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Around SBN: Celtics Seething Over Embarrassing Loss

Braves Fall To The Mets 3-2

Game One of the "Jason Heyward Bats Second" is in the books, but the end result could've been better.

Dillon Gee outlasted Tommy Hanson, tossing 5.2 innings and allowing only one run in spoiling the Braves' chances at sweeping the series. Gee was starting for Chris Young, who had been placed on the DL with biceps tendinitis.

The game didn't start out so well for Hanson. Jose Reyes led off the game with a double and scored on a Josh Thole single. He struck out David Wright, but hit Carlos Beltran with a pitch and surrendered a single to Ike Davis, scoring Thole.

The Braves would break through to Gee in the second. Dan Uggla led off the inning with a triple; then after Eric Hinske walked on four pitches, Freddie Freeman extended his hitting streak to nine games with an RBI single to score Uggla. They were able to load the bases with one out after Alex Gonzalez hit a bloop single, but Tommy Hanson failed to execute a squeeze bunt and the Mets caught Hinske in a rundown, squashing the rally.

Star-divide

In the fifth, the combination of Reyes and Thole struck again. Reyes led off with a single and soon stole second, his sixth stolen base of the season. Thole then drove him in with a single to center to increase their lead to 3-1. The Mets blew an opportunity to score in the sixth against reliever George Sherrill: Ike Davis led off with his fourth double of the season, but when Angel Pagan tried to lay down a sacrifice bunt, he popped it up to Sherrill and Davis was picked off second.

After Gee left the game with two outs in the sixth, Chris Capuano and R.A. Dickey kept the Braves offense at bay until the eighth. Leading off, Jason Heyward hit the first pitch he saw from Jason Isringhausen for a home run. Brian McCann followed with a walk, but with one out, he committed a costly base-running error in getting picked off first and ending the rally.

The Braves threatened to tie the game in the ninth. Chipper Jones walked to start the inning against Francisco Rodriguez and was at third with two outs, but Brooks Conrad struck out swinging to end the game.

The Mets snapped their seven-game losing streak with the win.

Tommy Hanson took his third loss of the season, but if there was anything to take away from his start, he logged nine strikeouts in five innings.

Braves pinch-hitters are still hitless: 0 for 23.

The Braves finish the home stand 4-5 and begin a 10-game road trip Monday.

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Game One of the “Jason Heyward Bats Second” experiment didn’t produce the results everyone expected.

right….

by kbertling353 on Apr 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

:-p

I'm a former CTU agent, so don't f--k with me!

by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 17, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone is ever teaching a class on coaching baseball

Keep a tape of this game around to show everyone how not to manage a game.

Overmanaging 101

Nathan Richard - Please come home. We all miss you.

by ATLandUNC on Apr 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I can’t really say Gee outpitched Hanson. 6 base runners allowed, not including the intentional walk to Emaus. 9 strikeouts and one IBB.

Regardless, pretty poor game all around. One of those annoying losses.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Scratch that, seven base runners. I forgot the HBP.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't keep scratching words at this pace man....

….my monitor is about f*cked. Says “FAI GRAPHS” in the bottom right-hand corner….

by Undocorkscrew on Apr 17, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves hired him without actually giving any other person a reasonable chance at the job. They handpicked him, and it was not a good decision, in my opinion. People have a right to be uspet that he managed this game awfully and cost them a good shot at their first sweep of the season.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess Larry Parrish gets a pass huh?!?

I noticed that many folk are not talking about this hitting coach like the last guy. The Braves need to start hitting POINT BLANK!!! True you can point to the blunder in the 2nd inning but by in large that’s not why we lost.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're totally right

Larry Parrish has single-handedly ruined all of our hitters.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your new here

But at this point last season folk here were calling for TP’s head.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they were wrong to do so, in my opinion.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

but that sure didn’t stop them from saying the same thing over and over again

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

As are you guys……saying the same thing over and over again….

…the irony…

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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So instead of complaining about how they're not complaining about it

just enjoy it. :P

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I’m not complaining about people not complaining about Parrish, but I’m just very curious why no one has mentioned him as the source of our hitting problems.

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our “hitting problems” can be summed up by pinch-hitting guys like Nasty Nate and Hicks. It’s a strike-out/gound-out, every time. Guaranteed.

I’m not sensing any “collective hitting problems” for the rest of the team.

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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prado having one walk 15 games into the season is a bit of a problem.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing with Prado....

He’s taking the first strike pitch, as always, but last year he never had a problem making one of the two next pitches count.

He’s getting fooled, but making contact. So, like Uggla, I think it will eventually click.

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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in a 3-2 count and swung at ball four today and got out. Those are the problems. He never had a high walk percentage. If his average is low, he doesn’t have much value. Of course, he has great bat control and will hit for a good average, but he needs to take more walks — as do a bunch of members of this offense, but specificall the leadoff hitter.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles everything “solo.”

I think Infante kept him straight alot of the time. Infante was the most underrated guy in baseball, last year. And that guy was Prado’s BFF.

Hitting lead-off can wear on you. Prado is in one of those funks where he hits the ball right at people. My guess is that in this road series, the ball will start dropping.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so, we need him to

His .257 on-base average from the leadoff spot is KILLING the offense. He’s not the only one responsible for the team’s offensive struggles, but that might be the biggest problem right now.

On the other hand his defense in LF has been legitimately great, so I’m happy he’s finding a way to be a contributor even when the hits aren’t falling. He still needs to walk more.

I also wish he wouldn’t take hittable first pitches so often. Batters rake when they put the first pitch in play.

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by PWHjort on Apr 17, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

His defense has looked really good in LF

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but he needs to move down the order right now:

My order

1) Heyward
2) Chipper
3) McCann
4) Uggla
5) Prado
6) Freeman
7) A-Gon
8) McLouth/Young

A shakeup really is needed right now

by Broccoman on Apr 18, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's wayyyyyy too patient on the 1st pitch.

And pitchers know this that’s why they groove a 1st pitch strike to him almost every time.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And whats to be said when he swings on these great first pitch strikes he takes and they don’t fall? Will you complain that he should settle in more?

by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking about doing a post about the analysis of the Braves’ lineup, if not roster. Rec or This this comment if you think I should attempt it. No, it won’t be just about Heyward batting second for the first time.

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 17, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Uh, no

Thanks for trolling though.

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by PWHjort on Apr 17, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me, trolling? Not on my own website, no sir!

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 17, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking to the person who I replied to.

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by PWHjort on Apr 17, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh. sorry

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 17, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trolling? Nice buddy!

I have been here plenty of times… I just don’t always comment because it’s really har to do on my phone! I’m just kinda sick of the whole complaining bit some of you have going on here. It’s never enough….

by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 18, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A deal that needs to take place:

Braves get: Omar Infante or Emilio Bonifacio
Marlins get: Edward Salcedo, Stefan Gartrell, and a Bish pitching prospect that isn’t left-handed.

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 17, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

………………………………

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would suck. We’re gonna get Imhotep back in the offseason. Salcedo has looked amazing so far this year and is a top prospect

by PhuckthePhillies on Apr 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are telling me Nate and Hicks are the only two players that are hitting poorly and if we limit their at bats, everything will be ok?…lol

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

McLouth sucks, but Prado and Uggla don’t. Okay then. How about none of them suck, and this many PA is too few to judge?

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They don't suck, necessarily

Though, Hicks and Young might legitimately be too weak offensively to contribute in the Majors.

But it’s fair enough to say that McLouth, Prado, and Uggla are sucking right now. And that really is a problem.

by Bronn on Apr 17, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on all accounts. There is one good bench hitter, and he’s really only good agaisnt RHP. I can’t count Rossy, because he’s never used in those situations.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

TP's still with the team, Jay.

Ch-Ch-Chill.

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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We hired Larry Parrish? I thought we hired Scott Steiner?

by Broccoman on Apr 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

a lot of people were saying

FIRE TERRY PENDLETON last year, yet I haven’t seen one person post a thing about Parrish. We haven’t been nearly as patient as we was last year, and its costing us runs. People were quick to criticize our hitting coach last year, but why isn’t anyone doing the same thing when our offense is probably doing worse than last year?

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

....lol

Just send down Hicks,

and convince Conrad that taking a walk isn’t the end of the world.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hicks + Conrad have come to the plate 10 total times

That’s not the issue. The fact that for some reason the most patient team in the league last year has turned into a bunch of hackers is. I don’t know if this is Parish’s doing or not. If it is he needs to go.

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by PWHjort on Apr 17, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really hoping it's because they learned that hitting coaches don't have that much of an impact.

But maybe that’s just me being optimistic.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

True hitting coaches have minimal impact on hitters but

They can screw a hitter up by trying to change the way they would normally do something. I’m not saying that’s the case for LP but the Braves need to start hitting.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they will.

There’s not always a “fix” for these things. Sometimes you just have to let stuff happen.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't be so sure about hitting

I don’t think anyone thought that McLouth would hit .190 last year but he did. I love the optimistic thinking though! Need more board member like you around lol!

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team, as a whole

has too much talent on it for the hitting to stay at this level all year. I’m not saying each-and-every player is going to do well, because one of them may in fact be having a poor year. But on the average, our hitting is going to improve.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's because

Last year no one could or would complain about bobby cox especially in his last year. so they shifted to TP. Now its OK to complain about the manager and so Fredi is the scapegoat.

by do_or_dye on Apr 17, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn’t a scapegoat if a loss is his fault.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait.....

So it was Gonzalez out there bunting not Hanson?!

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calling for the bunt was kind of silly.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but

nobody’s blaming Fredi for that particular result. The truth is that it was a poor decision, no matter how well or poorly Tommy happened to execute it.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kind of stupid decision...

I had hoped that Bobby took with him. I’ve seen far too many failed squeeze plays here in the last 20 years.

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by Sam Jethroe on Apr 17, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, if it worked, I would have been just as angry. The thing about baseball is that you can’t look back and say “oh well it worked anyway so what are you complaining about?” It’s too complex of a sport for that kind of analysis. The risk/reward is not there for that type of play, against TBA, and in the early innings. In fact, it’s never there, but adding those facts makes it an even dumber decision.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have been *just* as angry

the fact that we were lucky enough to get away with it would’ve quelled my disappointment somewhat… But it still would’ve been a major head-scratcher.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d have been angry at the decision, not at the result.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’m just saying, sometimes when it “works out” it makes the decision less painful. Doesn’t make it less of a bad decision, you’re just… less likely to dwell on it, I guess?

/shrug.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

With lowe or hudson, or maybe JJ it’s defensible, but not Beachy or Hanson- those two are horrible at the plate, even by pitcher standards.

Maybe Hanson belongs in the AL.

by Broccoman on Apr 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

no...

he belongs in bunting practice as much as possible. Pitchers need to be able to bunt.

by crimsonqueen9 on Apr 18, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reward compared to the risk of that situation is not worth it in the slightest.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The poeple that were complaining about Terry should have changed there tune now, as it seems its the players faults…

by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh god…here we go

"It's simply beyond words. It's incalculacable."

by Bravely going forward on Apr 17, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest problem with TP was that he preached aggressiveness with hitters like KJ, which hurt his production but helped his batting average (see 2007 numbers to 2008 numbers). Larry Parrish has been preaching the same thing, which I certainly don’t agree with. These hitters are going to hit, I just hope their walk totals don’t suffer because of what is being told to them by their hitting coach.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

TP preached that to certian hitter

Heyward in particular but BC also spoke up about Heyward being too selective and not aggressive as well.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope their walk totals don’t suffer because of what is being told to them by their hitting coach.

That’s exactly the sort of thing that I would classify as “altering their plate approach.”

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by Sam Jethroe on Apr 17, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think Fredi knows it too

He seems like one of those pretty self aware guy that understands when he messes up. I think he’ll be okay. It’s still hella early in the season…

I live in the OC.
The one in OH.

by MattBen on Apr 17, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should / Could / Would have won that one...

Suicide play was just that…….Suicide. Hinske at 3rd…. Hanson bunting… are you phucking kidding me? Have Hanson strike out (have him swing late if anything else) just so Prado gets his shot. In my mind, that could have been key.

Ok, so, any time Hicks steps into the box it’s an automatic out. Cool beans. He’s the Anti-Infante.

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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

It's still April guys and gals

I know we want to win and win now but it’s a 162 game season and it’s far from over Go Braves!!!

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah, and a game in April counts just as much as a game in Sept.

it’s just another tough loss because we could have won another one.

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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting tired of that expression.

Of course it counts the same. But most other teams in baseball are going through some early-season speed bumps, too.

If we’re going to have issues at any point in the season, it’s better to do it early than down the stretch.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

but Hanson isn’t pulling off any suicide bunt, man. Strike out, and let Prado get a chance.

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just wanted Prado to take the blame for this loss lol!

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, I don't have any issue with the idea that the squeeze was a bad call.

The expression I’m getting tired of is that “a game in April counts just as much as a game in Sept.”

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS and MORE O' THAT

….lol

"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!

by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanson looked good again, but we couldn’t get him enough runs. Still a lot of baseball to be played and things will change.

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought he was kinda wild at times… even with 9k’s I see that as another iffy outing. Put a more potent lineup against him and he gets lit up…

by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

so

what are the braves in pinch hitting situations now like 1 for 20

by Erihury on Apr 17, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t know the answer, but I’m thinking 0-22

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by bighop on Apr 17, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the post it says:
Braves pinch-hitters are still hitless: 0 for 23.

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by Sir Veza on Apr 17, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

iknorite

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by Sir Veza on Apr 17, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

With every at-bat, Brandon Hicks is proving that using the SSS in Spring Training to “earn” a spot on the team is ludicrous thinking. The guy has never hit and he has a good spring. They asked him the keys to success and he said he’s made “key adjustments in his swing”. Well….no shit.

I mean, what’s he supposed to say? “Well, I really can’t hit my way out of a paper bag, but I’m just closing my eyes and wacking away, and luckily, the bat hits the ball purty good”.

Brandon Hicks is a glove guy that is being used as a PH because we have to use him. He’s never going to see the field at SS, so why wouldn’t FW have made the smart move and have given the job to someone who can actually hit: Ed Lucas?

Between the roster construction, the lineup construction, and the bunt calls, I’m sort of fed up with upper management early on this year.

Before I get attacked, I’ll say this: I think Fredi Gonzalez and Frank Wren are good at their jobs, but there have been poor decisions made these first couple of weeks.

Send down Hicks! He offers nothing!

Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?

by ryan c on Apr 17, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry for the grammatical flaws...

The first paragraph should read:
“The guy has never hit, he has a good spring, and all of the other “data” goes out the window.

Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?

by ryan c on Apr 17, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll see a trade for a bench bat if this continues.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If memory serves

Lucas has the same sort of resume as Hicks, and just didn’t have as solid a spring. I can’t call that a bad decision at the time it was made.

Eventually we may want to reconsider, sure.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Lucas hasn’t made it to the Majors yet.

by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he could potentially be even worse, I guess?

I was talking about their minor league credentials. I don’t think Hicks’s time in the majors is worth talking about, because it doesn’t amount to much yet.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is just not true...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lucas-001edw

Brandon Hicks’ offense at 3A hasnt touched Ed’s. In fact, his OBP with Gwinnett last year was 100 points less than Ed’s OBP.

Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?

by ryan c on Apr 17, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to stop listening to what the game commentators say

and do my own damn research before I post anything about a given player’s performance.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can replace “Hicks” with “Conrad” and this entire post is still true.

At least Hicks is valuable as a PR/Def replacement.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Apr 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

So maybe we lost, but hey, look on the bright side! At least we…..uh…well…we at least,um………………………go Braves!

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by Braver on Apr 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Since July 21, 2010 Tommy Hanson has started 19 games. He has gone 6+ innings 13 times. In those 19 starts …
 
5 times he gave up 0 ER
5 times he gave up1 ER
3 times he gave up 2 ER

His record in those 19 starts is 3W / 7 L. While W-L doesn’t mean shit in determining a pitchers value, I’d guess that it matters to the pitcher somewhat. I hope the Braves score some runs for Tommy before too long, he has some pride and wants a decent record just like anybody else would. The lack of run support has to be maddening.

"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G

by bighop on Apr 17, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like we had another pitcher that suffered from terrible run support and in result had a bad W-L record, but I can’t remember his name.

by Braves24 on Apr 17, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well looks

like Hanson is gonna get sent down then released or traded

by Erihury on Apr 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we did

And rumor has it he flipped out in a meeting and is in pitcher “time out”….

"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G

by bighop on Apr 17, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like

ALL of our pitchers are suffering from terrible run support. But that will start to change, hopefully pretty soon.

by carloscollazo06 on Apr 17, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s nice to see the long ball so much this year, but I wish for all the other stuff to happen soon!

by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame this loss on

Heyward batting 2nd.

I am bi-winning. I win not only here but also there.

by Jman781 on Apr 17, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Now there’s an ironic comment.

Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.

by ChopMaster on Apr 17, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

"never give up outs with bases loaded..."

Unless that out is Tommy Hanson, in which case you fine him $5,000 for every time he lifts the bat off his shoulder.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

b/c i agree with every single one of these statements…it was literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen

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by SouthernPanther on Apr 17, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to agree...

Tommy’s going to be (and already kind of is) a hell of a pitcher, but when batting in a big spot like that, he needs to stand there, take three pitches, and let the professional hitters do their job behind him. Who knows…maybe he gets HBP’ed or walked….

by crimsonqueen9 on Apr 17, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Heyward batted second

We would have won this game.

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by MBL1 on Apr 17, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I lol'd.

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by Sarahbeth on Apr 18, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Losing is frustrating....

Prado will eventually get going and our pitching will become more consistent.

#notworried

by Braves Biceps on Apr 17, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm really, really, really trying to not get frustrated with Fredi Gonzalez,

but he’s starting to piss me off.

A suicide squeeze attempt in the 3rd inning of a 2-1 game on a 2-2 pitch with one out and our worst bunter at the plate? That’s just stupid.

While pinch hitting Chipper for Freeman in the 7th was OK, I didn’t like the move at the time and it might have cost us the game. Freeman has been killing the ball lately and the kid needed the opportunity to come up with his first big hit.

And finally, STOP BUNTING. Giving away an out (especially in the 9th inning) is incredibly stupid and he did it with Alex Gonzalez, who hit the ball well yesterday. He had Matt Young and Brooks Conrad coming up next, and no offense to either guy, but neither is a very good hitter.

#FUFG.

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by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

honestly....

I was praying against all odds that our pinch hitter with two outs in the 9th was going to be Ross. Brooks Conrad is…well….let’s face it, a AAAA player who got damn lucky last season. He’s an all-or-nothing hitter and his strikeout rate is abysmal. NEVER bat him with two outs in the 9th, please…at least Rossy had a better shot of putting the ball in play.

by crimsonqueen9 on Apr 17, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

i honestly dont get bunting with Tommy the worst hitter on the team

by Erihury on Apr 17, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really, really, really trying to not get frustrated with Fredi Gonzalez,

but he’s starting to piss me off.

A suicide squeeze attempt in the 3rd inning of a 2-1 game on a 2-2 pitch with one out and our worst bunter at the plate? That’s just stupid.

While pinch hitting Chipper for Freeman in the 7th was OK, I didn’t like the move at the time and it might have cost us the game. Freeman has been killing the ball lately and the kid needed the opportunity to come up with his first big hit.

And finally, STOP BUNTING. Giving away an out (especially in the 9th inning) is incredibly stupid and he did it with Alex Gonzalez, who hit the ball well yesterday. He had Matt Young and Brooks Conrad coming up next, and no offense to either guy, but neither is a very good hitter.

#FUFG.

I'm a former CTU agent, so don't f--k with me!

by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 17, 2011 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

So this whole “new addition to TC” thing was just a lie and it’s an alternate account for mvhsbball. I get it now!

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is the cover up? The cloak-and-dagger escapades? No delete or even apparent concern? No assassinations of people who know too much?

Their power is without limit and we should be afraid.

by GumpBrave on Apr 18, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plagiarism isn’t a joke, Jim.

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by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

/raspberry

I'm a former CTU agent, so don't f--k with me!

by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 17, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a glitch in the Matrix?

by GumpBrave on Apr 18, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really, really, really trying to not get frustrated with Fredi Gonzalez,

but he’s starting to piss me off.

A suicide squeeze attempt in the 3rd inning of a 2-1 game on a 2-2 pitch with one out and our worst bunter at the plate? That’s just stupid.

While pinch hitting Chipper for Freeman in the 7th was OK, I didn’t like the move at the time and it might have cost us the game. Freeman has been killing the ball lately and the kid needed the opportunity to come up with his first big hit.

And finally, STOP BUNTING. Giving away an out (especially in the 9th inning) is incredibly stupid and he did it with Alex Gonzalez, who hit the ball well yesterday. He had Matt Young and Brooks Conrad coming up next, and no offense to either guy, but neither is a very good hitter.

#FUFG.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Plagiarism isn’t a joke, Jim.

"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
Twitter: @scottcoleman55

by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bears, Beets

Battlestar Galactica.

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by duwanis on Apr 17, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing that gets me...

Is Freddi’s obvious lack of understanding of random variation. It has been 16 games and Freddi is talking about needing to “create runs.” He has a lineup with at least 5 above average to star level regulars, and he doesn’t beleive they will score runs? The present issues will correct themselves as they regress to the mean, but not if our manager is acting with the same amount of patience as a 5 year old in line for dessert. Please, give the players a chance to play and stop giving away outs.

by OrangeBravo on Apr 17, 2011 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Very solid post.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 17, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Sometimes I feel like Fredi doesn’t realize just how good this team is.

Forget about the solid pitching staff 1-12, but when you have guys like Jason Heyward, Dan Uggla, Brian McCann, Chipper Jones, and Martin Prado in one lineup, you shouldn’t have to play to fight for a run or two. They might be struggling, but they’re going to figure things out sooner rather than later.

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by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The present issues will correct themselves as they regress to the mean, but not if our manager is acting with the same amount of patience as a 5 year old in line for dessert.

He’s just being aggressive, you got to stop taking walks and get that bat off your shoulder and swing.

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by Lennox on Apr 18, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to tell him this ain't the Marlins.

The third-base umpire ran into the outfield and retrieved the biggest chunk. "It's a f***in' potato."

by alligatorimpersonator on Apr 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you’re going to make that call – you gotta know if your pitch can bunt or not – I see a learning curve here…

by Jaghomer on Apr 18, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I have a question....

Did everybody here think the game was over after the failed bunt attempt in the 3rd inning?There were 18 outs left and the Braves were down by 1 run to a mediocre pitcher on a horrific staff. Nice try Freddi! The Met announcer Gary Cohen was all over this managerial decision. That gave me some comfort that it was a good call. It is April 18th,and we aren’t in the World Series yet? Fire somebody

by mikie baseball on Apr 18, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course the game wasn't over.

But we turned what was a potentially big inning into a fizzle. We were still in the game, but the Mets had the advantage for the rest of those 18 outs rather than the other way around.

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by duwanis on Apr 18, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I,for one

Loved the call.Hanson did not execute,period. He gets paid a ton of money to put the bat on the ball,as well as pitch.it didn’t work,next inning,next game…They play 162 games and not 15 in baseball for a reason.I suspect Gary Cohen would not last 15 games as the Mets manager.

by mikie baseball on Apr 18, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

OK, so

out of all the money we’re paying Hanson, I’d bet you could ascribe maybe half a percent of it as going towards him hitting the ball. Hanson’s on this team because of his pitching, and obviously not because of anything else.

Why do you love the call? The chances of a double-play of some kind were through the roof, and with Prado and Heyward on-deck and in the hole, it’s not like we had to worry about the guys behind Hanson not being able to do something with the situation.

Yes, they do play 162 games instead of 15, that’s quite the astute observation. If we’re seeing calls that are so inherently lopsided from a risk/reward standpoint after 15 games, how many do you think we’ll see by the time the season’s over?

Gary Cohen has absolutely nothing to do with this.

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by duwanis on Apr 18, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Were you...

Surprised by the call? If that is the case, then one could argue that it had a better chance of a successful outcome. If Cox was the manager, I doubt the critics would have spoken as loudly. If Glavine,Maddux or Smoltz were the batter,I suspect they would have said they should have gotten the bunt down.I will reserve my judgements about Fredi after a few seasons worth of decisions,not a few weeks,and I like what I see so far. Cohen has nothing to do with this, you are correct.He is the Met announcer and a typical Met fan.They love being arm chair, after the fact critics of every decision by the manager.

by mikie baseball on Apr 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was surprised by the call

but that doesn’t mean anything. I would’ve been surprised by a call for a triple-steal, too, but that doesn’t mean it stands a better chance of being successful.

That call is always a bad call, no matter who’s managing, who’s bunting, or how successful it ultimately is.

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by duwanis on Apr 18, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Know the skills of your players. You could put in David Ross to pinch run for McLouth, then call for a steal. It would be surprising, mostly because it’d be a very stupid managerial move to make.

When a manager asks a player to do something that the player is known to not be good at, you can’t use failed execution on the part of the player as a defense for the manager.

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by Lennox on Apr 18, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just glad that so many people have said the things that I feel and that I don’t even have to create a post saying it. This is my post saying that I agree with some thing(s) on this thread.

Here is my slightly-OT-but-not-really observation/question: I’m seeing people complaining that Prado takes the first pitch, and some people complaining that he was swinging away too much…maybe my memory is just bad, and no one really complained about him swinging away too much? Someone please enlighten me.

Also, perhaps Prado is being told to take the first pitch…

OR maybe this is all a conspiracy by the Marlins, with whom Fredi is secretly in cahoots, to destroy the Braves internally so they can be the champions of the world!

?

Chicks dig the long ball.

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Chipper: Is that possible?

by kimrob1 on Apr 18, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think...

people are generally upset about the team’s apparent impatience, and this carries over to Prado when he swings at the first pitch.

From what I’ve seen, Prado’s approach hasn’t really changed too much. He’s not getting walks, sure, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a result of a change in how he’s approaching at-bats.

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by duwanis on Apr 18, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he looked the same, but I didn’t know if it was just my undying love for Prado blinding me.

Chicks dig the long ball.

DOB: Did you ever hit balls as hard as Jason Heyward does?
Chipper: Is that possible?

by kimrob1 on Apr 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s unfortunate that this team has the lowest OBP in the league after having the highest last year. One of those reasons is Prado not walking, along with Uggla, Nate, and Gonzalez.

Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"

by BenDuronio on Apr 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, one of those guys never really walks in the first place.

This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

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