfectly logical for him to be used last night. When he was warming up the team was up 5-1 and Fredi wanted to make sure we won that game. With him already warmed up Fredi just went ahead and put him in the game instead of making someone else do a quick warm up and jump out there.
I see no fault of Fredi’s in this situation. If anything it shows how much we’ve needed another top notch arm in the pen. Someone that can help ease the work load now. Yea Moylan and Medlen should be back soon but that’s at least 6-8 weeks away. By that time his arm might have fallen off.
I hope Wren was talking to the Padres GM while we were there about Mike Adams :-)
by drumzalicious on Jun 27, 2011 2:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree Fredi's not the problem
The players are, they just aren’t that good, aside from the pitching. Chippers a shell of his former self and the rest of the offense, aside from McCann, just isn’t good.
One word is all that is needed in response to this particular post: FAIL.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
In What Way???
You are saying that Chipper Jones, Dan Uggla, Jason Heyward, Brian McCann and Freddie Freeman are not any good. That is ridiculous.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 27, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I just thought of this
If it is Parrish’s fault that guys aren’t hitting and should be fired, it must be McDowell’s fault that JV gave up those runs yesterday and McDowell should be fired.
/sarcasm
Really though, as I have said before, Parrish cant force a guy to listen and he isn’t up there hitting for them. You win some you lose some, and at the end of the season, you hope to have a .550-.600 winning percentage. At this point, I think the best we can hope for is to remain close in the standings til the all-star break. Then the guys get some much needed rest, Fredi reads the “managing pitchers for dummies” book, and we hit the second half on a roll all the way to the W.S.
HeyMikey
our pitching staff may have the occasional hiccup but it is one of the best in MLB in terms of performance. In fact our pitching staff is currently far out-producing expectations.
Our offense on the other hand is far under-perfoming in nearly every category. It is not an occasional hiccup, it is underperforming on a near nightly basis.
The difference is that McDowell teaches a very good philosophy and helps pitchers adjust when they start to fall. Thus normally our pitchers pitch up to potential. The occiasional hiccup is when the pitcher catches a bad break, bad ump, or bad luck (in terms of fielding errors).
Larry Parrish has a horrible hitting philosophy and apparently can’t get through to the hitters in terms of making the right adjustments. That is why our OPB is one of the worst in MLB and our hitters are taking longer to break out of slumps (see Uggla, Dan). It is telling that nearly every braves hitter who listens to Parrish is performing below career levels. No Parrish can’t bat for them but he can teach them better plate discipline and help them with hitting mechanics…but thus far he has been unable to do so.
Thats the difference….
by Santaklose11 on Jun 27, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
it's huddy's fault
he should have hit a 2R HR. :-)
JV is mortal – however it happened it was no worse than innings that any other pitcher has given up, except maybe jj (and only this year). and it’s not like they rocked him or anything. especially not those first two runs.
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