Fan Projections For Atlanta Braves Outfielders
Last week we took a look at the somewhat cautious fan projections for the Atlanta Braves infielders, this week we are reviewing the fan projections for the Braves outfielders. While the infield projections where not too terribly biased for the home team, the outfield projections certainly are. Here are the results, as an average of all the submissions:
| Player (Fan Projection) | PA | AVG | OBP | HR |
| Martin Prado | 621 | .308 | .368 | 16 |
| Nate McLouth | 550 | .265 | .346 | 17 |
| Jason Heyward | 597 | .297 | .401 | 27 |
And for comparison, here are the career rate stat averages for these players:
| Player (Career Averages) | AVG | OBP |
| Martin Prado | .307 | .356 |
| Nate McLouth (total) | .252 | .337 |
| Pittsburgh Nate | .261 | .339 |
| Atlanta Nate | .229 | .330 |
| Jason Heyward (majors) | .277 | .393 |
| Jason Heyward (minors) | .318 | .391 |
Prado's projection is not really out of line with his career numbers, though his OBP is likely a little high. The fans are clearly swayed by the good spring that Nate McLouth is having, and they attributed numbers to him that are more in line with the kind of hitter he was in Pittsburgh -- and even then these numbers are very optimistic.
Heyward's numbers are not surprising, as most people would expect a young player like him to improve some in his second year in the league. Still, the on-base number seems a bit high, especially if he's asked to be a more aggressive hitter in the sixth spot of the lineup.
Braves outfielders haven't hit this many home runs (the total of 60 projected above) since the year before Andruw Jones left. While AJ hasn't been the same player in the intervening years, the Braves still sorely missed the power production of a player of his caliber.
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Let's go Braves!!
Can we hurry up and get the season started? I’m excited to see what 2011 holds
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I said it back in the infield projections thread...
…and I’ll say it again: I don’t think the projections for the infielders were that conservative. I think they were reasonably homeristic (I mean, for crying out loud, Gonzo was projected to have an OBP over .310). I think the OF projections are pretty much in line with the infield projections: not wildly homeristic, but a little optimistic.
For the OF, I think the HR projections are probably too high for Heyward and Prado. The rest of the numbers for Heyward and Prado don’t seem too bad. As you note, Prado’s OBP is a bit high, but that is about it. I see the rate stats for Heyward as reasonable; he is very young and improvement is more likely than regression.
I don’t think that the whole hitting sixth thing should factor into Heyward’s projections: like protection, I think it is a bit of a myth, and Heyward will hit like Heyward. At least I hope he doesn’t try to be overagressive just because of batting order position. Also, just because Heyward starts the season batting sixth, it doesn’t mean that he’ll end the season batting sixth. I assume he’ll hit third when Chipper has a day off. And who knows what will happen to the lineup. Remember, Heyward started last season hitting sixth, too.
Finally, as for McLouth. The rate stats look a bit optimistic, but I think he can reach the HR mark.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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I agree with Prado's OBP and Mclouth but
Heyward is going to hit 30 HRs this year
Heyward
While the home runs for Heyward (projected by Gondee) through the fans input, may be a bit high, I am comforted by the fact that JayHey doesn’t set out to hit them. If he ends up with a combined total of 60-65 (home runs and doubles), I think that we should measure his offensive production a success.
I think 20-25 HR are a bit more realistic
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McLouth
17 HRs seems almost nuts to me, but I like the optimism. If he hits .265, based on history and standard deviation, Braves fans should be happy. If he somehow hits .275 or higher, fans should be ecstatic.
Those Heyward numbers seem pretty reasonable to me. If he hadn’t been hurt, he might well have surpassed those last year.
The Prado numbers look right on.
I’m not as optimistic as many about McLouth, but he was very unlucky last year. Even a modest rebound could put him within striking distance of the fan’s projection.
It will be nice finally having an effective offense in the outfield after so many years of crap.
Why
Are so many people back on the McLouth bandwagon? No way he hits over .230 this year. He’s having a great Spring teeing off against the Mutts and Natinals 4-A pitchers
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by HansonManCrush on Mar 22, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Forget his ST numbers
and look at how he’s approaching his ABs. That’s why people are back on the bandwagon.
I don’t know that he’ll hit .265, but I think we can certainly expect a good improvement over last year.
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No way he hits over .230 this year.
I’d very easily bet a case of beer on the over at that standard. Are you really sure you want to stick with that?
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by HansonManCrush on Mar 22, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting that “Pitsburgh Nate” has a career BA .032 higher than “Atlanta Nate”, yet his career OBP is only.009 higher. While I don’t have exact numbers, he was walking about once every 10 PA with the Pirates in 08 and 09. He has walked approx once every 8.5 PA with the Braves. So, if he can maintain the better eye and find his batting form again, .346 OBP may be within reach. He is the biggest question mark left right now, as Chipper appears to be healthy.
I think the Prado and Heyward projections are pretty much on target. Heyward had an OBP of .393 last year and that included the sore thumb. He hit well in the 6th spot at the beginning of the season. While I don’t know how much protection matters, he will have more protection with Gonzalez and Freeman hitting behind him, than he had last year. I also can see him batting 4th or 5th when McCann has a day off, depending on whether a lefty or a righty is pitching. That would be something, if both he and Chipper are around .400 OBP and Uggla is batting behind them. I can also see him hitting 3rd when Chipper has a day off.
I honestly think the way Nate is approaching the plate this year..
His OBP will be more in the .355-365 range..he looks to be taking good pitches and hitting good pitches..if he keeps up this spring performance it can only mean good things..cause basically besides all the injuries and etc all that was lacking last year through the year was solid center field production.. JMHO.
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If we get this production out of our outfield I will be incredibly thrilled
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by SouthernPanther on Mar 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
Name change...
Sid Glaus…nice to see you keeping current.
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by Scott Coleman on Mar 22, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Well played my friend.
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by Scott Coleman on Mar 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That McLouth projection is craaaaaazy. I mean, he’ll certainly improve on last year’s AVG and HRs… but only because there’s no way he could be any worse. Still, to expect him to be slightly better than he was in Pittsburgh? That is ridiculous.
I’d expect somewhere around the midpoint of the Pittsburgh Nate and Atlanta Nate numbers. So around .245 AVG, .335 OBP, and a low-to-mid .400s SLG. And of course he’ll be awful in CF. If we get 2 WAR out of him, we should count ourselves very fortunate.
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I feel like the Heyward projection is over the top
at least, the 27 homers are. McLouth, I expect around .250/.335/.435. Basically his career averages. And I’m thrilled with that from him.
Heyward might hit 23 homers. I wouldn’t go any higher if I had to put money on it. As for his AVG/OBP, I like those where they are. I think he can cut down on the Ks a bit, get down closer to a 20% strike out percentage, and increase his average, which will raise his OBP over the .400 mark. In fact, his OBP could end up even higher than the somewhat-optimistic .401 if he’s hitting ahead of Freeman and Gonzalez most of the year.

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