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Braves Lose Hyde And Ortegano Off Waivers

According to David O'Brien at the AJC, the Braves attempted to clear left-handed pitchers Jose Ortegano and Lee Hyde off the 40-man roster by passing them through waivers. Both pitchers, however, were claimed. Hyde was claimed by the Nationals, and Ortegano was claimed by the Yankees.

This is a bizarre move, as I viewed Ortegano as possible rotation depth at triple-A, and Hyde as left-handed relief depth at triple-A. Hyde especially seemed to have a Major League path ahead of him in the bullpen, though it's likely good news for him as the Nationals will use him in the Majors much sooner than the Braves would have.

There was no apparent need to clear any 40-man roster space. The Braves could have placed Kris Medlen on the 60-day disabled list which would have opened up a spot, or they could have finally removed Billy Wagner from the roster.

Perplexing, but I guess they thought Hyde and Ortegano were so far down the depth chart they would never be used. At the very least I would have thought that they would have some nominal trade value, especially considering how quickly they were claimed, but the Braves know their players better than anyone, and they're usually right about this sort of thing.

[UPDATE: 3/23 @ 7:20Ppm]

A couple of tweets from Mark Bowman shed a little more light on these moves:

Don't make too much out of waiver claims. Ortegano was 84-86 mph in camp. No future in ATL. Hyde just had 2 many injuries early in career

And the second tweet:

Gives Braves flexibility to add more attractive pieces to 40-man. Will be a benefit when clubs try to sneak players through waivers next wk

Braves must think there are some players who will be put on waivers next week. Players they have likely been following and like. The more I think about it too, these guys were behind a lot of other relievers in the Braves system, and the probably had no chance of making the club this year or next. They were also cut very early from camp.

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Losing them is too bad. Oh well, I hope they’re successful.

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by TonyAlmeyda on Mar 23, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

well, maybe there’s a reason coming soon (trade, or something cooler that we don’t even know exists yet).

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by ryan c on Mar 23, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

something cooler that we don’t even know exists yet

They finally got around to inventing the hypertrade?!?!?!

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by duwanis on Mar 23, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe

The entire Cuban National team is defecting and we’re signing ALL of them.

by Bronn on Mar 23, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems too weird

Why give up a player that has value and get nothing in return if you don’t have to?

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by Doghnut on Mar 23, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Making room for Ed Lucas maybe?

by gilley on Mar 23, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow failure :(

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by MikeTrain on Mar 23, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Very Weird

Who could they need room for, Lucas and Ramirez? Why not juggle Wagner and Meds? Doesn’t make sense.

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by bighop on Mar 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm..that's strange.. I would have thought

They could have been packaged for something.. But maybe they are just trimming the fat.. But would think they would at least shop them around a little..

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by SidFreeman on Mar 23, 2011 6:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Really bizzare

I hope these moves don’t bite us in the future, even while wishing these players well. I would have thought that these guys would be possible pieces in a later trade. It’s too bad that we couldn’t sneak them through the waiver.

by LEastCoastBears on Mar 23, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't think that Hyde has any value

But it’s strange to lose Ortegano like that. For absolutely nothing.

by Bronn on Mar 23, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

More on Ortegano

Okay, he had a rough year last year in AAA. The kid is only 23. He was great in AA in 2009. And heck, he wasn’t even THAT bad last year-had a little bit of bad luck. He won’t be 24 until August, and he may yet develop into a serviceable 5th starter. Granted, not likely to happen for the Yankees, but he was valuable.

by Bronn on Mar 23, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sent a question to Frank Wren to BravesBanter for tomorrow night, sent it earlier today, wish I had known this before I sent the question.

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by bighop on Mar 23, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

This saddens me. I’ve always liked Hyde and think Ortegano could eventually be a dominate type lefty bullpen arm.

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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks for the update, starting to make more sense. Now if they would just do something about Wagner.

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by bighop on Mar 23, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright...I'm starting to really wonder now.

I can understand letting go of Ortegano and Hyde, but why in the world is Wagner still here? It doesn’t take 5 months to file retirement papers and he’s using a roster spot.

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by Scott Coleman on Mar 23, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

All I keep thinking about is that maybe Wagner doesn’t want his career to end the way it did, having to exit a playoff series due to injury. He didn’t retire for any reason than to spend time with his family, but maybe he’s considering coming back half way through the season. He’ll only be away from his family for a few months instead of eight, and he gets a chance to end his career on a better note.

I’m not getting my hopes up, but I can’t help but wonder.

by gilley on Mar 23, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

can’t he go on to a restricted list or something that removes him from the 40 man but keeps him obligated to the Braves should he come back? There’s got to be an option considering he failed to show up for spring training.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 24, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • his roster spot

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by JonnyBravesFan on Mar 23, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Disappointed to see Hyde go.

I’ll always like him because of the GT connection and thought he might have a future as a reliever with Atlanta.

Ortegano I couldn’t care less about losing.

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by PWHjort on Mar 23, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed on both.

I’m especially sad to see Hyde go. He was one of the few Braves players who I actually had an autograph for.

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by Scott Coleman on Mar 23, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roster spots

Well here are a few names that could be released or traded in the next week. These guys are on the outside looking in and may not have a place

1. Mark Derosa
2. Ryan Doumit
3. Ryan Spilbourghs- not likely but possible

by mauck98 on Mar 23, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

MLBTR says Fredi wants another RH hitter for the bench

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by bighop on Mar 23, 2011 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Because the 3-4 bench spots that are already going to RH hitters just aren’t enough?

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by Lennox on Mar 24, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Qualifying Diory Hernandez as a “hitter” might be inaccurate.

I think he’d like to have RH back-up for first base. We could always move Prado to first, but then, Eric Hinske is probably our best back-up option for left field, so we still end up with that lefty in the line-up.

by Bronn on Mar 24, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of Lucas or Hernandez is on the team, so Mather + another righty would mean three right handed guys, but I think that the new guy would mean that Mather gets cut, and Matt Young makes the team as the fourth outfielder.

by gilley on Mar 24, 2011 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

My own suspicion

is that this comment about wanting a RH complement to Hinske is speaking very loudly that Joe Mather Ain’t Turning Out To Be The Guy We’d Hoped He Would Be.

Mather’s slash line this spring in 42 ABs? .119/.196/.143
That’s it: 5 hits, one double.

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by carpengui on Mar 24, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

We also may be getting Scott Diamond back or a MINN player for 40 man roster

The Twins want to keep him but not on the 25 man roster.
They have to give him back to the Braves or make a trade for him

by Rick Z on Mar 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

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