Braves Offense Fails To Show Up In A 4-0 Loss To The Mets
by SCrebel10 on Jun 16, 2011 12:23 AM EDT
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Tonight was a miserable night to be a Braves fan. Two rain delays of over an hour each put a damper on the return of Jason Heyward, and a miserable offensive performance from Atlanta made it tough to watch when they actually got to play.
Tim Hudson struggled again tonight, giving up three earned runs in his four innings of work. The second rain delay of the night occurred after the fourth inning was completed, ending Hudson's night.
The Mets jumped on Hudson early as Jose Reyes led off the game with double to right field. An errant throw from Heyward trying to get the ball in allowed Reyes to advance to third on the play. Ruben Tejada grounded out to shortstop, allowing Reyes to score and give the Mets an early 1-0 lead.
Atlanta had its best scoring chance of the night in the second inning, as Alex Gonzalez doubled with two outs. Heyward walked to put runners on first and second, but Joe Mather struck out to end the threat.
The rest of the gory details after the jump
The score would remain the same until the fourth inning, where the Mets added to their lead. Daniel Murphy singled to lead off the inning, and was plated on Angel Pagan's two-run homer that just stayed inside the right field foul pole. Pagan's homer upped the Mets lead to 3-0.
Mets starter Dillon Gee was impressive in his four innings of work before the rain delay, giving up one hit and walking two while striking out five.
Cristhian Martinez headed to the mound after the rain delay ended, and pitched well until he got into some trouble in the seventh. A Jason Bay single to led off the inning was followed by back-to-back walks to Lucas Duda and Josh Thole to load the bases. Pinch hitter Willie Harris grounded to first, and Eric Hinske went home to get the force out. Harris beat the throw back to first, keeping the bases loaded.
Scott Linebrink was summoned from the bullpen after that, and a great play from Hinske kept the damage to a minimum. Reyes bounced a hot shot down the first base line that Hinske corralled with a great leaping play and managed to tag first. Hinske threw down to second but it wasn't in time, allowing Duda to score from third and make it a 4-0 game.
D.J. Carrasco pitched a perfect fifth and sixth innings for the Mets, and Bobby Parnell struck out 5 batters in his two innings of work behind Carrasco en route to earning the win.
Francisco Rodriguez pitched a scoreless ninth to complete the two-hit shutout.
Atlanta managed only two hits all night, the Alex Gonzalez double and a pinch hit single from Brooks Conrad. They also went through a stretch where 18 consecutive batters failed to hit the ball out of the infield. Jason Heyward went 0-2 with a walk in his return to the big league club.
Up next:
Atlanta sends Mike Minor to the mound against R.A. Dickey tomorrow night as they hope to avoid getting swept.
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Pathetic. They never seem prepared at all at the plate… please fire Parrish. Its one of the few changes we can make that might save the season.
People blamed the hitting coach last season too.
So we changed hitting coaches, and our offense is still struggling. Time to consider that maybe it’s not the hitting coach who is the problem.
by Aaron Meier on Jun 16, 2011 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What dude?
To quote Mark Bowman:
The Braves recorded just two hits during an ugly evening that included hail, lightning and two hours and 33 minutes worth of rain delays. It marked the fourth time this year they were limited to two hits or fewer. They were limited to that total five times during the 2009 and ’10 seasons combined.
What’s the single biggest change from last year to this year? The coaching staff. I’m not saying all the blame rests on Parrish’s shoulders but when there is a team-wide slump that coincides with a major coaching overhaul how can you not say those two are related?
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Jun 16, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
IIRC last year the biggest complaint was getting runners in. I think I speak for most Braves fans when I say I’d kill to have that problem again if it meant we were able to play some small ball and manufacture runs. Anything if it meant we didn’t look so lost and unprepared at the plate.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Jun 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely pitiful.
This offense better pull it together tomorrow, because I’m sure we’d all like the Braves to be within striking distance of the Phillies the next time we play them.
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
This.
I fear a sweep. Dickey v. Minor. Ouch.
Over/under: 2.5 runs score by the Bravos tonight. Sadly, I’m taking the under.
As an aside, I’m officially on the “Mather is not a good player” bandwagon. Watching him attempt to hit is painful.
Sometimes, I feel we play better on the road, at least the next team we face is trash…
/groans
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17-15 at home.
This is not what good teams do. Granted we still have a winning record at home but it’s too close to a .500 record. Hopefully this offense pulls it together because, great scott, this pitching staff deserves better. All ready too many high pressure inning added to them.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
it doesn't matter
what the Phillies do if we don’t win our games first
Streaks happen, something to count your blessings about is that bats come and go but, pitching tends to stick around all season. When playoffs come around it won’t matter who hit what or how many HRs a team has collectively, it’s about who’s hot right now.
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jun 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Just like that
We’ve lost three in a row and everybody’s flailing away at the plate like there is a timer on them or something.
"Word on the street is that McCann tried to call Posey to apologize, but that Brian Sabean has taken out a contract on McCann’s life.".- Craig Calcaterra on BMac's overtaking of Posey in the ASG voting.
And to add insult to injury, the Phillies CONTINUE to find ways to win. 2 outs bottom 9, down by 2, and they tie it up, and win in extras.
It’s just rough.
I don't know shit about baseball.
They’re doing what we did to the Marlins and Astros, but it still sucks to lose ground to them. We can only hope the Marlins pull out a win Thursday and the Phillies crap the bed against Felix and Pineda in Seattle.
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by TonyAlmeyda on Jun 16, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I say dump Mather and recall Matt Young. I don’t care if it makes the lineup more lefty-heavy, Mather has been horrible lately.
I can’t wait for Prado to come back. Then we can have some semblance of a respectable lineup.
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i miss Prado
and as much as i like Mather i really thing Matt Young should be on the team he was atleast hitting
Matt Young was hitting?
10 hits in 48 AB, 1 of those hits was an XBH, a double.
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
This crap got so old back in April, yet it continues. How can a team that lead the NL in OBP in 2010 regress so badly in 2011 to the point that they should be happy when they walk or put more than 7 runners on base during a game?
The Parrish effect yet they will stubborn refuse to make a change. “aggressiveness” is going to cost us a season. The Braves act like they don’t even know what OBP is. Fredo even said he barely looks at numbers although to be fair I doubt he could comprehend them. We have one of the laziest, clueless managers in baseball now.
This
Bluntly, it is comments like you quoted that “Fredi barely looks at the numbers” that make me shake my head. Does anyone know how long his contract is? Wow. Regardless of what a change it is from Bobby, this manager is not the right one for any team.
I just hope that Wren is noticing this crap.
Man, I really despise us losing three straight after the last two promising series.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 16, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously,
this is an approach problem. How can a professional baseball team develop such a poor approach at the plate and NOT ADDRESS IT.
Charlie Manuel took his team to task last week, talked plainly about the bad approach his offense was taking. It seems to have helped them.
I hear other coaches say real things about their teams’ performances and I just shake my head, like, “what are they doing? Is this allowed?”
As hard as it is to believe that an organization would spend millions of dollars on talent for a baseball team, and then not address perfectly curable obstacles, it really does happen. Sometimes over and over again. They need to wake the **** up.
Before it's all said and done
We’re going to get at least a few posts full of sabermetric boilerplate about how coaches, like managers and closers, are all interchangeable and don’t really matter.
"Word on the street is that McCann tried to call Posey to apologize, but that Brian Sabean has taken out a contract on McCann’s life.".- Craig Calcaterra on BMac's overtaking of Posey in the ASG voting.
Jeffrey Loria is insane.
Wonder if we could pawn Fredi off on him again?
"Word on the street is that McCann tried to call Posey to apologize, but that Brian Sabean has taken out a contract on McCann’s life.".- Craig Calcaterra on BMac's overtaking of Posey in the ASG voting.
Speaking of people who look insane...
"Word on the street is that McCann tried to call Posey to apologize, but that Brian Sabean has taken out a contract on McCann’s life.".- Craig Calcaterra on BMac's overtaking of Posey in the ASG voting.
Does anyone know anything about the new one? Doesn’t it take a little bit of time for the new batting coach to make a difference?
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 16, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Looks like he has plenty of of baseball credibility. Coaching, of course, is as much about relationship as it is about technical ability. Can he actually coach hitting remains to be seen. Early returns do not look promising, it seems.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 16, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I am looking for the report saying the braves did a rain dance
Further saturating the infield to the point where mets were sliding all over the IF….
We have to be able to beat this team. Period. I r disappoint,
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
hmm
so we beat the marlins and they fire their hitting coach
we beat the astros and they fire their pitching coach
we’ve lost this series to the mets . . . . . who’s our team firing?
In all seriousness, it’s not just Parrish. There was an article that talked about how Fredi AND Parrish wanted the Braves offense to be more aggressive. So I doubt we will see Parrish gone unless Fredi’s mentality has changed.
I wonder if Fredi goes around his house
Trying to fix things that aren’t broken?
"Word on the street is that McCann tried to call Posey to apologize, but that Brian Sabean has taken out a contract on McCann’s life.".- Craig Calcaterra on BMac's overtaking of Posey in the ASG voting.
No he uses everything “aggressively” and wonders why stuff gets broken.
by Ultada on Jun 16, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wish we had an LOL smiley.
That was good.
"Word on the street is that McCann tried to call Posey to apologize, but that Brian Sabean has taken out a contract on McCann’s life.".- Craig Calcaterra on BMac's overtaking of Posey in the ASG voting.
Rec'd for truth.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I don’t think firing Parrish will solve anything; just look at the Marlins. Everyone just needs to look at last year and pick out what worked for them. This group of hitters (except maybe Mather) is too good to suck this much at hitting.
But since you mentioned firing coaches, maybe the Braves can get Larry Sr.?
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
i feel like
the Larry Sr. for hitting coach discussion comes up every year when we leave Houston
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while."
well
Half of our team is rookies and they are more likely to listen to their manager than Chip.
by drumzalicious on Jun 16, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I have been saying. Parrish is a symptom. Fredi is the cause.
by BravesFaninAZ on Jun 16, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Parrish cant hit for them
These are big boys, they know their job. Think about it, when do you see a player sit down and talk to the hitting coach after an at bat? Was it after he struck out? Hell no, he sits at the other end of the dug out when that happens. Parrish can only help people willing to listen, if he followed them around the dug out after every at bat, he would drive them crazy. Blaming the coach for a player not hitting is not the answer. Now blaming Fredi for making stupid pitching changes or bad play calls during a game, yeah, I can see that, but these guys are supposed to be professional athletes, and aside from bunt calls or hit and run calls, I cant see blaming the coach for the player not doing his job. They wouldn’t fire my boss if I didnt get my work done, unfortunately……
I agree with what you're saying, but
It seems to me they’re going up to the plate with NO strategy. Isn’t it the hitting coach’s job to prepare his team for an opposing team’s pitching staff? Yeah, Parrish isn’t out there swinging at ball four in the dirt but he certainly can have an impact. Especially when EVERYONE is struggling.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Jun 16, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaand we’re somehow still tied for the Wild Card lead after the crapshow that was the last three games.
It’s so hard to believe that we have the fourth-best record in the NL and sixth-best record in the majors given the way we just completely shut down at times.
Also, I may look this up later, but we have got to be on a record-setting pace for “worst offensive performance in losses.”
Sadly...
Our pitching has been “awful” the last few games. Heaven forbid an opposing team scores 3-4 runs! OH NOES!
After last night’s game, I believe Fredi alluded to the feeling, right now, that a 3-run deficit seems tough to overcome. I’ll look for the quote, but I hate our coach expressing the feeling we all have. Shouldn’t our team have more faith in themselves?
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Quote (from David O'Brien's blog)
You give up four runs and you feel like it’s a big mountain to climb right now, the way we’re not scoring runs.
Awesome. I’m glad the team is confident in its ability to score runs…
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First game all year
That I didn’t watch a single pitch. I did Tivo the game.. Should I go back and watch it? Box score is pretty fugly.
You won’t really miss much.
We literally did nothing. Huddy/C-Mart/EOF had some good frames. Huddy allowed an XBH to Reyes and 2-run homer to Pagan. That was about as much of “doing” anything noteworthy that happened all game. We got two hits and struck out 12 times against Gee and a pretty bad bullpen. Our two hits were from Sea Bass and Conrad.
by Ivan the Great on Jun 16, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting REALLY sick of this...
Starting to get fed up with this offensive ineptitude. Every game I watch, as soon as we go down 1-0, I immediately start thinking “yep… there’s the game right there.”
I know the feeling.
I may not necessarily give up on the game when it’s 1-0 in the third. When it’s 3-0 by the sixth, I start checking out what’s on other channels. If there is a bright spot right now it’s that they have managed two go on some winning streaks here and there with a depleted offense. Prado can’t come back soon enough.
As indicate above...
The problem is not that we feel this way.
It’s that our team feels this way.
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Hilariously, we are currently in line for a playoff spot of some sort despite going the entire season so far being unable to hit our way out of a paper bag.
I just feel like that needs to be reiterated to add some perspective on how ridiculous this season has been so far.
by Ivan the Great on Jun 16, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
If only we had
the Red Sox offense combined with our pitching, I don’t think we would of lost a game so far. Our Run differential would be +123
If I sound bitter...
It’s because I went to that crap-fest last night. Horrible game.
At least I got a bobblehead. Let me ask bobblehead Heyward a question: is our offense pathetic right now?
/bobble Heyward simply nods.
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Also, maybe Duda should worry more about...
his .139 average and .214 OBP and less about fans singing Camptown Races…
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/26468/duda-not-a-fan-of-camptown-races
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ha
The bobbleheads of this year are slightly smaller than those of prior years. Call it a minor gripe, but when the Jason Heyward bobblehead is slightly dwarfed by the Brian McCann, Bobby Cox, Tim Hudson, and former Texas Rangers Moneygrubbing guy bobbleheads, it just doesn’t look right.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Interesting.
I don’t have any of the previous bobbles, but I plan on getting all three this year.
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We have the best road record
in the NL.
Our home record is middle of the pack…
At least the rest of the country gets to see us play well!
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Kind of like 09.
Hopefully we get Prado back a week sooner than planned, and stay in the wild card race (and the division race)
My theory is the Mets start losing again after they leave Atlanta. They seem to have a chip on their shoulder, and are trying to “prove themselves” against the Braves, as we suck right now.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 16, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
p.s.
We need to bring up Young, if anything else.
Let Mather start hitting for someone else, as that would be what would happen.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 16, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
So is it as some posters have past said, that we only hit poor pitching? Or are we just streaky with the offense? Was the pitching against us that good last night? I know that sometimes a pitcher with a poor record can have a great night.
Well, I hope they shake it off, and start hitting again.
We only hit pitching that is kind of bad, but in an established way, not in a “this guy is bad and that’s why he rarely pitches way.” And if it’s a bad soft-tossing lefty, then we can’t hit him anyway.
The offense, I would say, is not so much “streaky” as “meh.” It’s not incredibly hot and then incredibly cold, it’s just usually crappy and occasionally puts together a few good games. But there need to be both kinds of streaks for it to be streaky.
Gee is pretty solid, but there’s no excuse for getting shut down by their ’pen.
by Ivan the Great on Jun 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to maintain optimism...
It seems like good offensive teams tend to have a couple of streaky hitters and 3-4 consistent (even if not great) hitter. The streaky hitters get hot and carry the team for a week or two while the consistent guys set the table. I think this team currently has two hitters capable of the get hot/carry side of that equation. One is on the DL and the other gets at least one day off every week. The consistent/table setter side is almost non-existent.
This puts the Braves’ pitchers in the position of looking at almost every inning as a high-pressure inning. A couple of seeing-eye hits and one mistake and the game is in serious doubt if not lost. It presents opposing pitchers with the opposite scenario. They get in comfortable grooves.
I honestly don’t know how this team has managed to keep pace, but thank God they have. I think the hitting has the potential to come around at least to the point where the Braves could be this year’s Giants in the second half.
Potential.
by MississippiBrave on Jun 16, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
All you stats guys make a tent....
Heyward is batting 2nd tonight.
"Baseball is the only place in life where a sacrifice is really appreciated."
Come on, people.
Cheer up just a little. Reading this thread you would thing we are in last place or something. Will y’all ever learn about the nature of baseball? When we finally get some people back and start hitting like everybody knows we are capable of, you will look back at some of the gloomy stuff you’ve written and feel silly. Hopefully, at least.
Don’t be these guys.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
We all need to just calm down
Baseball runs in streaks. You go hot, you go cold. That goes for hitters, and entire teams alike. We’re still several games above .500, and our team is a MASH unit. I guess its hard for these guys to get into a good rhythm when the lineup is different everday as Fredi tries to find patches to cover our wounds. Once this team gets healthy, and we get into a groove, I belive you’ll find that we make some major strides. Have faith ppl. We haven’t even reached the ASB yet, there’s a lot of baseball left.
Melky was a fail, but that was Melky’s fault, or the fault of Atlanta for having awesome cheeseburgers and ribs.
by Broccoman on Feb 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST
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