OT?: Yunel Escobar vs. Alex Gonzalez
by ChopMaster on Apr 21, 2011 6:57 PM EDT
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PrintThis is a offtopic post involving the play of Yunel Escobar and Alex Gonzalez, and I will try to incorporate statistics into this post. I will compare the offense and defense of both in this year's SSS and last year's splits between the Braves and the Blue Jays. I want to see if we should have made that trade. Remember, when we gave up Yunel and Jo-Jo Reyes we got Alex Gonzalez, Tyler Pastornicky, who has been a huge success, and Tim Collins, who we shortly traded away.
First, I will look at the 2010 year of Alex Gonzalez. In 2010 with the Blue Jays in 328 at-bats, Alex Gonzalez had a 2.7 WAR and a 4.9 UZR, and a .341 wOBA. In 2010 with the Braves in 267 at-bats, he had a 0.7 WAR and a 0.3 UZR, and a .292 wOBA. Other stats include: a .274 BABIP with the Jays and a .276 BABIP with the Braves, a .296 OBP with the Jays and a .291 OBP with the Braves, and his BB% were 4.9% with the Jays and 4.8% with the Braves, and a 19.8% KK% with the Jays and a 19.9% with the Braves. Also, in 85 games with the Jays he had 17 HRs and 50 RBIs and a .259 average. In 72 games with the Braves, he had 6 HRs and 38 RBIs and a .240 average.
Next is the 2010 year of Yunel Escobar. In 2010 with the Braves in 261 at-bats, he had a 1.3 WAR and a 5.6 UZR. In 2010 with the Jays in 236 at-bats, he had a 0.9 WAR and a -1.3 UZR. Other stats include: a a .270 BABIP with the Braves and a .296 BABIP with the Jays, a .334 OBP with the Braves and a .340 OBP with the Jays, and his BB% were 12.3% with the Braves and 7.1% with the Jays, and his KK% were 11.9% with the Braves and 11.0% with the Jays. Also, in 75 games with the Braves he had 0 HRs and 19 RBIs and a .238 average. In 60 games with the Jays he had 4 HRs and 16 RBIs and a .275 average.
Now, I'll look at both of them so far in the 2011 SSS. Alex Gonzalez has a 0.6 WAR and a 2.9 UZR, and a .314 wOBA, and a .255 BABIP. Yunel Escobar has a 0.6 WAR and a -1.6 UZR, a .398 wOBA, and a .354 BABIP. FanGraphs has this to say about wOBA:
http://i.imgur.com/yS1Jk.png
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I seldom get on you for the subject matter of your posts…but this is unacceptable…your actions today have possibly started a 200 comment thread where we rehash the same damn arguments that have been had over and over again.
Why I ask?
other than that, the posts are getting better, kudos to you kid.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I refrained.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 21, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that honestly sarcasm or are you seriously mad at me?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
I think it's somewhat sarcastic
but this is kind of like starting a thread about whether or not Heyward should bat second. :)
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
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No, don't do it!!
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Apr 21, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
not mad at you at all…but this topic is added to the list of tpoics that I hate seeing on TC, along with either Teixiera trade, the Wainwirght trade, or anything regarding KK.
and most of my comment was tongue in cheek.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Tex wasn't going to make a difference on a team that needed pitching...
horrible trade considering where the Braves were at the time. Let’s talk about it again.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
16 hours and 20 comments
Looks like most of us have learned to ignore such things.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Obviously Yunel is the better player.
We knew that when we made the trade. He is also an arrogant ass, which is why we unloaded him.
Someone’s signature had a quote by someone to the effect of “I know the WAR guys love Yunel Escobar, but I know this, Bobby Cox hated to go to War with that guy.” Dunno the source but that’s a money quote.
Yeah I've seen that one too
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Apr 22, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Itd be nice if youd tell us where.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
He needed a change of scenery.
He was not going to succeed here, just had to be done, and at least we got some decent prospects in return.
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
Escobar had to go and he has no one to blame but himself. If only he’d have been as talented as Hanley Ramirez, we might would have put up with his bs a little longer. Would have loved to see him settle into the 6/7 spot a la Renteria’s Cardinal days.
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
I’m sorry but this “the posts are getting better, kid” is getting old. I don’t really give a damn how old anyone is as long as he/she can contribute to the Braves discussion/obsession on TC. If you clearly don’t have anything good/new to add (hence overwhelming negative feedback on every fanpost), my question is this: why continue to post?
/end rant. (It’s been a rough day in braves country)
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn (Braun?)
Most irritating part of this post
Is the stress on UZR.
http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/defense/uzr/
- Beware of sample sizes! Like with any defensive statistic, you should always use three years of UZR data before trying to draw any conclusions on the true talent level of a fielder.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
One could argue...
That he didn’t place all that much emphasis on UZR. ChopMaster gives us 11 categories of stats to compare/contrast the two players with; only one was UZR. I would agree with you that he probably shouldn’t have used UZR at all, but its use doesn’t significantly detract from his attempt.
"If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj. --justincredubil02 on Feb 28, 2011 2:30 PM EST
You simply cannot reference a UZR after this many games and make me believe that anything in the article is worthwhile. It’s almost like saying McClouth. But again, that’s just my opinion and what irritated me the most.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
I voted Braves...
Solely on the acquisition of Pastornicky, who I think is going to be a monster for us in the not-so-distant future. Flipping EscoBum for that nifty little gem and the quite serviceable Sea Bass was a swindle in favor of Atlanta, even if you don’t count Tim Collins in the deal. Jo-Jo was a throwaway in that deal as far as I’m concerned.
Personally, I’ll throw a little encouragement at ChopMaster’s way. Who would’ve thought that we might have a budding stat guru on our hands? };0)
Keep it up, kid. These FanPosts ain’t hurting anyone, despite all the Molotov’s being lobbed at you from the peanut gallery…so long as the quality continues to improve.
"If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj. --justincredubil02 on Feb 28, 2011 2:30 PM EST
Also...
If you’re going to make this kind of FanPost, and then take a straw poll on who you think made out better in the trade, you should probably take a stand yourself somewhere in the body of your work.
"If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj. --justincredubil02 on Feb 28, 2011 2:30 PM EST
I agree with Chopaholic on all accounts
Braves got the better of the deal for getting Sea Bass AND Pastornicky in the deal.
And ChopMaster, you should offer an opinion to go along with the stats. As it stands, you only listed stats that any of us could find on baseball-reference or fangraphs. Analyzing the stats, offering your opinion on the question you posed, or making a prediction as to which player you think will have the better season would have improved the post. I know you’re young and I’m not trying to be too critical; just trying to give a little constructive criticism, because it seems that you’re willing to listen to others and learn from your mistakes.
Alright…I think the Braves got the better because: The Jays got Yunel Escobar, an average player with an attitude, and Jo-Jo Reyes, a lefty who has little major league experience but has not done much with it. As for the Braves, we can throw out Tim Collins because we shortly traded him away. Tyler Pastornicky has been a huge success as a prospect and Alex Gonzalez has been better than Yunel on offense and defense so far since he came over, so I think we were the better side now.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
Yunel is an above average shortstop. Last year Yunel ranked 2nd among all shortstops in +/-. This year he is 16, but there have been so few games played that you cannot judge based on that. Yunel is a better fielder than Gonzalez, and about every single scout who has seen either play would say the same thing.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Oh really? Thank you for correcting my freakin’ OPINION and replying to everything only to imply how stupid I am and trying to perfect that stats. You’re not really adding to anything by trying to correct a young teenager all the time. That makes you look like a smart-a and a jerk. You sir, are a deuce.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
first of settle down…second….the word you are looking for is douche…
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I can’t believe he won’t let me have my OPINION without correcting it.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
and to answer back to BenDuronio’s stats, I’ll say on behalf of every true Braves fan that I don’t care if you’re the best fielder on the planet. If you’re an arrogant jerk in the clubhouse who probably can’t communicate to half of the players let alone your MANAGER then the Braves would not hesitate at one second to let you go. Let some other team like the Yankees pick him up if they don’t care about moral character. And please, BenDuronio, don’t reply to this by telling me about Derek Jeter’s career UZR and WAR and that the Yankees have him locked up.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
another helpful hint, do not use the word “every true Braves fan” it unnecessarily creates an artificial divide between braves fans and real fans, something that is a distinction without a difference. also its impossible to speak for everyone of a population.
Ben was trying to inform you that using UZR can be dangerous, he could have done that in a better manner. UZR should only be used with 3 years samples, anything less is incredibly unreliable (which is the downside of the stat). He mentions +/- which is a tremendously better stat, although more difficult to find on the interwebs. Its a learning lesson, don’t derive conclusions based on 3 weeks of data of anything, especially UZR.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
But I wasn’t using UZR significantly. It was only 1 stat out of 10 or so that I used. It wasn’t a big deal if you didn’t like that I used it.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
Using a stat that you obviously do not understand in an argument revolved around stats makes it pretty difficult for someone to believe your argument is legitimate. It wasn’t only directed at you, either. Pretty much every time I see someone reference UZR in this light I say the same thing, so that hopefully more people do not get sucked in to believing that UZR can be used the way you, and many others before you, have used it.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Well, is UZR useful for any infielder in his rookie year or anything less than 3 years? Do they have a UZR for minor leagues?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
In the negative means bad (matt kemp) and in the positive means good (justin upton).
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
That’s not really what I meant. Read the article I posted earlier in the thread, when I quoted the three-year usage portion.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Yes I did sir. Due to its usefulness in only 3-year periods, is it really useful as the top of the article says?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
I was talking more about how the stat is actually derived. With the grouping of ARM, DPR, RngR, ErrR.
Here is a good primer on it: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-fangraphs-uzr-primer/
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
And considering the creator of the stat...
has claimed that significant differences in the numbers over a significant sample size of 5 years (h/r splits so 2 1/2 years each and near the 3 year desired sample) is “noise”, then I’d say the answer to your question is no, UZR is not useful.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
And, we all know that 2011 so far is a big SSS, but I put it in just for you to see. Maybe it can be considered as a filler containing numbers to reach the 150-word minimum.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
Where is +/- available online, anyway?
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
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BillJamesOnline.net, but you need a subscription. It’s worth it, because you get to see what direction a fielder performs well at and many other important defensive factors. DRS is available on Fangraphs, which is the same thing.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
You sir, are a deuce.
Priceless.
"Is Prince Fielder a legitimate threat to your bag of potato chips?" -Bronn (Braun?)
I suppose it works…if ChopMaster was calling him a steaming pile of sh*t. Which wouldn’t have been cool, like, at all. };0)
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
You’re right, I should just let you reference a stat that is supposed to be used over a 3-year period rather than three weeks into a season so that people can negate your opinion before they even finish the article. That’s what you’re saying right? I’m not correcting you and saying that your opinion makes no sense, I’m correcting you so that, in the future, you don’t make the same mistakes.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
But you should let me be entitled to my opinion regarless of statistics. An opinion is what I believe in, not what it is after the influence and corrections of other people. You may think it makes no sense simply because you’re not me and I’m not you. You don’t feel what I feel.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
What opinion am I not allowing you to have? I don’t understand.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Let me rephrase it, sir. My opinion that Yunel is an average shorstop and SeaBass’s defense is better than his. Yes, I did have it by typing it and thinking it in my mind, but I feel as though you didn’t let it stand by replying and correcting it.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
Okay, and I’m just letting you know that the statistic +/-, which is culminated by scouts going back and looking at video and then deciding whether or not a play was a positive play or negative play, say that Yunel is the better fielder. Since his first full season, he has finished no lower than No. 3, and finishing No. 2 twice, in this metric.
Hopefully you will let that fact influence your opinion.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Is that statistic well known? Do many people excluding baseball experts and scouts know it despite its scarcity?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
The general public doesn’t know or understand either UZR or +/-. In terms of +/-, while it is a better metric in the sense that you can look back and see who made better plays in a given season, it is also best used in a three-year sample to determine true talent level for a defender. A player can fluctuate defensively, but the three-year average shows you a better measure of how good a fielder really is.
More people probably know UZR because it’s used in Fangraphs WAR.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
So, a question then
I think I asked this before but didn’t get my point across.
If you’re looking to compare the defensive capabilities of a player in a given year—realizing that their capabilities in that year are likely not reflective of their actual talent—what’s the best way to do that?
I think the context before was in arguing who “deserved” a gold glove. Even though UZR and +/- are best taken in terms of a three-year sample, are the one-year samples still valid for comparisons tied strictly to that specific year?
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
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My personal preference, I believe +/- does a much better job than UZR at stating which player performed better that year. But just like in pitching, performing better does not mean you are actually a better pitcher. There are many other factors that can alter the results that are not in the pitcher’s control, and the same is true for fielders.
It’s a results based stat, like ERA is. So while it’s hard to justify looking at +/- one season and saying player X is player than player Y because player X had was +9 and player Y was +5, you can say that player X performed better that season — based on the results from dewan.
The three year sample concept is a measure of true talent. The best fielders will most likely continue to have the highest marks over that long of a span. This concept can be used for most results based stats, even a poor one like RBI, over the course of a career. Most guys who rack up 1,200+ RBI are pretty good players, even though RBI is not a stat that should be used in a small sample to say one player is better than another.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Gotcha.
That was the way I was trying to use UZR, iirc… it’s cool that +/- is available on Fangraphs, though. I’ll have to check that out.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
www.duwanis.com
Can you tell me how to calculate +/-?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
you can’t calculate +/-, if you mean how is +/- calculated generally.
go to plus/minus and then summary
basically if you make a play that at least one player at your position missed, you get a positive, if you miss a play that at least one player at your position made, you get a negative. There are no zones or anything. By removing zones and looking at every play made, they are able to answer some of the problems that people have with defensive stats, specifically that starting position matters in defense and situations are comparable under +/-, generally.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
So doesn’t it depend on playing time per year? Like you couldn’t clearly compare Derek Jeter to a backup shortstop like, say, Adam Everett?
Let’s say there’s a backup shortstop or a starting shortstop that either got shelved for an injury or just didn’t have a lot of opportunities. If he made all or most of the plays, that would be a big +. Then there’s a starting shortstop that is average, say SeaBass. He gets a lot more opportunities because of ground-ball specialists like Huddy or D-Lowe or just gets more balls hit to him. And he makes a pretty average sum of plays.
Could you infact accurately compare them together? Could you then make a version of +/- that is like UZR/150?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
You can do that yourself if you so chose, but there’s nothing to say that a larger sample will help a player like that maintain their production. Comparing to other backup shortstops over more years is probably a better way to go about that.
This is another reason UZR is frustrating. Their main comparative metric assumes production stays at the same level for that long of a perio. Too many flaws for me to handle. You can do the exact samething with +/- but it isn’t really necessary.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
by BenDuronio on Apr 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why would you want to do that at all, what usefulness is determining how a player is playing this year…it has no predictive value. So what’s the point. If we are being revisionist then why institute a limit to the data we can look at.
now I will attempt to answer your question. When you look at OPS you see a number and that gives you an idea of how well a player performed. But then you can look at other factors, namely BABiP, to determine how much a player was influenced by luck in arriving at the OPS. so for offense we are able to quantify luck, to some degree. So when Carlos Gonzalez posts a 900+ OPS we can say well thats great but he may have been a bit lucky with a 377 BABiP. Because of this we can use smaller samples and are still able to provide appropriate context to the numbers because of other factors that are definable
I am sure you understand that, but now to fielding an UZR. We have no way of quantifying the luck based factors that are inherent to any baseball statistic. So Yunel might have a really low UZR (for him) in one season and we have no way to understand why that happened. Thus we don’t know if that’s his talent level or luck.
so we can use UZR and +/- for a single season so long as everyone acknowledges the deficiencies. so if you want to say of the Gold Gloves that Jeter has won the one he won in 2010 wasn’t the most atrocious outcome he has been a part of. He had a reasonably solid UZR he made good plays and limited errors (which is a good thing). There are players who were better defensively, but Jeter played well according to UZR in 2010. These statements can be made, but there are significant flaws at play. No matter how you look at it +/- is the better stat, FYI IMHO.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
why would you want to do that at all, what usefulness is determining how a player is playing this year…it has no predictive value. So what’s the point. If we are being revisionist then why institute a limit to the data we can look at.
The point is that sometimes there are merits to discussions that don’t revolve around “predictive value.”
Also, sometimes you just really want to settle in to a Kirk vs. Picard debate, or add measurable data to your argument for why so-and-so was robbed of an award.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
www.duwanis.com
Kirk
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Kirk.
Absolutely.
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
Picard has a better voice though...
he just sounds more presitgous and like the better actor.
Also,
why would you want to do that at all, what usefulness is determining how a player is playing this year…it has no predictive value
What if you’re being evaluative and not predictive? I’d say it’s very valuable for determining who’s been better than who, as opposed to the futile desire to predict who will be better than who.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I understand the benefits of being evaluative, but if you are being evaluative why restrict the data sample you are looking at?
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Agreed
unless it’s to eliminate noise, or unfriendly samples to your argument.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Because the data sample may be what your evaluating.
A la the “who was better last year” argument.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
www.duwanis.com
Go sell it to a liberal.
We all see your hidden agenda.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
www.duwanis.com
We need to add this into the TC meme post.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Hahahaha! I’ll by that one for a dollar. };0)
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
As a liberal, it's kinda annoying.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
That's kind of like saying
“As a fan of the new lineup, I find it annoying when people use the ‘If Heyward bats 2nd…’ meme.”
Nobody’s making political statements, we’re just mocking them. :)
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
www.duwanis.com
But the Heyward batting second meme **is** annoying
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
Why?
I don’t understand why it frustrates you to see us mock people who say things you don’t like.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
www.duwanis.com
I agree with the batting second
Im just tired of anyone talking about it.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
I probably should have identified that I am on the left as well. I wouldn’t have been saying it if I weren’t, my bad.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
by BenDuronio on Apr 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's cool.
Nobody’s perfect, dude. ::dux::
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
Wrong
I am.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
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If you’re going to make this kind of FanPost, and then take a straw poll on who you think made out better in the trade, you should probably take a stand yourself somewhere in the body of your work.
I’m not convinced by this… I don’t see anything wrong with someone laying out the information and asking what everybody thinks without inserting some sort of opinion or bias into the post itself.
That being said I don’t really like that we’re talking about this again, but not for the reason you mentioned here.
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I agree
There is nothing wrong with not having an opinion on the subject yourself. Maybe he just wants to hear from what everyone else thinks which is what I do sometimes. You don’t always have to be on a certain side of an argument or debate or whatever this is. Personally, I am glad Yunel got traded because of his attitude and the fact that A-Gon is better than most people seem to give him credit for. Pastornicky is a nice addition too but I don’t know too much about him, just what people have been saying.
by carloscollazo06 on Apr 22, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Upon further reflection...
I can agree with these points. It’s probably just a personal preference where I like to see someone take a stand on the issues they raise.
I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game. It will take our people out-of-doors, fill them with oxygen, give them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous, dyspeptic set. Repair these losses, and be a blessing to us. ~Walt Whitman
Oh no....
Not this again.
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
uggh. height=250
Okay. I’m not ever posting again.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
by ChopMaster on Apr 22, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Thank you all…This is my first green comment EVER! I’m tearing up < imaginary sarcasm text tag >
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
I think everyone was rec’ing it because you said you would never post again…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 24, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You tot I wus Sereus abowt that?
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
Hoping, more like?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Apr 25, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
This might not be the best place to bring this up but...
I noticed in a few of the earlier season series that the Braves were hitting the ball hard, but right at the defenders. It seemed like there was alot of over shift defense being played against them both in both a “minor” capacity and extreme. In the same series, there were a ton of batted balls by the oppostion that just ticked off of the Braves’ gloves or were just barely out of reach.
It occurred to me then and I have not seen anything posted, but could our defensive alignment be skewed just a bit? Who is responsible for the the deployment of the fielders? Is Fredi basically going strictly off of scouting reports?
I understand that a certain percentage of ground balls are going to find holes and the as a general rule of thumb these things tend to average out. But I would hate to think that some of the losses we are incurring are from a lack of preparation from our scouts and on the field management.
I also wonder how/if defensive alignment is condsidered in the +/- or UZR argument that went on above in this post or if it even can be.
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by I Saw Buzz Beaned on Apr 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
Ok... Well somehow I read through everything on this post
And… I… Well for a while there, I actually felt so much smarter! Then we fell into the star trek debate… and liberal meme…
My honest opinion Chopmaster, aside from the humorous picture that made me laugh until I stopped… Your posts are getting some very good information out into the blogosphere.. Maybe not in your initial post which had its fair share of flaws… but you’re fearless in putting stuff out there and it’s entertaining. I’d keep your mouse in your back pocket for now as you’re inspiring the type of intelligent responses that most would really appreciate.
We all take our beatings but at the end of the day, if the moderators don’t like a topic or it is out of hand, they can provide you that feedback. Those of us who read through the site on a regular basis may get tired of topics but every so often, they come up and we learn something new from those who come through and provide some neat insight.
Go sell it to a liberal starfleet captain.
THE NL WEST WILL NAIL YOU IN THE RUSTY GROIN WITH SOMETHING --TheLetter2
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