Atlanta Braves Pitcher Derek Lowe: Speed Racer?
by gondeee on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT
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Braves starting pitcher Derek Lowe was allegedly racing another driver down Peachtree Road in Buckhead when he was stopped and charged with driving under the influence, a Georgia State Patrol spokesman told the AJC late Friday morning.
"Troopers observed two vehicles racing on Peachtree Road and were able to get both vehicles stopped," State Patrol spokesman Gordy Wright said.
Wright had no information on the second driver, who he said was charged with reckless driving.
Look, I know they filmed part of Fast And Furious Five in Atlanta, and that movie is coming out soon, but this is just beyond moronic. Racing down Peachtree is bad enough because that's essentially a residential street, but to be doing it at 10pm, a busy time on that road, WHILE INTOXICATED, is almost inexcusable.
There's not really too much to have an opinion on here. If these are the facts, and they are not in dispute, then the law will punish Lowe more than the Braves could. Unfortunately, any punishment to Lowe will punish the Braves.
I guess we can be thankful that Lowe didn't run anyone over during his drunk drag race through downtown Atlanta.
UPDATE
Lowe issued a statement through the Braves PR team:
"I would like to apologize to my family, teammates, fans and the Braves organization for the attention arising from this matter, however I am hopeful that this incident will not be a distraction to the Braves organization while we are focused on returning to the playoffs. This is a legal matter and I anticipate this case can promptly be resolved within the court system." - Derek Lowe
Okay then. He'll have to answer more questions than this covers.
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Shoot
This just keeps getting worse and worse.
"I’ll tell you one thing: The grass at Tiger Stadium tastes best."
by LesMilesEatsGrass on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Wow
I mean, what can be said at this point?
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
I wonder if there is any sort of out clause in his contract that would allow us to void it. I’m sure that is being investigated right now. If so, he may have accomplished what the front office has been trying to do the past two offseasons, rid us of his contract. To be quite honest, I’d rather have Minor on the team and Lowe gone (despite how well he has pitched the last few regular season months) than an Alcoholic Paul Walker wannabe liability…
by michaelcooksey on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
I'd be surprised.
If I were an agent, I would make damn sure that any crime my client has a good chance of committing (for MLB players, those are probably DUI, possession of drugs, and assault, domestic or otherwise) would not be a reason to automatically void the client’s contract. I mean, the Mets couldn’t dump K-Rod, and he was arrested for assault.
Thankfully no one was injured/killed from this. It could have been much, much worse.
by WeStillHaveBobby on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
This is exactly why this situation is way worse than what Roger did. I’m sorry, driving drunk is one of the most inexcusable things you can do, because you put countless other innocent lives at risk. And on top of that, to be racing another car…100x worse than just drunk driving alone.
by michaelcooksey on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
This really sucks
These types of events (McDowell & Lowe) are selfish and can damage a team mentally. We could have some harm come to our pitching staff depending on what happens with these two.
I know that its doubtful that these events are related to this, but between this and the mis-management of the bullpen, it has brought a small cloud of doubt in the air with Fredi. I miss Bobby.
I don't think
it will mentally damage the team at all. I think it’s going to give them a shot in the arm, ON TOP OF the shot in the arm they gave themselves as they swept the world champs
Wait - Kelly Johnson hits lefties better than righties? That just HAS to be backwards. - Bobby Cox as he looks at KJ's splits for his career
by Jareth Cutestory on Apr 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's hope not.
"I’ll tell you one thing: The grass at Tiger Stadium tastes best."
by LesMilesEatsGrass on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
he channeling his inner Jimmie Johnson ha ha
ESPN can give the Philthies all the verbal BJs they want, Braves will still clinch the east!
by suicide bunting is a sin on Apr 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions
Could this not just be an update to the previous?
Jeez, this blog is littered with re-posts on the same two sore subjects from this week. Could we keep the exposure to a dull roar by updating instead of re-posting?
Yes, cause it’s the blog’s fault the Braves employees keep doing stupid things.
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It’s not a seperate incident, it’s new information. Personally, I think it’s better to update it than create new posts. It’s just a different version of the same post, just like the three posts on RM (okay two, with one opinion entry from the blogger based on RM)
by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a personal formatting decision. Obviously gondeee doesn’t feel the same way you do.
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No skin off my back, just an IMO comment. Of course, IMO it makes the blog look more TMZ than a baseball blog reporting the different version of the same off field stories 5 or 6 times.
by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d much rather talk about baseball than this crap, but if you’re going to have a blog about the Braves you pretty much have to talk about this stuff, because there’s no way this isn’t going to affect the team.
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True, I just hate to see it get so played out every which way but loose on the front page here. I know it’s part of the blog responsibility though, so definitely a fair point.
by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Any chance we start a gossip section, like the rosterbation thread, to keep things neat
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Probably not, and man it’s awful to think we almost need to.
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Can’t wait for the implosion about to happen with McDowell’s punishment is released.
by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm glad baseball is not a typical "team" sport...
Because if we needed Lowe for today and tomorrow’s game to help the team win I would have been beyond angry. I mean driving “drunk” and having a race is just ridiculous on all kinds of level.
This dude has always been on thin ice with me… 1. We overpaid for a guy who was good for 20% of the time he was on the team. 2. He bitched to the media after the first season that he was being shop and Braves did not force him to sign the contract (yet he was more than willing to sign the thing WITHOUT a NTC. Meaning you cant bitch when said team shops you) and now this “drinking and dragging” situation. Thank you Lowe for making me hate that signing more.
I would not be upset at all if he got suspended. We have plenty of playersin the Minors to take his spot. No big deal. Braves are the only team I cheer the laundry more than players.
by romone_braves91 on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
This is not in any way legal advice and I am NOT a lawyer.
However, my best friend is. He did a few DUI defenses years ago but he probably hasn’t done one in more than a decade now as he no longer does criminal law of any kind. Anyway, he has told me that it all depends on where you get charged as to what happens. Some judges like to make even first offenders do jail time. It may only be a day or two, but they’ll get something. Other judges will feel sorry for first offenders who seem apologetic and they’ll get off with a fine and having to go to driving school and no jail time.
If Lowe is a first time offender he’s not looking at a lot of time in jail no matter who the judge is. At worst he’ll get a few days to teach him a lesson. He would be eligible for the exact same kind of diversionary program (take a driving class) that any ordinary person would be eligible for. Maybe he’ll get a little public service too, but he is hardly in danger of being locked away if this is a first time. It was stupid for sure but nobody got hurt and that will be the bottom line here.
I forgot that he didn’t take a DUI test and that will for sure be taken very negatively by any judge. However, with no wreck and no injuries there is only so much book he can get thrown at him – if he is a first time offender.
In Georgia, DUI has automatic jail time. First time offender or not.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Mandatory 24 hours on a DUI...
and that’s if it’s his first, if I’m not mistaken. If it’s his second or third, it’s much more.
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I'm no saint
but its not hard to be “holier than thou” when it comes to drunk driving.
If he had swerved into a parked car and killed someone, then I don’t think anyone would be making this statement.
I’ve got Jack Johnson and Tom O’Leary waiting for ya, right here
This. There’s nothing excusable about drunk driving. It was a terrible thing for Lowe to do and it’s a terrible thing for anyone else to do.
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There’s been no proof he was DRUNK
All circumstantial evidence: “smell of alcohol” and “racing” (subjective).
Like I said, I had a friend get a “racing” ticket because the gas pedal in his parents van got stuck and the light turned green so he had to push it hard to go. The tires squeeled and he got a ticket.
I’m just saying, lets not condemn him for something we don’t all the facts on.
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I tend to think police officers aren’t out to get professional athletes, and generally, they know when a man is over the limit. Derek Lowe’s refusal to take a sobriety test is probably NOT an indication that he was under the legal driving limit. You need to just call this what it is-Derek Lowe was being reckless and dangerous, and will deserve whatever punishment he gets.
And a defendant on trial for murder who didn’t talk to the police and didn’t take the stand is guilty too huh?
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Wow.
I get it with Roger, the facts there were somewhat ambiguous. But being a homer means you try to explain away their poor on-field performance. It doesn’t mean you try to excuse them for committing crimes.
Just stop. This is pathetic. Lowe drank and drove, and he’ll be punished.
Wow is right
You don’t know the BAC of Lowe do you? I could care less whether it were Derek Lowe, you, me, or some homeless guys’ grandma.
All this talk about him being drunk is unfounded and based purely on circumstantial evidence.
If a cop sees 2 cars next to each other on the freeway, both of which are going 15mph over the speed limit, regardless of whether or not the two people driving the two different cars even know the other is beside them a cop can give them both a ticket for “racing”.
Yeah, it’s that easy to be busted for racing.
I’m not saying Lowe didn’t do the things he is charged of. What I’m saying is, he has ALLEGEDLY committed these crimes. They have not been shown to be meritous.
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Just to clarify...
…do you believe that he was not drunk and not racing, or are you just crusading to not convict Lowe until the courts do so? That’s a critical distinction. The way I see it, there are three potential viewpoints that could follow from the posts you’ve made:
1) we should wait until the courts have made their judgments and more facts emerge before we condemn Lowe;
2) there’s no reason to condemn Lowe regardless of what might have happened; or
3) this is all just a big misunderstanding, and I don’t believe Lowe was doing anything wrong.
There are some massive differences between those viewpoints, and some clarification would be helpful.
good question
I think I would fall under #1.
- is just over-the-top homerish. If a person violates the law, there needs to be consequences.
- is also a possibility. The elements (the requirements of the law that needed to be established) for “racing” are very similar to speeding with the exception that racing requires another car. The other car doesn’t even need to be right next to you (2 cars on the freeway separated by a lane of slower moving traffic could still be found to have been racing).
Overall, I think #1 is the safest bet.
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BUT THEY'RE ALL #1
I’m so confused.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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OK, that helps to clarify your position. I totally agree that I fall under #1 as well, but given the facts we have now, something is certainly suspicious, and there’s credible reason to believe that SOMETHING went awry around 10 PM last night. And I don’t see it as such an affront that people would be discussing the consequences of that something, even if we don’t yet know precisely what that something is. I’m not sure you’re giving certain posters enough credit for understanding that allegations are not convictions, with full understanding that more facts can change the situation greatly. I suppose there are some rabblerousers saying RULEAS LOW NOW with no awareness of context, and that’s silly, but I’d say it’s equally questionable to insist that everyone assume NOTHING happened. Posters do have some grounds to be suspicious at this point, and to discuss what the consequences might/should be for Lowe if things are as they appear to be.
With respect to #3 (or third #1), I don’t see why it’s a big deal at all whether Lowe was “racing” or not. He wasn’t charged with “racing.” He was charged with DUI, reckless driving, and making an improper lane change. None of those charges say anything about what the driver next to him may or may not have been doing, so I don’t see why it really matters (at least from a legal standpoint, which is what the Braves care about) whether or not he was “racing.” Keep in mind also that Peachtree Road is no freeway. It’s one thing to have two drivers a lane apart doing 90 MPH in a 65 MPH zone, but on Peachtree, where the speed limit maxes out at 45 MPH (I believe) and there are at most three lanes in either direction, it’d be a pretty odd coincidence to have two cars doing 30 over next to each other. But I reiterate that the allegation of racing is entirely irrelevant here.
Fair enough
According to the updates, he was pulled over because some cops saw him racing.
Racing also carries a stiffer penalty than mere speeding.
So if he was just speeding along and some jerk wanted felt macho and wanted to race his Porsche (lord knows I used to be into the street racing thing and wanted to show my car could beat a brand like Porsche) Lowe is getting the short end of the stick.
I think your post is fair in all other respects. Something happened that night. He did have some alochol but we don’t know if he had enough to put him over the limit.
Here’s how I would punish him:
1) Under the limit and merely speeding: Miss 1 start
2) Under the limit and racing: Miss 3 starts
3) Over the limit and speeding: Miss 5 starts
4) Over the limit and racing: Suspend for a month or so
5) Under the limit and not racing or speeding: No
punishment and cops should apologize.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
Technically, it’s that easy to be “busted” for any vehicle code violation. Perception of the racing event will be explained in court and the judge will make their decision. It’s upon the officer to prove why they believed that Lowe was involved in a “racing” event. And believe me, there is way more factors that go into getting busted for the racing ticket than just the officer saying, “um, let’s give this guy racing too!”
Most officers are highly competent individuals and use discretion when stopping vehicle.
Also, knowing the BAC of an individual doesn’t need to be known to charge the driver with the suspicion of driving under the influence. Taking the official intoximeter test is a great boon to the case and makes the burden to prove on the officer much easier than if there is no measurement of BAC. However, if the officer has any experience, they will be able to know if a person is over the legal limit, because of professional experience and numerous run ins with that type of activity.
This is my field… so you may think me partial to one side, but I promise I am a highly open minded person. Still, I have lost a great deal of respect for Mr. Lowe and his actions. DUI is a no brainer to avoid… and it isn’t hard to avoid.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I have proof he was drunk, he was arrested and taken to jail for a DUI. That’s enough proof to me.
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I'm glad...
you’re not a judge.
Well, an actual judge.
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I mean, really?
Getting arrested = you are guilty
Really?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
This isn’t some kind of murder mystery or a bank heist. The guy was driving under the influence. It’s pretty obvious from the facts.
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Sorry...
This just seems pretty basic to me. One of the really great things about the USA is that you can’t be arrested and found guilty because a police officer arrested you, because he wouldn’t have arrested you if you weren’t guilty…and so on….
The words “innocent until proven guilty” aren’t just a neat-sounding slogan; they mean something.
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I’m sorry if in the court of public perception I’m not giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy who has a major reputation as a late night party guy.
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And you are on a 48 hour time out.
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For moving from a discussion into a personal attack. Take note.
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Noted
But people in the other thread said I approved of drunk driving and i was defending DUIs.
No action taken there.
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I didn’t see the other thread.
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I’m sure if you look through this one you can find more offensive stuff than what Qtips said.
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Just curious...
…if I were to ask you to place a $100 bet on the outcome of Lowe’s case, what would your bet be? On the three charges, innocent or guilty?
I understand that’s artificial, but my reason for asking is to ascertain if you’re just protecting Lowe until we know more, or if you’re really convinced that he didn’t do anything illegal.
Well, you can just ask the question...
without the hypothetical betting of $100, because I, in general, do not place wagers of more than, say, $1.
First I must say, I’m not “protecting” anyone here, I’m stating my opinions.
But, to answer your unasked question, the reason for my statement above is that I very much believe that everyone is entitled to their day in court. I have no way of knowing whether Derek Lowe did all, none, or some of the things he has been charged with. Neither does anyone else here. The idea that someone being accused of something is “proof” that they are guilty is just so ludicrous that I felt compelled to comment.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Excuse me for couching the question in terms of a wager…that was an (apparently misguided) device for getting at your true opinion about this case as opposed to just your opinion about the way the court system in general works, or ought to work.
Perhaps “protecting” is the wrong word, but I don’t think you can deny that the opinions you’re stating are more favorable toward Lowe than those of other commenters.
I agree that Mr. Wilkens is somewhat off base to say that allegations are tantamount to convictions, but I also credit you with enough intelligence to say more (based on the available facts) than “no one here has any idea what happened.” No, we don’t, if you’re talking certainty, but there’s a probability assessment here that’s not unfair to undertake.
You answered my unasked question, but not the one I asked: if I were to ask you to make a wager of $1 on the outcome of Lowe’s case, what would your bet be? Or, phrased without the wager, what do you believe the outcome of the case will be? I don’t believe that you truly have no opinion, even if you are being fair by reserving judgment.
Honestly...
I would not wager, because I do not know. So much depends on facts that we do not have. The only thing that seems fairly certain is that he did violate the “implied consent” law by refusing to take the breath test. Other than that, it is hard to say. I know quite a few people who have actually had these types of charges reduced or dropped. I know plenty who haven’t.
This is my whole point. We don’t know all the facts. If my opinions seem more “favorable” to Mr. Lowe than those of the majority, I guess it’s because the majority seem to think they “know” things which they don’t. It’s certainly not because I’m in love with Derek Lowe. If anything, his unsavory personal history causes him to probably be one of my least favorite Braves.
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Law and Order is not real life. Neither is CSI or Bones.
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Funny you say that, the woman who wrote the books Bones was based on was my freshman year Anthropology professor.
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My wife loves that show and I think it’s good for entertainment but the most common thing I heard last year when DA’s and Prosecutors were voir diring juries was “Who watches legal shows like Law and Order or CSI?”
People really do have a hard time differentiating between the two.
“If this guy committed murder, why didn’t anyone see it? Where is the gun? rabble rabble rabble”
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Reasonable doubt is a huge thing in legal proceedings.
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You have never had a beer and then drove?
by TCfromDubVee on Apr 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t. Never drank at all.
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Glad to hear that.
Though I would guess most with their HTT attitude have.
This also goes with what RM did.
by TCfromDubVee on Apr 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, the “It’s no big deal if I selfishly take innocent lives into my own hands” attitude is so much better.
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
I'm not condoning it
but the past couple days i get the sense people think they are saints.
by TCfromDubVee on Apr 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This post probably days more about you than it does other people.
by Aaron Meier on Apr 29, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah because i'm the only sinner around...
by TCfromDubVee on Apr 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it seems that way to you because you’ve read a hundred posts of people saying the same thing. Even if they have moderate views, it can seem like they are all yelling at you after a while.
by Chipper Pwns on Apr 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no one has yelled at me, but i have read the same thing over and over again
and that might have something to do with it.
by TCfromDubVee on Apr 29, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying.
I’ve been thinking sort of the same thing.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
At this point
All I can really do is take a few steps back and laugh.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Yeah, these occurrences sound like they’re coming from The Onion.
That Heyward guy is pretty good.
by another simpsons avatar on Apr 29, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
In other news...
Julio Teheran cuts off fingers in shop class demonstration.
by Chipper Pwns on Apr 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, would you look at that.
Just call me “Mr. Butterfingers.”
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+1000
For a UHF reference
Stupid!!! your so stupid!!!
Go Braves, Canes, Tarheels and Panthers. That is all.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
Turtles… are nature’s suction cups!
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How can you possibly laugh?
I’m pretty sure that makes you a horrible person.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I would assume he’s laughing at the irony/ridiculous of this crazy, abnormal news coming out this week. Not in the mean, point finger at Lowe/McDowell and say HA HA.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
I know.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
God, what an awful week.
At this point I would not be surprised if Chipper comes out and announces he’s fathered another child out of wedlock.
All of this happening, right a time when the Braves got rolling and made it back to .500 makes all of this that much worse.
In regard to D-Lowe the legal punishment is likely to be not that significant. He’s not a repeat offender of this crime and courts, while taking it seriously, don’t punish first time offenders that harshly.
When Furcal got his first DUI he was sentenced to 12 months probation, a $500 fine and 40 hours of community service. Even when he got his second one, he only served 21 days in jail and the court allowed him to wait until after the season to do so.
When Furcal got his DUIs...
the laws were different and the severity of punishment has increased since.
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Kids in my high school tokyo drifted all the time...
it was no big deal
The arrogance, selfishness, laziness, and utter disregard for human life...
of this act pushes me over the edge.
DUIs are bad, but, sadly, they happen.
Drag racing on one of the busiest streets in the Southeast, even while sober, is beyond stupid. How could he put so many people’s lives on the line? He should call Dany Heatley…
At this point, I would prefer we trade Lowe. Soon. I’d rather have Minor up here than this arrogant [fill in inappropriate word here].
Sure, we all make mistakes, but this takes it to a new level. At least McDowell’s meltdown (if true) didn’t put people’s lives in danger.
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2011 Braves = 1980s Pistons
Hey, some people were looking for an image change. Atlanta bad boys here we come.
I’ve got Jack Johnson and Tom O’Leary waiting for ya, right here
He's an idiot.
But this all kinda makes me laugh. This won’t damage moral, nor will it affect the team. If he gets suspended, we have other options in AAA. And those who are condemning him and the “sky is falling” crowd, stop being so self righteous and remember that people do in fact screw up sometimes, and the Braves aren’t immune to it
by murph35 on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
those who are condemning him and the "sky is falling" crowd, stop being so self righteous and remember that people do in fact screw up sometimes, and the Braves aren’t immune to it
You’re right. All people make mistakes and should be forgiven; however, that doesn’t mean that there are not consequences to those mistakes. In this instance, Lowe, in my opinion, should be gone for this.
I’m not condeming him to hell. I sincerely hope that this event causes him to change his actions. I truly hope he learns from this. But I don’t want him on our team.
I suppose we draw our lines of acceptability at different points in the sand. Lowe put many, many people’s lives in danger. This wasn’t a mere “whoopsie.” It’s the equivalent of firing a gun into a crowd of people. Should Lowe’s punishment be predicated on whether or not the bullet hit someone? In this instance, he’s lucky he didn’t kill someone, but if he had, his departure would not even be questioned.
If people think Roger McDowell, a representative of the Braves, should be suspended or fired for hurling slurs and making gestures with a bat, how could something much, much worse (in my opinion) go unpunished. Is Lowe held to a lower standard than McDowell? No. The Braves should not put up with this nonsense.
I wish him well, but as a human, not a Brave.
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This could only be better
if he was racing McDowell.
Wow
my response got deleted…seriously? we’re calling that out-of-line. Geez.
Yes it was. If you don’t understand why that’s a real problem.
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Umm…“to a gay bar” is a problem? I can only assume you either think a) I meant “gay” in a negative way, which I didn’t and I don’t think most people think, or b) thought that I was implying that they were gay, which I wasn’t and I’m not sure how that’s a problem. What am I missing?
I think you may be a little drunk on your moderator power (and your comment was unnecessarily rude), but I am curious if I’m missing an inferential leap that you made (seriously, not being an asshole…just curious). It was seriously a intended witty response about Roger’s less than favorable opinion of the gay community (or allegedly). Apologies for the offense.
Alright, I understand and accept your explanation of the intent of your joke.
That being said, I don’t need you making comments like “I think you may be a little drunk on your moderator power”. That’s not necessary, I’m trying to keep trash off the board and as far as I knew it was a homophobic slur. The joke wasn’t that funny.
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Apologies. I agree the “drunk on the power” comment wasn’t necessary…sorry, I regretted that line right away (and obviously, no pun was intended!).
Also, sorry you took it as a homophobic slur, but in my neck of the woods (Midtown), that’s definitely not a slur among the LGBT community I know (unless used to mean “lame”). “Gay” is actually the preferred term that community (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay#Descriptor). Different worlds, I guess. Sorry again for the offense…none intended.
It’s totally fine, and I’m sorry if you felt trodden upon. I took it a certain way because more often than not people use it in a negative fashion. I appreciate you being level-headed, logical, and easy to get along with.
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have to agree with bradleyjah here, he’s trying to lighten the mood on what has turned into a nuclear bomb of oversensitivity here, just as I was trying to do with the original comment. Laughter is the best medicine, and I don’t think there’s any reason to get our panties in a wad over what was meant to be, and was, a humorous response.
by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to know exactlyhow drunk he was.
If he had a couple beers, it’s still stupid to drive but he’s probably not endangering people.
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Exactly
Everyone on here getting their panties in a wad need to wait and see if any real facts come out. Dude could have only had 3 beers and gotten a DUI. Very dumb of him to be racing someone but until I hear that he was bat-shit crazy drunk, I am not making too much out of this.
Was the BB game in Atlanta last night?
I’m picturing Lowe headed home after the game, where he had a drink or two.
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I'm not going to make assumptions about the circumstances surrounding his arrest
Everyone else on here should follow suit .He made a mistake, get over it. He is paid to produce on the field, not be a role model or a class A individual. Ask any red sox fan and they will tell you the guy is a sleazebag of a person, but I still think he is a hell of a pitcher and thats all I care about.
"get over it"?
What are you talking about? Lowe is my favorite player on the team. I don’t consider him a sleazeball for having a couple of drinks. Racing thru Buckhead in a Porsche at 10pm is pretty stupid, but I’ve been to plenty of ball games, drank a few beers and went home. Shit happens. Lowe got caught, thank goodness no one was hurt. But this doesn’t make him Public Enemy #1.
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I actually agree with you here
The get over it statement was directed more towards the rest of the people on here who are blowing this way out of proportion
Honestly
I’m trying to picture what was going on last night. No mention of his wife being with him. Was he out with the team? Did he go to the BB game? Moylan tweeted something about “having a great time tonight” last night. Any connection? I don’t care about BB, I don’t even know if the game was in Atlanta.
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Right
it is very possible that he was stopped for drag racing, the cop smelled alcohol on him, and regardless of how many he had he was going to get slapped with a DUI charge.
Exactly
The mug shot doesn’t look like a guy that’s toasted
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Don't tell that to all the saints on here though
It is hilarious that some jackasses are demanding we trade our best pitcher of the past 3 months because of something they have no details about.
No comment!
Don’t want in the middle of that mess
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Can you quote who said that? I’d be interested in reading it…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
well i did
but i was referring to after the season.
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Some of us may also want to trade him...
simply to free the club of their financial obligation to him.
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He may be referring to me. See my comment above.
Once again, it has nothing to do with being a saint. I choose to draw the line at actions that endanger people’s lives prior to the a life actually being taken.
Driving drunk and speed racing at the same time is unacceptable to me. The only difference between Lowe and Heatley is the outcome. Why adhere to a “no harm, no foul” policy? The arrogance and disregard for others’ lives sickens me.
I am not passing judgment on Lowe. That’s not what this is about. I do not care if he’s a sleazeball or a priest, if he voluntarily got behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle while intoxicated and chose to race said vehicle down a busy street at 10 p.m., he should be punished for his actions.
This is merely my opinion.
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Jman
have you ever driven over the speed limit? If so, you broke the law and put human lives around you at risk. Do you think you should lose your job because of that?
have you ever driven over the speed limit? If so, you broke the law and put human lives around you at risk. Do you think you should lose your job because of that?
I cannot argue with this. Anyone who equates going 5 mph over the speed limit to drag racing while intoxicated down a busy street cannot be reasoned with.
Plus, we have different opinions. I don’t care if you share my opinion. You shouldn’t care what my opinion is. Why does it matter to you?
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what details do we not have?
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ok,
what would that prove that we don’t already know? at this point its common sense. when a driver refuses a breathalyzer, its for a reason. Lowe knew he was drunk. he fucked up and put innocent lives at risk not just by driving impaired , but by racing down a busy street. no numbers needed.
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WOW. That’s really messed up reasoning.
Preserving your rights = guilty?
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
This isn’t an instance of a minority refusing to talk to the cops because he’s afraid of being railroaded. This is a man being given ONE chance to offer exculpatory evidence, and he refused it. The only reason to do that is because it didn’t exist.
We’re not going to learn his BAC because he refused the test, which means the only official story we’re going to get is what we currently know. And what we currently know is that he was driving while drunk.
I can’t forgive this in professional athletes, ever. They are grown men with plenty of assets under their control. Plenty of teams have driver services available for guys just in case they need them because they want to keep players out of trouble. Derek Lowe is making $15 million a year-he’s not going to be put out a bit by having to pay cab fare. Or even hiring a limo, if he wants to do that. Why bother driving if you’re even a little bit unsure if you’re safe?
You don’t know he was drunk. All circumstantial evidence.
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There was at least some alcohol involved, enough to get Derek Lowe charged with a DUI, and enough that he elected to refuse a field sobriety test. Without knowing more, I wouldn’t find him guilty in a courtroom, but he’s still way, way in the wrong based on just what we know.
The “circumstantial evidence” argument is really…misplaced. I’m not here to convict him or send him to jail. I’m not going to try and laboriously and objectively examine every speck of data in order to determine criminal liability. I don’t need to have absolute evidence to have an opinion. I believe he was drunk over the limit, I believe he refused a breathalyzer and blood test because he knew it, and my opinion about THOSE unknowns is really unimportant since I’m not assessing his guilt or innocence.
Even if I’m wrong and he was under the legal limit, he was still streetracing on a busy road in a somewhat residential area while under the influence of alcohol-to some extent. That’s stupid, reckless, and wrong, and I don’t see why it should be defended. Should he be traded? No. Should he be suspended? I think it would be an appropriate gesture from the team to demonstrate that this is not to be condoned. Should he be fined? I’ll assume the legal side of things would take care of that.
The whole “racing” citation is subjective too.
See my post (above) about 2 cars on the highway, both of which are speeding.
Maybe Lowe was racing. Maybe Lowe was just driving at an excessive speed and another car wanted to catch up to him (the other car) and the cop saw the 2 going fast and the cop pulled them both over.
The thing is, we don’t know. It is possible for Lowe to have been speeding without knowing the other car was speeding too is it not?
Maybe the other car was racing Lowe but Lowe was just driving like he always does?
I think I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to the person being charged until convinced otherwise. It seems to be the best approach to take.
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Preserving your rights?
Everyone knows that refusing a breathalyzer is tantamount to an admission of guilt. Also, that there are specific legal ramifications for doing so.
Yes, it is your “right” to refuse a test. And there are specific consequences.
by BravesFaninAZ on Apr 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Refusing an intox test (as refered in MD, the breathalyzer is a non court acceptable educated guess, that an officer usually offers if he believes it will help get the person off of a DUI charge) will lead to a multitude of different things. It may be smart, may not be depending on the circumstances of the events leading up to it.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
NONE.
You have none of the details.
I cannot grasp that people think if you were arrested then you were guilty.
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I am not basing my opinion of of any assumptions. None.
1. He was charged with a DUI. Thus, he was legally intoxicated. This is not in dispute. As cbwilk states below: “If you’re drunk enough to get a DUI, you’re drunk and you shouldn’t be driving.” If you’re okay with people driving drunk, that’s a personal preference.
2. We was drag racing down Peachtree, which is a very busy street.
I don’t need more facts: he was drunk and he was drag racing down a busy street. I am basing my entire opinion on these two non-debatable facts.
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No, not from a business standpoint.
Lowe is arguably our best pitcher right now. Why cut your best pitcher over a DUI?
I personally feel that the Braves should cut ties with him, for, in my opinion, I feel his actions were severe enough to warrant cutting ties with him. I can make this opinion on a Braves blog fully knowing that it means absolutely nothing to the actual organization. Plus, I am not the one making the decision.
I am also still shaken by the Dany Heatley saga from years ago. Same scenario, tragically different outcome.
Ultimately, the Braves will side with you. He’ll get a slap on the wrist and we’ll move forward.
Like I said above, we can all root for him to kick some Cardinal ass on Sunday (assuming he pitches)!
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Okay. So this situation is worse, not better.
What’s the point?
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1. You can be charged with a DUI and not be over the limit.
2. Drag racing is subjective. (See my van reference above)
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If they were non-debateable facts.
Why would we have a legal system where you get a trial?
Do you really think that because you are accused of something, you are automatically guilty of it? Would you want to live in a country where that is true?
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I've seen a guy with a .33 look better than Lowes picture.
*Not saying Lowe is a .33 BAC.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Over the limit is over the limit. Your personal stance on how many is too many doesn’t really matter. If you’re drunk enough to get a DUI, you’re drunk and you shouldn’t be driving. That’s not even commenting on the ridiculousness of racing on an open street.
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Another thread instead of updating the previous one?
I guess it may in fact be best since the nature of the discussions may now change since we know more.
Not that this isn’t important – but after this week of Roger/Derek news – I’ll be glad when there is a baseball game/series to discuss.
I hate it for the distraction this is causing the team and other players who need to focus to beat the Cardinals tonight.
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lol
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Apr 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he was stopped...
Dany Heatley…and more tragically Dan Snyder…didn’t get a chance to be stopped.
by TBuzz on Apr 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Can you imagine
the front office today? Walking on eggshells might be an understatement! I bet Wren and McGuirk are fit to be tied.
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I thought they made drinking illegal in Buckhead...
by TBuzz on Apr 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They made having fun in Buckhead illegal.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
...
I feel bad if you think drinking is the only way to have fun.
And I’m disturbed if you think stabbing someone is fun.
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Speed racing often leads to death.
My brother
was rear ended by a drunk driver, totaled his car and sent him to the hospital. My other brother was crossing at a crosswalk in Savannah, when a drunk driver yelled “HEY N****R” (directed at my brother’s roommate), then swerved around a car and hit my brother, who’s face smashed her windshield knocking him unconscious. luckily he avoided any serious injury besides facial scarring. point is i have a very low tolerance for driving drunk. He has no place on this team or in this city. I know they can’t release him now, but the Braves should find somewhere to trade him, even if it means eating most of his contract. Unacceptable.
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I am in no way disparaging your view on drunk driving in general, but I don’t think the FO is going to unceremoniously dump him somewhere while eating most of the money on the contract. It would not make any logical sense for them to make a bad situation worse by dumping an asset and taking a financial hit for it. Lowe will probably and deservedly be harshly disciplined, but I wouldn’t expect the FO to do something rash that might hamstring the team.
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your right
about not doing anything to hurt the team, but isnt our huge surplus our starting pitching? I mean this is the Braves, baseball’s golden boy franchise. there is a certain respectability you have to uphold both on and off the field to be part of this organization
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Our surplus in starting pitching is irrelevant. They’re not going to flush tens of millions down the toilet to watch him pitch this well for someone else. Not gonna happen. What he did was deplorable, and I expect the team to sternly discipline him, but they’re not gonna ship him to siberia.
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if it werent for the money
im sure they would consider it. we got rid of esco, who the organization knew could hit. and to the team closest to Siberia lol but in all seriousness, unfortunately, you’re right. he will probably make it to the offseason.
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In fairness, at least in my opinion, there’s a difference between what WILL happen and what SHOULD happen.
The Braves will not release Lowe. They won’t. I don’t have to agree with the move.
That said, I’ll support Lowe as long as he’s a Brave, even if I personally don’t care for his actions—mistake or not. It was stupid and could’ve injured/killed many people. If he had injured or killed someone, we would all be having a different discussion.
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i will support him
every 5 days for as long as he is pitching for us. but i really hope this is his last year in atlanta.
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Not gonna happen
The Steelers and Lakers didn’t release rapists, the Ravens didn’t release a (alleged) murderer, and the Pacers didn’t release a player who jumped into a crowd to fight. Also, the Tigers didn’t release a player who got a DUI.
What makes you think Lowe will get released? And would your opinion change if he made a sincere public apology, pledged to donate a lot of money to a drunk-driving prevention organization, and basically owned up to whatever sentence he received.
People in all walks of life make mistakes, and some of those are very big mistakes. But if a mistake can turn into something positive, then there is something to be said for forgiveness.
see above
about the Braves organization. but naturally if he does those things, forgiveness is easy. but it seems like you’re talking about him becoming a role model for not d+ding, which i would be all for, except that those kinds of reputations take a long time to build up. but yes, it would be great if he came out and made it clear that he does understand the dangers of what he did, in an honest, not read off a script manor.
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*Forgiveness?
Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. Call me cynical but professional sports teams not releasing major athletes for breaking the law has a hell of a lot more to do with winning and money than forgiveness. This is what is wrong with sports in my opinion. We have these athletes getting paid so much money, and they can go out and do the things that would get people like me or you thrown in jail, yet they are kept on with their team making millions of dollars and people for some God awful reason still look up to these guys. A mistake is a mistake but honestly…a DUI, drag racing? The man is in his 30s. Theres a mistake, and then there is just straight up selfishness and stupidity.
by E-Lizz on Apr 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree with you. I’m not saying sweep it under the rug.
I’m just saying what will ultimately happen (as evidenced by other sports teams), and then I’m saying that if he truly does something positive, forgive. That doesn’t mean don’t fire. That doesn’t mean sweep it under the rug. That doesn’t mean don’t suspend him. That doesn’t mean don’t put him in jail.
It means that the man made a stupid, bad, bad mistake. He should pay, but I would like him to at least turn it into a positive. That goes a long way for me.
Should have used the word “alleged” while referring to Kobe, rather than Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis really did kill a guy…or at least was involved in it. He only got off because he cut a deal with the prosecution to testify.
I have no tolerance for it either
by E-Lizz on Apr 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was living in Charlotte when that happened, it was a very strange time. The weird thing was that Bobby was so highly respected and nobody could have believed he’d be the type of guy to do that. Still, it was universally understood that what he did was incredibly stupid and that while nobody wanted to lose him the way we did, that his mistake was the kind that often leads to the loss of life.
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OK I'll say it
He will not get traded or cut. DUI’s happen in every sport across the world, and if we fired or released everyone caught with a DUI, we’d have a lot less athletes. Hell, Dante Stallworth killed a man and he is still eligible to play. I agree that drinking and driving is awful, but the idea that Lowe is going to get fired or face any real punishment goes against everything that has ever happened with athletes and crimes.
Nothing really was done to Miguel Cabrera, he was swilling scotch while the cop was areesting him.
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Or Tony Larussa
Who was passed out at a green light.
I tried
to find a list of athletes who have DUI’s but couldn’t. I garuntee that no one gets fired for one DUI in sports.
Lowe should be gone
Everyone makes mistakes, yes. But he’s not a 17 year old who was partying with his friends, just got a license and wanted to race. He’s a grown man. There is no excuse and I don’t want an excuse. Sheesh, I don’t even want some press release by the team stating they’re disappointed. Just get rid of him.
by E-Lizz on Apr 29, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
while that
is a ingenious and eloquent counter argument, what experience do you have with drinking and driving, not in the sports world, i mean in your personal life?
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Its fine
Listen. I know that releasing him is probably not going to happen. But we all have bias from our own personal experience and based on my own I have no sympathy and no forgiveness for a grown man driving drunk in a residential area, drag racing.
by E-Lizz on Apr 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone needs to settle down
The guy made a mistake, but realistically nothing is going to happen to him. He will pitch on Sunday and, while I understand some people may have less patience with him, not much will change.
that didnt answer my question
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while." - Dave Cameron
What experience do I have?
You think because you know someone who has been in an accident involving a drunk driver that you have more authority in this discussion? I would think everyone on here knows someone who has been involved with something like that. You are welcome to your own opinion, but the fact that you have a sense of entitlement on this subject is pretty pathetic.
Pathetic?
because i have seen firsthand what sort of problems drunk driving can cause? well in that case why don’t they let any guy off the street call baseball games on TV? just because guys that have been around the game for years doesn’t make the many more knowledgeable about it, according to your brilliant logic.
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while." - Dave Cameron
Do you think you are the only person who knows someone who was negatively affected by a drunk driver?
Get off your high horse man.
no, i dont
im simply asking you if you do or not. thats ALL the question was.
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Yes I do
But you don’t see me advertising it. However, I still don’t understand what “drunk driving experience” has to do with this situation. And yes I do think it is pathetic that you feel like more of an authority figure than others on this board because you know someone who was involved in a wreck with a drunk driver.
at what point
did i say im some sort of authority figure? im honestly sick of this convo, and have to go to class. have a nice day.
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while." - Dave Cameron
mistakes, mistakes
I failed a geography test on Tuesday. Because I didn’t start studying for it until Monday. THAT, my friend, is a mistake.
This however, is a mistake that would get you or me thrown in jail. But for Mr. Lowe, he will be pitching for a major league baseball team making $15 million. I have no sympathy.
Sorry for being so angry here on the blog but drunk driving is something I just have no tolerance for.
by E-Lizz on Apr 29, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
me either.
there is not a person on this website who would have this happen and have a chance at keeping their job.
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while." - Dave Cameron
There is also no one on this website whose company made a 15 million dollar investment in them
That has something to do with it.
thats why
no one is saying to straight up release him. i suggested a trade, which happen quite often in this game. i mean we picked up Javy Vasquez’s 11.5 million, no reason another team wont pick up most of lowe’s
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while." - Dave Cameron
Are you seriously saying...
…that the results of his actions ought to be judged in the context of his SALARY? As in, the team ought to be more willing to sweep Lowe’s actions under the rug than, say, Brooks Conrad’s, just because Conrad makes 3% of what Lowe makes? Really?
If anything, it ought to be the other way around, where the higher-paid (and thus presumably more visible) players ought to be held to a HIGHER standard of behavior?
Granted, you could perhaps be talking about how the Braves will end up paying Lowe all this money regardless, and so they might as well continue running him out there every fifth day, and I agree with you on that point. And I suppose I’m naive to think that a team ought to be able to void a player’s contract over an offense like this (assuming that he is convicted), but if they can, they ought to consider it. Otherwise, I can at least rationalize continuing to let him represent the Braves if they’re going to owe him $40-something million anyway.
Not true
I had an otherwise great employee on a job that involved being away for a workweek at a time for several weeks. During that time, he got a DUI one evening after work. Bluntly, it never crossed my mind, or my boss’s mind to fire him for that. He never did it again, and did very well for us in the future, as well as did well in his private life.
by BravesFaninAZ on Apr 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh....
Speak for yourself. That’s just a really poor sweeping generalization there.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
It got him thrown in jail as well.
There is absolutely nothing that shows he was given any sort of preferential treatment by the Atlanta police, and there’s no reason to think he will receive it from the legal system.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I have done
many phenomenally stupid things in my life. If I was caught at some of them, it seems like some of the people on this thread would have me put in solitary confinement.
I don’t know if Lowe will ever clean up his act. It is practically a sure bet that the Braves will keep him. Maybe being caught will initiate a turn around in his life. From my own personal experience, these things take time. I no longer do the stupid things I did when I was a lot younger, but it took a few years.
Lowe will experience some level of consequence from the legal system, and perhaps some from the Braves.
I don’t think incident (my opinion) this justifies kicking him to the curb.
by BravesFaninAZ on Apr 29, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way they will get rid of him
I can’t believe people are suggesting that. It just won’t happen
"There's nothing better than a baseball game" - Bobby Cox
You are right
They won’t. The reason I suggested it is because I wish they would. But obviously they are not going too.
by E-Lizz on Apr 29, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
We can’t even get rid of Kawakami and THAT doofus hasn’t even done anything wrong. (Except for his pitching last year.) Hell, he’s got a Maserati Grand Turismo S AND a Lamborghini Murcielago. There obviously aren’t any good bars or racing opponent on route to the minor league facilities.
Well...
If the Braves have to suspend him, there’s always Minor.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Apr 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
One of my first thoughts about this
“Hey, Minor’s been awesome!”
Unfortunately, he just pitched yesterday. Two days rest is probably not enough for him.
To quote Vince Lombardi
“What the hell’s going on out there?!”
But on a more serious note I hope all this doesn’t create any distractions for tonight or this series, just play on Bravos, let the FO handle this.
the worst part about this
Is my boss just came to me gloating about it . . . . he’s a Phillies fan . . . .
Im really at a loss. To me this is worse than the McDowell situation. If Roger gets fired Lowe should be cut as well. Period.
by drumzalicious on Apr 29, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
wow, what a man
i wish i could find is gloat-worthy when a man endangers the lives of innocent people on a Thursday night.
"Welcome to the show, Brandon Beachy. I think you’re going to stay a while." - Dave Cameron
“It’s awesome that you have a player that made a poor decision and may have killed some innocent people? WOOO!”
I don’t envy you for having the boss you have…
by Ivan the Great on Apr 29, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the worst part about this
Is my boss just came to me gloating about it . . . . he’s a Phillies fan . . . .
Im really at a loss. To me this is worse than the McDowell situation. If Roger gets fired Lowe should be cut as well. Period.
by drumzalicious on Apr 29, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There's even video of DLowe's arrest!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R35-yInXyG8
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I know I shouldn't but
How could this week get any worse?
Don't pull Kimbrel, Bobby. Don't do it. Dang it Bobby!!
by georgiadawgsfan on Apr 29, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
what do yall think is gonna happened to lowe?
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Apr 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Breaking news
Chipper Jones has knocked up a Waffle House waitress, and Jason Heyward drowned a kitten.
Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.
Clearly, that kitten *totally* had it coming.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
I hear the kitten was actually Prince Fielder in disguise and he ate Jason’s potato chips.
by CaptainRockSxD on Apr 29, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
OH NO...
cruelty to animals is a well-documented trait of serial killers!
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
This is just SAD SAD news for the Braves
As a person who has struggled alcohol addiction in his life, I truely wish Derek the best of luck and hope he gets some help.
I think this is good for the team
not in the public-perception sense, mind you, but in a team chemistry/morale sense. I know the team already has strong chemistry, but I think this will boost even that. They’ll be protecting their own…an “us vs. the world” mentality & swagger. Not that either action by McDowell or Lowe is excusable, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not still friends with the majority of players/personnel on the staff & that those guys aren’t going to stick by them in their hour of need. Because they will. And it’s going to propel them to the top of the East!
Wait - Kelly Johnson hits lefties better than righties? That just HAS to be backwards. - Bobby Cox as he looks at KJ's splits for his career
by Jareth Cutestory on Apr 29, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
If a team needs to have a player break the law in order to come together, it doesn’t have team chemistry.
i don't care about your opinion
unless it’s the same as mine.
/tongue in cheek
I just say that because Atlanta, for the most part, has been a pretty squeaky-clean organization. There have been hiccups here and there, but if this can bring a little “edge” to the team, I see it as a potential good thing.
Wait - Kelly Johnson hits lefties better than righties? That just HAS to be backwards. - Bobby Cox as he looks at KJ's splits for his career
by Jareth Cutestory on Apr 29, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So,
Did they find the red panties?
"Son, why is my cocktail all over my penis?" -Skip Caray, trying to teach Chip how to drive a standard transmission
According to DOB
Lowe’s going to start as scheduled on Sunday.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Yeah
totally his fault that Lowe was driving drunk at 10PM on an off day.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
It is!
He should be fired along with RM and Lowe because they are all bad for baseball damnit!
sarcasm: [off] – on
by TCfromDubVee on Apr 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize....
that the word “racing” here could mean a whole different thing than what you may be picturing.
I’m pretty firmly in the “innocent until proven guilty” corner here.
If it’s good enough for the U.S. justice system, then it’s good enough for me.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
South Park Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Song
Feels appropriate…
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
What a horrible non apology. I guess he's only sorry he got caught. Not that
he put his life and everyone elses life on the road that night in danger.
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