Atlanta Braves Making The Team Meter 2011: Week 3
The third week of the Atlanta Braves Making the Team Meter (MTM), and this week we combine the pitchers and the hitters into one post. There were a flurry of cuts from the spring roster yesterday, so the MTM says goodbye to pitchers Lee Hyde, Jose Ortegano, Randall Delgado, Michael Broadway, Jay Sborz, Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, and Brett Oberholtzer, infielder Tyler Pastornicky and outfielder Mycal Jones. All of these guys had red down arrows, so the MTM wasn't projecting them for the team anyway.
As alwyas we'll assume that there is a group that has already made the team, a pretty safe assumption with these guys:
Starters: Tim Hudson, Derek Lowe, Jair Jurrjens, and Tommy Hanson (1 spot available)
Relievers: Peter Moylan, Jonny Venters, George Sherrill, Eric O'Flaherty, and Scott Linebrink (2 spots available)
Lineup: Brian McCann, Dan Uggla, Alex Gonzalez, Chipper Jones, Martin Prado, Nate McLouth, and Jason Heyward (1 spot available, first base)
Reserves: Eric Hinske and David Ross (3 spots available)
The open bullpen spot is still a dog fight between a lot of guys. Martinez probably deserves it over Proctor at this point, but there's still a lot of spring left and an out of options guy like Proctor will probably make it over a guy with options like Martinez -- meaning this bullpen fight we thought was there is not really there. We'll keep an eye on it, and if Proctor regresses he could get cut.
The players who were front runners for the bench jobs are all doing pretty bad, while some upstarts are doing really well. This has all been reflected below.
Where I have "Cut" listed for This Week's Trend, that's me saying the player is cut from the MTM; meaning the team didn't cut him, but I have determined he no longer has a shot at making the team out of spring training, so there's no need to keep him on this list for next week.
| Player, Position | This Week's Trend | Last Week | Notes and Comments |
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| Juan Abreu, RHP |
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His last couple of outings have been much better, he's starting to look like he might actually have some Major League bullpen potential, but not this year. |
| Jairo Asencio, RHP |
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He's pitching well and doing everything he needs to do to make the team. I'm still impressed that he's pitching this well after not playing pro ball last year. I'm going to move him up a notch. He's starting to look like a dark horse for the pen. |
| Brandon Beachy, RHP |
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He's had a few innings this spring where he's lost it. He'll be cruising along and then lose control and give up hits and runs all of a sudden. Weird. Tells me he needs some more minor league seasoning. Moving him down a notch. |
| Cory Gearrin, RHP |
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I don't think he'll survive the next cut, he's just been too wild. |
| Craig Kimbrel, RHP |
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Getting better, and it's all about how you finish, right? He faced a soft minor league lineup the last time he pitched, we'll have to see how he does today. |
| Stephen Marek, RHP |
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The stuff is there, though he's been a bit walk prone lately. He needs some better outings as others are moving ahead of him. Drops a bit. |
| Cristhian Martinez, RHP |
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Very, very impressive his last time out. I almost gave him a green arrow, and if the season started today he probably makes the team. Let's watch a few more outings, though, see how he does. |
| Mike Minor, LHP |
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Still rolling, doing everything the team wants him to do. I wonder why we're not hearing more about him this spring. |
| Scott Proctor, RHP |
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Getting better with each successive outing, though the shell shock of his first couple of outings still linger. |
| Anthony Varvaro, RHP |
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He slides back down a notch after a rough outing, and other relievers moving ahead of him. |
| Johan Flande, LHP |
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He finally made it into a game and got tagged with a 2-run home run. I'm actually surprised he didn't go in the first round of cuts. Whatever, I'm cutting him. |
| Kenshin Kawakami, RHP |
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He debut's today. Yay! |
| Rodrigo Lopez, RHP |
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Decentish. He did strike out Albert Pujols twice, that was impressive. He'll be a good reserve at triple-A ... hopefully. |
| Player, Position | This Week's Trend | Last Week | Notes and Comments |
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| Brooks Conrad, IF |
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Still doing his best Nate McLouth imitation from last spring -- he is just 2-for-18 with 6 strikeouts. We're only half way home, so there's still time for Brooksy to turn it around. |
| Freddie Freeman, 1B |
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He's proven to be a streaky hitter this spring, collecting hits in bunches. |
| Diory Hernandez, IF |
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Same as last week: "Just playin his role as backup, doin his thang. He's the no frills backup option." He's cooled down a bit at the plate. |
| Brandon Hicks |
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He's gotten a few hits lately, though I still don't have a read on how the team feels about him. He's clearly a backup, but I get the feeling he's not favored over Diory. |
| Joe Mather, IF/OF |
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The lack of hits are a concern for me, combined with his shaky corner infield defense, so I'm going to move him down a notch. |
| Jordan Schafer, OF |
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He's not hitting, and clearly needs some time in the minors. I think he'll be among the next round of cuts. |
| Matt Young, OF |
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He's making himself more valuable by playing some second and third base in addition to the outfield, and he's starting to hit a bit more. Has a better shot than most because he's on the 40-man, but still an outside shot. |
| Shawn Bowman, IF |
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Not sure why he wasn't in the first round of cuts, though he should be in the next round. Has played good defense, but hasn't hit much. We'll cut him. |
| Ed Lucas, IF |
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I still really like this guy. He continues to hit and play everywhere in the field. Most impressive: he has just one strikeout in 18 at-bats -- that could make him a good hit-and-run contact hitter off the bench. I'm going to make the bold move of giving him a green arrow and put him ahead of everyone else for the backup infield job. |
| Brent Clevlen, OF |
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Now that he's starting to play a little more he's getting some hits and playing good D. He may be the definition of "replacement level." |
| Jose Constanza, OF |
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He's supposed to have good speed, but you've got to get on base to use it. That's been a problem. He hangs around through this first round of cuts because of the backup center field job, but he probably gets cut in the next round. |
| Wilkin Ramirez, OF |
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Still swinging a good bat, and doing it rather quietly. He played some center field recently, and he's played a decent amount of center in the minors. If his bat continues to look better than Mather's, then he might get some serious thought for a backup outfield job. The potential for a good player is certainly there. Moving him up a notch, but for now he's still a bit of a long shot. |
| Wilkin Castillo, C/IF/OF |
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Hey, he survived the first round of Braves cuts, but he's not going to survive our cut. I put him on here because I thought he'd be used at some other infield positions, but he's only played catcher sparingly. |
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Give me...
Minor
Kimbrel / Martinez
Freeman
Brooksy / Lucas / Diory
and I’ll be a happy man. Pretty sure that’s what you’ve got here but didn’t really check
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by SuperNewb on Mar 11, 2011 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Your suggested bench...
…would leave us without anyone who can play center.
McLouth/JHey
I think Freddie is quoted as saying JHey is an option in cf if needed
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Then we would need a right fielder.
And the thought of Hinske out there makes me cringe.
Yeah I was thinking of Mather
But he’s not SN’s original list.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
I would say it will be one of Lucas/Hernandez...
Only because Lucas plays all over… I would switch the other with Wilkin personally.
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Mar 11, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be happy with this...
Martinez>>>>>>Proctor, and Young can be backup OF… Good choices! And Lucas is def growin on me
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Mar 11, 2011 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly
we know Brooks is a liability in the field, and he hasn’t been swinging the bat at all
Young can play CF/LF, Diory can play 2B/SS, and Lucas can play all over, I like it
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Mar 12, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Does ESPN even know there’s a team in Atlanta?
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Mar 11, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only win they can insult them.
(cuts to a picture of ESPN performing oral sex on big market teams)
by thenightstallion on Mar 11, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Actually Buster Olney is leaning towards picking the Braves, and Bobby Valentine said he wasn’t so sure about Philly either.
Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.
Plus
ESPN has written quite a few stories about the Braves this year. To say the Braves havent gotten their fair share of pub isn’t fair.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Can Proctor pitch multiple innings?
Also, he’s been atrocious for us last year and this spring. Aside from his contract, why is he even in the conversation?
I get physically sick
everytime that Proctor came in last year I got nervous… I can’t remember his numbers but they weren’t great. plz cut this guy Freddi!
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
So, you got nervouse each and every one of those 6 times that Proctor made an appearance last season, for a total of 5.1 innings.
You can’t remember his numbers, because he didn’t pitch. He had some major setbacks from his surgery.
He pitched 2 innigns today and looked decent in both.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Mar 11, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Kimbrel, Martinez in the pen
Lucas, Young, Ramirez to the bench.
That’s a lot of OF on the bench, but with Prado coming into the infield on a regular basis, we will need it.
"It's like winning a war...you need arms and money." Fredi G
You have me confused, gondee.
Is this what you want to happen or what you think is going to happen? Either way it doesn’t make much sense to me. For starters, the math is bad—-you have more players listed in the bullpen with a greater than 50/50 chance of making the team than can actually make the team. Kimbrell, Proctor and Martinez can’t all make the team unless there is an injury, yet all are listed as having a better than 50/50 chance.
I also don’t think your suggested bench grounp—-the three you have listed with a better than 50/50 shot, Lucas, Conrad, and Hernandez—-could possibly be the three taken. We would want someone on the bench who can play center and that group is too many infielders. There isn’t much point in having both Diory and Lucas on the roster.
Finally, I think you are in denial on Conrad when you still list him as having a good shot at making the team. There is one spot for Conrad or Mather, and Conrad has options while Mather doesn’t. And while Mather has not hit well, Conrad has been worse. I can’t see how Mather doesn’t have the advantage on that one right now. Certainly not a situation where Conrad has a good chance and Mather is less than 50/50.
Cosigned.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Mar 11, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Add in Marek...
…having a slightly less than 50% chance and there isn’t enough room to make it work.
And Kimbrel is 100%, who are we kidding?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Mar 11, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not
If they option him to Gwinnett to work on his command
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Mar 11, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I’ll give you 99%.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Mar 11, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I am Justin and I approve this message.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Mar 11, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ramirez, Young and Lucas for me
And Martinez for the pitcher over Proctor
by PhuckthePhillies on Mar 11, 2011 6:04 PM EST reply actions
Matt Young
I have tickets to the home opener and would love to see Matt Young run out on the field when the team is introduced to start the season. Call me old school but I love to see guys that can score runs with their speed and ability to get on base. He also is valuable in that he can play five different positions. He seems to have proven himself at the AAA level. I hope the Braves give him a shot.

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