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The Case for Acquiring an OF Bat (or my Two Pence)
by GumpBrave on Jun 20, 2011 12:22 AM EDT
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PrintThis is partly in response to an article written by our own Scott Coleman, the article can be found here http://atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-braves/2011/6/19/2232463/mlb-atlanta-braves-trade-rumors-news-deadline, I do like the writing, and I understand why Braves fans might be a bit gun shy of a big trade that involves top prospects. However, I think that there is a lot to be said for acquiring a major OF bat and what it could do for our team.
First of all, lets agree that Schafer is probably not our guy for the whole season. He has shown a lot to love in his defense and base-stealing skills, but he doesn't get OB enough to fully utilize the latter skill, and if we are looking for improvement we can all agree that, aforementioned skills aside, we can improve greatly in CF.
But with the acquisition of an OF bat we also improve our bench by having Nate Mclouth as a 4th outfielder. While he might not shore up all our bench needs, he would certainly be the best 4th outfielder we can have, and it is about time we ignore the numbers on his contract and start constructing lineups that help us win. With that premise in mind, Mclouth would never be our CF if we acquired a major bat in a trade, and in fact, acquiring said bat improves our bench and our lineup.
I personally think that the best option for us is Hunter Pence. While we should consider every candidate, Hunter Pence stands out because he is on a team that is selling and because his stats look good and, though they exceed his career averages, his career averages are still very good. His 2011 slash line is .321/.361/.497 and he is on pace for a 140 OPS+ season with a wOBA of .378. While this exceeds his career average slash line of .291/.339/.483, he has been remarkably consistent over the course of his career leading to a career average OPS+ of 118. Also, the difference in splits between the 1st and 2nd half are virtually non-existent. Making him a pretty sure bet in my mind. Considering that his worst season was the sophomore slump (which many argue derives from a combination of pitchers learning about tendencies, over-confidence, and the first experience in playing a full career as a non-rookie which must have less tension and edge- which many athletes thrive on- than a rookie season) and that he has bounced back from it quite well over the last 3 years, I think we can consider him as a very consistent ball-player.
I understand that he is injured at the moment, but he has not been injury prone over the course of his career with his season low games played in his 3 full seasons being 156. I think that perhaps this could help us pry him from the Astros hands and would also give the rest of our team a couple of weeks to regain our composure. Anyway, this proposed trade is relevant anyway, regardless of timeframe, because McLouth/Schafer would be the player displaced not Prado. In this scenario Heyward can move to CF, though Pence has experience. I think Heyward is a good candidate because of his strong straightaway speed and his superior range. The areas that Heyward lacks is in his agility and acceleration, which would be helped by having more distance from the plate, thus enhancing his skill set and its application on the field.
The price would, admittedly, be high. Pence is signed through 2014 but is available for arbitration in 2012. While the arbitration will likely be high, especially considering how well he is doing this year, the type of numbers he has produced are well worth the money.
As an additional vector, consider that Heyward would likely only be playing CF for the remainder of 2011 since Chipper will likely retire after this season (I hope that he does and that the title of Braves batting coach will ease the transition for him a bit.) After that Prado plays 3rd and hopefully Schafer will become out CF.
The lineup of:
1. Prado
2. Heyward
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Pence
6.Uggla
7. Freeman
8. Gonzalez
Looks pretty awesome to me. The point that I am making is not that we should get Hunter Pence, but that Hunter Pence is an exemplary candidate for the type of bat I think that we should get. And considering our ridiculous pitching depth, we could make this trade without crippling our future like the Tex trade did.
To preempt the inevitable comments that that this is rosterbation, let me say that the rosterbation threads are always trash. Just complete non-sense as a whole. So I thought that limiting the discussion by a well-outlined need would be a nice change of pace. If you disagree than use this as the new rosterbation thread.
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I still feel like our approach to the plate is what needs to change...not our personnel
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by SouthernPanther on Jun 20, 2011 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
This
This is all that needs to happen. One new bat wont change the other 7
by drumzalicious on Jun 20, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that that is a huge factor. I would love to fire Larry Parrish. But, I think that the fact that Fredi brought Larry was a sign of a regime change. In part, the firing of Larry Parrish would be a reflection of failure on Fredi. I’m not saying that this is true, but I can see Fredi construing it as such. Perhaps after the season but not in season, however beneficial it might be.
But this isn’t just about helping us this season. If we get the right bat (like Pence) we could be helping ourselves for the next 3 years in the OF, again, if we get the right trade.
I’d hope they would talk it over with Fredi first. Honestly I think a good manager should own up and admit his mistakes and bad decisions every now and then, at least when it counts and would benefit the team.
But, I’m guessing he doesn’t think the problem has anything to do with Parrish to begin with. Either that or he just wouldn’t admit it for the sake of being a team player. Either way, I think you’re right, probably won’t help us get a new hitting coach.
If I were the Braves, though, I think Dan Uggla alone would be enough to convince me to consult with an army of hitting coaches. I guess it might piss off Parrish and would probably need a way to filter the bad ideas from the good ones, but…
+1
just for the name, it made me lol
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always my friend, always
People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange
Pun-triotism???
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by Chipper Pwns on Jun 20, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No no no no no
The time has come to solve our problems for once and for all.
We need to trade for Matt Kemp. A true superstar who can play center field.
It would break the bank but i believe it would be worth every penny
If I was the GM (and i like to think i am good at gauging value) since Kemp is making about 10 mil and is an MVP candidate i would trade: Minor, Delgado, Schafer, Lipka, and Clemens
so you think we should buy high
on a guy who didn’t play well last year and has attitude/work ethic problems?
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thiiiiis
I don’t want Matt Kemp for the same reason i don’t want any of the Uptons. they do not have the attitude for this team.
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
Uptons
I grew up with both of them and while they have attitudes, they have always been team first. I like Justin more as a player but the DBacks would never part with him. I am a big Pence fan and would love to see him in ATL. Slight brag but I went to school w/ Cuddeyer and Wright too. Was fun to just watch them play back then. All batted 700 haha
as i said
one bat wont change the other 7. If Kemp comes over and is mashing but the rest of the team continues to have terrible AB’s and slump offensively he will just set the record for the most IBB in a season
by drumzalicious on Jun 20, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
you would be suprised what one man can do for a line up. we are going through some tough times with the injuries but you have to think at some point heyward returns to form and prado comes back and does his thing.
kemp
the point is we have hoarded up the prospects for some time and the time has come we need to spend some of them on someone who is a game changer simply because we can.
I'm sort of at this point too
We’ve got the pieces to actually get a superstar quality player, and we have the pieces to surround that player with a great team. I don’t know if Kemp is the one, or if there is realistically any guy like that, but I would love to try.
Kemp or McCutchen in CF would make me pretty happy. Or, wait till the offseason, see who comes available, and maybe change plans for another position.
Welcome to the party Brock...
I’ve been hosting the “we’ve got the pieces to go land a true star, and should spend them” bandwagon for going on a year now. Glad you could join us, and in about 45 minutes, we’ll be serving punch and pie.
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and if that happens
the need for a bat like Kemp dissipates, and then we sold the farm for something we really didn’t need
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nuh uh
The black hole that is the Atl centerfield would plugged for the first time in 5 or six years. And we would still have Teheran, Vizciano, Beachy, Salcedo and a bunch of others.
yuh huh
sorry just wanted to do that
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
by BravesRaleigh on Jun 20, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Im just saying
we could get someone like Bourn for like 1/50th the price
a true leadoff with a respectable obp, amazingly good sb rates/% and good defensively, like a more consistent schafer, and like drum pointed out in the other thread could be a huge influence on helping schafer become a leadoff hitter
then we still have
Delgado, Schafer, Lipka, Clemens, Teheran, Vizciano, Beachy, Salcedo and a bunch of others.
and i think it would take more than your package to acquire Kemp anyway.
People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange
the point is
yeah we would still have them but that doesn’t do us a bit of good because we aren’t going to have an 8 man rotation. we have the chips it’s time we spent them on a quality player we can keep a few years we don’t have to re trade for.
well why not get a quality player like bourn
and still have those trade chips for when another need arises.
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because
we have this problem every single year. last year we got quick fixes in ankiel and lee. lee was mediocre and rick was abysmal.
there is a saying we had in football: “Do it right, do it light”
the prospects we spend on quick fixes adds up. just get someone who we won’t have to re trade for.
Bourn is signed through 2013 and Pence is signed through 2014 so we aren’t talking a half-year rental here.
exactly
we would have Bourn just as long as Kemp so your argument on that doesnt really stand
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when i say
quick fixes i mean talent wise. he braves do this a lot. just get a decent guy with okay numbers who we don’t have to spend too much for and pray he has a career year.
yeah but i dont see how bourn or pence
would fall into that category, they both have respectable consistent careers and are under 30. And neither of them are having a down year by any means
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just bourn he is a career .265 hitter
the reason i don’t want Pence is a corner outfielder. what we really need is a CF
Depends on what you are looking for. I think the Braves have the potential to be a high OBP team which kind of makes up for speed. While Pence isn’t necessarily the high OBP guy we are looking for neither is Kemp and in fact I’d take Pence’s numbers over Kemp not to mention their respective consistency and stability.
but Pence HAS experience in centerfield
in Houston, none the less. he can handle it. and Heyward can handle center field, he has offered in the past, and im sure he would be willing to move again. he is a 5 tool player who could handle the move
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sorry just looked it up and he hasnt at least in the last 3 years
i just don’t see it happening but you do have some good points. g’night. it feels so good to vent about my opinions on here. good talk
haha i just got here
but all im saying is people are acting like we are talking about your carlos lees or your pat burrels, where centerfield is just not an option. these guys are athletes in the primes of their careers. they can do it. what makes Heyward anything but an ideal CF candidate?
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
think about this
yes they are big fast and athletic. but they aren’t burners. consider this jason probably runs a 4.6 40 yd dash. a guy like schafer runs a 4.4 40 or less. the difference in outfield coverage is six feet in each direction. doesn’t sound like much but the nect time you watch a game pay attention to each close play and imagine the difference 6 more feet makes
i don't understand
are you saying that a slower person would theoretically have an advantage over a faster person playing the same position because they have more time to look at the fly ball? your logic makes no sense. the outfield depth is a constant no matter who plays CF. the depth is irrelevant.
My point is that Heyward’s strength is in his range and straightaway speed, not his quickness and agility. The dude is big and it takes a little while to get that big frame to top speed. Playing a bit further from the plate would play to his strengths in fact. But the bigger point is that it can’t be worse than McLouth…
Height is a factor...
shorter legs tend to run faster 40s vs longer ones (like Heyward or French) which take a few steps to reach top speed.
Also, that slight difference in initial burst means little compared to the reads and routes one would take as a CF. Carlos Gomez could smoke Andruw Jones in a 40 yd dash, but I know which one is going to have the better range in CF.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
yes it would
If everyone in the lineup performed to their levels I actually wouldn’t mind Schafer staying in CF. He is full of potential and right now getting on base at a clip of every 3 AB’s isnt that bad especially since most of the time he is scoring a run. He and Gonzo would be the only below average players in a lineup of what should be all star caliber bats.
by drumzalicious on Jun 20, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
imagine
our rotation being: Hanson, Jurrjens, Beachy, Teheran, and Vizciano. Hell we would save so much money we could afford a big time free agent.
I’m not sure that playing the free agent market is the best usage of our somewhat limited funds to be honest. The Free Agent market is bound to be more competitive than the trade market for an OF bat, especially considering that our surplus of pitching is a highly sought commodity.
i was talking
about the financial benefits of having a young staff and how we could sign one in like like 2 or 3years from now. look at my other comments and you can get the context
When in the world would you want Matt Kemp with their nearly identical numbers. Also, while Kemp slugs .005 points higher in his career, he gets on base about .25 points less than Pence. Not to mention that Hunter is by far a more consistent player.
and to be honest
Pence would cost us only a leg, Kemp would cost us an arm, a leg, torso, and a soul
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because he is
a freak athlete who can play center field and is an offensive monster. say what you want there is no chance in hell pence or heyward play center
but Bourn can!
and actually be a good defensive one, a really good one.. not below average or average defensively
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I would love Bourn, but I think he would cost more and doesn’t provide the same kind of offense as Pence. I really think that Prado or Heyward could play CF and it wouldn’t be any worse than McLouth. Considering Heyward’s range and size, being 20 feet back might improve his fielding.
wow really?
i was thinking he would be the same price if not less, the astros FO have basically labeled Pence as a franchise player and it seems like they really undervalue bourn.
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I really am not knowledgeable on the dynamics of the Astros, but it just seemed intuitive to me that a good CF would be more costly than a negative dwar RF (I think that Pence could move to LF and Prado could play RF possibly but I could be accused of loving Prado to much- a righteous crime.) But like I said I don’t know much about the workings of that clubhouse
Yea but he is not the best clubhouse guy. Hunter Pence’s goofiness must have come with some sort of sense of humor or amicability or something. People with that much of a goofy factor tend to find some sort of equalizer. What if his was baseball playing?
On a serious note, I think that Heyward or Prado could play a comparable center to Kemp and to be honest it can’t be worse than McLouth at times. I think that Pence could provide a major impact while Kemp’s impact is wrought with questions about his both on and off the field performances. And as austin noted, he would make more sense in terms of cost. Plus the kid is just 28 and isn’t a free agent until 2014. His consistency and well-defined skill-set makes him the apparently rare impact bat that isn’t allergic to the city of Atlanta (for reference see Uggla, Dan)
i have been an advocator for pence
and i would still like to have him, but the more and more i talk about it the more it seems like getting bourn would be just as good if not better. we got guys who can hit hrs and strikeout, and we have seen what having good ab’s and speed can do. That being said i would be happy with either or neither, if people on our team started playing like they should this whole point would be moot
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If the plan is to get a guy like Bourn
you can bet your ass that the FO will give Schafer another few weeks to make sure we don’t already have one of those.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
support the claim that Pence cannot play CF?
by McCann's the Man on Jun 20, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I personally would try Heward in CF first, but Pence does have experience. I would rather play either of our two starting OFs there first. But as I mentioned in the original fanpost, I think that Heyward’s range and straightaway speed would be better served in CF than RF even. The thing that Heyward struggles with is his acceleration and agility and playing closer to the plate hurts, not helps, these factors. Seems to me that his strengths play well into CF, and while I don’t think he has a career there, I’m sure he can manage for a month over half a season.
Meh
Need to remember that Pence plays in a bandbox while Kemp plays in Chavez Ravine. Career road splits:
Pence… .328/.460/.788
Kemp… .355/.486/.840
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yeah
Look at his career numbers. his “bad” year he hit .250 with 30 home runs. Besides he has obviously adjusted his attitude. Many people believe it had a lot to do with his break up with Rihanna.
he was also the worst defensive cf in the NL that year
hit reply next time :P
People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange
I'm not in agreement about Schafer not being the guy.
So it’s kind of hard to read the rest of this. I think our team is fine, and when Prado and Chipper are back to full strength, our lineup will be a force.
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
ok i read the rest of it
sooo Schafer’s not good enough this year but is good enough next year when chipper retires? I’m confused.
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
by BravesRaleigh on Jun 20, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you
Trade Teheran, Minor, and Bethancourt for Bourne and Pence?
nah
i’m never trading teheran unless i’m getting an ace back. and bethancourt is going to be our guy if mac leaves.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
no
but they can have Delgado and Hoover.
by drumzalicious on Jun 20, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
plus
where do we play BOTH Bourne and Pence?
by drumzalicious on Jun 20, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So... you don't like my rosterbation thread is what you're saying....
I could spend a bit of time talking about how every version of rosterbation is nothing but trash… but then i’d be saying most of what I write is trash… and everyone else on this blog… but oh wait, its our opinion on something we have little to no influence over. :-) Maybe instead of calling things trash, you should infuse some quality opinion into it to make it better instead of branching off trying to talk about dead horses in a thread that has been done 30 million times…
Ok, enough of the chastizing, being hurt Krash.
I like Pence. I’ve said it in about 40 other threads. I wouldn’t be sad about Bourn but if we’re going all out getting a franchise player by trade, Justin Upton is the only player i would break the bank for. I really like the kid and w/ him and Heyward in the OF, I’d be in heaven. If we got Drew in the deal… It’d be even better. Just my opinion though… which of course is trash. :-) Take it for what you will.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
Agreed, what's the point of rosterbation threads if they are dismissed so easily...
the comments in them are all trash, no matter how well written, so the last paragraph is self indulgent imo.
To preempt the inevitable comments that that this is rosterbation, let me say that the rosterbation threads are always trash. Just complete non-sense as a whole. So I thought that limiting the discussion by a well-outlined need would be a nice change of pace. If you disagree than use this as the new rosterbation thread.
And the new rosterbation thread isn’t even a week old, nor filled with 1000+ comments. So why the need for a new one? But this one is well written, and focused on OF only. Woop de doo. Creativity requested is another one just a few days old. That’s 2 more rosterbation posts within 5 days of the one at the rec’d section. This is getting ridiculous, and will only get worse between now and the end of July. And I love how everyone wants to add their own way of saying “I know there is a rosterbation post already. But mine is much better written, and my thoughts are realistic! I deserve my own post for my great ideas!”
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Ben Duronio writes a post labeled "Bay for Uggla"
with less words, and thoughts than this. I scarcely saw a chastising word of Rosterbation. Yet, this post gets the inevitable remarks.
You guys are hilarious in your double-standards.
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's see...
probably cause Duronio’s post was for a single specific idea, that hadn’t been broached before not even as a comment in a rosterbation post, and also at a time when the old rosterbation post was in it’s last days, and a new one hadn’t yet been created. Comparatively, this one was within 5 days of the rec’d rosterbation post, 3 days of another unrec’d rosterbation post (creativity requested), and was on an idea that has been discussed ad nauseum of late (Pence) was specifically mentioned in the creativity post, and in addition to Pence being the rosterbation du juor for a week or mroe now, the OF topic has been BY FAR the most discussed rosterbation idea for at least a year if not 2.
Do you see the vast differences between what Duronio posted and the timing of his post, and this post by Gump, as well written as it may be?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I see.
It was written by someone above reproach, and at a different time.
All valid excuses I guess (dripping with sarcasm).
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You are hilarious in your persecution complex
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Persecution
“is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group”
Group A: a small group of amateur editors.
Groub B: a person with ideas pertaining to a Braves related trade or roster change
Group C: a small group of people (all of Group A is included in this group, as well as any amateur writers within the “in” blog community)
Seems that Group B is being “persecuted”, though I wouldn’t use that word. Its such a strong word and I would save it for real life problems, but yeah, i guess your right by definition.
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Mr. Webster
and yes, that definition fits what you are moaning about. You’ve yet to state my original comment was incorrect by the way, or that my description of the significant differences betweenm the two posts are incorrect. Just whine about how it’s a “double-standard” everyone was too scared to bring up with Duronio. Sorry to upset your delicate sensibilities with accurate comments about well established policies of the site, but thanks for pointing out my double standards and awe of Duronio’s status that I was previously oblivious to.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
let the record reflect ...
that I specifically called out Ben, who had audiously suggested that his post might be considered semi-rosterbation, to which I pointed asked something along the lines of: How exactly is this “semi”-rosterbation?
insofar as I was concerned (and several repliers agreed ), those were intended certainly to be chastising words. so, BGE’s basic premise is inaccurate.
also, I am definitely “out” – not “in” – with virtually all recognizable crowds.
Last names not Webster....
oh, that was a dig. Sometimes with the laughable rules, I forget which is a joke and which isn’t.
“probably cause Duronio’s post was for a single specific idea, that hadn’t been broached before not even as a comment in a rosterbation post” — I’m not sure what the TalkingChop guidelines are concerning specific, but the above is pretty specific. If it has been mentioned in other threads, so be it.
“and also at a time when the old rosterbation post was in it’s last days, and a new one hadn’t yet been created. " — I take this to mean it is OK to rosterbate, as long as the original rosterbation post is long enough? Exactly how many posts long does it need to be to be allowed to write another fan-post. Or does that rule change depending on who it is as well? Is that even what you meant?
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It meant you aren't going to see discussion in a rosterbation post that's been up for 12 days...
it’s dead and will be off the board soon. In those instances, putting up a fan post that’s rosterbating is much more understandable than when two have been posted, with a great deal of discussion on the exact same subject and player, within the past couple days.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
and...
“the OF topic has been BY FAR the most discussed rosterbation idea for at least a year if not 2”
Last I checked Bay played in that large open space beyond the infield.
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You're the only one acting like Duronio is "above reproach"...
the timing issue is kind of a key component in the differing treatment (as you’ll see that thread kind of dried up quick as soon as rosterbation post that wasn’t two weeks old went up).
And while Bay and Pence are both corner OF, the point you seem to be convienently ignoring is that one’s name had never been mentioned before, and would probably be lost and dismissed at the bottom of a 2 week old rosterbation post. The other’s name is mentioned specifically in a post from a mere 3 days ago, and is discussed extensively in the current, relatively fresh, rosterbation post.
There is a pretty big difference between his post, and this one. But whine away and spin an issue without denying the fact that this post is both redundant on recent others and is little more than well written rosterbation unworthy of being a stand alone topic right now. It’s about time for the mods to start getting itchy trigger fingers on rosterbation again.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah....refreshing
Threatening with deleting more stuff when one complains of a rule that deletes stuff.
What a way to fix things. If we (by we of course I mean: The collective community with power in a open community of Braves enthusiasts in a supposed open platform to discuss such topic) have decided your thoughts are without merit, thus we will cry and then possibly delete said posts, with the only reasoning being that it belongs in a superficial category that we created called “Rosterbation”. We decide what is or isn’t rosterbation, and we use no such silly thing as uniform rules, but we did decide to have select people who are above any rules we do enforce. See if a person creates a post at one time discussing a trade involving a Braves 2b for a NL OF, it is OK because of the “timing”. If another person creates a post about trading for a NL OF, the timing was off (seriously guys, it has nothing to do with the creator of said post, promise), its all about the timing. Can’t you all see how a 50 word post about trading a Braves player for NL OF, is totally different than a post concerning trading a Braves player for a NL OF? Why can;t you guys see this?
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Go eat a baby goat.
I persecuted no one. Sorry I didn’t mention in Duronio’s thread how he rosterbated openly. I CHOSE not to read it because I don’t have time to read each and every rosterbation thread. I choose to read the rosterbation thread frequently because that is where these thoughts are intended… If people abuse it, I can’t help it. If I know a topic will be rosterbation… I tend not to read… I liked the title of this thread and the content until I got to the end of it…
To call rosterbation trash and then rosterbate in a thread… it drives me a little batty. I know it’s trash but I don’t need to clog the cyberwaves with all the “trash” floating in my brain. I put it in the rosterbation thread, whichever one is open, and i move on. if people read it… whoopy… if not, whatever. My thoughts are out there and if you like it you do if you don’t, you don’t. You have three choices, Ignore it. Comment on it. Don’t read it.
Regardless, your desire to provoke a war of words is immature and your desire to advocate for disregarding rules on a board is not needed. You continually want to provoke posters into useless banter (which i’m partaking in right now) and as of this moment, it will be tough for me to find a comment of yours worth commenting on. I know you don’t care but hopefully you grow up a little and realize your perspective needs to grow quite a bit.
With that, thanks for being a Braves fan and I wish you well in your future endeavors.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jun 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As I've stated before I eat goats when I eat them, no sooner.
I certainly wish you well in your future endeavors.
I hate it when people squash a thought because they don’t like it. I really don’t care what the thought is. When commenting on a open board, and the post is on topic (which is hard to argue Braves “Rosterbation” is off-topic when creating a fan-post on a Braves blog) I would always assume it to be ok, no problem. Which this post is an example of.
by BabyGoatEater on Jun 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not "squashing a thought"...
it’s pointing out the thought is best served being brought up in it’s appropriate place.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
My thought process was to outline a case and scenario in a way that might perhaps take it out of the realm of rosterbation. While I am talking about a hypothetical acquisition primarily, the real argument I was trying to make is that we should acquire an outfield bat, the secondary argument is that that bat should be Pence.
So fancified rosterbation,...
but before it is fancied up, and after, it’s still just rosterbation. And I’m not disagreeing that you wrote it well, and had a good idea. More so than it is extremely redundant when we’ve got Krash’s rosterbation post and the creativity post containing extensive discussion of exactly what you bring up above. That’s what the rosterbation posts are for, to include what you wrote and discuss what you bring up. If we aren’t going to use them for what they’re for, then we may as well end them and just let the free-for-all go with 18 different versions of these things going up per day.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
And my quip above wasn't directed at you...
but give it long enough, and you’ll see for yourself. It seems like everyone who does this includes a little bit about how they know it’s rosterbation and should be in the rosterbation post, but there’s is such a great idea and they wrote it so well, that it deserves it’s own place at the table. Plus, unlike all those other hair-brained schemes, this is actually a realistic trade! Sometimes, like with what you put up there, it’s actually a well written, well presented, and reasonably realistic idea, but there’s been numerous others where such a statement has been little more than awesomely unintended comedy.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Sorry, you know that the comments about the quality of the rosterbation thread weren’t meant in any way to be directed at you. I just thought that a specific and focused topic might help the course of the discussion. No offense intended mate.
none taken... my comment was mostly sarcasm... with a minor bit of chastising. :-)
The we need this CF or that CF or this OF or that OF threads, while each having their unique brand of thought process due to the person putting it out is just starting to get repetitive… I’m sure you feel the same way after having voiced your thoughts in them. I’ve read some of your very words above in other threads. Granted, time has passed and it is always good to rethink and rebrand your thoughts into more statistically backed and well thought out versions of your original idea so for that sir, I applaud you. I just wish your thoughts would have been in the rosterbation thread as to lend it credibility and credence for existing. It’s ideas like yours that make a rosterbation thread meaningful. Granted it can get buried but quite a few people read them.
Anywho… no offense taken and we can still be penpals. :-P
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jun 20, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Beltran
we need somebody who can add significant talent to our lineup against LHPs. beltran’s .258/.303/.645 slash would fit nicely into the rh power bad void uggla has continuously failed to fill. he’s also hitting .296/.387/.452 against righties. I’d be willing to part with Minor and some lesser talent, and the mets would love to get it. We could get that talent back by offering beltran arb, and then getting those picks when he doesnt sign, or putting him in RF and prado at 3B if he does. The only problem is salary (about 9 mil remaining).
another guy i want for the braves to add is Jeff Baker. Can play 2nd or 3rd, and this season is killing the ball against the lefties, good for a .460/.471/.640 split in 50 ABs. His career numbers against lefties are .325/.374/.556 (OPS .930), and he’s got a uzr/150 of 4.7 at 2B. I’d stick him in the lineup at 2B every game against lefties until Uggla picks it up. His salary is nothing (1 year/$1.175M), and he could be a great upgrade as a pinch-hitting option for our bench too. We’ve got the depth at SS on the farm now to start an offer with lipka and maybe a decent arm?
LINEUP
1. Prado
2. Heyward
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Beltran
6.Freeman
7. Uggla/Baker
8. Gonzalez
Bench: Uggla/Baker, Ross, McLouth, Hinske, Hicks
If we go out and get both of these guys, i honestly think we’d have the best offensive outfield in the NL( Prado, Beltran, Heyward) with very good 4th OF in Mclouth. Beltran istn the CF he used to be, but with Prado and Heyward on the corners helping with good range, he will be decent. and if McLouth is playing CF with Beltran on a corner, that’s still good coverage in the field. We could let Schafer go down and get some more seasoning in AAA and bring him back up later if necessary for injuries or to replace Mclouth if he struggles. We keep Hanson, Jurrjens, Huddy, Lowe, Beachy, with our big three of Teheran, Delgado, Vizzy still in the pipeline.
I’m hesitant to give up any more prospects for a middle relief arm. I think we should promote Teheran to the bullpen this season to save innings on his arm and provide relief for O’Ventbrel while waiting for our ultimate late season bullpen of O’Ventbrel, Teheran, Moylan, Sherill, Medlen.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
I think you shold look at Beltran's home/road splits
then tell me that you still want him. He has been atrocious away from Citi field. All of his athleticism has been sapped by injuries. He is a shadow of his former self.
zips projection for the rest of the year is .278/.364/.478 (OPS .842)
and his iso at home, in the cavernous citi field, is .276. I dont know why the fact that he’s hitting at home in one of the top pitchers parks in the country in a bad thing….
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
because he doesn't hit on the road
and we only have a few games left in Citi field. his road splits are atrocious.
he's a career .283/.369/.533 (OPS .902) hitter away
, and that includes OPS of 1.033 and .812 the past ‘09 and ’10. And home games doesnt only mean citi field, he’s played in other home fields for most of his career for a .845 OPS. it could mean he doesnt travel as well anymore, but we’ve got the depth with mclouth to rest him plenty. he still has been mashing at home.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/26803/heatlh-homers-for-beltran
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
His career numbers don't mean anything anymore.
This year he has been awful. He’s hitting .244/.334/.394 on the road this year. Being that we’d only be keeping him around for this year, what he does the rest of his career is irrelevant.
His away split is a .338 wOBA. That’s above average.
Your argument is invalid.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
and its also above pujols
pujols must really suck…
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Kemp's wOBA is .511
so what’s your point? You won’t have to give up much to get him? Read the link below. Also, you’d have to deal to the Mets and see who you gave up every year play against you. Also Beltran won’t be around after this year. Also, he’s not worth his contract.
if realignment happens and i think it will, divisions are moot point.
and if beltran is not around after this year, then we have two compensation picks for him. Because despite all your complaining about away batting, he’s a Type A for sure. I know we’ll have to give up a lot, but we could avoid all of our highest ceiling guys, and go with our lower ceiling, higher floor guys.restocking (with those two Beltran picks) the equivalent of Minor, Hoover, and Clemens for Beltran is a whole lot easier done than for the equivalent of Vizzy and Delgado plus others that’d it take to get Kemp.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
and this year you have to look at the Zips, which as above is .278/.364/.478 (OPS .842)
and look what he did against our own braves this past week at turner field, 4-12 (.333) , 2B, SB, 2 BB, 1K. He’s hitting .313/.397/.478 (OPS .875) in june, which includes 10 away games. He’s finally healthy and hitting the ball.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that Zips is a projection.
That means that it’s a guess. An educated guess, but a guess none the less.
On the road in June he’s hitting for a .289 BA with 2 doubles, no triples, and no homers. In those 10 road games, he’s faced the back end of Milwaukee’s rotation, Pittsburgh for 4 games, Jurrjens (in his worst start of the year), an apparently broken Hudson, and Minor. With the exception of Jurrjens, there aren’t too many good pitchers on that list.
But hey, you’ll always have that projection to hold onto.
yeh, and you'll have all of your evidence against him....
you gave one piece of evidence, and it was wrong. his away line is .244/.353/.394 (OPS .747). great job of coming up with valid arguments to refute all the numbers i just gave you. but hey, i’ll always have that projection
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so I misread the OBP.
That doesn’t refute the rest of it. He’s 11/38 on the road in June, with two doubles being the only extra base hits. That’s a .342 Slugging %. Hardly inspiring.
an OBP of .386 over that same time isn't bad
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Walks are wonderful
but only if they lead to something. He only had 4 runs in those 10 games, and not all of them came after walks. He only has 2 stolen bases this year (both on that road trip with one coming against JJ). His athleticism is gone. I think that you’re better off trading for a guy that isn’t a rental, isn’t in your division, and will still be around next year. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carlos-beltrans-trade-value/
his lack of runs is more a testament to the rest of the mets terrible second half of a lineup than it is to him. Let’s just watch this next month and see if his knee is good and if he steals a few bases or keeps up this work, lets go give up two C prospects (mentioned in article above) that it would take to get him
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if it only takes two C level prospects to get him, then it’s worth it. those can be replaced. However, trading with the Mets will cost the Braves more than that, and the Mets reportedly want to be “blown away” by any trade with him in it.
if you look here https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AvLwvo09fq4ZdEFZQWRQcTZYYkNvMWoxYnFGS3JDTXc&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html
that would take just carlos perez and beachy. wow.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
grab that net
and catch that beautiful butterfly
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
.233 / .310 / .311
I can get on board with what we see from Schafer is what we’ve got. That slash line looks pretty much like any other Schafer slash line I’ve seen the last couple of years.
I’m not crazy about Pence. I wouldn’t trade for a bad back. Never. The last thing we need in another guy swinging for the fences, but hitting it to the warning track.
I’d aim at Bourn. When Schafer has had good games, we’ve seen what a leadoff hitter with speed can do for this team. Fetch us a good one.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
how much better is bourn going to be than schafer next year?
if schafer continues to grow as a leadoff guy, then why not go get a guy (Beltran) for this year with .288/.375/.500 (OPS .875) as opposed to bourn’s .279/.349/.385 (OPS .734). Bourn’s contract would also clog the way for schafer next year.
Beltran allows for insurance in case any of our biggest bats go down. He can step in anywhere in lineup from 2 to 6. bourn only brings a leadoff bat, one that still struggles against lefties (.200/.273/.271) (OPS .544).
Having two middle of the order switch hitters in beltran and chipper would allow so many matchup problems for late game situations.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of Beltran a lot...
and think it’d be a great player to add. I’m not sure if he’d be effective in CF, but Prado and Heyward have good range to help cover that. Plus like you say, adding a very effective switch hitter to the heart of the order would be pretty nice too.
My primary issue with Beltran would be asking price. If we assumed his salary, (maybe try to offset it by sending them KK and McLouth?) that’s a lot of money. If the Mets pick up a majority of the price tag, they are going to want some pretty solid prospects who we just might regret seeing repeatedly for the next 6+ years. In-division trades are rare for a reason.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd do it...
would the Mets?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
probably not because they would want prospects in return and are trying to get rid of payroll like ace said.
They could use a reliable starter,...
Lowe would be a salary savings this year compared to Beltran, if they were willing to pay the $15m for a starter next year that Lowe costs compared to whatever may be out there as a FA (Hamels?). IMO, it’d be pretty doubtful as ace says, they’d want prospects beaucoup prospects for Reyes and Beltran, maybe David Wright if he can get healthy by July, in an effort to rebuild around Ike Davis and I’m not sure who else they’d consider a long term piece. But then, if they were willing to take on Lowe and his salary, I’d be willing to include a prospect so they’d have that type of return.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
right
That’s what I was thinking, but they would rather have a deal evolved around top prospects than Lowe
With their financial woes....
I’d assume they’d go Marlins level cheap this year and next to save money, and can call it a complete rebuilding of the system for prospects they’ve lacked.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and who better than the braves
to give them the prospects they want. we’ve got near the best and have few needs. I think we can and should swing this deal
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but with possible realignment
no more divisions, no more problems. If you offered minor and hoover, maybe along with clemens/joe leonard, who hangs up? we dont need those guys really, especially not for a team that looks theoretically nearly as good as the red sox, while keeping the big three prospects…
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Are they sending significant cash too?
otherwise, yes, that’s too much and we’d hang up.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
for a world series appearance?
i’d rather get younger versions of minor and hoover from the compensation picks from beltran’s walking away from our arbitration offer than to worry about seeing two 3-4 rotation pitchers against the mets 3 times a year…
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
i was really excited about
hoover until i saw him debut for gwinnet. he was aweful but thats not what im worried about. he is FAT. that will be an issue down the road. i would LOVE him and be really excited if he lost 30 lbs or so.
Are we sure we'd be able to get compensation picks?
Would Beltran not take arb and the potential one year $15+m that he’d be unlikely to get for a season at his age with his knees?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 20, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
read
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/26803/heatlh-homers-for-beltran
would it be the worst thing to convert chipper’s 15 million to beltrans? he’s one of the best free agents on the board, and for one year i’d love to start next year with this lineup. We’re already getting 12 million off the books from mcclouth and kk after the year….
1.Schafer CF
2.Prado 3B
3. Heyward RF
4. Beltran LF
5. McCann C
6. Freeman 1B
7. Uggla 2B
8. Gonzo SS
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Beachy and Nate McLouth and Arodys Vizcaino for Josh Willingham and Joey Devine.
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Didn't realize Devine was healthy again...
good for him. Hope he can stay healthy.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
That's...
Quite the overpay, don’t you think? Willingham is looking like he’s declining and has no obvious signs of improving (BABIP and HR/FB% are normal, his ISO is dropping, he’s hitting fewer line drives, and is still a horrific liability on the basepaths and in LF.)
by OrangeBravo on Jun 20, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I still like the idea of trading for Bourn. Reasons:
-He be much cheaper than Pence, and Houston wants the pitching that we have
-He’s only due $4.4M this year, is arbitration eligible in 2012, and a free agent in 2013.
-Career .334 OBP, 8.9% BB rate, great fielder, and hella fast
-2009: 4.9 WAR, 2010: 4.8 WAR, 2011: 2.4 WAR
Lineup would look something like this:
1- Bourn
2- Prado
3- Chipper
4- McCann
5- Heyward
6- Uggla
7- Freeman
8- Gonzalez
Plus McLouth and Hinske on the bench.
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
Matt Kemp
.328/.415/.622 this year
.290/.345/.488 career
We have the prospects to make this happen. There’s no point in having them if we’re never going to use them. Yes, it will take a massive package to make it happen, but he can be the long term solution for a right-handed, outfield, power bat. He has 20+ home runs for the last 3 years (including this one). He’s a huge talent, and he’s young (26). His center field defense isn’t great. That has been well documented. However, he has been significantly better this year, and he is better than McLouth.
The best thing about Kemp is that moving him to left field when Chipper retires solves all of our problems. We can keep Schafer (who is superior defensively) in center, and this way he gets more seasoning in the minors this year. Prado moves to third base, and we’re set for years to come.
Kemp’s offense is good enough that we won’t be too sore about his poor defense this year. He’s better than what we’ve had out there before Schafer came up, and Kemp is still a massive talent who is improving.
There is a lot to like about trading for Kemp. Don’t treat him like a rental, and sign him with the money we save from Chipper and Lowe leaving. Even Kemp’s down year last year was much better than what we’ve trotted out there this year (.249/.310/.450 for Kemp vs. .240/.335/.341 for McLouth thus far). He brings balance and talent to our outfield, he’s two years younger than Pence and Bourn, and his offensive skill set will play well in left field once Chipper is gone.
kemp is super talented, but i dont like buying high
but what is the package you have to give to make this happen? It could be astronomical, because i think everyone will call to see if they can get him. two of three from Delgado,vizcaino and minor, plus others… This will be trading for one of the best young players in baseball, in the middle of his peak year.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that,
but I still feel that it’s worthwhile. If he can be the solution for the next 5 or 6 years, then it’s a good trade. Also, look at the trade the Phillies made to acquire Cliff Lee. I think that it would have to be something similar to that to get Kemp. They were able to make a deal that allowed them to hang onto their top 3 prospects. I think we have to identify who exactly we want to keep for our rotation, and everyone else is tradeable this year. Depth is wonderful, and God knows that it’s necessary for everyone. But if we have a top prospect that we aren’t going to use, then there’s no point in keeping them on the farm.
yeh, i guess i just want to see another year of kemp mashing consistently
before we give up the farm. I’d rather package minor and hoover for beltran so that we could keep my future dream rotation of Hanson,Teheran, Delgado, Vizcaino, Beachy. I think that rotation could be as good as the 90’, and really cheap considering how much team control we’d have. Beltran would be a rental, and if it works out, you offer arbitration and see if he wants to come back. if not, you get prospects to keep it stocked. If kemp regresses back to last season’s form, i dont want to be stuck with a good not great outfielder and a good not dominant rotation in front of him.
by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 20, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
I get where you're coming from.
I’d rather hold on to Minor than Beachy just to have a lefty in the rotation. I also hate trading away top draft picks. I just think it might come back to bite you in the ass. But we’d also be dealing to the Dodgers instead of the Mets. I just don’t like intra-division trades. I still think that your dream rotation could happen after a trade for Kemp. I’m not an expert in prospect economics, so I hesitate to propose deals when I write these things up. If the Lee deal was any indication though, I think we could get it done.
You opened the floodgates
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 20, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Living in South Dakota right now
This is not funny. At all.
"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."
— Albert Einstein
Twitter: @biggentleben
by biggentleben on Jun 21, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Did something happen recently?
Sorry if I inadvertently offended you or anything like that
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 21, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been covered plenty on the national news
They’re opening multiple spillways on the Oahe Dam because of the immense water behind the damn, which is flooding many residents out of their homes from Pierre all the way down the Missouri. On top of that, many areas around the Missouri have received 5+ inches of rain since midnight Monday, so it’s only getting worse. On top of earlier flooding that has left the major industry, agriculture, completely screwed in the state, this has been a very crappy year to discuss dam water flow.
"Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."
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by biggentleben on Jun 22, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought that was how many virgins he got....
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jun 21, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
We love you. You're a good contributor. It's ok if you kick start the insanity...
someone has to. Look at it like this… imitation is the greatest form of flattery. :-)
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Jun 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you're forgiven...
you had no idea it would end up spiraling like it did.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
again you are too nice
:P
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dude really stop
it is getting old.
People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange
It's trolling
And ban worthy
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by biggentleben on Jun 23, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
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