Rosterbation Thread: Prospect Swap Edition
by ryan c on May 7, 2011 12:44 PM EDT
Email
Print
The other rosterbation thread is dead as a doornail and a recent Fanpost has TC'ers rosterbating over Jesus Montero. We all know the story with our SP logjam. Currently, we have 5 SP at the Major League Level pitching lights out, 3 at AAA pitching lights out, and Randall Delgado pitching very well at AA. Oberholtzer and Hoover are also pitching well, and we have another SP candidate available come August (Medlen). There is obviously a surplus of SP talent that will need to be addressed soon. So, my question is, what Top Prospect, or SP, of ours would you swap for another organization's Top Prospect? Here is a link to 2011's Top Prospects.
This FanPost does not express the views or opinions of Talking Chop.
214 comments
|
6 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I would take Freeman for Hosner, maybe using some SP depth if KC wanted to go for it this year.
Freeman+ JJ maybe for Hosner+ another prospect?
This is crazy.
For one KC has too much minor league talent to want to “go for it this year,” (then again, Dayton Moore is crazy). Right now, they’re still clinging to a winning record because of the huge bubble of the luck dragon. They’re not going to remain competitive all season-Jeff Francoeur will regress, Melky Cabrera will probably regress, and Alex Gordon almost certainly has a big regression coming.
Secondly, Eric Hosmer basically IS Freddie Freeman. Same kind of power, same kind of contact rates, maybe just a tiny hair better plate discipline. The only reason people think he’s awesome right now is because posted a BABIP of .500 in AAA to date. Which is crazy. Trading the two of them straight up is insane because we own the one who is farther along in his development.
My only arguement
Is that in your last sentence, you chose to go with insane instead of crazy.
by thenightstallion on May 7, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was a little better Freeman.
that said, if I was KC, and leading the division in July/August- I’d make a trade for a SP, though I wouldn’t sell the entire farm to do it. I don’t think they will, and let’s face it, we make a real good trading partner for KC if they decide to go for it- with our excess SP- we can gain some real good prospects while not hurting the ballclub.
You’re right about it being luck, but it’s the AL Central, so wacky things happen.
As for Freeman, I have concerns he’ll bolt in FA to the Angels. That’s 5 years down the road though, and probably not a real consideration.
Excellent point on Hosmer and Freeman being basically the same player. Yet for some reason everyone has been enamored with Hosmer, even though Freddie’s played better younger at higher levels.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
funny
they’re still clinging to a winning record because of the huge bubble of the luck dragon.
actually, their BABIP is the second lowest in the AL so far this year.
Alex Gordon almost certainly has a big regression coming
you got proof that it is?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 8, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Alex Gordon career BABIP: .301
Alex Gordon 2011 BABIP: 368
That much is coming back down to earth. Additionally, I don’t believe in Jeff Francoeur, just because his pitch recognition doesn’t seem any better than it has in previous years. Melky Cabrera might have a reasonable chance at maintaining what he’s doing, if he’s actually in shape this year, but he’s still not all that great. Francoeur’s been the best player on their team so far, clearly…I honestly don’t think any team is meant to go very far when THAT is true.
Beyond that, they’re also getting a lot out Wilson Betemit and his .412 BABIP, which won’t last. I do like Mike Aviles, and Billy Butler, but I don’t much care for their pitching, or really much else. They’ve won a lot of close games with a very suspect bullpen. I think you’re seeing a bit of correction, and they’ll be well below .500 by the all-star break.
I'm actually in favor of this
But not for Jesus Montero. You don’t see a lot of prospect/prospect swaps, but we’re so inundated with pitching in our system that we’ve just got everyone blocked. Mike Minor is already major league ready or at least damn close to it, and he doesn’t have a roster spot. Julio Teheran is going to be ready by the end of the season. Randall Delgado is not very far behind. Plus we’ve got Oberholtzer and Hoover. By the end of the season, we’re going to have guys who are blocked in AA because there won’t be room for them in our AAA rotation unless a trade is made.
We’re a contending team, and our five starters are doing well, so we probably won’t trade any of the midseason (unless it’s Derek Lowe, but then, we’ve been hoping for move Lowe for a long time). Assuming we can’t move Lowe, we need to consider exchanging some of our organizational pitching depth and trying to get something useful in return. What our system needs, really at all levels, is OF. There’s only one OF prospect in our entire system that I have any hope for, and that’s Jordan Schafer-and it’s not a ton of hope, honestly. We don’t even have a reasonable back-up at CF on our big league roster.
So, essentially, I’d consider moving Randall Delgado for a comparable OF prospect. Or maybe something like Delgado + JJ Hoover + Stephen Marek for Wil Myers. Something like that. I might also call the Padres just to see what they want for Cameron Maybin.
Delgado for Ben Revere (CF in the Twins AAA)
is the one prospect swap I’d suggested. They could use another elite, cost controlled arm, we need a CF. We can spare the arm, and they can spare the CF with Span signed to a cheap, long term deal.
And absolutely, I’d be willing to deal a P for a long term position player, be it an elite, near ready 3B or SS, or a long term answer for CF or for LF. Lowe, Jurrjens, Beachy, Hoover, Oberholtzer, Lopez, Redmond, Clemens, Spruill, Vizcaino, and of course, Kawakami, are pitchers I’d be willing to part with alone, or in combination, if it brought back a potential answer for questions at 3B, SS, LF, or CF.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I like this
I would throw out Desmond Jennings, but I doubt we line up very well with the Rays as trade partners because they may be the only club deeper in pitching than us. Ben Revere sounds intriguing, especially if it were to only cost us Delgado.
More overrating Revere
Who rests somewhere between Jason Tyner and Juan Pierre, but more toward the Tyner end. Most Twins evaluators have really soured on him, stating he’s a likely 4th outfielder.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Yeah, from what I’ve heard he’s a starting CFer, as you typically punt offense from that position anyway, or a 4th OFer on the corners. I guess everyone has lost hope that he’ll figure it out on offense which has dropped his stock quite a bit, but he’d still be one of the best defenders in the league.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 9, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I would trade Hoover for Revere not Delgado
Revere will hit for a good average and won’t strike out a lot but he doesn’t draw a lot of walks either. He creates chaos on the basepaths but he has to get on to use his speed. Also he has very little pop in his bat. I wouldn’t trade Delgado for Revere
by Braves24 on May 8, 2011 8:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say JJ is just too good. Beachy is the man.
Vizcaino, Lowe, Harrilchak for Mike Trout. A postseason savvy veteran, An injury (shhhh!) prone stud prospect, and a good developing prospect pitcher and OF for a big time future outfielder. It think we could get Gonzo type rents until Salcedo is ready at SS, (he’s having a good year so far). At third, Joe Leonard & Hoover & maybe Oberholtzer (some guy not named Jurrgens, Hanson, Delgado, Minor, Beachy) for Mike Moustakas or Lonnie Chisenhall. So now, we have a star 3B, OF, and SS in Moustakas, Trout, and Delgado. The farm took a hit, but now we can just do what the organization has done- put a gold mine of pitching through the draft and signings. This overflow can allow for a little bit of uneven trading to make the major league team great. We’ll still have the depth, just not the unnecessary overflow.
I love phenoms. Some of my favorite include Frason Freeward, Bratt Rymes, and Isaaron Murrell.
by Cody Arrington on May 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
There is exactly 0% chance of either of those deals happening.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 11, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Myers is a good bat to go after but I don’t think he will be traded because KC lacks OF prospects, like us, and he is part of the Dayton Moore’s Youth Movement
by Braves24 on May 8, 2011 8:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another consideration
Lowe+ Pastrornicky for Nunez? Would the Yankees bite at that?
We get huge salary relief, and a SS of the immediate future- Yankees get the SP they need and a serviceable Jeter backup.
Maybe if we need some RH relief help they’d throw in Joba, who they’re trying to get rid of?
I’d even consider
Lowe+Prado+Pastornicky for Nunez+Gardner+Joba
I love Prado , but I think Gardner’s a better fit. I’m not a big fan of Joba, but I’d assume he’s better then Linebrick, and we need some RH relief help now with the injuries.
If Chipper retires, I’d re-sign A-Gon and move Nunez in this scenario to 3B, and/or sign Infante back as a FA.
I doubt Nuñez is available.
If I recall correctly, the Yanks refused to throw him into the Lee trade last year. He is a plus defender with plus speed. I frankly think he is overated, because he is a contact hitter with little patience and won’t have much value with the bat. For some reason, he has earned the title of “heir to Jeter” and I just don’t want to get involved in that. Why not just keep SeaBass and move Prado to third and go to the scrap yard for a LF next offseason, if Chip even retires.
SS is one of the areas where the Braves do have some potential in the minors.
Also, I’m not sure why Gardner is a “better fit” than Prado.
SS is a deep position in the minors...
But Pastornicky is our only prospect beyond A+ ball. We do need a short term solution, but I think that I’d be happier with SeaBass. If we were to swap Prado for Gardner, our offense would take a huge hit. Most of Gardner’s value comes from his defense, and ZIPs ROS has Gardner pegged for a .353 OBP. That’s not bad, but considering it’s his only real offensive threat, its a little scary. In fact, his career OBP is .355, so last year may have been a fluke.
seriously
I don’t get why anyone is trying to trade Prado… He is the solution to our 3b problem, plus he is a perfect 2 hole hitter. Not to mention Gardner has been atrocious this year.
Yeah, I’m fine with Gonzo for the next 2-3 years. Even after that I wouldn’t mind keeping him around on our bench as a defensive replacement/PHer.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 9, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could somehow pull this off!
Angels get:
Jair Jurrjens – SP
Randall Delgado – SP
J.J. Hoover – SP
Cash
Braves get:
Mike Trout – CF
Something like this – meaning, multiple ML ready pitchers for a truly elite, top prospect position player, although not necessarily a Trout – seems like exactly the type of opportunity that Wren should try to seek out or create.
Looking at our abundance of talented young pitchers as a “problem” of having too many is absolutely ridiculous. What it is really is a very amazing opportunity for a bold franchise-defining move, not a “problem” needing a fix.
No way they trade Trout
He isn’t Heyward status as a prospect…but he’s damn good
Steak, Shrimp, Liquor, and Pasta
A lot of good may have worked for Heyward
What about KK, Vizcaino, Lowe, Mycal Jones, Matt Lipka. They can squeeze Lowe and his postseason ability into that deep rotation, add KK to the depth. Our best straight up outfield prospect and out 1st pick that may be a CF anyways. MAYBE throw in Hoover and push it and if all else fails instead of Hoover give them Delgado in the first package. I’m pretty sure I would take two big pitching prospects, 2 veterans, a best organizational OF prospect and first round pick for Heyward two years ago, just not now. Heck, maybe they would like Nate too.. I could consider that. Put a big dent in the farm but we got the CF. I’m pretty sure this guy with Harper and Heyward are gonna be scary in a few years. Maybe that’s too much. You guys’ take?
I love phenoms. Some of my favorite include Frason Freeward, Bratt Rymes, and Isaaron Murrell.
by Cody Arrington on May 10, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They wouldn't want Lowe at his salary with a strong rotation already...
and certainly wouldn’t want Kawakami too. Also, I’m pretty sure we can’t trade Lipka for several months, unless it’s as a “player to be named later”, because draft picks have to be signed for a full year before they can be included in a trade.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
.....
This is absurdly homeristic. FIrstly, Trout isn’t going anywhere. Secondly, you are suggesting that Angels would take two years of JJ plus a sub-50 prospect in Delgado plus a middling prospect for the number one prospect in the entire game? If you even want to think about Trout, the offer has to start with Teheran. Even then, there is no way it happens.
Hit reply next time
And this is my rosterbation fantasy! If the Braves would’ve been offered Cole Hamels, Kyle Drabek(when he was with the Phils), Trevor May and Cash for Heyward when he was in AA I guarantee the Braves would’ve considered it!
MMMMM doubt it
Only because it is within the division. I see what you did there though.
Riiiiight
Because 2 years of JJ is totally worthless. I think you are WAYYY over-valuing the “top prospect in baseball” title. You realize that title changes hands almost every year right? And, fact of the matter, is that the Angels have a good 1-2 punch in their rotation but aren’t very good after that. JJ would immediately be their 3rd starter in the playoffs and it’s not like Delgado’s ceiling is going to be a “sub-50” prospect. Next year, he will probably be top-20 I’d guess, if he continues like he has been going.
Sure it changes hands every year...
because prospects graduate. And I think you are “WAYYY” undervaluing the value of six cost controlled years of a 5-tool outfielder. The Angels are frankly old in their outfield with Wells and Hunter, both of whom are immovable because of their contracts. They could use a youth infusion. Think about it this way…would you have given up J-Hey last year for a number 3 starter, a mid-50s prospect (who might increase in value), and a low-ceiling workhorse? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
sub-50 prospect in Delgado
What rankings are you looking at?
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
Not looking?
Keith Law-51 Baseball Prospectus-58 I will say that BA had him at 35 and Hulet had him at 41, but that is far from a unanimous opinion. It isn’t unreasonable to call him a sub-top 50 prospect, although he may tend to be closer to a 40s type guy. I threw out a quick judgment, and it appears to lie in the middle of a varied group of experts whose work I frequently read.
by OrangeBravo on May 8, 2011 2:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This may be true
…but also realize that a few of the players on those lists have already graduated to the majors and many more will before the midseason lists start coming out. Delgado is almost certain to be top 50 unanimously in midseason lists.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Desmond Jennings and Hak-Ju Lee for any 4 guys in our system not named Teheran
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
I have to be honest, Desmond Jennings is the most underwhelming “top prospect” I’ve ever seen play.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
Interesting what you were saying about Jennings below. I might have to redact my statement. Still love Lee though, really fun to watch and good skills for a 20 yo.
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
by jeg on May 8, 2011 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions
his past 2 weeks have been monsterour
what did you expect, Barry Bonds?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 21, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hak-Ju Lee
is a quality name right there
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on May 8, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I got to watch desmond jennings play the other night in Durham...
man he is so freaking good…I wish he was in our system
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on May 7, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
You're in the minority this year then
By and large, the scout-types who have seen him are all saying similar things to cb about him. Old for league, not looking all that impressive, and even some regression statements by various scouts I’ve read on Twitter and listened to on podcasts.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
I hadn’t been impressed with him in previous years but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt cause he was always hurt. He’s healthy now and just isn’t that great. Doesn’t work the count and strikes out a lot. Fast but not exceptionally fast. Takes bad routes in the outfield and has a pathetic arm. And honestly doesn’t seem very interested when he’s in the field. I will say he’s got great double power, and I do think he could be a decent Major League regular, but he’s certainly nothing special. A bottom of the order every day outfielder.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
Defense
His D seems to be where he’s getting the most knocks in things I read, which was considered a high plus for him in his scouting coming into the year. Living in the upper midwest, there’s basically no way to see a player like that without having to travel at least 10 hours, so I haven’t seen with my own eyes, but I’ve seen video and read lots of reports that say that defense is not only not elite, it may not even be league average, which really takes away a lot of his value as a player with a subpar power bat that needs great speed and defense to have the value on the field to match his prospect rankings. This is the third year he’ll rack up at least 100 PA at AAA and he’s now “old” for a prospect.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Jennings draws an awful lot of base on balls for someone who doesn’t work the count and has never struck out more than 67 times in a season. Granted its been two years, but I have to say I got quite the opposite impression of him defensively. As far as the power is concerned, I agree with your assessment but his wheels and defense really stood out to me. I know he has had hamstring issues, among others, in the past. Is there any sentiment among the scouts you’ve encountered that the injuries have taken a tole on his legs?
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
by jeg on May 8, 2011 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn’t talked to anyone about him, but I don’t think he’s lost a step, cause he was still getting around the bases great, he just didn’t look like he cared in the OF. And like I said, his routes to the ball were terrible. He’s fast enough to make up for some mistakes, but not smart enough to make up for all of them. As far as the patience, the guy I saw last week was the same guy I saw last year, and even the year before, very little patience and huge hacks. Struck out looking more than you’d like too. I’m not sure how he’s avoided the bug and put up good K/BB numbers, but I’d guess by the end of this year that trend has changed.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
After last night...
if I’m Frank Wren, I absolutely listen to offers for my starting pitching.
If a good prospect for prospect deal comes in, I’d be fine adding a solid position player for one of my arms, knowing I’ve got several, with few needs considering Hanson, Teheran, Kimbrel, and Venters in the front and back, plus the tendency of pitcher’s flaming out vs. hitters and the way the system lacks certain positions more than arms.
But more than that, I’d be comfortable taking any strong offer for Jurrjens with Minor and Teheran obviously on the cusp of being ready. And I’d pursue anyone willing to take all of Lowe and his remaining salary, even if it brings back just a solid reliever or bench piece. Come on Cashman, send us Gardner or Joba for Lowe.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
So what position prospects would you look at
For system depth/addition, what guys would you target by dangling Jurrjens/Beachy out there?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
For Jurrjens or Beachy?
Jurrjens with a couple year of high quality would ask for more, but both would need to be multiple quality prospects.
With Bethancourt struggling, a C might not be a bad idea. A near ready SS would obviously be of need with Gonzalez a free agent at the end of the year, same with a near ready 3B considering Chipper’s age/injury past. And of course, a strong LF or CF could also be of use, with McLouth a pending free agent and Prado able to go back to the IF. We lack a leadoff man for the order, and who couldn’t use more big bats?
I’d ask a lot for Jurrjens, not so much for Beachy, but if it’s just prospects, it’d need to be multiple, and positionally you’d want a C (like Gary Sanchez or Austin Romine?), SS, 3B (especially with a big bat from the right), CF, and LF (particularly a potential leadoff man or big bat from the right), and if they have a good pitching prospect we like who can come with the position prospect/s,
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I didn't preface, sorry
The reason I asked Jurrjens/Beachy as I see them being the arms that can be moved for the most reward at this time. I could see Lowe going for a B-level package from the Yankees or maybe the Rangers or Red Sox if they’re not happy where they’re at in their rotation, but moving Jurrjens or Beachy with the glut of arms ready could be monstrous for the team going forward, and they’re both cheap enough to garner interest around the league
I look at something like a Jennings/Lee reward (yes, I know I knocked him as not an elite prospect, but he should still be a good regular for some time) from the Rays, Alonso/Cozart from the Reds, or maybe even seek out Stephen Drew from the D-backs and perhaps Marc Krauss/Mark Davidson/Bobby Borchering as a second piece by making it Jurrjens/Beachy plus a solid minor league arm as well, like a Hoover or Spruill.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Lowe for Slade Heathcott or Cito Culver from the Yanks sound good to me
by Braves24 on May 8, 2011 8:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Drew for Jurrjens has been my pet for a while...
as mvhs will attest.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Even if Bethancourt goes bust, I think we still have plenty of time to develop or acquire another catcher before McCann is done. No reason to worry about C depth at this point.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 9, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for two years...
with McCann and Ross around. But one ugly play can end McCann’s career, as ugly collissions have done for several catchers in the past. So if we could bring in a guy like Romine, who is still a year or two away and unlikely to lose much trade value (in case we wanted to flip him for another player), or Sanchez who has similar big upside like Bethancourt and could give a great competition between the two (both are in A Ball, and could split time saving wear and tear while competing with another highly talented backstop to prove themselves), then I think you’d do it. Jesus Sucre could be a good defensive backup, and we’ve got others in the system that could become MLB players, but it doesn’t hurt to have a deep pool of MLB quality Cs to cover for injuries or as trade pieces.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Yeah, but we have much greater needs right now than a “just in case Mac has a freak career-ending injury” backup to use our surpluss on.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 9, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree...
but then I wasn’t saying which need is greater or lesser, just that it could be construed as a need. IMO, the pending holes at SS, 3B/LF, and CF are much greater than a possible hole at C. But that wasn’t the question I was responding to. Biggentleben asked simply where do I think the system needs to improve/add depth, and that’s my response. I understand we’re set at the big league level with McCann and Ross, but look at what else we have, Sucre, Boscan, Bethancourt wouldn’t inspire confidence and certainly doesn’t compare to the Yankees’ embarassment of riches there with Montero, Romine, Sanchez, etc in their minors.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
JJ for
Jurrickson Profar and Mike Olt (TEX)
Profar: Outstanding defense at SS, very young for his level, not sure how the hitting will develop but flashes a lot of promise and should be an average hitter at worst.
Olt: Fine glove at third base, should post a strong OBP, home run power still a bit of a question. Expect him to be a solid regular.
The Lowe to Yankees for Gardener.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 8, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
love Profar, he's another Elvis Andrus
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on May 8, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
again. stop with the Trout stuff. He’s their Heyward. He’s young. I doubt they’d trade Trout for anyone and if it was it would HAVE to START with Teheran.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 8, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Teheran might get him, Hanson almost certainly would.
by Sidbreamsknees on May 9, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
A prospect for prospect trade is a bad idea. If I"m trading an unproven commodity I want something proven back, not something else unproven. The whole point of moving a prospect is you’ve sold somebody on potential.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
A guy I've always been enamored with is Michael Taylor
The former Phillies prospect who went to Oakland in the Halladay/Lee swaps. Despite a down year in 2010 and not playing this year due to a sprained wrist, he’s a guy I really like. Even with his down 2010, he’s got a line in the minors of .301/.373/.480 – .853 and seems like a smart baserunner (60/81 on steals) with 20HR power.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
he's proven to be a Quad
doubt we need/want him.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 12, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He's proven to be a quad?
He’s never been to the majors and is just 25.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
by Jake Humphrey on May 12, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Jose Iglesias really bad
Keith Law called him “the best defensive SS prospect I’ve ever seen”
Braves get:
SS Jose Iglesias
Red Sox get:
SP Mike Minor
SS Tyler Pastornicky
Maybe that would be giving up too much, but the guy is basically major-league ready
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to that
They already got Lowrie
People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange
I WANT LOWRIE!
dang it. none of this Iglesias crap. Let Boston keep him.
I am a broken record at this point but w/ Lowrie’s flexibility, I absolutely love what he’d bring to our team. If ANY of our IF went down w/ an injury, this kid could take their place without missing a beat.
I don’t know what it would cost, but it almost certainly would be worth it.
by Klemson Krash on May 9, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy's glove is major-league ready.
His bat is nowhere close.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
by Jake Humphrey on May 8, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Simmons is in high-A
Whereas Iglesias would probably be a full-time starter in the Majors by next year
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on May 8, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
His bat is nowhere close
I think that’s being a little harsh.
He hit .295/.339/.379 between A+ and AA last year, with 35 runs scored and 7 steals (this was while missing two months with a broken finger).
Sure, the power isn’t there, but that’s not the type of player he’ll be.
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on May 8, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not harsh at atll.
His bat isn’t close to being ready. He’s striking out 21% of the time and walking in only 4.5% of his plate appearances. Runs scored don’t help your argument since they’re dependent on what the hitters behind you are doing. And while he did have a .295/.339/.379 line between A+ and AA last year, he only hit .285/.315/.357 at AA.
His bat isn’t close to being ready.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
by Jake Humphrey on May 9, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
his .iso is Belliardian.
you sure you want a black hole #8 hitter AGAIN?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 12, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Low .iso != "black hole."
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
I'd also love to get Ben Revere
Braves Get:
OF Ben Revere
RHP Carlos Gutierrez
Twins Get:
Arodys Vizcaino
Brett Butts
Mycal Jones
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
Woah!!!!
WAY TOO MUCH for Revere. He’s just not that good. He’s nowhere near worth that sort of package. Revere is a below average starter and an above average 4th outfielder. That will be his niche unless he takes some monstrous steps with the bat. I’d rather pursue any of Benson/Hicks/Arcia/Kepler from the Twins many times over before pursuing Revere.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Jair Jurrjens and Jordan Schafer for Colby Rasmus
That is all.
I’ve got Jack Johnson and Tom O’Leary waiting for ya, right here
I think this may be possible now
Their pitching isn’t that good but they have good hitting right now so they might be willing to do it!
I’d just offer Hanson for Rasmus straight-up, and sign JJ long-term (4 yrs/$30 maybe) this offseason.
I think Hanson is overvalued, and JJ is undervalued (both are very good, but I think the perception is Hanson> JJ, when I think it is Hanson = JJ)
Tommy Hanson is the one that’s undervalued because of people like you who bought it into the ridiculous hype and now have a faulty perception of how well he’s pitched in his career.
Hanson is just now in his 24 year old season. He’s thrown 371.1 innings, with 8 K/9, 2.74 BB/9, 0.65 HR/9, 3.10 ERA and a 3.32 FIP.
Hanson is also five years away from free agency while Jurrjens is three. You’d be making a massive mistake dude.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
I thought Hanson was 4 years away.
I think JJ and Hanson have similar ceilings, but people think Hanson’s ceiling is higher. that’s all I’m saying. I’m not calling Hanson a piece of crap, he’s a very good pitcher- who has a chance to become an elite pitcher.
I tend to think in terms of comparative advantage, and what could give the biggest upgrade as compared to downgrading by swapping a current starter for Minor. (I’m assuming Lowe’s spot gets taken by Teheran)
I also think Rasmus would take Hanson, and I’d only trade Hanson for an All-Star calibre, cost-controlled position player.
Four years after this one…2009 was just a fraction of a season, so he’s technically at 1.whatever years of service time currently. He’ll be on the roster continuously for the next five years, including this one, at which point he’ll finally pass the magical 6.0 put-up-or-shut-up FA mark.
Hanson and Heyward have the same walk years…that’s an expensive offseason.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on May 10, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
A big problem
JJ is injury prone, so lets get the most value out of him while he is healthy. Hanson is a rock and much better to keep around for a stable rotation.
Anyone know anything about Alexander Presley?
I’m looking around the web and came across his name. He’s stuck in Pittsburgh’s AAA as a CF w/ on base ability and some speed.. I really don’t know much about him other than he’s not a “top prospect” but according to CBS (which is always right as we know)… “Presley has batted over .300 in each of his five years of pro ball and is on pace for a career campaign in 2011.”
With Pitt being flush w/ OFers and us having a need, would there be interest in picking him up and throwing a SP their way? I wouldn’t imagine it would take too much to pick up the 25 year old.
Just saw him play again this week. He’s really small, Like 5’9" 165, so he has pretty much no power. He’s pretty fast, but he’s not really a smart baserunner and he’s actually a fairly weak fielder, takes bad routes and has a very weak arm. He’s gotten very good at slapping the ball around and beating out hits, which is a long way from where he was a few years ago. I’d say he’s improved as much as any player I’ve seen in the last few years because I never, ever thought he’d get out of A Ball. But honestly, he’s a so-so player. Still, you’re right, it wouldn’t take much to get him, but you could find better fill-in guys cheaper.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
I’m jealous of the knowledge you’re able to gather and store in your brain. Thanks a ton for the info.
Got any info Josh Reddick? I’ve been reading a bit about some AAA OF types who are blocked at the majors…
by Klemson Krash on May 9, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Josh a lot. Honestly, he’s a slightly bigger version of Jordan Schafer. He can play center, but he’s much better in RF. He’s got a great arm and he’s a very good defender. He’s got a little more pop than Jordan, but he’s also not as good at getting on base. He’s one of those tweener guys who isn’t great at anything but it pretty good at a lot of stuff. He’s definitely a guy worth having on a Major League team, either as the 4th outfielder or as a part time starter, especially because he can play all three outfield spots.
I thought the Red Sox messed him up the first half of last season when he was struggling both by calling him up twice even though he was doing terribly and running him out there every day in the leadoff spot in AAA even though he was hitting under .200 into June. He could have benefited from moving down in the order and taking some of the pressure off (cause the pressure is already way too high when you’re with the Red Sox, their fans are nuts).
Honestly though, I don’t see why you’d pick up Reddick when you already have Schafer and have Cory Harrilchak right behind him in AA, they’re all incredibly similar.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
and that’s why I ask those with the knowledge… wow.. I can’t wait to get back to the states this summer and start catching Biscuit games! I’ll only be 4 hours from ATL… 20 Braves games a season is not beyond the realm of imagination if not more! Most definitely getting Biscuit season tix since they are right up the street from base. Hopefully, the Rays can keep producing incredible talent for me to watch.
Since I’m picking your brain on minor league CFers… What are your thoughts on Charlie Blackmon? Colorado’s AAA CF… he seems close to ready for a shot and has speed and power.
by Klemson Krash on May 10, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don’t know much of anything about him, he’s never played in a league I could see. But, he’s a Georgia Tech guy, so I’m sure the Braves have a very thorough book on him.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
Seems to be a fairly interesting prospect
He’s 24, a little older but in AAA posting respectable numbers. Looks to be a bit of a defensive liability (based solely on numbers) but so far through 146 PAs, he’s posted 26 R, 8 2B, 3 3B, 6 HR, 26 RBI, 6 SB (admittedly 4 CS), 12/20 BB/K. .326/.397/.547/.971 BA/OBP/SLG/OPS.
Interesting player w/o having seen him but if he’s a G-Tech guy, obviously you’re right, the Braves probably know something about him. He was drafted three times finally signing w/ the Rockies…
Here’s some info for him from Georgia Tech. Since w’ere rosterbating about prospects, he seems like a decent one and I just don’t know how we match up w/ Colorado.
http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/blackmon_charlie00.html
by Klemson Krash on May 10, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing you have to keep in mind with PCL guys is that the league has some ridiculous parks that lead to inflated offensive numbers, and the Colorado Springs place is the worst. Look at his splits right now, at home he’s hitting .344/.425/.656/.1.083, but on the road he’s hitting .290/.351/.464/.814, which is still nice but probably a lot more telling about his ability.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
Not trade, but I'd like to see...
Wren lock up some of these young players for a while. Freeman and Heyward through arb, if not beyond. Go for Hanson for the next few years, Kimbrel and Venters too if possible. And after making Heyward and Freeman a priority, I’d front load one and back load the other to balance between the two so you don’t have to absorb both growing large around 2015 or so.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Get that cost certainty out of the way, and you can work with a strong projectiong for the next 5 years...
with Uggla locked in, McCann locked in, pick between the cloud of starting options coming up in the system as Hudson ages out, and if you can write in those two for 1B and RF and in the heart of the order, that allows you pretty good cost certainty for a bulk of the roster, and you can play with contracts to fill the remaining needs, perhaps using the balance of front load/back load to keep the payroll at an acceptable level where the Braves have been in the middle of the pack there.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
i like this train of thought... but...
most teams (IIRC) only lock up a couple youngin’ for a long period of time simply because the risk outweighs the benefit. Injuries to one of these guys that turns them into Mike Hampton (in the pitchers case) and I don’t have a hitter off the cuff (other than Schafer but that’s not really fair) but if we lock up too many of them and the injury bug starts biting… doesn’t that limit what we can do as a Franchise?
I love the idea of locking Heyward up for the forseeable future and paying Kimbrel over a reasonable period of time is great too…
I honestly think Venters will fall out in a year or 2 due to overuse (just looking at historic trends)… I don’t WANT this to happen but he’s been a horse for us.
I don’t think we need to jump on Freeman just yet as he is an A+ w/ the glove but he’s still learning (quite quickly I know) on the offensive piece of things. We won’t lose much money to him though w/ the depth around the league at 1B. He’s not quite to must resign status yet.
Hanson vs. JJ vs. Minor vs. Beachy vs. Teheran vs. any of our other “cloud of starting options”… I honestly don’t feel like we need to lock any of them up at this time. Hanson would be nice to pay off his arb years and a FA year or two (if his agent and him are interested) but I don’t see us retaining JJ since we have so many stars coming through the system. That’s not even including what the team drafts this year… Obviously, they will focus on position players, but there’s not many being talked about in this years draft that I’ve seen…
I like that we are spending money in the international market and the draft as I think that is the bread and butter of this team. Yea it sucks to see our talent go to other teams but it’s not like we’re the Expos or Pirates… I think our FA has a great approach and I guess the bottom line of my point here is FW has made some pretty great calls and I trust him to keep it up. I’m not a fan of giving money to all our youngin’s but once in a generation talents like Heyward (and Teheran) deserve some consideration.
by Klemson Krash on May 9, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Hanson and JJ may not get locked up cheaply due to Boras. We’re going to have to trade one of them.
Heyward I’d consider a 10-yr deal or something truly ridiculous. One of JJ/hanson also. We should wait on everyone else one or two years.
I'm on board with this
10 years, $150 million.
CEO and Founder of the Hire Bill Cowher for 2012 Bandwagon.
Pack your bags, TS and JI.
by DolphinNation on May 10, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Locking up Hanson and JJ would be too expensive, and wouldn’t improve the team since we’d be blocking Teheran , Minor, and potentially Delgado and Oberholtzer.
We should lock up one and trade the other. I think Hanson has a little more potential, but JJ has a better shot at maximizing his potential. Also, JJ’s injuries will lower his value, though I don’t think they are long-term concerns. (That’s part of the reason I prefer to trade Hanson and lock up JJ)
JJ’s repeated injuries are a reason to choose Hanson, who’s been steady as a rock. Hanson’s the better player. He’s got the better stuff and JJ is a guy who always seems to outpitch his numbers, something that he may be able to keep up over a long period, but seems unlikely.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
He's also cheaper being that...
JJ will be a free agent after next year, while Hanson will just be hitting his first arb year then.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
JJ has two more years after this one. Hanson’s arbitration period is a bit up in the air because of the potential of a Super 2 designation, according to Cot’s, but JJ would be gone after 2013 while Hanson is scheduled to be a FA after 2015. So two extra years, either way.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on May 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right...
I don’t know why I was thinking this was his 5th season instead of his 4th. Maybe the handful of games for Detroit threw me off. Thanks -C.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Service time is hell-on-wheels to keep track of, but it’s actually one of my strong points of my remembery (feel free to use that word wherever you please).
I always get thrown around in waiver, 40-man/25-man rules and that stuff.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I somehow got it stuck in my head that his first arb year
was last year, not this year. And you know how that goes. After years and years of sticky stuff, stuff sticks in there sometimes, and it just won’t let go. It may be wrong, but it’s still stuck, cause it’s sticky.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
TWSS
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 10, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think JJ’s injury-prone, just injury-unlucky, and his injuries aren’t the type that are season-ending.
I’ll say this- minimum to trade either of them right now for me would be Rasmus.
Seems like the difference between injury prone and injury unlucky is splitting hairs. Either ones ends up with him going on the DL multiple times. Tommy’s never had a hint of something being wrong.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
other than the sore back
but i can’t imagine that not being the case at least one point in any pitchers career
People are like at least I'm not that guy on stage. That guy on stage is like at least I'm not that guy in the looney bin. The guy in the looney bin are like at least I'm an orange
I don’t think there’s any reason to lock Freeman up long term at this point. He’s the most replacable of our young talent.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there any chance
Teheran was brought up to showcase him for a possible trade? I know it seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
It's an interesting thought
Given that we have absolutely no need for him in our rotation. If he could net someone like McCutchen or Rasmus, I’d be all for it.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
The Pirates would only take Teheran for McClutchen. They wouldn’t want JJ or Hanson as they’re too close to FA.
Huh?!
I can almost bet my last dollar that the Pirates would take Hanson for McCutchen!
I think you'd lose that dollar...
and the Pirates would lose their fanbase…
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
Hanson >>> Teheran in terms of pure value. I see what you’re saying with Teheran being younger and under team control for more years but Hanson is still more valuable. I’d say they’d probably take a package based around Teheran over Hanson.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
I don’t know how you can actually qualify this statement, other than to simply say it’s your opinion.
Hanson may > Teheran, or Teheran may > Hanson. There’s no way to know until they’re both up and pitching in the big leagues permanently. Even then, you’d have to compare previous Hanson seasons to Teheran’s current ones (unless current Teheran is > than current Hanson when they’re both throwing big-league innings).
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I’m not comparing upsides, just their trade values at this point in time.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
In that regard, I agree completely. A star starting pitcher will always be more valuable than a phenom prospect starting pitcher.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on May 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh c'mon
Teheran could land any single prospect in baseball his self. You would have to give Bryce Harper or Mike Trout, Mike Moustakas, or Grant Green a look if you were to rid of Teheran or Hanson. But ridding of Teheran is just too stupid. We’re talking Carpenter/ Wainright type top 2, but wayyyyyy deeper 3-5. Without him the rotation loses a lot of dominance for the future that would be replaced with pure 3.50 ERA type solid guys.
I love phenoms. Some of my favorite include Frason Freeward, Bratt Rymes, and Isaaron Murrell.
by Cody Arrington on May 10, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You might disagree with me on the fact that Teheran is expendable, but I’m not so sure about my opinion “just stupid”. Our pitching depth is incredible across the board and it makes sense to deal from a position of strength if you get the value in return. We have guys like Carlos Perez and Randall Delgado lower in the system right now that also have huge upsides.
Even though JT is the top pitching prospect in baseball, history tells us he’s far from a sure thing in the majors. Guys like Rasmus and McCutchen have proven they can produce in the majors and still have upside equal to or greater than Teheran’s.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
To reinforce my point
Check out some of the topping pitching prospects from 2007 (BA rankings). Sure, a few are aces, but many flamed out and are fighting for their roster spots right now.
1. Daisuke Matsuzaka
4. Phil Hughes
5. Homer Bailey
10. Andrew Miller
11. Tim Lincecum
16. Yovani Gallardo
20. Mike Pelfrey
21. Matt Garza
23. Adam Miller
24. Clayton Kershaw
30. Franklin Morales
31. Scott Elbert
32. Luke Hochevar
….need I continue? You can speculate all you want about how invisible our rotation would be with Teheran, but to assume that he’s a proven commodity is naive.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
I would love an invisible rotation...
there’s no way we’d EVER lose…
All joking aside, I don’t see Teheran as expendable. Yes, we have incredible depth but how many pitchers have Pedro Martinez as a comp? He could flame-out, I do agree but I’d be willing to bet our franchises future on his enough to call him untradeable regardless of who he could bring in.
by Klemson Krash on May 11, 2011 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
but notice none of them are Braves
very very very very few highly thought of Braves pitchers fail to meet expectations. While they may not be “superstars”, they’re far from blah.
and before some of you throw Reyes or Davies or Lerew or James, NONE of them were nearly as highly thought of as Teheran or Delgado or Vizcaino. To a man, scouts drool over those three and, AT WORST, project them to be no lower than a #3 starter in the majors.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 12, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
BLASPHEMY!
We need to put you in the corner in timeout for even thinking such a thought…
by Klemson Krash on May 10, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no possible players in all of baseball you would consider trading him for?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 10, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...
Uhhhh…. Evan Longoria… Maybe. King Felix… Maybe. Starlin Castro AND Geovanny Soto… Maybe.
Honestly, I really don’t think there’s too many people out there who I’d rather have than Teheran. He’s a soon-to-be ace leading Aces…
Hudson
Hanson
Teheran
Beachy
Minor
At this point, Beachy is showing he could headline almost any rotation. Minor is one of the best pitching prospects at AAA (w/ Teheran) and Hudson will be a Brave until he dies (I hope). I love our pitching staff… You’ll notice I omited Delgado and our other high level pitchers.
So to answer the question. No. I like what we have. I would trade just about anyone else in the organization (not named Chipper or Brian). and yes… I intentionally excluded Heyward from that list.
by Klemson Krash on May 11, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Soto > McCann (more All-Star game starts)
"This is gonna feel so good getting this thing off my chest. That's what she said."
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
by Scott Coleman on May 11, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I find your ideas intriguing
and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
How did I miss that one?
So is Soto> Schneider or is that pushing it?
fixed it for you
Starlin Castro AND Brett Jackson
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 12, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
that doesn't work..
i was thinking of two people on the same team (young) who would intrigue me enough to move our star youngling.
by Klemson Krash on May 13, 2011 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions
it does work
Brett Jackson is in AA and is Mike Trout-lite. He’d be moved to AAA in our organization to play CF and Schafer to LF. Castro would be our SS tomorrow. Seabass would be moved to 3B.
but it’s a pipedream.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 21, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Sox
Would go back down the Lowe road but I didn’t think the Yanks would go for Vazquez again either and they did so who knows.
What would the Sox have against Lowe? He was very good during his seasons there. His last year was a little rough, but overall he did very well for the team.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
replace Lowe with JJ
and i think it gets done.
we could then move Lowe to a desperate team at the deadline (Yankees and Tigers come to mind) for some positional players (Slade Heathcoat works for me).
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 12, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If Heyward goes DL on us....
Who are short term options in RF that, when Heyward gets back, could also fill a need off the bench and at multiple positions, and not be a slob at the plate?
So far…
1. DeRosa
2. Cuddyer
3. Bloomquist
4. Ryan Roberts
…that’s all I got.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
Could DeRosa even play RF? He’s barely played at all the last 2 years because of elbow injuries. And he also hasn’t hit in that time. And he’s making 6 million this season, which isn’t a total the Braves could pick up a part of.
The money makes Cuddyer even less likely, since he makes 10.5 million. No way the Braves go after him.
Bloomquist makes under a million and plays all over the field, so he fits your criteria, but why would the DBacks trade him before the deadline, when he’ll have the most value? If they wait all kinds of teams will need a guy like him and they’ll be able to get much more than he’s actually worth.
Ryan Roberts fits the cheap and versatile bill too, but he’s only played 33 games in the OF in his career, and just 1 in RF, so he’s not exactly somebody you’d get to fill in for your rightfielder.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
Mather’s natural, and most comfortable, position is RF. I would imagine he would step in to start.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on May 11, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I see him play, the more I like Jason Kubel.
He’s not the .900+ OPS player he’s been so far in 2011, but he’s still a guy with a career OPS around .800 and a wOBA that’s above average. He’s not a great fielder, but he wouldn’t be too bad in left field.
He’s only owed about $3-4M more this year and is a free agent this upcoming offseason. Wouldn’t be a bad choice if we need a replacement for Heyward (I guess Prado would move to RF for the time being) and Kubel is cheap enough to make it work financially.
"This is gonna feel so good getting this thing off my chest. That's what she said."
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
Wonder what we’d have to give up…he is slated as a Type A free agent, so the Twins will leverage with that regardless of whether they actually intend to offer arbitration.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Yeah I’m not sure either. And to be perfectly honest, I have no clue what the Twins philosophy is in regards to draft picks. Kubel had another big game today, though.
"This is gonna feel so good getting this thing off my chest. That's what she said."
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
by Scott Coleman on May 11, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wow I was just coming here to say this. Only problem is he is Lefty which would replace heyward but if Heyward comes back we are too lefty heavy. What about Chris Young from Arizona? Dude mashes LHP. Maybe work him in some kind of platoon in CF?
I sprinkle diamonds on everything I eat because its the most baller sh*t you can do.
Great minds think alike!!
I know a lot of people are high on Young, but I see him play at least a few times a week and really don’t like him. He’s not a horrible player, but he’s Francoeurian at the plate with his poor at-bats, doesn’t really get on base, and his wOBA is pretty average once you take into account what Chase Field does for him.
Unless we could get him for nothing (and it’s Kevin Towers…that’s not happening) I don’t think he’s worth it.
"This is gonna feel so good getting this thing off my chest. That's what she said."
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
by Scott Coleman on May 12, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
"it's Kevin Towers"
Young for Heyward, Teheran, and Delgado.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Posednik was released by the Blue Jays
Anyone think we’re interested? I think, honestly, that we’d HAVE to be (especially if Heyward’s out for an extended period of time). Would allow us to rest Chipper some more (moving Prado to 3B) and kick Mather to the curb.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 12, 2011 7:20 AM EDT reply actions
We’d be idiots to not be interested in my opinion. Anything that could “kick Mather to the curb”, count me in! I’m sure Pods best days are behind him, but he might be a really good 4th OF / bench guy for us.
"Bunting's my favorite." Fredi G
He’s such a tool. And, aside from that, he’s just not a very useful Major Leaguer, unless he barely plays.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
I'd take a ~.340 OBP as a 4th OF.
It’s not like we’d be counting on him to be an everyday player. He offers plenty of value off the bench as a pinch-hitter/pinch runner.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
by Jake Humphrey on May 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He was 1-3 as a pinch hitter last season and has a .217 average and .625 OPS in 106 plate appearances as a pinch hitter for his career, so he’s not much help there. And he’s a fairly weak fielder, particularly if you put his pathetic arm in RF.
What does Podsednik do that Jordan Schafer, Matt Young, or Jose Constanza couldn’t do? He’s played more games in the Majors, but he’s hardly a guy you can count on. His stats fluctuate wildly from one year to the next. There’s a reason he’s a free agent right now, lots of guys can do what he does.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
And yet it doesn't seem as if we can find one.
Follow me on Twitter at @JakeHumphrey91
by Jake Humphrey on May 12, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No, as I pointed out, they have 3 of them at AAA.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on May 13, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How long before people start talking about Brett Oberholtzer as a valuable trade piece or even a future starter for our big league club? He’s a 20 year old lefty who doesn’t walk people, racks up strikeouts and is doing quite well in AA so far. I don’t know a whole lot about his injury issues, except that he did get injured last year, but he’s 20 and he’s already advanced to AA so I can’t imagine that he’s been injured all that much.
I think teams would love to get him as part of a package of minor league players.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
He had a minor leg injury last year that slowed him for a few weeks. He hasn’t had any real injury issues. Brett is a bulldog on the mound, which is his best tool. He’s a solid pitcher and as a lefty that’s all you need to be. He’s definitely one of the team’s better prospects, they just have so many good pitchers it’s hard for all of them to get their due.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
I think they already do talk about him that way...
although that talk probably increases as he continues to progress, and as the other talented young arms around him continue their progression until some are dealt, bust, or solidify themselves in the MLB staff.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
We need to bring in Mike Adams from San Diego.
Eric O’Flaherty and Cory Gearrin in the 6th/7th.
Mike Adams and Jonny Venters in the 7th/8th.
Craig Kimbrel in the 9th.
Good lord. That’s almost cheating. Screw the 7th inning being our big inning or whatever…we’d just have to be winning after 5 and we’d be set.
"This is gonna feel so good getting this thing off my chest. That's what she said."
Twitter: @scottcoleman55
+1
If San Diego is out of it by the trade deadline, It’d be great for us to pick up a guy from their bullpen. Adams, Gregerson and Frieri would all be great for a 7th inning role in ours.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn
Adams
will be closing for San Diego after the deadline. He’s not going anywhere.
Bell will be traded to the highest bidder.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
With Medlen and Moylan returning from DL late in the season, panic trading for a middle reliever is silly. Give the AAA guys a chance to get hot. It’s not like EOF/Venters/Kimbrel are chopped liver (Kimbrel will turn it around- he’s just on a rough stretch I think)
Our starters are good enough to go 6 80% of the time, we can push some of them more if needed. Gearrin could get some 7th/8th inning work at times.
The best cure to the bullpen woes is mashing early in games, so that you can use the scrub relievers.
what would they want?
Not saying we should trade for him, but he definitely should be an option we should be looking at.
KAUF67
two things, one i agree, Linebrink sux! I cant watch him give away anymore games. I swear the only reason Fredi uses him, is so he can get his exercise for the night. Any of the Padres relievers (from the ones you listed plus Bell) would be awesome (always nice to have experienced relievers in the playoffs.
as others have suggested...
the reply button is your friend. If you look at a persons post, you will see some options at the bottom right of their writing. One of those options is reply. It helps clear up the jumble…
by Klemson Krash on May 18, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries... I just didnt' wanna be one of the guys
who tells you how silly you were for not hitting the reply button without giving you some constructive feedback on how to do so… If I see it in the future, I will openly ridicule you with a clear conscious…
:-)
by Klemson Krash on May 18, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
For a CLemson guy
you’
re better than expected.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on May 18, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i think thats a compliment...
I’m the opposite of Justin… I’m the nice, nurturing AF guy… :-)
by Klemson Krash on May 18, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I attended UGA undergrad,...
and Carolina for post-grad. It’s as much of a compliment as I’ll give to one of you hillfolk. ;)
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Fair enough...
Don’t make me come after you w/ my pitchfork and tractor… Be afraid… be very afraid.
Wait, which Carolina? I hope to God you didn’t lower yourself to go to USC…
by Klemson Krash on May 18, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll try not to hate you...
My wife is a Cock too… So I can’t hate on them too much. Once a year, it’s a beatdown in the house… Other than that, life is ok.
by Klemson Krash on May 19, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If I can help ChopMaster... I'll help anyone...
:-) I got your back.
by Klemson Krash on May 18, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Venters is on par with Bell right now PLUS we don't have to trade for him
Pitching is NOT what we need.
we need to ignite this offense and to do that we need to trade for a legit power-hitting RH bat. Chris Young makes TOO much sense in that he can play CF, is RH, and can be a power bat. While his BA is always gonna struggle, he does everything else well. PLUS, he won’t be TOO expensive to get and we match up pretty well with Arizona.
A R. Delgado + lower level pitcher for C. Young would help BOTH teams greatly.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 19, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Young’s home-road splits:
Career
Home: 1383 PA, .258/.326/.478/.804
Road: 1372 PA, .220/.299/.405/.704
2010
Home: 331 PA, .283/.361/.549/.910
Road: 333 PA, .230/.321/.354/.675
2011
Home: 102 PA, .269/.314/.591/.905
Road: 87 PA, .160/.207/.284/.491
Like most guys who play in Arizona, Young’s numbers are greatly inflated by Arizona’s thin air.
I wrote a novel, it's about baseball, you should buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Four-C-B-Wilkins/dp/1449578454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257720610&sr=1-1
www.dropoutproductions.com
Now add his contract numbers, and it's not no...
but hellz no.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on May 19, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
listen, we dont need power, the braves are 3rd in hrs right now (in the majors), Venters is a great 8th innings pitcher, doesnt mean he will be a great closer, look at Kimbrel last year as a setup to Wagner, he was unhittable. Plus are you joking, you can always use more pitching, always, ALWAYS…great pitching beats great hitting all the time. Why do you think you are considered a successful hitter if you only fail 7 out of 10 times at the plate?
6th inning: O’Flaherty
7th Inning: Moylan (these two can be interchangeable depending on up coming opp. lineups
8th inning: venters/Kimbrel depending on who is coming up to bat, or use both in the same inning depending on the other teams lineup.
9th inning: Its BELL time!
Nate McLouth is a(n) awesome bat to have in the 8th hole.
If we trade for a bat, we need a guy who can get on base and get over, not someone who hits a HR or K’s, thats why we got Dan Uggla
lol
Plus are you joking, you can always use more pitching, always, ALWAYS
have you SEEN our AAA rotation (obviously you haven’t)? We’ve GOT the pitching pitching and MORE pitching. But we can’t hit to save our lives. The name of the game is SCORING MORE RUNS.
We’re 3rd in HRs but when has HRs EVER been an adequete indicator of offensive production? Never. We have 188 runs which is middle of the pack and our OB% is .312 (which is the bottom quarter of MLB). Yeah, we don’t need a bat.
WE DO NOT NEED A CLOSER. Especially one that will cost us what Bell will cost us in prospects.
While I agree that Chris Young is not what we need, we DO, in fact, need a bat and if you don’t think so, you’re just not paying attention.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 21, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Roy Oswalt doesn’t need to save the Rangers, he only needs to provide insurance and depth
- James Loney: Umpires should call pitches from behind mound — and be robots with replay
- Magglio Ordonez set to retire after 15 seasons
- Barry Bonds thinks it will be ‘very sad’ if he doesn’t get into the Hall on his first try
- Chris Johnson’s glove webbing had a Spidey sense at Coors Field — for one play, at least
