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Braves Activate Nate McLouth, Designate Joe Mather For Assignment.

Prior to today's series finale against the Texas Rangers, The Braves have activated outfielder Nate McLouth from the disabled list. McLouth went on the DL on May 23 with a strained muscle in his left side.

At the time of his injury, McLouth was hitting .238 with three home runs and a steal in 164 at-bats. While he was injured, Jordan Schafer was called up and showed better range in center along with a better arm.

Because of this, McLouth will play left field for the Braves until Martin Prado returns in which a decision will have to be made about outfield playing time. McLouth is starting in left today for the Braves and hitting seventh. He went 3-6 with an RBI during his rehab assignment for AAA Gwinnett. 

To make room on the roster, outfielder Joe Mather was designated for assignment by the team. Claimed off waivers from St.Louis in the off-season, Mather was hitting just .213 at the plate with one home run on the year. 

For the month of June, Mather went 3-32 with the bat, good for an .094 average that just wasn't going to cut it.

Per a tweet from David O'Brien at the AJC, 

"Braves hope to keep Mather, if he clears waivers and doesn't opt for free agency. It's 2nd time he's outrighted, can become free agent."

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Yeh, this is sure to turn around the Braves’ hitting woes.
Can’t wait to see him against midling lefties, to go alaong with the rest of these guys (other than McCann) who can’t hit lefties.

by mrsgritoli on Jun 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

atleast the got rid of the right person...

mather was awful aside from that LA series

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by SouthernPanther on Jun 19, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

This sort of makes clear...

of a certain Centerfielder who most likely be staying up after Prado returns. Of course, it looks like we’ll be missing Prado for a long while.

"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."

by Grantdawg on Jun 19, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

When Prado returns

DFA McLouth and get it over with

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by HansonManCrush on Jun 19, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Might....

but doubtful. They would value him more as a 4th outfielder than just pay him his full slary and get nothing. They might try to dump for a nothing trade (a minor league lottery ticket so to speak), but not likely. That is unless they do pull off a trade for a power-bat OF. Then the might just dump him, but would way more likely keep him as a 4, and send Schafer by to Gwinnett for the rest of the year.

"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."

by Grantdawg on Jun 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You go with McLouth as 4th OF ....

McCann
Freeman
Uggla
Gonzalez
Jones
Prado
Schafer
Heyward
with Ross backing up McCann, Hinske behind Freeman, Conrad and Hernandez/Hicks rouding out the bench, with McLouth able to slot in for Heyward (with Schafer to RF), Schafer, Prado, Uggla (with Prado to 2B) or Chipper (with Prado to 3B).

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

as much as everyone hates mclouth, his offense is considerably better than schafer’s. The expectations are higher, so it seems like he’s worse, but the braves would be stupid to use schafer over mclouth

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Jun 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rationality. I approve.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Jun 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The way Schafer is hitting now...

I’d disagree. I don’t expect him to keep it up, but so long as he’s hitting like this, combined with his vastly superior D, means you keep Schafer in CF. The thing is, between now and when Prado is ready, he may regress at the plate back to his AAA numbers. That would make the decision on it’s own for sending him down. But with Schafer as he’s doing now, he stays in CF imo.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offensively, there’s no comparison. Mclouth this year (still considered a “down year” for him) has a .332 OBP and .341 slugging. Schafer this year has a .310 OBP and .311 slugging. You can make the defense argument and that does make schafer the more valuable player, but you can’t pretend that schafer’s offense has been good.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Jun 19, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

His last two weeks,...

he’s averaging a run per game (12 games, 12 runs). He’s gotten on 16 times, not ideal but not bad. 6 SB versus 1 caught stealing, so the % means productive and slugged .373.

“No comparison”? Schafer’s are swinging so much by the day. Go back a week ago when we were leaving Houston, and his .325/.338 would be quite comparable to McLouth’s .332 and .341. Two days ago, .330/.341. Before yesterday, .326/.329, which is again pretty comparable to Nate’s #s. So yeah, I can “pretend” Schafer has produced offensively, because he has. It’s you who referred to his offense as “good”, not me. I simply said if he and McLouth hit at the same levels they have so far with Atlanta, Schafer should stay in CF. I don’t expect him to keep hitting like he has, but if he does, he stays starting in CF imo.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem with those stats.

They aren’t the important ones. RS is what matters for a leadoff hitter and Schafer is killing Nate in that department.(.188 RS/AB vs .152 for Nate) Another big plus is the pressure he puts on the defense. He causes an opposing team error at least once a game, no credit for a hit, but be sure he caused it. He also makes the hitters behind him much better, His SB rate is astronomically higher than McLouth’s. Which means the hitters behind him see more fastballs, slide steps and altered less effective delivery’s. There is NO question that is happening. Nate stole 1 base all season, JS has stolen 7 in his first 90 AB’s. JS is in all the important facets of a leadoff hitter, much better than McLouth has been. As to Nate’s "down " year, what was last year if this is a “down” year? When a “down” year becomes 2 don’t we call that a “trend”?

by billreef on Jun 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course he is gonna have more runs scored per ab

he has been leadoff all year with good hitters hitting behind him, while Nate spent a lot of time in the 8 spot,

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 19, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

good hitters like Chipper and Mccann

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 19, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he scored twice yesterday

from uggla, so even that…

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 19, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schafer

Crosses Home long before McCann ever bats.

by billreef on Jun 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

...so when chipper drives him in?

or you referring to uggla yesterday?

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

?
he has been leadoff all year

you mean in those 90 abs? yeah, THAT’S all year.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

he hasn’t batted anywhere else since being up

way to argue semantics..

People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange

by austinhb on Jun 19, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, are we really using “runs scored” as a legitimate measurement of a player’s worth?

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by kauf67 on Jun 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Last I checked

Don’t you still have to score runs to win?

by billreef on Jun 19, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flawless logic right here

"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your stash of potato chips?" -Bronn

by kauf67 on Jun 20, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing? Are we in the late 1980s?

by Tomahawk Mafia on Jun 19, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Follow up on the RS comparisons

Did some calculations with Schafer’s scoring rate. He is scoring at .188 runs/AB. That equates with 117 runs for a 625 AB season. Jose Reyes has only scored more than that once (scoring 122 and 119 in 647and 681 ABs respectively). Ichiro has only scored more once in his rookie season (127 Rs in 692 AB’s). I consider both of these guys prototypical Leadoff men because they get on, get over and get in. Amazing to see that Schafer is doing that well even though his average still has some room to climb. If you look at JS’s steal rate you can see why some of the above is true. (projected 49 steals over 625 ABs). No Brave has had anywhere near that total since Furcals 46 in 2005.

by billreef on Jun 19, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider both of these guys prototypical Leadoff men because they get on, get over and get in.

Schafer absolutely sucks at getting on base.

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by Lennox on Jun 20, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to consider this as well.

Schafer will be an ongoing part of this team. Nate will definitely be gone in 3 months.

by billreef on Jun 19, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This...

plus do not under-estimate the value of the difference between the value of the defense. When you a player that has a) higher upside than the alternative; b) much better defense than the alternative; and c) has a solid place in the line-up compared to the alternative (Schafer is a lead-off hitter; McLouth is a ? hitter. Not a lead-off hitter for sure), I really don’t see where the upside is to keep McLouth in the line-up.

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by Grantdawg on Jun 19, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, agree 100%

except that Schafer is a bottom third hitter.

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by J Tadpole on Jun 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummmm
as much as everyone hates mclouth, his offense is considerably better than schafer’s

the stats from this year beg to differ.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 19, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No they don’t

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by BenDuronio on Jun 19, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

WAR begs to differ again

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How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer

by ATLandUNC on Jun 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate: .238/.332/.341, .305 wOBA, 90 wRC+

Schafer: .233/.310/.311, .288 wOBA, 78 wRC+

McLouth is clearly a better option than Schafer at the plate. Defensively, Schafer is better but I would imagine a good bit of his WAR value comes from that defense. McLouth is clearly better than Schafer at the plate.

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by SCrebel10 on Jun 19, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs has McLouth at +0.1 WAR after 48 games. Schafer is at +0.8 WAR after 22 games. Having said this, it looks to me like there is a role for McLouth even after Prado comes back… will add to end of thread.

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by Cornutt on Jun 19, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t be an awful option as a 4th outfielder.

In a perfect world, we trade for an outfielder and Schafer becomes 4th outfielder, if even just for a half a season.

I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali

How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer

by ATLandUNC on Jun 19, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The statement I was responding to was talking about offense and you bring up defense.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Jun 19, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Now that I hear about DFA

maybe we can sign JC Romero for a chep 1 year contract, some bullpen help, great LOOGY, EOF has back problems

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by Kobe:The Legend on Jun 19, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Do it anyway and cut Proctor...

he’s gotta be next on the chopping block.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

McLouth & Schafer

this should be great to watch while Prado is on the DL. These two will be very competitive in the outfield look for a great couple of weeks for the Bravos

by BravesFanDC on Jun 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

How many chances

is that clown going to get? I realize he’s making way too much money, but frankly I’d rather the Braves ate McOut’s salary.

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by UMDBHIK on Jun 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

The thing, despite my advocating DFA’ing him, he hasn’t done anything to deserve a DFA really. He’s at least been replacement level if not a little above.

The real reason is due to not being a good fit with his skillset. I wonder what we’d get in a trade if we just ate his entire salary- or if there’s a similar bad contract out there which would help us out. Why I suggested McLouth in the Beltran trade idea- it gives the mets someone to put out there, and defrays some of the salary cost.

by Broccoman on Jun 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's at 86 OPS+.

That’s not replacement level or above.

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by J Tadpole on Jun 19, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

Jordan Schafer is at 72 OPS+

by Braves24 on Jun 19, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, neither hits

but one steals lots of bases and plays good CF defense. As an added plus, he throws the ball.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Jun 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol
As an added plus, he throws the ball.

You throw the ball in baseball?

by Braves24 on Jun 19, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying replacement level not average. Replacement is somewhere below 100, unsure where.

Also you gotta count defense in there, esp for a CF.

This is why I say we need a CF though, as its the biggest hole. Schafer’s a stopgap, but is he really better as an overall package then Rick Ankiel last year?

This is why I vote Beltran, who could play CF in Atlanta. (or would have enough range in RF to move Heyward over)

by Broccoman on Jun 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a huge fan of McOut but he has to be better than Mather. Mather has been dreadful outside of one angel game. Matt Young was even better than Mather. Hopefully we cut ties with Mather soon.

by Ultada on Jun 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I meant hopefully someone else claims Mather. I don’t even want him to be a option for the Braves anymore. Not impressed with him at all.

by Ultada on Jun 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt anyone picks him up

Why would they? He’s been terrible, and every other team sees that. The way Fredi has managed, we’ll def be seeing Mather again before the all star break. Ridiculous.

by murph35 on Jun 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nobody will claim Mather because he’s out of options. If he still had options, someone would claim him. I expect him to take free agency — there are probably teams willing to offer him a minor league contract.

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by Cornutt on Jun 19, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Hopefully) the clock is ticking for Proctor....

better Lose as many games as possible….

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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

how about

Hopefully he just starts winning games and doing his job? I’m not hoping for the braves to lose any game….

by M.artin V. P.rado on Jun 19, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mclouth and Hoover to the Royals

For Betemit

The Dayton Moore touches himself at night thinking about getting Braves players.

I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali

How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer

by ATLandUNC on Jun 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Such an awful trade idea.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Jun 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Get rid of dead weight and our 4th or 5th best pitching prospect for the best utility guy on the market?

Yep, awful.

I am the greatest, I said that even before I knew I was. - Muhammad Ali

How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer

by ATLandUNC on Jun 19, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

McLouth's place on the roster

Let’s take a look at the Braves’ bench options. Assuming that the Braves will continue to carry 12 pitchers, then obviously that leaves five bench slots. Ross and Hinske are automatic keepers, so that leaves three. What’s covered and what are the Braves’ needs?

  • Hinske provides a power left-handed bat, and he can play the corner outfield positions and 1B. If Hinske plays LF, Prado can be moved to 2B or 3B, so indirectly he provides backup at those positions too.
  • Ross, obviously, is the backup catcher. AFAIK he does not play any other position. He can be used as a right-handed power bat off the bench, although it runs the outside risk of needing an emergency catcher to finish a game.

So what the Braves appear to need are:

  • Another RH bat off the bench, so they don’t have to use Ross in every situation.
  • A LH bat off the bench on days when Hinske starts
  • A backup at SS
  • A backup at CF
  • A late-inning defensive replacement at LF/RF
  • A late-inning defensive replacement at 2B/3B (Prado can provide this to an extent)
  • A pinch runner

Conrad covers the RH bat off the bench; he’s also the emergency catcher, and he can play infield in a pinch. So he stays. Diory Hernandez stays on the roster because he’s the backup at SS, and he also provides the 2B/3B defensive replacement. (Neither Diory nor Brandon Hicks can hit a lick, but Diory appears to be a somewhat better fielder.) That’s 24. The remaining needs are the CF backup, the corner outfielder defensive replacement, and the pinch runner. McLouth covers two of these; he can handle CF if Schafer gets hurt, and although Nate’s defense is not great, he’s still better than Heyward or Hinske. With Mather gone, the other option would be Matt Young, but McLouth is clearly the better hitter. (This all leaves the pinch-runner rule unfilled — the Braves don’t appear to have any good options there.)

Yeah, it hurts to be paying a guy as much as the Braves are paying McLouth to sit on the bench. But what else are they going to do? If they cut McLouth, they’re going to eat it. If they trade him, they’re going to eat nearly all of it. May as well put him in a role where he can be at least somewhat useful, especially since the Braves don’t appear to any any better options. Other than Young, the Braves don’t even have another outfielder on the 40-man roster.

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by Cornutt on Jun 19, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that what we need is to change the dynamics of this team rather than shore up our smaller needs. I think that a major acquisition like Hunter Pence accomplishes this.

by GumpBrave on Jun 19, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Young can run. Didn’t he have 30+ steals in AAA last year?

Schafer covers all those needs if you get a CF. McLouth can be optioned/DFAed/traded for peanuts.

by Broccoman on Jun 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mather should counter with a request for a 5 year 62 million dollar deal..

by GumpBrave on Jun 19, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Is he with Boras?

If so, it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

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by Sam Jethroe on Jun 19, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about a Jeff Borris?

by GumpBrave on Jun 19, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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