Braves Fall To The Mets 3-2
Game One of the "Jason Heyward Bats Second" is in the books, but the end result could've been better.
Dillon Gee outlasted Tommy Hanson, tossing 5.2 innings and allowing only one run in spoiling the Braves' chances at sweeping the series. Gee was starting for Chris Young, who had been placed on the DL with biceps tendinitis.
The game didn't start out so well for Hanson. Jose Reyes led off the game with a double and scored on a Josh Thole single. He struck out David Wright, but hit Carlos Beltran with a pitch and surrendered a single to Ike Davis, scoring Thole.
The Braves would break through to Gee in the second. Dan Uggla led off the inning with a triple; then after Eric Hinske walked on four pitches, Freddie Freeman extended his hitting streak to nine games with an RBI single to score Uggla. They were able to load the bases with one out after Alex Gonzalez hit a bloop single, but Tommy Hanson failed to execute a squeeze bunt and the Mets caught Hinske in a rundown, squashing the rally.
In the fifth, the combination of Reyes and Thole struck again. Reyes led off with a single and soon stole second, his sixth stolen base of the season. Thole then drove him in with a single to center to increase their lead to 3-1. The Mets blew an opportunity to score in the sixth against reliever George Sherrill: Ike Davis led off with his fourth double of the season, but when Angel Pagan tried to lay down a sacrifice bunt, he popped it up to Sherrill and Davis was picked off second.
After Gee left the game with two outs in the sixth, Chris Capuano and R.A. Dickey kept the Braves offense at bay until the eighth. Leading off, Jason Heyward hit the first pitch he saw from Jason Isringhausen for a home run. Brian McCann followed with a walk, but with one out, he committed a costly base-running error in getting picked off first and ending the rally.
The Braves threatened to tie the game in the ninth. Chipper Jones walked to start the inning against Francisco Rodriguez and was at third with two outs, but Brooks Conrad struck out swinging to end the game.
The Mets snapped their seven-game losing streak with the win.
Tommy Hanson took his third loss of the season, but if there was anything to take away from his start, he logged nine strikeouts in five innings.
Braves pinch-hitters are still hitless: 0 for 23.
The Braves finish the home stand 4-5 and begin a 10-game road trip Monday.
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Game One of the “Jason Heyward Bats Second” experiment didn’t produce the results everyone expected.
right….
If anyone is ever teaching a class on coaching baseball
Keep a tape of this game around to show everyone how not to manage a game.
Overmanaging 101
Nathan Richard - Please come home. We all miss you.
by ATLandUNC on Apr 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can’t really say Gee outpitched Hanson. 6 base runners allowed, not including the intentional walk to Emaus. 9 strikeouts and one IBB.
Regardless, pretty poor game all around. One of those annoying losses.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Scratch that, seven base runners. I forgot the HBP.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
I can't keep scratching words at this pace man....
….my monitor is about f*cked. Says “FAI GRAPHS” in the bottom right-hand corner….
by Undocorkscrew on Apr 17, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Fredi as a scapegoat
I visit the site everyday and read just about everything, but don’t post a ton b/c I’m busy and I know if I posted a ton, I would lost waaaay too much time. But I feel like 90% of people on the site right now are just blaming everything on Fredi right now, and it’s stupid. At the end of the day, manager strategies usually change the results of only a handful of games per season. If all it took to be a manager was extensive baseball knowledge and insane number crunching, baseball teams everywhere would be hiring 25 year old Harvard grads with crazy baseball knowledge.
Managers are always going to make decisions we disagree with. Today for many in the OT, that was pinch hitting Chipper for Freddie, the suicide squeeze attempt, and bunting with Alex Gonzalez in the 9th inning. Now people can take their sides on these issues, but none of them are very big, and he didn’t “overmanage” this one. I am not going to get into any of those specifics, but I think more blame needs to start going on the players. We are 0-for in PH situations this year which is both mind boggling but also just a product of bad luck.
Bobby wasn’t perfect but he knew his players, got them motivated, stood up for them, and was just the man. We saw 20 years of his managing and to the end people would still criticize who he would put in from the bullpen and when he would let someone steal. we have seen 18 games out of Fredi Gonzalez and there are a number of people who I think are already rethinking the hire. Why? These men understand the actual game so much more than just about any of us here.
I get that people always have to disagree on something and be mad at someone when things aren’t going right. But I just think Fredi is taking too much blame from the fans right now. It’s still mid April, and as bad as we have played, we are still just two games under with 90% of the season left. And as soon as the bats start to hit consistently and percentages even out we will be fine, just don’t run Fredi out of town before that happens.
by elucas91 on Apr 17, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
The Braves hired him without actually giving any other person a reasonable chance at the job. They handpicked him, and it was not a good decision, in my opinion. People have a right to be uspet that he managed this game awfully and cost them a good shot at their first sweep of the season.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
So I guess Larry Parrish gets a pass huh?!?
I noticed that many folk are not talking about this hitting coach like the last guy. The Braves need to start hitting POINT BLANK!!! True you can point to the blunder in the 2nd inning but by in large that’s not why we lost.
You're totally right
Larry Parrish has single-handedly ruined all of our hitters.
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I think your new here
But at this point last season folk here were calling for TP’s head.
And they were wrong to do so, in my opinion.
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yea
but that sure didn’t stop them from saying the same thing over and over again
As are you guys……saying the same thing over and over again….
…the irony…
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So instead of complaining about how they're not complaining about it
just enjoy it. :P
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lol
I’m not complaining about people not complaining about Parrish, but I’m just very curious why no one has mentioned him as the source of our hitting problems.
Our “hitting problems” can be summed up by pinch-hitting guys like Nasty Nate and Hicks. It’s a strike-out/gound-out, every time. Guaranteed.
I’m not sensing any “collective hitting problems” for the rest of the team.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado having one walk 15 games into the season is a bit of a problem.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Here's the thing with Prado....
He’s taking the first strike pitch, as always, but last year he never had a problem making one of the two next pitches count.
He’s getting fooled, but making contact. So, like Uggla, I think it will eventually click.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He was in a 3-2 count and swung at ball four today and got out. Those are the problems. He never had a high walk percentage. If his average is low, he doesn’t have much value. Of course, he has great bat control and will hit for a good average, but he needs to take more walks — as do a bunch of members of this offense, but specificall the leadoff hitter.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
It’s going to be interesting to see how he handles everything “solo.”
I think Infante kept him straight alot of the time. Infante was the most underrated guy in baseball, last year. And that guy was Prado’s BFF.
Hitting lead-off can wear on you. Prado is in one of those funks where he hits the ball right at people. My guess is that in this road series, the ball will start dropping.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so, we need him to
His .257 on-base average from the leadoff spot is KILLING the offense. He’s not the only one responsible for the team’s offensive struggles, but that might be the biggest problem right now.
On the other hand his defense in LF has been legitimately great, so I’m happy he’s finding a way to be a contributor even when the hits aren’t falling. He still needs to walk more.
I also wish he wouldn’t take hittable first pitches so often. Batters rake when they put the first pitch in play.
"The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy." - Jon Heyman
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He's wayyyyyy too patient on the 1st pitch.
And pitchers know this that’s why they groove a 1st pitch strike to him almost every time.
And whats to be said when he swings on these great first pitch strikes he takes and they don’t fall? Will you complain that he should settle in more?
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking about doing a post about the analysis of the Braves’ lineup, if not roster. Rec or This this comment if you think I should attempt it. No, it won’t be just about Heyward batting second for the first time.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
by ChopMaster on Apr 17, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Uh, no
Thanks for trolling though.
"The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy." - Jon Heyman
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Me, trolling? Not on my own website, no sir!
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
I was talking to the person who I replied to.
"The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy." - Jon Heyman
Beyond the Box Score / Capitol Avenue Club / shwitter: @CapitolAvenue
Trolling? Nice buddy!
I have been here plenty of times… I just don’t always comment because it’s really har to do on my phone! I’m just kinda sick of the whole complaining bit some of you have going on here. It’s never enough….
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 18, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A deal that needs to take place:
Braves get: Omar Infante or Emilio Bonifacio
Marlins get: Edward Salcedo, Stefan Gartrell, and a Bish pitching prospect that isn’t left-handed.
Heyward lines a shot off the back of Collin Ballester, the Nats' pitcher and into left center field. The hit was so brutal, even Heyward could feel the vibration coming back at him.
That would suck. We’re gonna get Imhotep back in the offseason. Salcedo has looked amazing so far this year and is a top prospect
by PhuckthePhillies on Apr 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hicks, Young, Conrad, McLouth all SUCK.
JMR
by chicken little on Apr 17, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
McLouth sucks, but Prado and Uggla don’t. Okay then. How about none of them suck, and this many PA is too few to judge?
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
They don't suck, necessarily
Though, Hicks and Young might legitimately be too weak offensively to contribute in the Majors.
But it’s fair enough to say that McLouth, Prado, and Uggla are sucking right now. And that really is a problem.
Agreed on all accounts. There is one good bench hitter, and he’s really only good agaisnt RHP. I can’t count Rossy, because he’s never used in those situations.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
TP's still with the team, Jay.
Ch-Ch-Chill.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We hired Larry Parrish? I thought we hired Scott Steiner?
by Broccoman on Apr 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a lot of people were saying
FIRE TERRY PENDLETON last year, yet I haven’t seen one person post a thing about Parrish. We haven’t been nearly as patient as we was last year, and its costing us runs. People were quick to criticize our hitting coach last year, but why isn’t anyone doing the same thing when our offense is probably doing worse than last year?
....lol
Just send down Hicks,
and convince Conrad that taking a walk isn’t the end of the world.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hicks + Conrad have come to the plate 10 total times
That’s not the issue. The fact that for some reason the most patient team in the league last year has turned into a bunch of hackers is. I don’t know if this is Parish’s doing or not. If it is he needs to go.
"The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy." - Jon Heyman
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I'm really hoping it's because they learned that hitting coaches don't have that much of an impact.
But maybe that’s just me being optimistic.
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True hitting coaches have minimal impact on hitters but
They can screw a hitter up by trying to change the way they would normally do something. I’m not saying that’s the case for LP but the Braves need to start hitting.
And they will.
There’s not always a “fix” for these things. Sometimes you just have to let stuff happen.
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You can't be so sure about hitting
I don’t think anyone thought that McLouth would hit .190 last year but he did. I love the optimistic thinking though! Need more board member like you around lol!
The team, as a whole
has too much talent on it for the hitting to stay at this level all year. I’m not saying each-and-every player is going to do well, because one of them may in fact be having a poor year. But on the average, our hitting is going to improve.
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It's because
Last year no one could or would complain about bobby cox especially in his last year. so they shifted to TP. Now its OK to complain about the manager and so Fredi is the scapegoat.
It isn’t a scapegoat if a loss is his fault.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Wait.....
So it was Gonzalez out there bunting not Hanson?!
Calling for the bunt was kind of silly.
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I'm not saying that calling for the bunt wasn't a bad call but
Tommy still could have executed much better than he did.
Right, but
nobody’s blaming Fredi for that particular result. The truth is that it was a poor decision, no matter how well or poorly Tommy happened to execute it.
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The kind of stupid decision...
I had hoped that Bobby took with him. I’ve seen far too many failed squeeze plays here in the last 20 years.
"All told, Philadelphia stadiums house the most monstrous collection of humanity outside of the federal penal system." - GQ
Exactly, if it worked, I would have been just as angry. The thing about baseball is that you can’t look back and say “oh well it worked anyway so what are you complaining about?” It’s too complex of a sport for that kind of analysis. The risk/reward is not there for that type of play, against TBA, and in the early innings. In fact, it’s never there, but adding those facts makes it an even dumber decision.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
I wouldn't have been *just* as angry
the fact that we were lucky enough to get away with it would’ve quelled my disappointment somewhat… But it still would’ve been a major head-scratcher.
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I’d have been angry at the decision, not at the result.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
Yeah...
I’m just saying, sometimes when it “works out” it makes the decision less painful. Doesn’t make it less of a bad decision, you’re just… less likely to dwell on it, I guess?
/shrug.
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With lowe or hudson, or maybe JJ it’s defensible, but not Beachy or Hanson- those two are horrible at the plate, even by pitcher standards.
Maybe Hanson belongs in the AL.
no...
he belongs in bunting practice as much as possible. Pitchers need to be able to bunt.
by crimsonqueen9 on Apr 18, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
The reward compared to the risk of that situation is not worth it in the slightest.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
The poeple that were complaining about Terry should have changed there tune now, as it seems its the players faults…
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god…here we go
"It's simply beyond words. It's incalculacable."
by Bravely going forward on Apr 17, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest problem with TP was that he preached aggressiveness with hitters like KJ, which hurt his production but helped his batting average (see 2007 numbers to 2008 numbers). Larry Parrish has been preaching the same thing, which I certainly don’t agree with. These hitters are going to hit, I just hope their walk totals don’t suffer because of what is being told to them by their hitting coach.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red"
TP preached that to certian hitter
Heyward in particular but BC also spoke up about Heyward being too selective and not aggressive as well.
I just hope their walk totals don’t suffer because of what is being told to them by their hitting coach.
That’s exactly the sort of thing that I would classify as “altering their plate approach.”
"All told, Philadelphia stadiums house the most monstrous collection of humanity outside of the federal penal system." - GQ
Yeah I think Fredi knows it too
He seems like one of those pretty self aware guy that understands when he messes up. I think he’ll be okay. It’s still hella early in the season…
I live in the OC.
The one in OH.
This game started with so much promise
And ended with so much fail
Should / Could / Would have won that one...
Suicide play was just that…….Suicide. Hinske at 3rd…. Hanson bunting… are you phucking kidding me? Have Hanson strike out (have him swing late if anything else) just so Prado gets his shot. In my mind, that could have been key.
Ok, so, any time Hicks steps into the box it’s an automatic out. Cool beans. He’s the Anti-Infante.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
It's still April guys and gals
I know we want to win and win now but it’s a 162 game season and it’s far from over Go Braves!!!
by Jay212033 on Apr 17, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, and a game in April counts just as much as a game in Sept.
it’s just another tough loss because we could have won another one.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting tired of that expression.
Of course it counts the same. But most other teams in baseball are going through some early-season speed bumps, too.
If we’re going to have issues at any point in the season, it’s better to do it early than down the stretch.
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agree
but Hanson isn’t pulling off any suicide bunt, man. Strike out, and let Prado get a chance.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, I don't have any issue with the idea that the squeeze was a bad call.
The expression I’m getting tired of is that “a game in April counts just as much as a game in Sept.”
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THIS and MORE O' THAT
….lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Apr 17, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanson looked good again, but we couldn’t get him enough runs. Still a lot of baseball to be played and things will change.
I thought he was kinda wild at times… even with 9k’s I see that as another iffy outing. Put a more potent lineup against him and he gets lit up…
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
In the post it says:
Braves pinch-hitters are still hitless: 0 for 23.
"Kill my boss?! Do I dare live out the American dream?" - Homer Simpson
With every at-bat, Brandon Hicks is proving that using the SSS in Spring Training to “earn” a spot on the team is ludicrous thinking. The guy has never hit and he has a good spring. They asked him the keys to success and he said he’s made “key adjustments in his swing”. Well….no shit.
I mean, what’s he supposed to say? “Well, I really can’t hit my way out of a paper bag, but I’m just closing my eyes and wacking away, and luckily, the bat hits the ball purty good”.
Brandon Hicks is a glove guy that is being used as a PH because we have to use him. He’s never going to see the field at SS, so why wouldn’t FW have made the smart move and have given the job to someone who can actually hit: Ed Lucas?
Between the roster construction, the lineup construction, and the bunt calls, I’m sort of fed up with upper management early on this year.
Before I get attacked, I’ll say this: I think Fredi Gonzalez and Frank Wren are good at their jobs, but there have been poor decisions made these first couple of weeks.
Send down Hicks! He offers nothing!
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
sorry for the grammatical flaws...
The first paragraph should read:
“The guy has never hit, he has a good spring, and all of the other “data” goes out the window.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
If memory serves
Lucas has the same sort of resume as Hicks, and just didn’t have as solid a spring. I can’t call that a bad decision at the time it was made.
Eventually we may want to reconsider, sure.
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No
Lucas hasn’t made it to the Majors yet.
So he could potentially be even worse, I guess?
I was talking about their minor league credentials. I don’t think Hicks’s time in the majors is worth talking about, because it doesn’t amount to much yet.
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this is just not true...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lucas-001edw
Brandon Hicks’ offense at 3A hasnt touched Ed’s. In fact, his OBP with Gwinnett last year was 100 points less than Ed’s OBP.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
I'm going to stop listening to what the game commentators say
and do my own damn research before I post anything about a given player’s performance.
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You can replace “Hicks” with “Conrad” and this entire post is still true.
At least Hicks is valuable as a PR/Def replacement.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Apr 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Since July 21, 2010 Tommy Hanson has started 19 games. He has gone 6+ innings 13 times. In those 19 starts …
5 times he gave up 0 ER
5 times he gave up1 ER
3 times he gave up 2 ER
His record in those 19 starts is 3W / 7 L. While W-L doesn’t mean shit in determining a pitchers value, I’d guess that it matters to the pitcher somewhat. I hope the Braves score some runs for Tommy before too long, he has some pride and wants a decent record just like anybody else would. The lack of run support has to be maddening.
"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G
Seems like we had another pitcher that suffered from terrible run support and in result had a bad W-L record, but I can’t remember his name.
Yeah, we did
And rumor has it he flipped out in a meeting and is in pitcher “time out”….
"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G
It seems like
ALL of our pitchers are suffering from terrible run support. But that will start to change, hopefully pretty soon.
by carloscollazo06 on Apr 17, 2011 7:14 PM EDT reply actions
It’s nice to see the long ball so much this year, but I wish for all the other stuff to happen soon!
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Apr 17, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame this loss on
Heyward batting 2nd.
I am bi-winning. I win not only here but also there.
by Jman781 on Apr 17, 2011 8:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That squeeze attempt was flipping ridiculous
1) it’s the 3rd inning
2) we are down 2-1
3) Hanson is bunting, and slow
4) Theres 2 strikes
5) slow motion Hinske is at 3rd
6) bases are loaded, there’s a force at the plate
6) bases are loaded, Hanson is a DBP candidate
7) Prado is on deck with bases loaded
8) Heyward us in the hole, so Prado is going to get served
9) bases are loaded, so Prado is going to get served
10) never give up outs with bases loaded
Honestly, this might be the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time from our dugout…maybe ever!
Even if Hanson gets it down, Hinske is out at the plate! And probably Hanson is doubled up at 1st.
By the way, a AAA pitcher was on the mound and he was on the ropes. I repeat…WAS!
Dumb move!
by Braves12 on Apr 17, 2011 9:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
"never give up outs with bases loaded..."
Unless that out is Tommy Hanson, in which case you fine him $5,000 for every time he lifts the bat off his shoulder.
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rec'd
b/c i agree with every single one of these statements…it was literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Apr 17, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd have to agree...
Tommy’s going to be (and already kind of is) a hell of a pitcher, but when batting in a big spot like that, he needs to stand there, take three pitches, and let the professional hitters do their job behind him. Who knows…maybe he gets HBP’ed or walked….
by crimsonqueen9 on Apr 17, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If Heyward batted second
We would have won this game.
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by MBL1 on Apr 17, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Losing is frustrating....
Prado will eventually get going and our pitching will become more consistent.
#notworried
I'm really, really, really trying to not get frustrated with Fredi Gonzalez,
but he’s starting to piss me off.
A suicide squeeze attempt in the 3rd inning of a 2-1 game on a 2-2 pitch with one out and our worst bunter at the plate? That’s just stupid.
While pinch hitting Chipper for Freeman in the 7th was OK, I didn’t like the move at the time and it might have cost us the game. Freeman has been killing the ball lately and the kid needed the opportunity to come up with his first big hit.
And finally, STOP BUNTING. Giving away an out (especially in the 9th inning) is incredibly stupid and he did it with Alex Gonzalez, who hit the ball well yesterday. He had Matt Young and Brooks Conrad coming up next, and no offense to either guy, but neither is a very good hitter.
#FUFG.
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honestly....
I was praying against all odds that our pinch hitter with two outs in the 9th was going to be Ross. Brooks Conrad is…well….let’s face it, a AAAA player who got damn lucky last season. He’s an all-or-nothing hitter and his strikeout rate is abysmal. NEVER bat him with two outs in the 9th, please…at least Rossy had a better shot of putting the ball in play.
by crimsonqueen9 on Apr 17, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really, really, really trying to not get frustrated with Fredi Gonzalez,
but he’s starting to piss me off.
A suicide squeeze attempt in the 3rd inning of a 2-1 game on a 2-2 pitch with one out and our worst bunter at the plate? That’s just stupid.
While pinch hitting Chipper for Freeman in the 7th was OK, I didn’t like the move at the time and it might have cost us the game. Freeman has been killing the ball lately and the kid needed the opportunity to come up with his first big hit.
And finally, STOP BUNTING. Giving away an out (especially in the 9th inning) is incredibly stupid and he did it with Alex Gonzalez, who hit the ball well yesterday. He had Matt Young and Brooks Conrad coming up next, and no offense to either guy, but neither is a very good hitter.
#FUFG.
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So this whole “new addition to TC” thing was just a lie and it’s an alternate account for mvhsbball. I get it now!
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by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
/raspberry
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by TonyAlmeyda on Apr 17, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really, really, really trying to not get frustrated with Fredi Gonzalez,
but he’s starting to piss me off.
A suicide squeeze attempt in the 3rd inning of a 2-1 game on a 2-2 pitch with one out and our worst bunter at the plate? That’s just stupid.
While pinch hitting Chipper for Freeman in the 7th was OK, I didn’t like the move at the time and it might have cost us the game. Freeman has been killing the ball lately and the kid needed the opportunity to come up with his first big hit.
And finally, STOP BUNTING. Giving away an out (especially in the 9th inning) is incredibly stupid and he did it with Alex Gonzalez, who hit the ball well yesterday. He had Matt Young and Brooks Conrad coming up next, and no offense to either guy, but neither is a very good hitter.
#FUFG.
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Plagiarism isn’t a joke, Jim.
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by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Bears, Beets
Battlestar Galactica.
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The thing that gets me...
Is Freddi’s obvious lack of understanding of random variation. It has been 16 games and Freddi is talking about needing to “create runs.” He has a lineup with at least 5 above average to star level regulars, and he doesn’t beleive they will score runs? The present issues will correct themselves as they regress to the mean, but not if our manager is acting with the same amount of patience as a 5 year old in line for dessert. Please, give the players a chance to play and stop giving away outs.
Well said.
Sometimes I feel like Fredi doesn’t realize just how good this team is.
Forget about the solid pitching staff 1-12, but when you have guys like Jason Heyward, Dan Uggla, Brian McCann, Chipper Jones, and Martin Prado in one lineup, you shouldn’t have to play to fight for a run or two. They might be struggling, but they’re going to figure things out sooner rather than later.
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by Scott Coleman on Apr 17, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The present issues will correct themselves as they regress to the mean, but not if our manager is acting with the same amount of patience as a 5 year old in line for dessert.
He’s just being aggressive, you got to stop taking walks and get that bat off your shoulder and swing.
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Someone needs to tell him this ain't the Marlins.
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by alligatorimpersonator on Apr 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a question....
Did everybody here think the game was over after the failed bunt attempt in the 3rd inning?There were 18 outs left and the Braves were down by 1 run to a mediocre pitcher on a horrific staff. Nice try Freddi! The Met announcer Gary Cohen was all over this managerial decision. That gave me some comfort that it was a good call. It is April 18th,and we aren’t in the World Series yet? Fire somebody
Of course the game wasn't over.
But we turned what was a potentially big inning into a fizzle. We were still in the game, but the Mets had the advantage for the rest of those 18 outs rather than the other way around.
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I,for one
Loved the call.Hanson did not execute,period. He gets paid a ton of money to put the bat on the ball,as well as pitch.it didn’t work,next inning,next game…They play 162 games and not 15 in baseball for a reason.I suspect Gary Cohen would not last 15 games as the Mets manager.
OK, so
out of all the money we’re paying Hanson, I’d bet you could ascribe maybe half a percent of it as going towards him hitting the ball. Hanson’s on this team because of his pitching, and obviously not because of anything else.
Why do you love the call? The chances of a double-play of some kind were through the roof, and with Prado and Heyward on-deck and in the hole, it’s not like we had to worry about the guys behind Hanson not being able to do something with the situation.
Yes, they do play 162 games instead of 15, that’s quite the astute observation. If we’re seeing calls that are so inherently lopsided from a risk/reward standpoint after 15 games, how many do you think we’ll see by the time the season’s over?
Gary Cohen has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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Were you...
Surprised by the call? If that is the case, then one could argue that it had a better chance of a successful outcome. If Cox was the manager, I doubt the critics would have spoken as loudly. If Glavine,Maddux or Smoltz were the batter,I suspect they would have said they should have gotten the bunt down.I will reserve my judgements about Fredi after a few seasons worth of decisions,not a few weeks,and I like what I see so far. Cohen has nothing to do with this, you are correct.He is the Met announcer and a typical Met fan.They love being arm chair, after the fact critics of every decision by the manager.
by mikie baseball on Apr 18, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I was surprised by the call
but that doesn’t mean anything. I would’ve been surprised by a call for a triple-steal, too, but that doesn’t mean it stands a better chance of being successful.
That call is always a bad call, no matter who’s managing, who’s bunting, or how successful it ultimately is.
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Know the skills of your players. You could put in David Ross to pinch run for McLouth, then call for a steal. It would be surprising, mostly because it’d be a very stupid managerial move to make.
When a manager asks a player to do something that the player is known to not be good at, you can’t use failed execution on the part of the player as a defense for the manager.
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I’m just glad that so many people have said the things that I feel and that I don’t even have to create a post saying it. This is my post saying that I agree with some thing(s) on this thread.
Here is my slightly-OT-but-not-really observation/question: I’m seeing people complaining that Prado takes the first pitch, and some people complaining that he was swinging away too much…maybe my memory is just bad, and no one really complained about him swinging away too much? Someone please enlighten me.
Also, perhaps Prado is being told to take the first pitch…
OR maybe this is all a conspiracy by the Marlins, with whom Fredi is secretly in cahoots, to destroy the Braves internally so they can be the champions of the world!
?
Chicks dig the long ball.
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Chipper: Is that possible?
I think...
people are generally upset about the team’s apparent impatience, and this carries over to Prado when he swings at the first pitch.
From what I’ve seen, Prado’s approach hasn’t really changed too much. He’s not getting walks, sure, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a result of a change in how he’s approaching at-bats.
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It’s unfortunate that this team has the lowest OBP in the league after having the highest last year. One of those reasons is Prado not walking, along with Uggla, Nate, and Gonzalez.
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Well, one of those guys never really walks in the first place.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
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