Beachy Strikes Out 11, Braves Complete Sweep Of Jays
by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 22, 2011 4:22 PM EDT
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Brandon Beachy struck out a career-high 11 hitters as the Braves completed a three-game sweep of the Blue Jays with a 5-1 win.
Beachy was making his first start after being sidelined with a strained oblique muscle and looked incredible. He struck out the side in the first inning after giving up a leadoff single to Yunel Escobar and struck out two in each of the next four innings. Beachy really only made one mistake in the game, and Jose Bautista hit it for a solo home run in the third inning, his 22nd of the season.
In support of Beachy, the Braves smacked a couple of home runs of their own. Dan Uggla blasted a two-run homer in the second inning off starter Jo-Jo Reyes and Brian McCann added one in the third. Brooks Conrad smacked a pinch-hit home run in the seventh inning, but only after replays confirmed it; the ball glanced off the top of the outfield wall and struck the wall behind it before bouncing back onto the field.
Bautista robbed Jordan Schafer of what would've been Atlanta's fourth home run of the game immediately after Conrad hit his in the seventh.
Beachy allowed only four hits in six innings and walked two. The bullpen again provided scoreless relief with Linebrink, Venters and Kimbrel throwing one inning each.
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Did Scafer look overmatched at the plate today?
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reyes is a Lefty with a mid 90s fastball...
You don’t need samples or stats to see how well he is handling himself at the dish…
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tonight. I’m not saying he did badly tonight. In fact he looked really good. But first of all, Reyes isn’t that great regardless of “stuff” and that doesn’t outweigh the many times I’ve watched Schafer struggle to hit a mid 90s fastball foul to stay alive. If this is the finished product then I am even that much more confident that we need to make a move.
No
I was commenting on an earlier conversation we were having about how Schafer looked overmatched and struggled just to foul off belt high fastballs.
If he can turn on one from a Lefty…
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The overwhelming majority of the time he has looked overmatched. I’m not sure why you would assume that tonight’s performance outweighs all the others.
If the assumption is what we see is what we'll always get...
No. If you think he has the capacity to improve I feel his past performance is not the best indicator of future performance.
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Under no circumstances would I agree that Schafer has looked “overmatched the overwhelming majority of the time”. He’s had a boatload of very good at bats.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Perhaps the wording was a bit strong, the point I was trying to make is that tonight’s performance doesn’t outweigh the many times that I’ve thought that he seemed out of his depth. This is partly perception but surely I’m not alone. We should all hope our prospects show flashes of brilliance and that is exactly what Schafer has done, but to assume those flashes are the “real Jordan Schafer” seems a little optimistic to me.
To me the ‘real Schafer’ or his true talent level for the bulk of his career should be right about .260/.350/.430 with fluctuating HR numbers between 5-15 and 30-40 SB along with elite level CF defense. In the long run that is a very valuable player but maybe not a Sizemoresque superstar.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
by bbxxj on Jun 22, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds pretty awesome to me. That slash line would be worth a lot from a premium defensive CF. I’m just not sure that I’m seeing that guy yet.
And you probably won’t see that guy this year or even next year, but can he can do that in the future? Absolutely
First month in 2009
.273/.415/.439
Then the injury.
IF (and that’s a big if) he can get back to those numbers he had pre-injury, then he’s a roughly 4-5 WAR centerfielder. AKA a huge asset.
It may not come back until 2012 if at all, but he has shown the occasional glimpse of promise this year.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Post Injury
I saw him in Chattanooga playing AAA. He looked pretty over matched at the plate, roughly a year ago. I watched him several times last August, on CSS, playing AAA. He looked better, but not anything like MLB-ready. I watched him in ST and a couple more CSS AAA games this spring, he seemed to be continueing to improve, but was reaching base primarily on drag bunts and infield hits. Now, he’s hitting the ball a lot more sharply. He seems to be aiming for going the other way a lot. He seems to be getting much better control of the bat and much better contact. I have no clue about “pitches seen” data, but to Johnny Eyeball, he’s making pitchers work. That’s not “over-matched” in my book. That’s a guy on the right path to making it back to MLB.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Jordan is 3rd on the team amongst starters in pitches seen per at-bat. Behind Heyward and Freeman.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
But it has seemed that lots of times fouling the ballw is the best he can hope for on certain pitches. We really shouldn’t weigh it as heavily if he sees a couple of good pitches an AB and is only able to fight them off.
That’s how a lmany players see a lot of pitches. Fight off the really tough pitches and hope for something you can handle.
All I know, like bighop said, his performance level is better than it was last year and better than it was in AAA. He is progressing, slowly.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
not really
His numbers are about the same in AAA and MLB
sigh
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
lol really?
Have you looked at his numbers?
probably not
but forget it…This is a dead end topic with you. I’m tired of the same old bs
Absolutely. I firmly believe that Schafer could be the real deal, but I think we can all agree that he isn’t there yet, and there are few signs that he will get there soon. He has stepped in and helped an injury ravaged outfield, but to assume that he will become the fully actualized ball player that he is capable of so soon just seems unrealistic. I dont think that Schafer is the answer for 2011. I would really love to be wrong though.
I’ve posted repeatedly that an outfield of Heyward, Prado, a trade aquisition and McLouth 4th is a good idea with Schafer in AAA getting AB’s. I think we agree on that.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Absolutely. I’m just making sure that I’m not pidgeon-holed into an anti-Schafer stance. Part of being a prospect is expected growth and I think that Schafer is still a prospect at this point.
I’ve been a vocal supporter of trading for a CF bat.
BUT
As it stands now, the team is 10 games over .500 with several key players under performing or injured. If the Braves luck and performance starts to swing in their direction, I think it might be wise to keep their assets for now and enjoy having an elite defensive CF to compliment the offense.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
The guys we have, if they would perform to their norms, is plenty good enough.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
There’s only 3 positions where I’ve been ok with having an all defense-poor bat player. Catcher, short stop, and centerfield.
I actually think having elite defensive players at SS and CF while piling in the offense elsewhere is one of the better team building techniques, especially when you have the pitching that we do.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
If we deal a stud pitching prospect...
it should be for a young stud LF or SS position player in the offseason…
except for we have struggled with them this year...
i take nothing for granted against crappy teams like the padres
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jun 22, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well
I went to 2 of those games in SD and Ludwick murdered us
Hey, shut up! You're not my real mom ~
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 22, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Feels good to have Beachy back
Mac is a monster.
Games like this make me think Schafer’s power may be on the verge of returning for good
Let’s hope Dan doesn’t follow up this home run game with another 0-14 streak
Jonny Venters is the best pitcher in the world
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Of course it was a day game!!
Welp…good win, I suppose.
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Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on Jun 22, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This game told you Venters was the best pitcher? Not any of the times he dominated? I mean he didn’t let in any runs but his control was a bit wild, nontheless he did a good job.
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
Give it a rest
This isn’t about “most valuable”
I mean statistically and performance-wise the best pitcher in baseball. And no, there is no argument against Venters right now.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
We can put statistics aside. He is incredibly dominant does his job very well. Who else does their job as well as Venters?
The lady that cuts my hair does a pretty good job, but she doesn’t have a 5.45 GO/AO ration.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Venters has a lower ERA, lower WHIP, lower BAA
Just sayin
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
No offense...
But if the Tigers offered Verlander straight up for Venters…I’d take Verlander.
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
Yea he is definitely more valuable, but that doesn’t necessarily make him better. Venters is really good at what he does, the best in fact. and I’ll take Venters over Verlander in inning for inning comparison any day.
Fair enough.
V for Venters!
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
THAT'S FUCKING IT!!!
That’s Jonny Venters symbol!!!
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where have you been?
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
gah, it got cut off
you get the point
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Sorry...
It’s one of my favorite movies EVER and I never put the 2 together. GTs are a pain to read through so I probably have never seen it…
Between Two Ferns is awesome. That is Zach Galifinakis in his element. Despite all the type casting, he is a great comedian. He is like a more intellectually driven Chris Farley to me.
why bring logan into this?
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jun 23, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Love the Wachowski brothers...
I said one of my favorite…not best ever.
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When he comes into the game...I want that symbol on the big screen.
Along with the following quote…
“The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.”
Wagner had his name in fire...
Let Venters have this…
Well now I don’t feel so bad for spending an hour making it, haha.
I’m only a photoshop novice and getting that mask sized right and the hat shadow placed properly was a huge pain in the ass.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Yeah true
But Verlander can be dominate for many more innings than 1
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
Trade value =/= skill level
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Verlander has more skill considering he will throw more than twice as many innings and still does it beyond competently
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
What if Verlander could air it out for only 1 IP at a time...
and run that 100+ mph fastball up there with his 3 other plus pitches?
Give it a rest. Jonny is the best at what he is but you can’t compare the two…
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I see what you did there.
And see… and see… and see…
"Baseball is a game where a curve is an optical illusion, a screwball can be a pitch or a person, stealing is legal and you can spit anywhere you like except in the umpire's eye or on the ball." -Jim Murray
by J-Freak on Jun 23, 2011 1:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Verlanders Career
ERA- 4.43 in 181 1st Innings
Venters
ERA- 1.29 in 129 Innings(mostly 1 inning appearances)
Obviously the question is would Jonnny drop off? He is after all “Everyday”.
Not apples to apples...
Try comparing the 1st innings of Maddux and Glavine while you’re at it. It’s typically when a quality starter is most vulnerable.
I was simply saying that Verlander’s approach is geared toward 6+ IP per outing, which means he’s not throwing his fastball at 100%…maybe only 85%-90%…and that’s still 97-98 mph with movement even in the late innings. If he were to get into a reliever’s routine and pitch 1 IP at 100% he would run a 100-102 mph fastball along with his 3 other plus pitches. Imagine John Smoltz closing, except his fastball is 10% faster…
If the Braves make a trade, I hope they don’t trade Beachy or Minor. I’m really enjoying watching these two pitch.
And it's now my sig
by Bronn on May 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT
I think Minor
is at the top of his value right now. With Delgado and Teheran and Medlen in the wings he is expendable for a big bat. Great trade bait.
Marlins
You Can’t Predict Baseball pointed out the other day that on May 29, the Marlins were ten games above .500, at 29-19. Since then, they’ve gone 4-22. That’s a damn near impossible bad streak in baseball… Bill James always said that, at the beginning of any season, you know in advance that there are 40 games you are going to win no matter what, and 40 games you are going to lose no matter what. If the Marlins kept losing at their current rate, they’d finish 47-115.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Great game
Pitching was very encouraging this series. Great to see Beachy come back strong. Looks like the offense is starting to come around especially Uggla. Nice sweep to put us back to ten games over .500
What’s even better is Hanson is supposed to make his start Tuesday.
by drumzalicious on Jun 22, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yep
Injuries are bad, but its really awesome when players come off the DL and then play without missing a beat which helps gives our team a boost. Hopefully, Chipper can get some rest and Prado can return soon
10 games over .500
We need to shelf the trade talk until after the AS break…
(yes I realize there’s no fun in that)
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m tempted to delete my rosterbation thread……..then I remember Mondays game lol
by drumzalicious on Jun 22, 2011 4:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You mean one of the 300 rosterbation threads? LOL
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Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on Jun 22, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No!
Then people will start rosterbating in public.
In fact, I have a crafty trade idea involving Minor, Larry Parrish, a McCann’s Burger, Matt Kemp, a Dodger Dog, and an all expenses paid cruise to the Bahamas ready to post any minute now.
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
I literally just lol’d in the middle of the airport.
by drumzalicious on Jun 22, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice, but...
you forgot to add Pujols and Reyes.
CEO and Founder of the Hire Bill Cowher for 2012 Bandwagon.
Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on Jun 22, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Our record is 43-33
which is good enough for second best in the NL and fourth best in MLB. If we only maintained the same pace, we would be on track for a 92 win season. (For reference only, we wildcarded into the playoffs in 2010 with a 91-71 final record).
J-Hey willing, we will get healthier and we will be more offensively productive the rest of the way.
And I say there can be little doubt that our pitching staff is going to continue to be dominant.
Earlier this afternoon, I read a piece by Bowman from a few days back wherein Young Jordan was quoted as saying it could be “a very special season.”
I agree! And I’m just about to get really excited about this team! I’m thinking Championship Season again! Who’s with me?
Try and imagine how good this team would be if the offense showed up like it is capable of.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
Yep and I think it is definitely happening. Uggla is frankly just too damn good of a hitter to not do a helluva alot better the rest of the way. J-Hey … ditto. Chipper who is a great winner is going to push the entire team to show up and compete day after day. Freddie is going to get more and more consistent and walk away with a ROY. Hinske and Brooksie are going to continue to win games coming off the bench. Ross is due for more heroics.
I’m serious, we’ve just won 4 in a row and we are about to roll. Mark my words and Watch!
I can see a great 2nd half by this team. If the pen doesn’t die first.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
That's my worry as well
Kimbrel, EOF and Venters are so over-worked that it scares the BeJesus outta me.
CEO and Founder of the Hire Bill Cowher for 2012 Bandwagon.
Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on Jun 22, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i can see our young arms coming up to pitch in relief the way david price did before he broke out as an ace in the rays rotation
by toppleprone on Jun 22, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
These last three games,
our SP actually stayed in the game for a decent period of time.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 23, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Phillies are on a 101 win pace...sustainable?
Discuss…
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you considered the possibility
That you’re in the wrong place and should maybe find another bunch of people who also long to climb up Roy Halliday’s duodenem?
"It’s getting hard to take this team seriously if their front office won’t even take it seriously enough to not let a few idiot coaches run a very talented team straight into the ground.."- Capitol Avenue Club
No, and he shouldn't, because he's right.
They can sustain that pace… they absolutely can.
They probably won’t, but they can.
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They probably won’t, but they can.
That covers most anything that anybody here could posit as a possibility.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
You don’t really think the Phillies winning 101 games is as ridiculous as some of the other things said on here… do you? Because if you do you’re living in some sort of weird land where the Phillies are not the team they’re playing like they are right now.
They’re offense isn’t great, but they’re winning in spite of it at a .600 pace… I see no reason that can’t continue.
What he said was not ridiculous and it wasn’t at all “climbing up Roy Halladay’s (that’s how you actually spell it) duodenum (that’s how you actually spell that).”
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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Maybe his is made of denim?
It wasn’t just that post, it was Phillies this and ‘Doc’ Halliday that, all down the page and I was getting a little sick of it.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
HallAday
And he’s pretty good if you haven’t noticed, but no because he’s a Philly I’m not aloud to like him, nor accept how good he is, shame on me
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
aloud
I believe the word you’re looking for is “allowed.”
Okay, now can we call a halt to all of this spellcheck nitpicking?
I know Halladay is good. I’ve thought that for a good long time but he’s not so superior to everyone else that they need to genuflect at the very mention of his name.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
by Sam Jethroe on Jun 23, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
“I see no reason that can’t continue.” I see one… their bullpen. Take a look at three guys that they’ve been depending on: Bastardo, Stutes, and Kendrick. The difference between their ERAs and their FIPs are, respectively, -1.96, -1.77, and -1.98 respectively. Comparisons to xFIP look even worse (although I will admit to being a bit skeptical of xFIP). Bastardo’s BABIP against is .153. That’s just not sustainable. Now, Bastardo can regress some and still be a very good reliever, but Stutes and Kendrick don’t have that wiggle room. If I were a Phillies fan looking at these numbers, I’d be worried. And perhaps the most damnable stat of all: they’ve let Danys Baez pitch 31.2 innings this year, the most of any of their relievers. His ERA is 3.98 and that’s right where his FIP says it should be. It’s hard to be a division winning team when you have the likes of Baez pitching 60-70 innings a year.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
I think it’s definitely possible. Their rotation is on par with what we had in the mid to late 90’s, and I’m pretty sure we had 3 100+ win seasons in there from ‘97-’99.
Here’s to hoping they flame out in the playoffs like we did during that stretch.
by get swoll yunel on Jun 22, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Their age will catch up to them in the dog days of summer
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Their bullpen will bail them out...
They have prospects to trade…
That rotation isn't as good as what we had in the '90's.
It’s a great rotation, at least on paper, but it’s not the equal of the Big Three.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Oswalt is the weak link. He’s good, but not mid-90s Braves good.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Exactly
I’m not that convinced about Lee, either. He’s had a great couple of seasons in the last few but he looks awfully beatable at times and he’s not a spring chicken. Like most of that team, he’s running from Father Time.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
Unless you’re Julio Franco, we all know who wins that race.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
by ATLandUNC on Jun 22, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maddog in his prime is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time, so even as great as Halladay is, I tend to agree with you there.
Cliff Lee since he’s gotten it together has been brilliant and is slightly better than what Glavine gave you in his best years, IMO. This is certainly debatable. Glavine was remarkable for his longevity and sustained excellence and will obviously end up with the better career.
Smoltzie (when healthy) was superior to Oswalt, no question.
Cole Hamels is better than Denny Neagle ever was and probably better than Millwood in his prime. Advantage Phillies.
It’s close, and you’re probably right that we had the superior rotation. Perhaps I should have said “almost on par”….
by get swoll yunel on Jun 22, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I would still rank Lee behind Glavine. Tom was truly brilliant in his best years (’91, most of ’92, before the rib injury, ’98 and 2000) and definitely has Lee on career.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
In his prime it was like he was pitching in an inferior league.
Like he was from MLB+ but was in MLB for a rehab assignment.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
My favorite ball-player ever. I have an old jersey that I owned when I was 9, and it fits my girlfriend perfectly. You already know that I try to get her to wear it at every opportunity. However, the line is apparently when we are both in Braves apparel. So my dilemma is, should my adorable gf wear my 13 year old jersey or should I wear my McCann Jersey. Breasts tend to win the day.
Sorry, but you're wrong (partially)
Glavine in his prime was better than Lee in his prime, and Lee needs to put together many more seasons to even be mentioned in the same sentence with Glavine. Cole Hamels is good, but ‘on par’ with Avery and Millwood. Better than Neagle? Yes, but Neagle was only with us for a short period.
What Phillies fans fail to recognize is that the Braves rotations will go down as the best in history because of their longevity. We had the best starting rotation for at least 10 years, and they were better than anyone else by a long shot. No one was even close. This year, one could make an argument that our staff matches up with theirs and is pretty equal. That Phillies staff needs about nine more years before they can be compared with our staffs.
It’s funny how sports fans have such short memories. Everyone (especially the media and ESPN) is always wanting to label someone the best ever, while ignoring the past.
by ryantex on Jun 23, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Red'd
You write the truth, with understanding and perspective.
"I went into my trot...the next thing I know, I’m getting thrown out at third on a home run." - Brooks Conrad
by Sam Jethroe on Jun 23, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This year, one could make an argument that our staff matches up with theirs and is pretty equal.
… Which was the entire point of my post.
Settle down with “short memories” nonsense there. The fact that I can recall our mid-to-late 90’s teams should be proof enough that I’m not suffering from short memory. BTW, how many innings did Avery throw for us in the mid-to-late 90’s?
You may want to review the context of the discussion before you start lecturing us on our ignorance.
by get swoll yunel on Jun 23, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You settle down as well
I said you’re PARTIALLY wrong, and here’s why:
“Cole Hamels is better than Denny Neagle ever was and probably better than Millwood in his prime. Advantage Phillies.” and “…and is slightly better than what Glavine gave you in his best years, IMO.”
I won’t reiterate why you’re wrong on those two points, but I will say that I agreed with the rest of your post (hence the word ‘partlally’).
Most of what I posted was directed at the Phillies fans and the media, or anyone else who wants to crown their staff the ‘best ever’ prematurely. There’s no ‘nonsense’ with my acknowledgement that many journalists and sports fans are myopic. It’s a fact. Don’t take my post so personally, as much was not directed at you.
Really enjoyed watching Beachy today. I had wondered if he would be the same guy from earlier in the season. I’m still not sure about that. He might have been better.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
"Don't start a pitcher his first game back off the DL"
Why I continue to listen to fantasy “experts” I have no idea. Great game by Beachy. Great win by the braves.
We'll trade you for Cheryl Tunt. Tome again? Still nothing?
Hindsight…but his injury was batting related. So much for “experts”.
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I definitely went ahead and started him. His rehab start and the nature of his injury made no indication that he would struggle. And we seemed to have a great game plan to handle the Jays hitters, so it was a no-brainer for me.
by Ivan the Great on Jun 22, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is so frustrating.
They play so well early in the week, and just bomb on the weekends. We should be 5 up on the Phillies by now. I really hope they get it all together soon and get some consistency.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
5 games over the best record in Baseball???
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha...
I’m not worried about the Phils.
The Braves are one of the few teams that matches up nicely with them.
As long as we keep winning, we’ll make the playoffs; I don’t care if we win the NL East. (I do care, but y’all know what I’m saying.)
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
We should be on a 111 win pace...
I’M SO PISSED!!!!1
by TBuzz on Jun 22, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep!
Considering how “bad” we’ve been, I’m stoked we’re 2 games up in the WC!
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
I know it’s not the same thing, but it had to be done:
“One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going
to take my nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old
burned-out warehouse. “Oh no,” I said, “Disneyland burned down.”
He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a
pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but
decided to go home instead."
Yep.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jun 22, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Braves have the better overall team, just piss-poor performance from many of them.
So I could agree the Braves should be ahead of them, perhaps not 5 games though.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
I want my darn rainbow llamasaurus. I r not happy.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
Here you go.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Jun 22, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
here you go prime minister....
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
MLBTR
Says Infante is available. Reckon the Marlins still want Uggla signed for 4 years?
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
I really wish Fredi would take it easy on Venters. The guy is brilliant, and I’d love to continue to watch him pitch after this season.
by get swoll yunel on Jun 22, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
And make sure he has plenty of female suitors at his hotel room everynight
he shan’t be using his arm/hand for anything other than pitching.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Jun 22, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I love having Braves named to the team. I wish there was not actually a game.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 23, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He's on pace to pitch over 100 innings
I looked up how often a relief guy has thrown 100 IP in a season without any starts and it’s only happened five times since 2000.
And most of those were throw away guys or guys who were failed starters being converted to the pen.
About the only comparison was Guillermo Mota who was a very good set up guy who pitched 105 innings in 2003 and then 97 innings in 2004 and then completely crashed. We might want to start handling Venters with a little more care considering what an asset he’s developed into.
Lets all take a second to appreciate how godly Brian McCann has been lately
His last 5 games
7-16, 4 HR, 6 RBI, 1 SB
In June he’s hit .297/.415/.667 with 6 HR for a 1.082 OPS
He’s now on season’s pace for 30 doubles, 28 HR, and 92 RBI with a line of .302/.380.523
Brian McCann is the face of this franchise.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
This
CEO and Founder of the Hire Bill Cowher for 2012 Bandwagon.
Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on Jun 22, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel like he isn't getting any cheapies either
every ball he hits is a HR or smoked to right field
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jun 22, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I love watching his HR. He hits some of the prettier ones around. Just smokes ’em.
I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Just saw the highlights on MLBN…that pitch was crushed.
CEO and Founder of the Hire Bill Cowher for 2012 Bandwagon.
Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on Jun 22, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
McCann is on fire!
Obviously the best hitting catcher in baseball right now.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 23, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
NL ERA leaders:
1. Jair Jurrjens – 2.11
2. Tommy Hanson – 2.48
3. Phillies
4. Phillies
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30. Tim Hudson – 3.73
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
That's awesome.
When our 5th and 6th pitchers are as dominant as Minor and Beachy were the last two games, good things will come.
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
Whoever has him under the radar needs to stop. I think most give him credit though. On almost every list of potential All-Stars in the national media he is listed, and usually with very nice comments as well. I think a lot of people view Kershaw and him in a similar light.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Damn I just saw Bautista's catch robbing Schafer
thats a damn shame…schafer hit the ball hard all day and has 1 hit to show for it
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jun 22, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
that play particularly made him even more mad. Prediction- Next game 3HR’s by Logan
by PhuckthePhillies on Jun 22, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
When I got to the part
in the review about Uggla’s homerun, I instantly thought back to the Game Thread and wondered why the Uggla smash pic. wasn’t there. Was ATLandUNC not in the Thread
OBP Slut
and yet again...
…no mention of it on ESPN. congrats beachy, welcome back. eat a deeeek ESPN
The Cardinals once again do us no favors
Shut out by Cliff Lee on six hits. Phils win 4-0.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
I really hope
that Uggla can start stringing some good games together. We coulc really use his bat to come alive. This game was a good start!
Good to see some power behind Schafer’s bat. Gives him more flexibility in what he can do, and makes the outfielders respect him more with regard to how they have to play him. A good hitter can see that, and place the ball in front of them if they play him back, and vice versa.
Are any on the post
going to give Linebrink some love? He has been pretty damn consistent of late, about getting through innings fairly cleanly.
Watching Yunel.....
….gesticulating like a teenager and pouting when our runner (Lugo?) was called safe on a bang-bang play, made me glad all over he was dealt to the Jays.
That was bush. In the long run, I think we got the good end of that deal. Even in the short run, we didn’t do too badly.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
This statement defies all logic.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 24, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
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