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Atlanta Braves Pitcher Derek Lowe Arrested For DUI

There will indeed be more hot air released from Derek Lowe in the coming days.

Thud! That's the sound of the other shoe dropping. Great news to wake up to this morning:

Atlanta Braves pitcher Derek Lowe was arrested overnight for driving under the influence.

The 37-year-old pitcher was taken to the Atlanta city jail.

Georgia State Patrol spokesman Gordy Wright told the AJC that Lowe was stopped around 10 p.m. on Peachtree Road at Rumson Road.

The trooper "detected a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage"  and gave Lowe a field sobriety test, Wright said.  Lowe refused to take a state-administered alcohol test, he said.

Wright said Lowe was also charged with reckless driving and failure to maintain lane.

Could we get some "good" Braves news soon, please. I guess Lowe doesn't pitch until Sunday, so he's got some recovery time. Jeez.

These players make a LOT of money. There is no excuse for them to get behind the wheel of any car after they've been drinking. They have the money to hire someone to drive them home. They have enough money to hire someone to drive them home and to drive their car home. They have enough money to abandon their car and buy a new one the next day. You can always buy a new car; buying a new reputation, however, is a very hard thing to do.

There are companies that athletes and celebrities can hire who will take care of getting them home when they're out partying. You're making $15 million a year ... hire one. They're cheaper than lawyers.

UPDATE

Here's the glamor mug shot:

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UPDATE 2

Official statement from the Braves front office on this matter:

Obviously we are concerned and disappointed about the events involving Derek Lowe overnight.
We are currently gathering information and plan to address this matter later today.

There are going to be a lot of "matters" to "address" today.

More info from TMZ (good Lord the Braves have been on TMZ too much this week), Lowe was driving a Porsche, which was impounded, and he was released this morning after posting $2,944 in bail.

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Wow.

Not what I expected. Proud time for those of us in Braves Country.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

WTF DEREK?

Don't let the green grass fool you.

by obfromsenatobie on Apr 29, 2011 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

...April Fools?

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by abraves257 on Apr 29, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

If anyone gets dismissed for conduct, it should be Derek. This is totally unacceptable and creates more of a black eye for the organization than anything McDowell allegedly did.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh please. DUIs are a dime a dozen.

I hate when morality leaks over into a misdemeanor arrest. BFD. It will go away and we’ll all forget about it.

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by Duff_Man on Apr 29, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me? Have you ever lost a loved one because someone was stupid enough to drive drunk? I have.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

“DUI” is a crime wrought with subjectivity. It also happens all the time.

I think that was his point, not that people who get in DUIs and kill people are a dime a dozen.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that there are certain aspects of DUI/public intox, etc that are subjective.

For example, one of my troops was arrested for being drunk in a bar…yes, you read that correctly. Another time, someone was arrested for leaving a bar to walk to another bar while intoxicated.

However, if someone is being pulled over for reckless driving, is swerving on the road, and has alcohol on their breath, there’s a good chance that all subjectivity is out the window, and they are drunk driving.

And yes, DUIs often result in death.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Swerving” is also subjective. Ever sneeze while driving? You probably “swerved” enough to be pulled over. Have your glasses fall off? Have a bird/rock/trash fly at your windshield? C’mon man.

I disagree that DUIs “often” result in death. If you have some stats I’d love to see ’em.*

*I read long ago that some people count “alcohol related deaths” for people who were drinking (but not driving) and were hit by a non-impaired (by alcohol) driver. STATISTICS FTW!

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. If D Lowe had been arrested for swerving, you would have a point. If he were arrested for lane changing, you would have a point.

He was arrested for racing at excessive speeds and the cop smelled a “strong odor of alcohol” on his breath, and D Lowe refused the breath-test. You do not have a valid argument by saying that swerving is no big deal. Lowe did much more than swerve in front of a cop.

Here’s your stats:

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 33,808 people died in traffic crashes in 2009 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,839 people who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. Drunk driving fatalities accounted for 32% of all traffic deaths last year, that is, on average someone is killed in an alcohol-impaired driving crash about every 50 minutes in the U.S. (Source: NHTSA/FARS, 2010)

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going off the initial link posted. I went to shower and just saw the bit about racing.

>geez<

Even racing is subjective. My friend once got a ticket while he was driving his parent’s VAN (yes, a van). The gas peddle was stuck and the light changed green. He pushed it hard and the van made the tires spin just a little bit. BOOM.

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

"aolcohol-impaired"

Does that include people who were the victims and not the perp?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention...

That doesn’t back up your stat about DUIs often ending up in deaths.

What you cited only proposes that DUIs make up most of traffic deaths.

Not the same thing.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

One fatality every 50 minutes from alcohol-related traffic accidents – is that not often enough for you? 10,839 people died in 2009 (first stats I could find) alone from alcohol-related traffic accidents. Is that not enough??? That’s more people killed in 2009 alone than we have had killed in Iraq/Afghanistan in 10 years of war.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

One fatality every 50 minutes from alcohol-related accidents (flaw in that premise alone is discussed below) STILL doesn’t back up your premise of DUIs often resulting in death.

How many DUI driver are on the road in an hour? 100,000,000 with only 50 fatalities? That isn’t “often”.

It’s more than it SHOULD be, I admitt.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The stat is 4 people killed for every 100,000 in population.

I guess that isn’t enough deaths to warrant your concern though.

I’m sure that the 10,839 people who died in 2009 from alcohol-related accidents would have a different opinion, but hey, they probably don’t have meaningful statistics to back up their position.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say it wasn't enough

to warrant my concern.

I challenged you on your statement. You’ve failed to prove your point.

I’d appreciate some intellectual honesty from you if you want to discuss this.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, people do not often die from DUIs? Is that your point?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is that your claim of “DUIs often lead to death” is incorrect.

That is all.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s not.

DUIs do often lead to death. “Often” does not mean “most of the time” or “over 40% of the time” or anything like that.

If you are splitting hairs over the word “often” then this conversation is over.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are wrong

See the stats I listed below.

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by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those stats don’t back up Justin’s premise.

If you want to back up your premise this is what you need to do:

1) Somehow figure out how many people are driving around DUI on any given day.
2) Figure out the number of accidents on a given day.
3) How many accidents were caused by those driving DUI
4) How many resulted in death.

Nobody has posted those stats, sorry.

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you seriously trying to defend drunk driving here?

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by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compared to the other deaths and reasons for those deaths among "every 100,000"...

I’d wager it’s not often at all. With 6+ billion in the world, and over 300 million in this country, 10,839 in a year is not as large a number as you are making it out to be.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to look up the definition of “often”

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You sure do.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez alread posted it. Read it. Comprehend it. Realize it is exactly in tune with what I am playing.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO it isn't

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

then we are at an end...

and attach different meanings to the word.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, just stop.

You’re making yourself look like a moron.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m saying this for your sake, not ours…

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

But I’m a grown up. I can handle myself well. Especially with un-founded claims.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You might want to give yourself a more honest evaluation in this case.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The good thing for the Braves is Drunk Lowe isn’t expected to miss ANY starts.

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 29, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. It includes all deaths from accidents where alchohol was involved.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

then...

That stat is misleading. How many VICTIMS were the ones who consumed alcohol?

A driver who consumed no alcohol killing a victim who did consume alcohol doesn’t back you up. You have now admitted that the state does indeed include this type of situation.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I cant believe this argument is happening.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because it isn’t reasonable to question shoddy statistics?

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shoddy statistics???

Ok, I’m done.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you not read my reason for calling it shoddy?

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did. And it screams of you just grasping at straws. You are saying that a statistic that shows 10,839 dead people is not enough to say that it happens often, simply due to the fact that you don’t know the population sample size from which the 10,839 people died.

Weak.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're now claiming something different

I never said the # of people who died as a result of a DUI wasn’t significant.

What I was unconvinved of is that “DUIs often lead to death.”

Stop putting words in my mouth.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, you are saying that DUIs do not often lead to death? Is that your point?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Out of all the DUIs going on every single day, the # of them that result in death (while tragic and could have been completely avoided) do not result in death.

You’ve convinced me not.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If only I had said the ratio of DUIs that result in death is greater than DUIs that don’t.

Unfortunately for you, that isn’t what I said.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

If DUIs that don’t result in death > DUIs that do result in death = your entire argument is done.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Chipper Jones often get a hit?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Often” is a subjective term.

Just like “probable cause” and “reasonable suspicion”.

Any lawyer worth his salt can tell you that.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, “often” has a defined meaning – over and over, time and time again, repeatedly, time after time, etc.

It does not mean “more often than not”, “more than 50% of the time” or anything like that.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

“over and over” = subjective.

“10 times” = objective.

The word is subjective man.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

10,839. Is that objective enough?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, we think if somebody kills someone, that’s murder, you go to prison. You kill 10 people, you go to Texas, they hit you with a brick, that’s what they do. 20 people, you go to a hospital, they look through a small window at you forever. And over that, we can’t deal with it, you know? Someone’s killed 100,000 people. We’re almost going, "Well done! You killed 100,000 people? You must get up very early in the morning. I can’t even get down the gym!

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

ummm...what?

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eddie Izzard FTW!

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's trying to bring levity to the situation FTW

considering the #s it felt appropriate.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put the number in context. 10,839 isn’t “often” if it’s out of 500million

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy mother of jesus

I can’t believe there is an argument going on over the use of the often. This is incredible.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

500 million??

There were 1.171MM DUIs last year. 10, 839 deaths. That’s 1%. Often, I dunno…as you’ve said, the term is subjective based upon what you’re talking about.

But how about injuries resulting from alcohol-related traffic accidents ?? 2.7 million people were injured in traffic accidents, and 10% of those accidents involved alcohol. That’s ~270K people injured in alcohol-related accidents each year.

The driver was under the influence in 3.22% of all the traffic accidents with injuries.

These are not statistics from the same year, so you can’t simply toss the number of DUIs and relate it directly to how many DUIs resulted in traffic accidents with injuries…but if you could, that number would come out to about 38K, about 1/3 of which are fatalities rather than injuries.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But also...

the number of DUIs is those who got caught. You have to significantly increase the sample size imo if you are going to include all drunk drivers (which can result in fatalities) instead of just those who were arrested/convicted.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course...

You’re also going to have to adjust by the number of drunk drivers that were killed and thus not able to be charged with DUI.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, unless...

their BAC is measured in the autopsy and they are automatically included in the numbers. Not charged, but I’d assume MAAD and similar organizations include them in their “alcohol-related traffic death” numbers.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

30% (Chipper's BA) is much, much larger...

than <1%. So that usage of often doesn’t help your argument imo.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

50+1%, or 50%-1....

isn’t often or not often to me. But considering the % is probably well below 1%, that’s why I’m saying often is the incorrect word. 50%-1 would still be often in my mind.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im all for discussion

But you are on the wrong side on this one.

Legal limits aren’t a good indicator of one’s ability to properly operate a vehicle. Just a little bit of alcohol can impair some people.

No matter what you say, no matter what stats are out there — if just one person dies because someone got drunk and drove a car, then driving after drinking is a bad idea. It’s a completely AVOIDABLE problem. There is no excuse.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drinking a beer and driving is legal. Nothing wrong with is.

Drinking in excessive of the legal limit is a crime. That person should be punished accordingly.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

This good enough?

11,773 fatalities in 2008 with this stipulation:

**A driver involved in a motor vehicle crash is considered alcohol-impaired if he or she exhibits a BAC of .08 or greater.

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

But, what is the size of the population that is taken from? That apparently matters…

/sarcasm.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same stats can be found here, if you dont like that source

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811172.pdf

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That stat only covers the DRIVER.

What about the VICTIM?

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

If someone is under the influence, and they are killed in an accident, they are not the “victim” in the sense that you are talking about. They are at fault.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now I get his point.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mine or his?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another example

Driver A is driving down 75S (he has not drank any alcohol). Driver B is driving under the influence.

Driver A sneezes and smashes his car into Driver B.

That would be an “alcohol-related” accident where the person who was under the influence did not cause the accident.

QED

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about??

You didnt like justin’s stat because you thought it included people who drove sober and hit drunks, so I give you one where only drunk drivers are included and then you dont like that??

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous, btw.

Truly a ‘TC, where you can argue about anything’ moment. Is DUI bad? I dont know — let’s argue about it!

I’m done with this. Walking away now.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

*follows along.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter, Doughnut..

The CDC explicitly said that the impaired driver is at fault in the 10,839 deaths figure.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The situation you describe would not be included in this statistic. This statistic specifically states that all of the accidents were “acohol-impaired” indicating that alcohol was a contributing factor to the accident.

Besides, I don’t really think that the odds are too high that someone driving drunk was driving perfectly fine, and some random sober person came out of nowhere and hit them and killed them.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, the situation I described WOULD be involved.

Example:

Driver A (no alcohol) is driving along 75 South to go to Atlanta Motor Speedway. Dave, who was way over the legal limit, jumps onto the freeway and is hit by Driver A and killed.

That is an “alochol-related” accident and would count in those stats.

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was alcohol a contributing factor to the accident?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alcohol was the reason Dave jumped the wall (he was drunk off his ass) but not the reason why Driver A ran Dave over.

Simply put: Yes.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The statistics aren’t including drunk pedestrians who jump onto freeways.

It’s talking about traffic accidents – in other words, drivers who were impaired by alcohol.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t know that.

Driver A running over Dave would most certainly would be considered a traffic accident.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do know that – since this is talking about accidents in which at least one of the drivers involved was under the influence…kinda hard to be driving under the influence while walking….

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

One can be under the influence and still drive within one’s lane, without speeding, without swerving, without racing, etc.

I’m not supporting it, but it can happen. (See my example above about Driver A and Driver B)

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

why are you defending drunk driving?

i think we can all agree sir veza is grasping for straws here. i really hope you dont actually believe that driving drunk doesnt often result in deaths. you dont have to even view statistics, even though they are quite helpful. if you have ever been drunk it is common sense that driving so would hugely increase the risk of a severe traffic accident, often resulting in death of the victim. it seems you got caught up in an argument and are too stubborn/prideful to back down, so you keep digging yourself a hole. my advice is to stop because you are making yourself look stupid

by schemo01 on Apr 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not defending it. Stop putting words in my mouth.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

you dont have to even view statistics

/stops reading.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

youve obviously never been drunk

you dont quite understand how obvious it is that often, when people drive drunk, it ends in traffic accidents, and traffic accidents when alcohol involved are almost always more fatal than other kinds. like i said, no statistics needed, even though they are helpful

by schemo01 on Apr 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Define often...

because I’d wager the # of times someone drove drunk and it ended in a death is extremely small. Personally, and not saying it’s a good thing, but I was a dumb college kid for a long time, but I’ve had 100s if not 1000s of instances where I had more drinks than I should before getting behind a wheel. Luckily, not a single time ended in a DUI, nor in someone being injured or dead. I was lucky, sure, but to say “DUIs often result in death” is a failure in understanding what the word “often” means.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Once every 50 minutes is often.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Over what size population/area...

and again, failing to understand “often”. If out of 10,000 times someone stupidly gets behind a wheel drunk, if only 1 ends in death, that’s not exactly “often”.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said that the percentages of DUIs that result in death are large. I said DUIs often result in death.

Are you seriously arguing just to argue?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez is right.

Oh yeah, about my name. I don’t drink alcohol (against religion).

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I give in. Apparently, nearly 11,000 people dying isn’t a big enough deal for you guys to be concerned with. Drink up, my friends. I hope for your sakes that you continue to get lucky.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t drink.

Appealing to emotion isn’t logical. Your stats don’t match your premise.

I don’t agree with people driving who are over the limit. However, there is no proof Lowe was over the limit.

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

My stats do match my premise. You denial of them is the only thing that isn’t logical.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

For perspective, there were 22,000 deaths from accidental falls in 2007. I’m not dismissing your point, but appealing to numbers probably isn’t prudent in this particular scenario.

Driving intoxicated is obviously wrong, but the fact that there are twice as many deaths from falling down as there are DUI fatalities doesn’t bolster the cogency of your appeal to deathtoll numbers.

"You and your third dimension…"

by Tequila Mockingbird on Apr 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

THANK YOU

But then again, I look like a fool when I question Justin’s premise….

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, am I to assume that because one type of death happens more often than another, than the frequency of the second type of death is less significant?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Significance (emotion) = Often (occurrence)!

Who here has said the deaths are significant (in the emotional sense, not the numeric one).

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a sec, you define my use of “significant” as emotional, but when you use it, it is numerical?

Ok, for real this time. I’m done.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Significant has 2 connoations:

1) Significant other = an emotional use of the word. Or maybe, “Significant death” as in the loss of someone close.

2) Significant (as in number of times occurred) is another use.

You are using it one way, then switching your use of it to another.

If I misread you only using it in the numeric form, then I apologize. But going off your other posts, you are appealing to emotion.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you again fail to see the point before going off with your ridiculous response...

no one said it isn’t a big deal, or that we’re gonna get sloshed at lunch before going on a long road trip today.

But no, having 11,000 people die in the world or just this country, over a year is not a large amount and not often. To claim as such would ignore the countless others who also died, and plethora of reasons that cause substantially more deaths.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a bit faulty, because a ton of the overall deaths aren’t completely avoidable. Drunk driving deaths are 100% avoidable.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you?...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/often
Definition of OFTEN : many times : frequently

Synonyms: again and again, constantly, continually, frequently, hourly, much, oft, oftentimes (or ofttimes), over and over, repeatedly, a lot, time after time, time and again

You are again misusing the word “often”. As Commander Lange said, “I just think it is helpful to know what words mean… with all respect”. +1,000,000 for anyone who knows what movie this reference is from.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, 10,839 times is not “again and again” or “repeatedly”?

You are confusing the definition of “often” with “More than half the time”.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you look at the amount of times it could possibly happen

deaths on the whole, no, it is not “again and again” or “repeatedly”. It is not right, and no one should do it, but when fewer than 0.1% of times a person gets behind a wheel after imbibing alcohol does it result in death, it does not happen “often”. It shouldn’t happen in the first place, but that doesn’t make it “often” either.

Again, to quote Lange, “it is helpful to know what words mean”.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I had said “DUIs result in death more than they don’t” or “DUIs result in death a large percentage of the time” you would be correct.

Sadly, DUIs resulted in death 10,839 times in 2009. Again, that is “repeatedly”. That is “Time and time again.” That is “Over and over.”

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not if the total number of occurrences of people driving DUI was (say) 500,000,000 (around 1.5 DUI/person)

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are talking about a percentage.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he's not...

Often’s definition includes hourly. I’m pretty sure he established that an alcohol-related traffic fatality occurs at a rate of more than 1 per hour.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it's a synonym...

which, in this case, works. In my opinion, of course.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question is though...

does once an hour = often as result of an act that occurs how many times? Is it 4 times an hour someone drives drunk, is it 400? That number would factor in to me calling something “often” as much as the once every 50 minutes stat. And that was my point. But this has gone on long enough, and we have our sides. Que cera, cera.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my point too.

But coming from me I don’t think it was taken seriously?

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they're so easy to get...

how come I’ve never had one? Oh, wait…it’s because I’m smart enough to realize that in this day and age, getting behind the wheel drunk is about the easiest way to get into legal hot water. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that public tolerance for this kind of thing is zero. It’s not 1986 anymore.

by Aaron Meier on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Drinking and driving is legal so long as you are under the limit.

Why don’t we just ban alcohol? Oh wait, we tried that….

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, no it isn't...

There are DWAIs in addition to DUIs in almost every state.

If you commit a traffic violation and blow under the legal limit, you can still get a DWAI, which is slightly less serious but generally carries similar penalties in terms of the extra classes, fines, car breathalyzer, etc. It is the same amount of points off your license, and often includes suspension or revocation as well.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not in Georgia, IIRC

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be wrong here

But I haven’t heard of anyone under the legal limit getting one of these. Maybe the cops just stopped using them?

I can look it up in OCGA if interested.

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got

10 or so friends with them, albeit not in GA. They absolutely exist.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's not...

It soon will be. These laws are pretty widespread and are growing in support, as the percentage of alcohol-related traffic fatalities has dropped sharply since greater enforcement began.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

…says the guy who joined the site a month ago…“bro.”

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what of us who’ve joined for more than a month?

Or those who’ve lurked for years and only recently made an account?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not accusing anyone of “trolling” so you’d have to ask “bro” that question.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

point taken

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies for having joined recently...?

Anyway, seriously, I didn’t actually mean to offend. I suppose my meaning wasn’t obvious. My fault. Suffice it to say that I think that what McDowell did was much worse than what Lowe did. I assumed that a vocal suggestion otherwise was an intentional invitation to flaming. Obviously, I was wrong about the second part.

Bro.

by ardoralia on Apr 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trolling? Really?

Chicks dig the long ball.

DOB: Did you ever hit balls as hard as Jason Heyward does?
Chipper: Is that possible?

by kimrob1 on Apr 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good post man!
Guy who comments here during pretty much OT and pretty much every article and clearly loves the Braves and is stating his opinion…. CLEARLY a troll!

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by SuperNewb on Apr 29, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was Furcal dismissed?

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by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was it my decision?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you'd cut him...

considering you’d still be on the hook for his full salary? That seems to be what your saying here.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only cut if you can void the deal. If the racing is a felony of some sort, would a felony be voidable?

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that if anyone gets cut as a result of their actions, it should be Lowe, as drinking and driving is a far more serious offense than pretending to screw your hand with a bat and saying kids don’t belong at the ballpark.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t.

Heyward’s much more irreplacable then Lowe. I’d be a lot more disappointed though.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Lowe had been arrested for jaywalking

I’m sure there would be people wondering if we could use it to void his contract.

Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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by duwanis on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I would say the same thing if it were Chipper Jones with the DUI.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

I’m sure he feels guilty, ashamed, disappointed and all of the above. He did a dumb thing. He’s going to pay his debt to society through the legal system and I’m sure never do it again. The fact that he made a one time error in judgment doesn’t reflect on his morality or core values. Everyone makes mistakes. To dismiss him for this would be ridiculous.

by lingsched on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t Lowe’s first brush with the law, but the last time was 1996, 15 years ago.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if he had hit someone and killed them? Would it be “ridiculous” then?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if you were driving soberly, went to answer your cell phone and hit someone?
The fact is he didn’t hit someone. You are trying to convict him of a crime he did not commit.

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by Bravosbum on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m not. I’m saying that a DUI is a big deal – a MUCH bigger deal than what McDowell did.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with the second part of the statement

driving under the influence can kill people. it puts people’s lives at risk. mcdowell harassing some fans doesn’t compare.

by kbertling353 on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

what a blowhard

If it was KK he’d be blaming it on run support. ignore.

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by 15ks on Apr 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet post.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 30, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know I'm on point

For whatever reason, you hate Derek Lowe, and have wanted him out of the rotation as long as I can remember even at the cost of the Braves losing games they could win. You’re a shitty fan with a bias against this guy. I’m not justifying a DUI, but if it wasnt this, it’d be something else.

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by 15ks on Apr 30, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I hate Derek Lowe? Then why would I have him on two of my fantasy teams?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 30, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of justin hate going around these days

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by Doghnut on May 3, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a loser

This is horrible.
What a dumbass.

This along with McDowell is making the Braves stock crash.

by laroberts426 on Apr 29, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Quick, somebody crank-call Betty White

maybe we can scare her to death and that will be the end of this “rule of three” thing.

Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com

by duwanis on Apr 29, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Is this a ‘rule of threes’ call? Nice try, but I will be at your funeral…I will bury you!!!”

by fdoubleprime on Apr 29, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, she didn't fall for it.

Maybe we can find someone who’s been in a movie with Queen Latifah…

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by duwanis on Apr 29, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh, hammers and axes are messy. Do ventriloquist’s dummies count?

by fdoubleprime on Apr 29, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if it's a famous ventriloquist

like, I dunno, Jeff Dunham or something.

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by duwanis on Apr 29, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the third...

Salazar losing an eye was the first.

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Mark Richt taken over managing the Braves?

(UGA alum before any Dawg fans jump down my throat)

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Apr 29, 2011 8:31 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Tech fan…love it.

Although to be fair, it sounds like the Braves hired their ex-minor leaguer Urban Meyer in some capacity :)

by TBuzz on Apr 29, 2011 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good thing

we already did a fan confidence poll this week….. What the heck is going on, this is like some weird twisted baseball version of the twilight zone.

by HeyMikey on Apr 29, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course maybe he did it to take the heat off McDowell, taking one for the team if you will

/sarcasm….

by HeyMikey on Apr 29, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys...

CALM DOWN!!

Innocent until proven guilty. The guy had “alcohol” on his breath. This could happen after ONE drink. That is NOT illegal.

NOBODY passes a field sobriety test. The cops are out to get you once they pull you over. Especially once you refuse to blow.

He will beat the charges.

Not that I condone driving after drinking ANY amount of alcohol…but all we have is a cop’s “opinion” that he was drunk. Nothing more.

Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!!

by HalleyGator on Apr 29, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I have passed a field sobriety test, of course I had absolutely nothing to drink either.

by HeyMikey on Apr 29, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

DUI

Is probably as close as it gets in this country to “guilty until proven innocent”.

Have to agree with gondeee, all that money could surely buy a limo driver.

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by WienerDog on Apr 29, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Refusing to take an alcohol test = DUI.

You don’t refuse the test without a good reason…

by Cream on Apr 29, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Refusing a test leads to an automatic arrest. It NOT an automatic admission of guilt. Any good lawyer will tell you the best thing to do is to refuse the test. Derek made the right move there.

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by -InsertWittyNameHere- on Apr 29, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right that refusing the test is the right thing to do

But you’re still up hard against the wall. It turns the prosecution’s case from a slam dunk into a contested layup.

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– Henry T. Lilly '18

by Old South on Apr 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prosecutor?

We’re talking about a misdemeanor DUI here. Theres no law and order case, it’s him, the jude, his lawyer, and the cop. I doubt theres a prosecutor.

by mull8993 on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a solicitor general who runs misdemeanors (at least in Ga).

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure you know what a prosecutor is?

I’m not saying the AG is going to swoop down, but there will be someone working in the prosecutor’s office who will handle it. Just because it’s a misdemeanor doesn’t mean the state doesn’t care. Particularly in higher profile ones like this.

I’m not licensed to practice in GA, so I can’t speak to their procedure down there. But the way it works in most counties is this: the prosecutor will hold his “traffic hour” of the week and sit in a chair. Everyone who wants to contest a ticket will form a line. He’ll go through them one by one until he’s finished, likely dropping most of the boring ones. You’ll recognize the people with DUIs because most of them will have lawyers with them in line. The lawyers will probably try to set up a time to meet with the prosecutor later.

"[Many] schools call themselves Wildcats and I am very sorry for there ought to be just one school by the name of Wildcat and that is that little Calvinistic, Presbyterian, fire eating, Bluestocking, Covenanter, dissenting Scotch-Irish school down in the wilds of upper Mecklenburg County."
– Henry T. Lilly '18

by Old South on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Contested layup? More like the giving Shaq two free throws. Lowe’s going to get a conviction of some kind most likely, but not DUI.

"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"

by jeg on Apr 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

However...

Licenses in most states are granted after you sign a waiver stating that your license will revoked for at least one year for a breath AND blood test refusal. You can have one or the other, but you have to test or you’ll lose your license.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

And legal trickiness...

if you are a resident of another state, sometimes you don’t have to lose your license.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're confusing two issues

1) Whether or not he was, in fact, driving under the influence
2) Whether or not that’ll result in him actually getting convicted on it.

His refusal to consent to a breathalyzer is, in most states, inadmissible in court under the 5th Amendment and its progeny. I’m not sure of the Georgia DUI laws (they vary a lot state-to-state).

"[Many] schools call themselves Wildcats and I am very sorry for there ought to be just one school by the name of Wildcat and that is that little Calvinistic, Presbyterian, fire eating, Bluestocking, Covenanter, dissenting Scotch-Irish school down in the wilds of upper Mecklenburg County."
– Henry T. Lilly '18

by Old South on Apr 29, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he called a limo driver, and found out it was Lloyd Christmas, and decided to drive.

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Apr 29, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was a law enforcement plot to unjustly frame him … or something.

by fandave on Apr 29, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its Ok!!!

Im a limo driver!

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Apr 29, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then call a cab, a friend, something...

I’m with gondee on that issue. As much money as some of these guys have, to get a DUI is beyond dumb. From the costs of attorneys, fines, etc you get in the legal problems, to the pr blow up you’ll get from the MAAD and others like justin, why take that risk when you can call a cab, a limo, a friend, etc, and easily afford that, if not just abandon the car and buy a new one if you’re paid as much as Lowe, Cabrera, et al. Dumb doesn’t even begin to describe this sort of actions from someone so well off financially.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

movie reference fail

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Apr 29, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of, but not really...

I wanted somewhere to throw in my $0.02 on the fact that his resources to get others to drive him somewhere makes a DUI even dumber than it normally would be.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was 10pm, but they have been on the west coast for a week, so his body thought it was 1am, he was just tired…….

by HeyMikey on Apr 29, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um...

Time zones: that’s not how they work.

Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com

by duwanis on Apr 29, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He thought it was 7! Happy Hour just ended

"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G

by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

duh, hence the joke….. geez tough crowd

by HeyMikey on Apr 29, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I almost posted this as a joke.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was he out with his wife after a long road trip? Or was he out with other players? I’m a Vols fan, I’ve been referring to them as the CrimiVols. The University needs to clean up their act. Are the Braves getting to the point they too need to clean up their act? Enough with the bad press guys, the Braves should be better than this.

"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G

by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t make 15 mil a year, but if I go out and even have a couple of glasses of wine, I hire a car service. The alternative is just not worth it. I would rather be poor than kill someone.

by ryantex on Apr 29, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t make 15 mil a year, but if I go out and even have a couple of glasses of wine, I hire a car service.

Stay out of prison, my friends.

Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com

by duwanis on Apr 29, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

nice reference :)

didn’t realize my wording was so similar

by ryantex on Apr 29, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I make $15M a year, I hire an escort service. Daily.

by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

As Charlie Sheen so eloquently said...

“I don’t pay for the sex, I pay them to leave”.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lowe drives a Porsche Panamera 4 door coupe. No speeding?

"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G

by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

4 door coupe

That one always gets a laugh outta me.

"You owe it to yourself to be successful. After that you'll owe it to the IRS."

by WienerDog on Apr 29, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

that cop must be a Cardinals or Phillies fan

by Erihury on Apr 29, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess

He’ll be sitting outside of the clubhouse after the Braves clinch the division like Furcal had to after #14.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Apr 29, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Is that true about Furcal?

by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

After the Braves clinched #14 and were spraying champagne all over the clubhouse, Furcal sat outside. He was legally not allowed to be that close to alcoholic beverages.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Apr 29, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad, but slightly funny in a sordid way. I can picture poor Raffy sitting all by himself in the hallway drinking a Shasta.

by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I lol’ed because of the reference to Shasta.

Chicks dig the long ball.

DOB: Did you ever hit balls as hard as Jason Heyward does?
Chipper: Is that possible?

by kimrob1 on Apr 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

#14

Ah, I thought you were referring to his 14th DUI. :-)

"You owe it to yourself to be successful. After that you'll owe it to the IRS."

by WienerDog on Apr 29, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same with Josh Hamilton

Since he’s a recovering alcoholic he had to have ginger ale, and couldn’t go in the clubhouse.

by mull8993 on Apr 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still love the fact that it took a DUI...

to learn Fookie’s real age.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was his real age, btw? Was he 3 years older than he said he was? I can’t remember.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC....

he got a DUI and according to the Braves, he was 20 (again, IIRC, it was between his rookie and second season). Being 20, they were gonna pile on more charges for the DUI, underage drinking, etc and the extra penalties that imposed, such as increased time without a license. At that point, Furcal admitted to being (again, IIRC) to actually being 22, and not 20 and having lied about his age to the Braves.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

They could pull a Texas

And not use alcohol. Ofc, that was to help out an alcoholic teammate, not a guy who got busted for DUI.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken, Hamilton wasn't the only one they did that for...

may have been religous, but I’m pretty sure there was another Ranger who had a problem with alcohol.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably thinking CJ Wilson

He’s not alcoholic, but he has some big thing about not drinking or doing drugs (I think he’s straight edge). I’m not sure if it would make him have to skip the champagne shower, but he decided to join Hamilton in his side celebration when the team was doing champagne and beer.

After the ALDS or ALCS, can’t remember which, maybe both, the team did non-alcoholic celebration.

by The Goche on Apr 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Goche...

pretty sure you got who I was thinking of.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers are getting us back

With Roger and Derek, they’re getting even for giving them Andruw.

by ryantex on Apr 29, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

they

also gave us Sherrill

by Erihury on Apr 29, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s actually the worst of all

by ryantex on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Twilight Zone

What in the world? something isn’t right, time for leadership to reign it in.

I am in the same camp as those who feel this kind of crap dwarfs what RM did, but they are both huge stains on the organization. Without actually hurting someone physically, I cannot think of two more negative public relations nightmares. Get it together Braves.

by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 8:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

man Derek what low blow

he’s suppose to be one of the veteran and leader of this club and pitching staff. Can’t believe he’s out highest paid player and he does something this dumb where he can’t even buy a limo driver.

by redjohn on Apr 29, 2011 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

One factor to me.

We’ve got a lot of young studs on the Team and in Gwinnett. If we tolerate this, it would send a message to them.

Originally I was going to say wristslap Roger, but I think he needs at least a 10-day suspension now.

While I doubt we can do this, if Lowe’s contract is voidable and he’s found guilty. We void it. He’s expendable given our depth in the minors. (you do have to factor the on-field into this also) If it isn’t voidable, then give Lowe a two-week suspension and give Minor a couple starts.

Some sort of message has to be sent.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I cannot grok

the mind which really believes that a 10-day suspension is an appropriate non-wristslap response to what McDowell allegedly did (homophobic, profane, and threatening remarks directed at a fan, but that Lowe’s DUI deserves a voided contract.

I have no problem with sending a clear message that drunk driving is bad. How about sending a clear message that assaulting fans is at least equally so?

by ardoralia on Apr 29, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, it comes down to who is more expendable.

I don’t think Lowe’s contract is voidable, if it was, I’d do it for baseball reasons. (I’ll admit I"m thinking not just personal conduct, but on-field, if Heyward did this, I wouldn’t be talking about it)

However, since we have Minor, we can suspend Lowe a couple of weeks without pay, send a clear message, and not suffer on the field much..

Also DUI > being a douche.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

What McDowell did > being a douche

Also, part of the reason I’m not grokking you here is that you’re factoring on-field performance into decisions for which any decent organization would consider on-field quality to be entirely irrelevant.

by ardoralia on Apr 29, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll say this, if Heyward or Chipper did this:

a) We’d be a LOT more disappointed. I think most of us don’t like Lowe that much to begin with, but tolerate him.

b) No one would be calling for him to be gone.

That said, the presence of Heyward, Freeman, Kimbrel, Venters, Beachy, JJ- is why we have to send a strong message that this isn’t tolerated. The hammer has to come down, especially when we can afford to do it (voiding is too much, that’s just my personal anger.)

I have a lot of anger towards DUIs based on my time in the AF. All of the biggest assholes got DUIs, and one of them took it out on me. I was so glad when that guy got the hammer, though it was less then what he deserved.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably right about how we'd react if this was Chipper or Heyward

I gues we’ll have to agree to disagree about the appropriateness of voiding contracts for DUIs and 10-day suspensions for McDowelling.

by ardoralia on Apr 29, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, the voiding is disproportionate.

I think a 2-week suspension without pay is the proper response, and what I would be doing if it was say, Chipper doing this.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Voidable?

The player’s union would pitch a shit fit. The union was up in arms when discussion of voiding K-Rod’s contract began after aggravated assault charges. Right or wrong, I doubt Derek gets more than a slap on the wrist. There is absolutely no chance of voiding the contract.

by OrangeBravo on Apr 29, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not a huge deal.

He will lose his license if he is proven guilty. Lesson learned. It is a misdemeanor and not worth getting all up in arms over. Nobody was hurt. Let it go.

I'm on the Twitter: twitter.com/edgrohl

by Duff_Man on Apr 29, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed

It’s easy for us bring up $15,000,000 and taxi cab fares, but people should realize that celebrities and athletes should not held to gold standard and be lambasted whenever they make mistakes.

That Heyward guy is pretty good.

by another simpsons avatar on Apr 29, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Celebrity, athlete, "normal" person...

if you make that much money, to drive drunk when you could take a cab or any of a number of other options to get to where you’re going, deserves lambasting and isn’t holding them to a “gold standard” imo. It’s common sense.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

He was out with Quinn, you know, showing him a good time.

"You owe it to yourself to be successful. After that you'll owe it to the IRS."

by WienerDog on Apr 29, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

woah

This is certainly surprising…. I’ll wait until more details are released before I make any sort of judgment though..

Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0

by BigG1392 on Apr 29, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Remember folks...

…Lowe was our last big name pitcher option after the Yankees outbid us on Burnett. IIRC, Lowe has always had some not so great personal attributes, so while I am surprised this happened now, if I didn’t know the player who had done it, I probably would have guessed him.

by cavebird on Apr 29, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

well, well..

good ol’ Bobby Cox is the manager of that All-Star team…

by WeStillHaveBobby on Apr 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling the people defending Lowe,

saying “no big deal” and what not, are the same people who are “totally better drivers after a few drinks”.

Few things piss me off more than drunk drivers.

Our crappy lucky team *WAS* better than your good unlucky team.

by Richard R on Apr 29, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

WRONG.

I am totally against drunk driving.

I go out of my way to make sure that I only have ONE glass of wine or ONE beer when I am out to dinner with my wife.

Yet if I got stopped… my breath would smell like alcohol.

Let this thing play out.

Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!!

by HalleyGator on Apr 29, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you got pulled

After that one beverage, would you refuse the breathalyzer?

"You owe it to yourself to be successful. After that you'll owe it to the IRS."

by WienerDog on Apr 29, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

There is very little to gain from taking a breathalyzer unless you have had zero to drink. They are not that accurate (and for that reason the results are not admissible in court in many states). It is the test at the station (usually a blood test) that is the one that gets you.

by hoyabinx on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Virginia

Where I live, you lose your license for a year upon being convicted of refusing to take the test. First offense. Gets much worse on subsequent refusals. That’s in addition to whatever you get for the DUI itself.

"You owe it to yourself to be successful. After that you'll owe it to the IRS."

by WienerDog on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

BINGO

See my post below

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

When I was in law school, one of the things I always learned was that if I got pulled over and had more than one drink, just put my hands out the window (for the cuffs) and hand the cop my license and tell him I refuse a breathalyzer and field sobriety test. Yes, you lose your license for a year and have to go to jail, but field sobriety tests and breathalyzers are difficult to predict (2 beers on one person could be .08…depending on timing). I’d rather not have my license for a year than get a slam dunk DUI because I couldn’t say the alphabet backwards or weigh too little (plus, DUIs are not looked upon favorably by the bar).

Anyways, if Lowe was DUI, I definitely do not approve, but refusing a field sobriety test does not equal guilt, and if I had to bet, I’m sure he had an attorney tell him to always refuse those tests for the reasons mentioned above (and probably because video of those field tests involving famous folks always make it on YouTube).

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where did you take the bar? I take it next year

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Georgia

Good luck…don’t study too hard.

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you practice here?

I don’t know how you feel about putting your personal information out here but I’m looking for as many contacts/mentors as possible.

Thanks!

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

Happy to help…you might be able to reach me at a similar name on site that sounds like “wahoo”

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

pelican

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way...

Given the new “racing” element to D. Lowe’s charge, if true, he’s a moron.

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Ga, always refuse...

advice from multiple DUI attorneys.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me its already played out.

The fact that he got hit was reckless driving and failure to maintain a lane probably says quite a bit about his impairedness.

Our crappy lucky team *WAS* better than your good unlucky team.

by Richard R on Apr 29, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's it say?

That he wasn’t that impaired? Not trying to bait you or be sarcastic. I’m really asking.

by gilley on Apr 29, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it really doesn't tell you anything.

I have had a friend pulled over in Atlanta for a DUI for taking a wide right turn after like two drinks and they were charged with…reckless driving and failure to maintain lane. It in no way means he was driving out of control.

by epatl on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

Every DUI is preceded by either a traffic violation or something equally suspicious (driving 10 mph below the speed limit…legal? yes. But no one does it unless they’re drunk).

Cops need some reason to pull you over in the first place thanks to that pesky 4th amendment. And they can’t smell the booze from their car.

"[Many] schools call themselves Wildcats and I am very sorry for there ought to be just one school by the name of Wildcat and that is that little Calvinistic, Presbyterian, fire eating, Bluestocking, Covenanter, dissenting Scotch-Irish school down in the wilds of upper Mecklenburg County."
– Henry T. Lilly '18

by Old South on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

He must have been up watching the royal wedding

and looked at the pimp suits that they drove up in and thought man I need to get home and buy me one of those

by redjohn on Apr 29, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

What is the precedent...

for discipline in this situation?

by TBuzz on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Don’t taze me bro Lowe

"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G

by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

NICE

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

they said failure to stay in lane which means he was probably drunk.

by andrew.sisson on Apr 29, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

seriously?

That’s a BS charge and just about anyone who drives a car, at one point during their trip, “fails to maintain a lane”. The slightest movement over the lines = violation.

(I can’t tell if you’re trolling or not)

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know many people who have gotten "failure to maintain lane" in Atlanta. It means practically nothing... don't envision Lowe swerving across all four lanes of peachtree. (Of course maybe he was, but I doubt it.)

by epatl on Apr 29, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got a ticket for “failure to maintain lane” by putting on and then off my turn signal at a dead stop. Wasnt even moving

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Apr 29, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, people do that sober all the time

Many criminal procedure professors argue that it’s impossible to drive legally. Mine rode with cops on a Friday night, where they explained that they looked specifically for people driving under the speed limit because no one really ever does that.

"[Many] schools call themselves Wildcats and I am very sorry for there ought to be just one school by the name of Wildcat and that is that little Calvinistic, Presbyterian, fire eating, Bluestocking, Covenanter, dissenting Scotch-Irish school down in the wilds of upper Mecklenburg County."
– Henry T. Lilly '18

by Old South on Apr 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

you an attorney too?

(not a sarcastic tone — a genuine interest)

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You too?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep,...

in Augusta. Went to SC for law school, passed the GA Bar in 2008.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats!

Any advice for a rising 2L or bar study tips? Or if you wouldn’t mind being on my list of mentors maybe your e-mail?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not post my email on TC

but I think a little dilligence can get it through my profile here, not sure.

And my advice, relax. They will work you to death this year, or at least try to, so if y’all are like mine, and the grades is almost purely off the final, relax and focus on the only thing you can control, preparing for the final.

Studying for the bar? You’ve got two years until thenm, deal with it when the times comes, which ain’t soon. You’ll have time, and study for it the same as you’ve done every other test in your life (and considering you’ve gotten this far educationally, I’d assume you’ve got a good personal method for taking and passing tests).

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m halfway through finals. CrimPro and BusOrgs (aka “Corporations”) are next week.

I’ve done well for myself by making it on to law review and stuff like that.

I just worry about multiple choice because it’s either right, or it’s wrong.

SBN needs to develop user-user private messages :/

BTW, thanks for sharing!

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another way to think about multiple choice...

the right answer is staring you in the face, if you can figure out which one it is, but still, they give you the right answer.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true. The answers are just so similar and they always test you on the gray areas of the facts.

I’m reading (on occasion) a study book for the MPRE. It said the same thing you did about Multi Choice

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

Relax…because it’s your last chance.

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. This summer I’m working with the DOJ 40hrs/week, being a research assistant, and a 25-page paper. Fun times.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant to say

I’m a rising 3L not rising 2L. D’oh

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's how we get our billable hours up...

[Disclaimer: If any clients are reading, I’m kidding]

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahahahhaha

What area do you practice?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 cents

I saw some comments about if you refuse to take a breathalyizer then you must be hiding something (or for good reason). To me, that’s ridiculous. You shouldn’t be forced or compelled to give up any rights you have “just because”. Your rights are there to protect you, even if you have done something wrong you shouldn’t feel the need to give up rights that you have.

Secondly, “failure to maintain lane” is a BS charge. It’s an excuse to pull someone over. One of my close friends was pulled over in Henry County last year (race weekend). He had been out with his friends on spring break at a pool-hall and had a few beers. As soon as he jumped on the freeway (before even getting past the on-ramp) he was pulled over for “failure to maintain lane”. I was talking to him on his cell phone at the time (which is more dangerous than drinking and driving if you ask me).

The cop pulls him over and asks if he’d had anything to drink. He admitted to having a few beers. Cop gives him a field-test. Of course he fails! The field test is COMPLETELY subjective. Even if you do everything right, they can still take you in.

Next, the cop gives him an on-site breathalyizer. The thing says he is .012 over the legal limit. He is arrested and taken to the jail. Once at the jail, he is given another breathalyzier (you can only be convicted of DUI from the breathalyzier at the STATION because the field-ones are so unrealiable — ask any DUI lawyer). Guess what the station one read? More than HALF UNDER the legal limit.

So how does one go from being .012 OVER to being more than half UNDER you ask? He wasn’t over the limit to begin with! Since I’m in law school my friend reached out to me and I called some attorneys for him. Attorneys around here can tell you how faulty the on-field tests are and you can only be convicted if you are over the legal limit from the station breathalyzer.

Let us hold our judgment on Mr. Lowe until we know the results. I was just disappointed at the people coming out in the court of public opinion claiming his guilt when everything involved is so subjective.

(BTW, my friend had his record expunged after the Solicitor General dropped the charges for not enough evidence to have a case)

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

looks like he was charged with

“Improper lane change” not failure to maintain lane (from AJC link in story). That means he could’ve changed lanes without a blinker. GUILTY!!!!!!!

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interestingly enough

Lowe’s DUI is higher up the “headline ladder” on ESPN’s front page than Roger’s headline ever made it.

by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank goodness the cop got him off the road before an accident and possible death of innocent people did.

I just can’t imagine people taking such a chance.
Impaired is the right word – both physically and in the ability to make sound decisions.

Braves player, athlete or celebrity – no one should be exempt from the harshest penalty possible for getting behind the wheel of a vehicle while under the influence if it’s proven true.

Innocent people die and families are ripped apart every day because of crap like this.
Like someone said above, LUCK is the only thing that prevented it this time.
Makes me furious.
.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

And before anyone harps – I clearly said “if it’s proven true”.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

My biggest gripe is that it’s so easy to get charged with this type of crime and it’s an extremely uphill battle to beat it (both in court of law and in public opinion).

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you get charged with this crime – if you have no alcohol on your breath at all?
And, you have had nothing to drink and tell the officer that?
Not likely.

Solution: If you have ingested an alcoholic beverage, do not drive. Period.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s very possible that you could be charged with a DUI with no alcohol on your breath.

1) Make an “improper” (whatever that means) lane change.
2) Deny drinking.
3) Deny breathalyzer
4) Get arrested
5) Get charged
6) Have charges dropped for lack of evidence

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose that’s true, because you could be under the “influence” of other substances that wouldn’t be on your breath.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

they can test for that too...

refuse the tests as sir says, and I’m almost certain they use a blood test where alcohol and “other substances” would be shown.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also agree with your solution.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tough to do that solution. I know I’ve had a beer or two during the day and then went on with my activities. Because it is allowed and is lawful as well as not an immoral activity.

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by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would be the time frame for that solution?

An hour, a day, what?

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by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are trained that the rule of thumb is 1 hour per drink. I think that’s excessive, but it’s based on some sort of study, I’m sure….

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you all know that I didn’t mean that if you’ve had a drink in the last 24 hrs…

Common sense applies.
Even if it’s someone who thinks they can “handle it” – we all know the laws are strictly enforced on this matter (thankfully) and everyone’s tolerance is different – but – why even take that chance on the ramifications of it?

I’m no saint (you may pause and giggle now)… but just how hard is it to choose to either drink (or) drive, not both.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

My question was perfectly serious.

I never drank alcohol until the last two or three years, so I was actually wondering how much is too much, and how long after even one drink is too soon to drive.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The general consensus is that two beers is enough to go out and operate your vehicle fine. After that, you are over the limit. Of course that’s not exactly scientific, but that’s the general rule of thumb.

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by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even then, the time it takes to consume two beers is a factor as well. If I chug two in 2 minutes, I’ll be far more imparied than if I chugged them over an hour or so.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean there are a lot of other factors. Obviously, chugging two beers and immediately getting in your car is about as irresponsible a thing a person can do, but if you are sitting on your couch watching a baseball game and have two beers over the first three innings or so, I doubt you are impaired enough to cause your driving to be substantially worse or significantly more dangerous.

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by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s so personal. Each person’s tolerance is different, why I wonder how accurate the Breathalyzer tests are anyways. Example: Hubby can have 2 drinks, and no way he could operate a vehicle. Me, at around 4 shots I finally start to get a little buzz. But we never, ever drive – even if it’s just a glass of wine.

So, a steadfast rule is impossible I think.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

True. I have a higher tolerance than most. I know people that don’t drive after a single drink.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like my dad said about sex/pregnancy...

it only takes one. Differences abound all over the place, but one can be enough, so may as well not even test the waters unless you’re ready to go for a swim.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the thing

It doesnt matter how many people die bc of it. If only one does, then its too much because it is a completely avoidable problem.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

John Travolta (from Swordfish) is that you?

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, a steadfast rule is impossible I think.

To clarify – I was talking about how long the “waiting period” would be after a drink to drive.

In my personal life, it’s simple.
Drink or Drive – never both.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's how I am now too...

took a while to get here, but luckily I made it this far to learn from my mistakes.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

for how long, though?....

If you had a glass of wine at 7:00pm, then had to go to the store to get something, at what time would you feel safe in doing so?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on several factors, like tolerance and health conditions, weight, whether or not you’ve been drinking with food, etc. For a single drink, a good estimator is that your body is completely back to normal within 90 minutes.

If you have a single glass of wine with dinner, unless you’re like 16, or you weigh 80 pounds with absolutely no built up tolerance, you probably don’t even get close to impairment while driving. The food slows the absorption, and your liver is immediately filtering it out of you even before it’s absorbed.

by Bronn on Apr 29, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much depends on so much...

your size, your sex, your metabolism, how much you’ve eaten, what you’ve eaten, and countless other factors. “Too much” is personal, but if you are wondering whether or not you’ve had too much, then you probably have.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

True.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you just used mouthwash, among several other things...

I’m pretty sure you can register on a brethalyzer without ingesting alcohol.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cough-syrup, cough drops, certain types of (non-illegal) meds.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love you.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Justin, I forgot to say above – and I’m too lazy to scroll up and find the spot where you posted it …
But, I wanted to say I’m sorry for your loss.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know I lova ya, but let's be honest for a second

“Innocent people die and families are ripped apart every day because of” a multitude of reasons, not just crap like this. I’m not condoning DUIs, and feel it’s a beyond stupid thing to do, but just because inncoent people die and families are ripped apart every day for millions of reasons, some of which are the stupid actions of others, some stupid actions of their own, some just bad luck, among the millions of reasons.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

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by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

No argument from me.
But “crap like this” in my comment above doesn’t exclude anything other than DUI.
It just means it’s one of the many that make me furious when innocent people die because of the stupidity of others that could have been prevented.

I’m no lawyer and don’t play one on TV.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wooooooooo

More people rushing to judgement, overreacting, etc, etc, etc.

Give it a little room, people.

The interesting thing here is that there are people who think what Roger did was so terrible, and wanted him fired, who probably don’t think this is a big deal. There are other people who feel the opposite. Obviously we all have different perspectives and value sets.

I think they both made mistakes which they no doubt regret. Stupid, boneheaded mistakes, no less. I’m pretty sure everyone here has done something stupid in their life.

If this is a pattern for either of these guys, then the consequences should reflect that. If it’s not, that should also be considered.

That’s a pretty decent mugshot, btw. I’ve seen a whole lot worse.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

He doesn’t look as ripped as some celebrity DUI pictures. Nick Nolte comes to mind! Moylan tweeted about having a great time last night, wonder if a bunch of Braves were together partying last night.

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by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m a baseball fan. I’m not a fan of baseball players. In fact, I probably wouldn’t like most of them. Same story goes for other sports as well. What they do or what happens on their personal time has no affect on my life. It sucks for Lowe, but I don’t really care about this that much. This is no different to me than the DUI someone probably got last night after drinking within a mile of my vicinity. Shouldn’t happen, but it will.

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by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Would you care....

if a baseball player, on their personal time, was driving drunk, ran a stop sign, hit your car, and killed your child. Just wondering.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Appeal to emotion isn’t a sound line of argument.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but saying a DUI is no big deal is not a sound argument either.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody said a DUI is not a big deal.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Yes they have. Look at the comments above.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should speak for myself. I’m not saying a DUI is not a big deal.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that. But I was replying to sir veza (ironic, eh?) who said in a few posts above that it isn’t a big deal – and then proceeded to say that an emotional appeal is not a valid argument…

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

i said it was no big deal?

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d care the same amount if it were not a baseball player.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of people...

feel the same way about what McDowell did. They don’t care, so does that make them terrible people?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The two situations are pretty different. Lowe made a mistake that could potentially harm another individual and even cause death, which is terrible, but intent for harm was not there. McDowell intended for harm with verbal threats and offensive remarks and gestures. Either way, someone’s outside opinion on either matter does not really reflect the type of person they really are.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, your convicting him of a crime he did not commit. Would you care if your ridiculous comment sent an electrical surge to the house next door setting it on fire and killing everyone inside?

I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they are going to feel all day. - Frank Sinatra

by Bravosbum on Apr 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just, wow…

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That actually made me chuckle because it was so outlandish

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maury Brown of the business of baseball tried to pull the same bullshit on me earlier today. I respected him until that, but it was completely uncalled for.

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by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Details?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me- “I care about Lowe’s DUI the same amount I care about the random guy that probably got one last night.”

Him – “That’s sad”

Me- “It’s terrible stuff and people should never do it, but it really doesn’t affect me that it’s an athlete on a team I follow.”

Him- “Unless, of course, a drunk driver kills you or someone you know #unfollowing”

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about missing the point.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Apr 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously, if Derek Lowe killed me it would be worse than if some random drunkard down the street did it to me. I mean, if it’s an athlete it’s a billion times work. #faultylogic

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by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

worse*

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although as cynical as it is to say...

it’s better if it’s Lowe than some random nobody. At least if it’s a rich athlete/celebrity/wealthy individual, your family can sue them and get significant financial compensation for their pain. So in response to his stupid calim (because losing a love one sucks regardless of what or who caused it), it’d actually be better.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geez. I don’t think he grapsed what you were trying to say.

The only reason we are talking about it is because he plays for the Braves. His celeb status has nothing to do with what he did or what the consequences should be.

But, I think it’s safe to say that this one interests most of us a bit more, because it can affect the team and their performance.

Agree?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

/e-hug

Agreed

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

If this someone affected the performance of the team then it would be unfortunate. It makes sense that it’s discussed. But it’s pretty much over and done with. He did something stupid and will pay for the consequences in some way, most likely monetarily and possibly by losing his license.

The punishment for DUI should be worse. The incentive to not get a DUI should be big enough to force those not to do it. Since people continue to do so, obviously the punishments are not sufficient quite yet.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't.

My interest in this whole thing is how different people feel that different types of actions, behaviors, etc, are worse. It fascinates me that some people think drunk driving is bad, but not that bad if it doesn’t affect them personally, but at the same time think that someone making a “homophobic” remark merits dismissal from their job.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me

or do you think Bobby Cox is getting on a plane right now to come down here and find out WTF is going on?

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

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by Chapel420 on Apr 29, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting thought

Is there a lack of leadership with the Braves right now

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by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I figured this stuff would get brought up soon enough. Let’s not act like Bobby kept these types of things under wraps during his tenure.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not

I know Furcal got his share of DUIs when he was a Brave. It’s more of a humorous visualization for me.

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Apr 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Derek did it just to take the attention off of Roger

by ryantex on Apr 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Look at the bright side

Maybe now Liberty Media won’t like all the bad press these last two incidents are creating and sell the Braves to a real owner.

by Mardale261 on Apr 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

In addition

to my comments above about refusing a field sobriety test. I did want to note that this was at 10 PM…not 2 AM (wasn’t Furcal’s DUI real late in the night). I’m not ready to crucify a guy that refused a field sobriety test and was driving home at 10 PM (assuming he was driving home) and has not had any previous run-ins.

Again, if he was driving drunk, shame on him…and he got lucky that a) he didn’t hurt anyone, and b) regardless of whether he was drunk or not, he learned not to put himself in a situation like this again.

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Lowe has had previous run-ins.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

My bad...

I thought he had been fairly upstanding. Also, as I mentioned above, if this whole “racing” allegation is true, Lowe is a moron. Racing is bad…racing on Peachtree is just moronic.

by bradleyjah on Apr 29, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Lowe is now one DUI shy of Rafael Furcal’s franchise record.

by castrologist on Apr 29, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

That is just ignoring the safety of the innocent. As bad as a DUI is, racing under the influence is just ignorant.

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by bighop on Apr 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t know that he had more than a beer or two. He got pulled over for racing. To me, that’s a lot more encouraging than if he had simply been pulled over for swerving or whatever. The cop saw him racing, smelled alcohol, and gave him a field sobriety test. He supposedly failed that test, but we don’t know if he was really impaired or not.

by gilley on Apr 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? You think the fact that he was racing after having a couple is more encouraging? I am at a loss.

I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they are going to feel all day. - Frank Sinatra

by Bravosbum on Apr 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I’m saying is that the cop pulled him over for racing.

If you get pulled over because you’re swerving across lanes of traffic and the cop can tell just by watching you attempt to drive that you’re impaired, then you’re almost definitely impaired.

If you get pulled over because you were racing, then the cop smells alcohol on you, it’s possible that you’re not impaired and that you only had a couple of beers earlier in the night.

I’m not saying either is the case, but either is possible. I’m also not at all giving him a pass for this. Not even a little.

by gilley on Apr 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That said, I am not even close to excusing him for this. I’m only saying this because by learning that he was racing, we know that he wasn’t pulled over because he was swerving or because he seemed impaired.

by gilley on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh I have changed my mind now. I was picturing him just moseying (sp) on home at 10 pm after a couple of drinks at dinner. Racing after having a couple of drinks…I mean your 38 years old for god’s sake!

I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they are going to feel all day. - Frank Sinatra

by Bravosbum on Apr 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's next?

Jason Heyward gets caught selling drugs?

Someone needs to make a Braves history class

by Brvsball on Apr 29, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Im not mad....

Just disappointed.

At least it wasn’t a DWI, this doesn’t change the fact that this is completely irresponsible and dumb, but a little less severe. Hopefully this team gets they’re shit together, cause im tired of hearing about these nonsensical distractions.

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Apr 29, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I do not believe they give out DWIs anymore. Only DUIs. Or Vice Versa. At least here in NC.

I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they are going to feel all day. - Frank Sinatra

by Bravosbum on Apr 29, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

oooo

yea, i live in NY, and there is a big difference between the two here

I thought hurricane season was over........

by bravesguy311 on Apr 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

i could care less about this

Derek Lowe is a pitcher, we know him from the Atalanta Braves Baseball Team, now lets get back to baseball. I know some of you view this differently than i do, but when it comes down to it, if it didnt happen in our clubhouse, dugout or on the field I dont really give a damn what happens. I(as well as everyone else) knows Drinking and driving can result in death, but please save that for another site. This is a baseball blog. im not trying to be insensitive to those that have been affected by drunk drivers, i am merely stating that i would rather discuss baseball or how(or if) the team will be affected by this rather than certain folks going on tangents about the dangers of drinking and driving. We know, we dont agree with it, we are against it as well!
He made a mistake in his personal life, on his own time. Youve done it too!

by bluelg on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m not that much younger, I’ve made mistakes myself, but never something like that.

by Broccoman on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much less could you care?

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

And no, I have never made the mistake of driving drunk. Thanks though.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe a better way of expressing your desire to not talk about this subject is to, you know, not talk about it.

by CharlotteChop on Apr 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

gladly,

i thought that i could make some of you realize that it was a mistake that he made on his own time and that it has nothing to do with baseball. But i guess, not- instead yall would like to continue your girly celebrity gossip blog. i hope this changes back to a braves blog today at some point.

by bluelg on Apr 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sweet post.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well you’ll see that the writers on TC are trying to do that… hence the normal baseball articles that are still being posted as if nothing else had happened but it’s they’re job, and the job of fans, to discuss these things. On their own time or not the actions of Braves coaches and players influence the organization as a whole no matter where they are and what they’re doing. When you wear the jersey you represent the team on and off the field. It’s why we’re proud of players that do great work outside of the ball club like the Hudsons and frankly have EVERY right to be disappointed in two guys who have stepped way out of line recently.

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by SuperNewb on Apr 29, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Is, is this real life?"

(sorry, but I just thought Scott might appreciate that since he posts that video link a lot)

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

re-post due to commen tree

If you want to back up your premise(“That DUIs often lead to death”) this is what you need to do:

1) Somehow figure out how many people are driving around DUI on any given day.
2) Figure out the number of accidents on a given day.
3) How many accidents were caused by those driving DUI
4) How many resulted in death.

Nobody has posted those stats, sorry.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

You tree-jumper, you.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

;-)
We need a bit humor today, this week.
It’s been a rough one to be a Braves fan.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Apr 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I know right.

Thank God for NCChopper!

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

That wouldn’t prove that DUIs often lead to death. That would prove what the percentages of DUIs that lead to death are…that’s a completely different premise.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 29, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, that method would actually prove your premise.

Something that we aren’t taking into account is:

The number of people who drive DUI and never get into an accident and never get pulled over. Think about that.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Veza, what's your end game agenda here?

You seem to believe that a lot of people can drive drunk and not get in an accident. So what? Does it mean they should therefore do it? I can stand on a subway platform, jump down onto an empty track and then climb back up and probably not get hit by a train, but I’m not going to do that, because my odds of dying increase exponentially by doing that. Instead of focusing on the word “often” just agree that if you drive drunk, you’re chances of dying increase exponentially. Also, thousands of lives are loss per year do to drinking and driving. Often or not often, what else needs to be said when you’re talking thousands of lives lost for no reason other than stupidity?

by David G on Apr 29, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

End Game

1) For people to realize that seemingly “damning” or “objective” facts are really subjective.

2) DUIs do not often result in death.

3) Reserve judgment on Lowe until the law does (relates to #1)

That’s all I can think of right now.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think his actions are morally indefensible?

by Chipper Pwns on Apr 29, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t really say without knowing all the information. Even then, who am I to judge on morality? ;o

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

More relativism in this blog… Is drunk driving (above .08 BAC) bad?

by Chipper Pwns on Apr 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s illegal.

I try and stay away from the passing of judgment of others on issues of morality. Not my place.

"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson

by Sir Veza on Apr 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say they CAN drive drunk and not get in an accident...

but they most certainly DO drive drunk and not get in an accident. Still bad, but the frequency of safe trips home outnumber deaths/accidents significantly. Moral is not the same as math.

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Apr 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you two want to have this argument that's fine...

But I’m not sure what it has to do with the situation.

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by SuperNewb on Apr 29, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Admins, engage lockdown.

by joshmaurer on Apr 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I really, really, really can't wait to talk about baseball again

I miss reading all of the debates like…where should Heyward bat?? Should Nate McLouth (or is it McClouth?) dye his hair?? Does Fredi have a love affair with Scott Linebrink??

There’s a lot of fighting going on here, but it’s probably only so heated because the internet is so anonymous. In ‘real life,’ I can only assume these very valid discussions would be more civil. I know these are important things that happened, but I’m looking forward to baseball.

by ryantex on Apr 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot of the problem is that tone of voice doesn’t translate, so it just seems like people are always yelling at each other.

by Chipper Pwns on Apr 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

DUI is a ridiculous charge when there exists such a subjective standard of ability to operate a vehicle. Is drunk Derek Lowe more or less competent than the 75 year old with slow reactions and declining eyesight? Does a “drunk” intelligent person exhibit worse judgement than an aggressive personality? There is no standard and the state makes little effort to create one. Everyone’s different and the state makes little attempt to define ability.

"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"

by jeg on Apr 29, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Really right now?

"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn (Braun?)

by kauf67 on Apr 29, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy God there are some stupid arguments going on here...

:D

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by SuperNewb on Apr 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Green

"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."

by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Apr 29, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

new promotion

Atonement in Atlanta. Come hear public apologies by Mcdowell and Lowe. After the game Milly Vanilly will perform!

At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali

by Kushagi on Apr 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

awesome

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, look

A not-totally-outdated article about the Braves organization in which everyone mentioned comes off looking like a class act:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6442017&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

Little bit of fresh air, I guess.

by ardoralia on Apr 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we all agree

that his actions are at least morally indefensible regardless of statistical arguments?

by Chipper Pwns on Apr 29, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That depends...

on your definition of “morally indefensible”

So, the answer is no, we probably can’t all agree.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Apr 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now, I want to trade Drunk Lowe for a right-handed bench bat or some pitcher. If that happens, this will be the rotation:

Tim Hudson
Tommy Hanson
Jair Jurrjens
Brandon Beachy
Rodrigo Lopez/Mike Minor (IDK which one)

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 29, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Why were you up at 5AM in order to post this.

It could have waited untill morning, go back to sleep.lol

We Gone Get it Up!!!

by geapsquash on Apr 30, 2011 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

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