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What is that loud Schafer buzz I'm hearing?
I guess after only a couple of days of ST full-squad workouts, its more than a little early to get too excited, but it appears our once and future CFer, 24 year young Jordan Schafer is once again turning heads.
In dueling articles, Bowman and O'Brien each discuss how impressive he has looked and each posit the (more or less identical) question: Could Schafer make the team or even steal the starting role from McLouth?
To me, this is a fantastic development for the Braves and young Jordan's obviously confident statements are just hugely encouraging.
“How do I feel? Like [bleeping] success. Unbelievably good."
“I felt good coming in, but this is way beyond anything I could have expected. I couldn’t ask for anything more. This is the best that I’ve felt coming into any spring training, as far as being prepared, as far as strength-wise, just everything.”
"I feel comfortable with everything,” he said. “I don’t have any [pain].”
“The first day I was out here, Chip [Chipper Jones] was like, your swing is so much better now,” Schafer said, “because my hands are going down to the ball. I’ve tried to limit everything – no fly balls, just line drives. Try not to hit any home runs in [batting practice]. Just try to be more of a productive leadoff-type hitter that will get on base.”
So, I'm thinking this will be something to really watch over the next four or five weeks. Please check out the articles and comment away, if so inclined.
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It's all well and good
…but, as much as I’m worried about a continued McFail situation in CF, Schafer has a lot of proving ground to make up to me. Best case scenario is still McLouth finding his groove (to some degree, anyway) and living up to some of his fat contract on his walk year and Scafer spending more time at AAA making up for lost time and being ready to be a serious CF option for 2012 to spare us free agency money.
I couldn't have said it better
Best case scenario is that Mclouth has a good contract year and walks away to sign with another team while Schafer stays healthy and tears up the minors so he can take over in 2012.
If Schaefer is good, McLouth can be benched. We shouldn’t care about his contract year.
Healthy Schaefer > Good McLouth, and we’re legitimate contenders- shouldn’t be saving people if they can help the team.
Schaefer with his issues won’t be a huge money arb player anyways
Crazy to think...
that Schafer’s arb clock is actually behind Heyward’s.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
If Mclouth is good, then Mclouth will not be bench. Way too much money for him to sit on the bench especially if he is playing to around his career average. Healthy Schafer hasn’t played a full season in three years, but yea he definitely should start over a productive Mclouth.
tell that to eddy curry
how much money they’re making does not determine how much they’re on the field
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
by BravesRaleigh on Feb 21, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
This
Just because you paid for a shit sandwich doesn’t mean you have to eat it.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 21, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
swallows Are you freaking kidding me?!?!
by thenightstallion on Feb 22, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't have said it better
Best case scenario is that Mclouth has a good contract year and walks away to sign with another team while Schafer stays healthy and tears up the minors so he can take over in 2012.
Or more...
McLouth plays well, can be moved for prospects come May/June, when a healthy Schafer takes over, with a decent future piece added to the mix.
Interesting to me the leadoff comment, foreboding Fredi’s plans perhaps?
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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 21, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
proving ground to make up?
why? he played very well until he got injured and is recovering, does chipper have something to prove to you too?
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
by BravesRaleigh on Feb 20, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
He played well for a month. Not quite the same as 17 years.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
If by "played very well"...
you mean something like two weeks, I don’t think you have much to stand on. After launching his first at-bat in Philly, it wasn’t long at all until he was a hole in the lineup. He was hurt, yes, but that part of his MLB career represents about 80% of what he’s done at the big league level so far. Jordan has the tools to perform but I’m ever the skeptic and I’d much rather see him truly ready in 2012 than kinda ready in 2011…which is where a competent McLouth is enormous for this year. As for future HOFer Larry Jones…um, no, he’s proven himself adequately.
by crimsonqueen9 on Feb 20, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
He was quite lucky that first month.
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
BABIP about .400 for his first month. Plus, the first round of adjustments didn’t take place bc of the injury so we know next to nothing about how well he ready he actually was at the time.
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
He didn't really play well the first month....
…his first week was insane, then the injury hit, then it wasn’t good. The first month stats still looked good because of the first week. After that, he was hurt and it just didn’t work. We have no idea how he will react after major league pitchers adjust, the first time he was already hurt.
if schafer is nasty
and mclouth returns to form
Schafer goes to the minors till it seems retarded that he is down there, then he comes up and serves as a 4th OF, pinch hitter, pinch runner, and a guy that will continue to steal time from Mclouth (and probably every game started against a LHP)
The buzz that you hear
Is Schafer getting ready to take his starting job back. Regardless of what McLouth does, if Schafer shows out in ST this year like he did two years ago he should be the starter.
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McFail
Saw him today at spring training and he was one of the only regulars to avoid signing for the fans. It was surprising, especially after his crappy year you would think he would be more open to fans. While he ignored the fans calls Heyward and Uggla signed for a good twenty minutes.
BTW, Matt Young is really small especially next to Schafer.
by crack of the bat on Feb 20, 2011 8:03 PM EST reply actions
He’s the shortest guy on the 40 man. I look short standing next to guys 5 inches taller than me too.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
i can understand not signing autographs for him right now..
he prob wants to prove himself and feel like he should be signing for fans.. i can see how it would feel awkward for him to do that righ tnow
Here is to hoping McLouth and Schaffer come back with a bang. With Chipper needing a couple days off each week, a lot of games are going to be open to Schaffer,Hinske, or Mather. Of course I hope Schaffer pushes McLouth out of the starting role by returning to the Schaffer that was thought to be capable of 20/20 seasons—not to mention the stellar defense. Its scary how good our lineup can be if McLouth or Schaffer puts something up around a 20/20 with a good OBP. It would really stretch the lineup, and put Gonzalez where he belongs—the 8th spot.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Feb 20, 2011 8:11 PM EST reply actions
Not to pick on you particularly,
but it amazes me how many people misspell player’s names—-especially in this case in which it’s in the subject heading.
That-a-boy, let the athlete catch it Chipper!
Schaffer...
Does it bother you?
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Feb 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Way to be a dick
It’s not like he’s a player on our team. Or that his name isn’t spelled correctly in the heading.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 20, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dang sorry.
I didn’t worry about looking at the heading when I make replies. Schaffer sounds right in my head,but I will publicly concede that his name is Schafer and that I spelt it wrong. And as to my reply to djvog i was just playing. No beef bro,I dONT wAnt TO hoOk or Nothin.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Feb 20, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
wow
someone’s defensive
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
by BravesRaleigh on Feb 20, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Im with you Dolphin man
Schafer is not a very common word. But if we get some good production out of CF, no matter who it is, our lineup is going to be dangerous
We Gone Get it Up!!!
...it is in German
It means Shepard (as in one who watches over, and takes care of, sheep).
In original German form there are 2 dots over the “a”, but his family probably dropped that sometime after coming to the U.S.
by Santaklose11 on Feb 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
and by the way
If he really comes to life he would make the Braves a serious force to reckoned with. He could hit lead off providing gap power AND speed.
by Santaklose11 on Feb 22, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
What would matter was if he...
…got on base a lot. The gap power is fine for a leadoff hitter, but speed, especially in the form of stolen bases, is highly overrated. Besides, in his minor league career, Schafer has 78 SB’s and has been caught stealing 46 times. That is not a good rate. If Schafer gets the job, his ability to hit leadoff will depend on his ability to get on base, not the other skills.
I agree with you on the OBP...
however, if Prado bats second behind him, Schafer’s speed could be a huge factor in turning Prado’s gap power into RBIs. According to the reports, Schafer’s renaissance has come from changing his swing style from pure power based to contact based.
Examples:
Prado Situation 1. Prado bats leadoff and hits a double. Heyward batting 2nd hits a single. Prado may or may not score depending on where it is hit.
Schafer Contrast: Schafer bats leadoff and hits a double. Prado batting second hits a single. Schafer is much more likely to score in the myriad of singles than Prado would have above due to his speed.
Prado Situation 2. Prado hits leadoff and hits a single. Heyward behind him hits a double. Prado may or may not score depending on hit placement and the outfielders arm.
Schafer Contrast: Schafer bats leadoff and hits a single. Prado behind him hits a double. Schafer almost invariably scores due to his speed.
Speed does matter regardless of whether you look at steal potential or not.
by Santaklose11 on Feb 22, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Speed does matter some.
However, Prado is hardly a base clogger, so I doubt the situations you mention above are nearly as cut and dried. (And also remember, in those situations where Prado ends up on third, there is a pretty good chance he eventually scores given that Chipper/Uggla/McCann are due up next.) I love the idea of Prado as a #2 hitter—-he fits there pefectly with gap power and his OBP being hit driven. (Basically, it is better for the scenario to be walk then hit rather than hit then walk.) That all being said, the OBP is the crucial thing—-Schafer’s speed won’t score enough more runs to make up for OBP failings; if he isn’t on base, he won’t score in any of the scenarios.
It depends on how he develops.
He certainly has some skills to hit well in the second spot, but I personally think his power will develop more than the consensus says, which would make him more useful a little lower in the lineup.
yea
I think he will eventually be great in the five spot
this is true...
but if he can raise that OBP to get on base his speed can make a difference.
I agree 110% on prado being a fantastic 2 hole hitter. He may be the best #2 hitter in the game. His stats and skill set is for the # 2 spot are perfect.
by Santaklose11 on Feb 23, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm probably going to do a post on this,
but yeah, it’s interesting to say the least.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
It’s starting to sound a lot like 2009. I hope he can hit in-game pitching. Schafer getting back into the picture would be a very good thing. I saw him in Chattanooga last May, everything looked great in the field and running bases, it was just a dead bat.
Free Matt Young!
All he has to do is post a solid on base and play great center field and he can be an incredibly valuable player. Cautious optimism is still the way to go at this point though.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
Anybody have a clue
Where Schafer stands as far as service time is concerned? How long before arbitration? I have no clue how that works with so much DL time. He was up for 45 games I think, but can’t swear to that.
Free Matt Young!
Bookmark this, everyone
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tujElf32-2d237jk3IzWLsg&output=html
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
Nice Ben…now it needs to be updated with all of the salaries for the 2nd year players that were given out yesterday. :-) Oh, and Hanson is a Boras client.
It’s from Cots contracts, I didn’t make it.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
to add on if the term Cot’s confuses you….
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
that should probably be something that is bookmarked on your browser
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Dwight Schrute
Jordan's success would mean so much to this team
If he can continue to hit, he would bring lead off hitting skills, speed, and great defense, to the position that we spent 90% of our time rosterbating about this past offseason.
I would love to see Jordan continue to do very well this spring, and hopefully have a chance to start the year. I am more of a realist, and think that he is going to begin the season in AAA, until McLouth once again proves that he is really as bad as we all think.
When Chipper Jones says your swing is better,
it’s probably better.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Feb 20, 2011 10:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There's no probably about it
When the 2013 Atlanta Braves hitting coach says your swing is better, it IS better
Eh, he said the same thing about Jeff Franoeur, even had him hitting cleanup, remember?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Feb 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The best thing for all parties involved
Would be for Schafer to play like he did two years ago AND for McLouth to hit, allowing us to trade McLouth and open up CF for Schafer. McLouth gets to start, Schafer gets to start, and we get to move some money off the books.
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With the way things are situated it would be a tough call to move Nate. Chipper is no guarantee for even 110 games this year and there really is no quality left field option when he does get injured. If they both perform well, there’s a good chance they can both receive 400 PA. If they don’t, we are stuck with a bad defensive center fielder and next to no depth behind him.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
So, if Schafer is ready in CF
…and McLouth is hitting, do we play Prado as super-utility, giving Chipper a day or two off per week to keep him healthy, filling in for Freeman or Uggla on a day off, and playing the occasional bit of LF? That would be super for my fantasy team! LOL
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
That’s an option, or you split McLouth/Schaefer in CF, give Prado LF and UT when guys need a day off.
trade McLouth at deadline if possible for whatever the need is.
If bringing Schaefer up means losing Mather, I’ld keep Schaefer in AAA and see if McLouth flops, if he flops, send him to minors or release him.
I'd think it'd mean Conrad is the odd man out, unless Mather really struggles
and you’d go with Ross, Hinske, Mather (who can fill in at 2B or 3B if need be), Schafer/McLouth depending on who starts that day as the 4th OF, and Diory Hernandez backing up around the infield.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 21, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
This.
Even if both Schafer and McLouth are good, it would be stretching it to think that either would be as good as Prado. If we want to play both Schafer and McLouth, neither get full time AB’s, while Prado gets full time AB’s at multiple positions, although this would mostly be third and left as Uggla rarely needs many days off—in four of his five seasons, he has played 154 games or more, and in the other season he played in 146.
Never said he wouldn't
Prado would be getting plenty of games in that scenario. Remember, for all the optimism we all have, Chipper’s 145 games if we’re lucky, which means there’s 17 games we’re needing to cover, give him an extra 20-30 off to keep him fresh, and you’ve got 45 games at 3B. There’s also a rookie at 1B and two guys known for their streaks in center. Prado would still get plenty of time.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Feb 21, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Prado's good enough....
….that he doesn’t just get plenty of time, he gets full time except for 4-5 days off, unless he is hurt. Everyone else gets more time off.
I agree
I want to see him on the field every day. He does offer the flexibility to be on the field in different positions every day, however, so why not utilize that?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Feb 22, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
There is no problem with that...
…but, by and large, there aren’t that many off days that need to be given for Prado not to spend the majority of his time in left field except when somebody is injured.
Much more LF time...
….than your original comment of “occasional” time in left.
Schafer needs at bats. The only way to put him on the major league club, in my opinion, is if he is starting. If not, put him at triple-A and wait for the inevitable injury to occur and let him it his stride.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
Tell Heyward that he has to take charge of any fly ball that’s in Center-right. Don’t tell McLouth that. You’ll see Schaefer soon enough.
hahaha….life doesnt hand out two many second chances,not sure if McLouth will recieve a third.
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Feb 21, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
definitly this
i dont even know what that is
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Feb 21, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Force a restructuring of the bench?
This scenario would be predicated on the ability of Gonzalez to play short nearly full time until the trade deadline and Prado being able to handle short maybe a few times a month and/or a stretch of a few days while they discide to DL a hurt Gonzo or not. He has played 10 games and 40 innings at short in the last four years and with his newer slimmed down body he may be able to handle it over short stretches without being too exposed.
If Schafer forces his way onto the team we could play Prado roughly half the time in LF and then the rest of the time have him play 3B plenty to keep Chipper fresh, then RF or 1B against tough lefties to shield the 21 year olds and then less frequently giving Uggla and Gonzo a breather at 2B/SS. Then McLouth and Schafer could split time in CF and then take a 25% share of the half time in left, totalling in roughly 75% playing time for both. This sort of thing where you have nine guys fighting for eight spots usually sorts itself out by injury or by someone (McLouth) getting traded before the deadline. This would give you:
Schafer – CF 75%
McLouth – CF 25% LF 50%
Prado – LF 50%, 3B/1B/RF/2B/SS 50%
and then
Hinske PH/1B/LF
Conrad PH/3B/2B
Mather CIF/CF
Ross C
as our bench and then as soon as someone is hurt/traded/struggles you can call up a legit reserve MI.
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
I don’t really see the point. You keep those guys around who aren’t great hitters to play 10-15 innings of SS a month that Prado could easily do?
Jason Heyward wins at baseball.
One of the primary reasons that I’m rooting for Schafer is that up-the-middle defense is important, imo, and he is a large upgrade in CF over McLouth.
And obviously, defensively speaking, SS is the most important position on the field. Could Prado handle SS on an emergency basis? Sure. Is he a legitimate ML SS? No, of course, not. In fact, he has played a grand total of 15 innings there in 398 career ML games.
I say we need somebody on the bench who can actually handle the SS position and it would be very risky to not have that need covered.
Prado can’t easily play SS, he’s not a shortstop. You need a backup shortstop in case of injury.
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Not just injury...
…also when you need a better hitter late for Gonzo.
Schafer is a failure.
I hope I am wrong, but I don’t think Jordan will ever amount to anything at the Major League level. Whether you believe he was guilty or not, he has sucked since his suspension a couple years ago. I think Matt Young might be our only hope in center.
"Sports is human life in microcosm."
Howard Cosell
He sucked so bad...
that he made the team as a starter in ’09 as a rookie.
What a looser.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Feb 21, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
His stats were better after his return from suspension
Sigh
I have to say this at least 20 times an offseason.
I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew
Matt Young is not a good baseball player.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
Explain?
Looking at his minor league stats and awards, he seems like a decent enough baseball player to me. Is there something that isn’t reflected in his stats which makes you say he “is not a good baseball player?”
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I watched him 6 or 7 times last summer, he’s one of my absolute favorites. I really like the way he plays and hope he gets the chance at 4th or 5th OF. He takes lots of walks, is a good bunter, decent slap hitter and has good speed. “Not a good baseball player” is not even close to accurate in my eyes. Maybe Ben only likes the Powah.
Free Matt Young!
I think he's right...
if he means “good MLB baseball player.” The MLB makes all the difference.
MY is 28 and hasn’t had an at-bat at the MLB level. If he was a good professional player, he would have at least cracked a 25-man roster at some point.
This doesn’t mean he’s bad, though. He’s just not good…and really, the evidence backs it up. A 25 year-old Melky Cabrera spent the entire season in Atlanta while Matt Young didn’t make the team. If Matt Young were that good, this wouldn’t have been the case (and if you want to make the argument that it shouldn’t have been the case, I’d probably agree with you).
Of course, there are always late bloomers and guys that put it all together at a later age. He could be one of those. I’ll not speculate one way or the other.
Verdict for Matt Young: Guilty of not being a good MLB baseball player by comparing he and Melky Cabrera’s careers.
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
He’s a very poor man’s Gregor Blanco. Blanco is not “good” either, he’s just okay. Young is not the answer for any question the Braves have. If something happens and McLouth and Schafer aren’t producing, they won’t just stick Young out there and let him play every day. They’ll make a trade.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio Stop calling Tommy Hanson "Big Red" -- This is the cause I support the most.
Very poor man's Gregor Blanco
Just with better OBP, better power, better versatility, and better speed right?
KK
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
I don't see this.
I see Young pretty much as Gregor Blanco. Serviceable as a fifth OF, a bit of a stretch as a fourth OF, and not a starter.
This post is a failure.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Feb 26, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Good to hear he’s healthy.
But before we get all excited, he needs regular playing time more than anyone else in the organization. He should not be on a major league bench to start the year. He’s missed out on 700 PA’s in the past two seasons and nearly a 1000 in the last 3 years. That is crucial for a player who has struggled to hit LH pitching. If he’s going to be a regular and not just a platoon/4th outfielder type in the future, he has to get a full seasons worth of plate appearances this year.
I’d say send him to AAA until we are convinced he’s going to outperform McLouth. Don’t call him up to sit and watch, he needs to play.
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
This is the conventional wisdom and I really can’t disagree with it.
Schafer should start the season in AAA unless he has a such a strong spring (or McLouth flounders so badly) that he is the Braves’ starting CFer.
Absolutely
It’s great that he is healthy and feeling @#$%ing successful, but the best part of that is what he can bring late this year and hopefully in 2012 when McLouth is gone. If Schafer is doing great in June, look at the situation and decide then. If he bats .340 with 8 SB and a golden arm in CF in ST, thank God you’re not the one making the decision.
Free Matt Young!
I don’t think Schafer should start the year in the bigs unless McLouth is injured. Schafer is probably unplayable vs major league LHP at this point. He struggled with LHP in the minors and badly in the majors. Add in the nearly two years he has missed over the last 3 years and its highly unlikely that he would post an OPS vs LHP over .600. That is Francoeurishly brutal, below the notoriously in need of a platoon partner Curtis Granderson.
Let McLouth prove he can’t produce in the regular season, regardless of his Spring performance. Assuming Schafer can hit enough to be an everyday player is a stretch at best right now. I’m a Braves fan too but I think its not realistic to expect anything resembling a major league starter out of Schafer for a few months.
"It's going to be strange watching There's Something About Mary again, knowing Brett Favre was the biggest stalker of them all"
Again, I hear you and you may be right.
However, your guessitimation as to what is realistic does not necessarily equal what any given top drawer prospect may be fully ready and able to deliver in actual competition. And that’s why the Braves have a large number of professional coaches and baseball men evaluating the players over a number of weeks and making their best call.
My worry is if Schafer's time off has him behind...
on the learning curve, starting him off back at the MLB level might stunt any growth he needs to make and if he struggles badly, it could ruin his confidence and any future. Let him go to AAA, play well, and regain both confidence and the physical ability to play everyday after not having a 100+ game season in 3 years.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I can see Schafer pulling through and becoming a really good leadoff guy. This team has one missing piece and that’s a good #1 or 2 hitter (prado playing the other spot)
Heyward was a pretty good #2 hitter and Prado #1.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
he is smart to make his bat more lead off oriented
if he can convince them he can lead off, then he will be a lot harder to deny
As great as this sounds... be cautious
I’ve been a sports fan long enough that I don’t give as much merit as I used to to these pre-season positive notes. Whether it be baseball, football, basketball, or whatever, there are always plenty of great articles about how good player X is doing. To me, even with those quotes, I take it with a large grain of salt.
Also, I’m not a fan of the “Like [bleeping] success” quote. Schafer has always teetered on the border between cocky and confident, and this is just adds to the cocky argument. Last year he tried the humble approach, but I think he’s just in his nature a very cocky, ego-driven guy. That spells trouble because you don’t think you have to work as hard to be as good, and with the lack of development he’s had the past couple of years, that just isn’t the case.
I want Schafer to turn it around be what we all thought he’d be by now just as much as anyone else, but from watching him a lot at AAA the past couple of years, and hearing reports of his continued bad attitude, I just don’t personally see it happening. Like I said, I’ll root for him to improve and become a big asset to this organization, just consider me a bit more skeptical.
by elucas91 on Feb 21, 2011 5:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with all those points
Hopefully, Schafer gets enough time in the clubhouse this season and next so that Chipper and Mac can rein in the kid’s ego a bit and teach him the Brave’s way.
Schafer seems to be a different kind of cocky
The kind that isn’t cancerous (Yunel)
Schafer’s cockiness comes with taking a lot of pride in his work and holding himself to an extremely high standard.
He’s not the type that will say “I feel like success” and then sit back and wait for it.
He will say “I feel like success” and then go work his ass off until he is successful.
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
Yah
I agree it’s not the same type of cocky. Schafer’s seems to only affect him, while Yunel seemed to be affecting everyone in the locker room. But at the same time, watching him at AAA when he was there the past two years, he was the laziest guy out there at least half the time. He would always drop his bat and gloves by first base if he made the third out and wait for someone to bring his stuff to him. While playing he played hard, but his body language was poor and he never looked like he wanted to be there. I still think he has this sense of entitlement from those first couple weeks of 2009 when he was playing so well at the MLB level.
He may be turning a corner finally, but I am really interested to see how reacts to playing AAA everyday (assuming he doesn’t light the world on fire and earn a MLB job in ST). If he accepts that he needs to make up for lost development, become a team player, and do everything possible to impress the coaches and get back to the show, that’s awesome. I’m just very weary and don’t think he’s the work his ass off until he is successful type guy.
He doesn't have the "work his ass off"?
That’s why he’s been in Florida for months getting ready for Spring Training.
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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 21, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what you are saying, but by all accounts you are off-base…he work ethic is ridiculous…it has been mentioned numerous times that he is always working on something, which is why it took so long for his wrist to heal, he couldn’t not work out.
I understand that dislike for a guy who is a bit overly cocky and agree there’s no need for the quote…but I like it better than a guy giving false nonsense…he is honest about who he is…and apparently he is a badass who’s on a mission…
He seems very driven and I don’t think success will keep him for working his ass off everyday, but who knows.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
yeah
I remember reading that the dude is a workout freak. I mean, he wouldn’t have bought that bitching machine if he wasn’t into practice!!!
I like people until I meet them.
bitching machine
that is a horrible thing to say about his significant other.
ladies i apologize it was just to easy to not do. (TWSS)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
by Swo12bv on Feb 22, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
I feel like this post touched on a number of areas very successfully.
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Feb 23, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well done, sir.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Feb 26, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
elucas
I see the exact same red flags. Work ethic doesn’t mean how intense your workout is, its about taking and applying instruction. That takes some humility and I do not see Schafer there yet.
by crack of the bat on Feb 22, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
You mean...
Like reporting to the team’s ST facility in September to undergo therapy with the team’s physical therapist for two months before beginning to hit twice/day, six days a week again in November?? Or taking extra BP with a Florida assistant coach and Martin Prado throughout the past three months prior to ST??
Yeah, sounds like he’s just doing his own thing, not being a team player…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
there are other instances, i just want to point that out, I just can’t remember them…
to add to your point
-C (does he have two screen names, or have I stolen his identify)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
O Mi
I has been stolened.
I think you’re probably one of the few that I’d let speak for me on this site, tho.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I smell a Charmin's 11 coming...
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Feb 23, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was really hoping someone who give me a
“IDENTIFY THEFT IS NOT A JOKE JIM!”
and thank you
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Michael!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Feb 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
.330/,410/.520
Not Grady Sizemore lite, Grady Sizemore lager
Hey, we can dream right?
How do I feel? Like f**king success - Jordan Schafer
You mustn't be afraid to dream a bit bigger,darling.
1.222,1.500,╥
Shark in the water.
by AvoidTheDolphin on Feb 21, 2011 7:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nobody is assuming anything.
People are excited about Schafer because he’s a very talented baseball player. Whether he turns out to be a serviceable hitter with above average defense or a dynamic all around player, he’s still got the talent to help this team.
Of course we didn’t get a chance to see him adjust to major league pitching after they got their first initial look at him. Who cares? Every prospect has to start the same way. Every prospect is an unknown until they produce in the majors. That doesn’t mean that fans should ignore the potential of a talented player like Jordan Schafer. He’s got to prove it in the majors at some point, and with his obvious skill level and his all around game, many people believe he’s going to do that and help this team win games once he finally makes his way to Atlanta.
Enough with the warnings already. There is reason to think Schafer will eventually be the player we thought we were getting in 2009.
Is it just me or does he seem like the Rickie Weeks type of leadoff guy…a guy who won’t have a high avg, but will post a 350 ish OBP and have real good power numbers (not sure if Schafer can hit the 29 dingers that Weeks hit, but still)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
That obp is the big ?
he showed in in his breakout year, then the suspension shortened AA season, but he also Ks a lot (avg approx. 1 per game in those two years, at A+ and AA). If he’s averaging a K per game at those levels, he could be 200-250+ if given 150 games hitting leadoff, and that is not good.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
thats true…but as we have said his nbrs in MLB are meaningless, but he does seem to strike out too much, and having not faced live pitching a ton will certainly not help him.
I guess a lot depends on how serious this new approach is and how he is going to be able to utilize it. If it helps him cut the Ks and get on base more thats good, but it could also backfire and not work for him at all (always tough to change your approach).
anything in regards to Schafer is purely speculative at this point….I am just bullish on him bc of a 2-3 year man crush
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
yea
it could also backfire and not work for him at all
then we are really screwed.
not really bc we still have McLouth…I think I posted my thoughts on him somewhere on this thread….McLouth is still a good player one bad year a bad player does not make.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I Could Care Less....
whether its Schafer or McClouth. As long as one of them can do something like .280 15 60 25sb and play solid defense.
Chipper could beat the Marlins all by himself....all 9 positions!
i doubt that would happen for either of them
.255 12 55 15 sb is probably more realistic.. i would love to be proved wrong, just dont wanna get my hopes hope, but hell even those numbers are solid especially compared to last year
well considering McLouth has shown 20+ HR power in the past and Schafer has very solid pop 12 is a bit of a low balll offer and both have the capability of stealing close to 25-30 bases…
too many people are hating on McLouth for a 2010, he has shown to be an above average hitter in the past, one season’s worth of data shouldn’t erase 2-3 years of data.
McLouth wasn’t great but he is a solid guy who should be able to post an 800 OPS (assuming last year was a fluke and there’s little reason to think it was anything but a fluke…although admittedly you could have said a simialr thing about Eric Byrnes, i suppose)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I feel ya
I still love McLouth and I am constantly defending him to other fans, and i think he will surprise a lot of people this year, and capability doesn’t mean he will regarding stolen bases, hes a great baserunner but the most he has ever had in a season is 23, and i doubt that will increase with his hamstring issues the past few years. Regarding HR 12 probably is a little bit of a low ball, 15-17 is probably more realistic. I didn’t put my numbers up to be a demerit to his skill, i was just saying i would be happy if he puts up those numbers, because in reality they might be a little bit below what he should be putting up, but it would be a vast improvement over last year.
I just see a guy who is dependent on his bat to be useful, as he’s a horrid defender, and his bat is questionable at best. I’d rather have Rick Ankiel instead of McLouth.
Well, then you really are lost!
There are a couple of things to recongize about McLouth’s 2010 season.
his BABiP was 220…now he has traditionally had a lower BABiP, usually around 280 or so. so theoretically that should regress to the mean and he will return to the 270 hitter he has always been. If that happens he will go back to the 340 OBP he has had int eh past.
McLouth’s walk rate remained above avg and was actually the highest of his career (tied with 2009). which will help his OBP.
his ISO dropped dramatically. this is the main worry I have, bc there isn’t really any explanation for it dropping. His batted ball profile is all over the place so its hard to tell what he does best ( he has one fluky high year in LD% otherwise its right aroung 17-18%, he was at 16 % last year. so maybe its just a bit of luck and his LD% will go back to where it was and he will get back to hitting more XBH. Also of note on this topic is a really low HR/FB which was 3-4 points lower than ever in his career.
All in all there is a fair amount of statistical evidence that this was just a fluke bad year he had in 2010. Generally, when a player falls off a cliff when you look back there are indicators which can predict the fall. There are no indicators here to be real worried about.
I readily admit its entirely possible he forgot how to play baseball or isn’t capable of making the necessary adjustments, or that the 4 previous years are all completely luck based and he was never any good.
He still isn’t a very good CF, but if he can hit similar to how he has in the past he is still a 1.5-3 WAR player who isn’t getting paid that much (when you consider Vernon Wells gets 23M this year…o Vernon how great it is to have you to give us all some perspective, I suppose I shouldn’t play you i should blame JP Riccardi)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
The Braves organization has seemingly continued to have considerable amount of confidence in him and perhaps its related to a similar analysis.
there is also the whole paying him $7M which would help confirm their analysis…
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
For the organization to trash one of its players in the media might not be helpful in terms of anything, to include getting their money’s worth out of him. on the other hand, as the KK saga shows, if he’s unable to perform and help the team win games, the amount to be paid doesn’t necessarily make much difference.
How much less could you care?
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
So, you care a little?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Feb 26, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions

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