No Deal Yet, But Maybe
by gondeee on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 AM EST
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PrintEvery word one can write about any possible Atlanta Braves trade right now is a guess word. Nobody in the media really knows. There are a bunch of teams "interested" in Atlanta's two main trade assets, Martin Prado and Jair Jurrjens, but we're not sure if anything has moved beyond the interested phase. Leaving the Winter Meetings on Thursday, Frank Wren was vague:
"We've got three or four open conversations that we'll just continue to follow up and see if they materialize into anything."
I really don't expect him to say much. As I've written once or twice, if the Braves are trying to trade JJ and/or Marteeen, they're trying to trade two very popular players on the team. None of their fellow players want to see them go, and there are good reasons why they should stay. Wren has a tough job if he is to try and talk about trades with other teams regarding these two players.
Last night the Rockies and Cubs made a change-of-scenery trade, swapping primarily third baseman Ian Stewart for outfielder Tyler Colvin. From the Rox perspective that opens up a spot at third base, they still have a hole at second base, and it gives them an extra outfielder. Which seems to point to a perfect fit for a Prado for Seth Smith (plus more) trade. The Rockies might be going young and relying on rookies for those two open infield spots, but if they had interest in Prado earlier in the off-season, then they definitely have interest now.
But again, these are all "guess" words I'm using. I'm guessing we'll continue to hear Prado and JJ thrown around in various trade rumors. And now that the top free agent starting pitchers have signed, the trade market for guys like Jurrjens will really start to heat up. Wren laid the groundwork at the Winter Meetings, he apparently set the price pretty high, now he's waiting to see who bites.
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Extremely underwhelmed by the thought of Prado for Smith? Prado is so valuable to this team
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Prado gives the Braves insurance for so many positions, it would be hard to replace that. I don’t think our team gets much better by trading Prado for Smith. We also don’t need another LH bat.
by Bedhead514 on Dec 9, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gonna be hard to get him, it would I assume need to be something like JJ and Prado, and us getting Arenado and Wheeler. Or if they really like Venters and would do something with Venters+. I don’t see us getting Arenado though, cause I don’t figure the Rockies will trade him at all. Rockies probably value him high enough that it would prolly take Venters, JJ, and Prado just to get him, and that would be a massive overpay that wouldn’t even be worth discussing. From what I have heard about Arenado, I just don’t see them dealing him unless they get a massive overpay, and nobody in their right mind should do that, especially for a prospect.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I agree. If the Rockies want JJ and Prado then they need to give up Arenado.
by FourScore199 on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
If we get Arenado and Fowler
I will personally pay for a lapdance for Frank Wren.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 9, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Sure you don’t want to up the stakes? I can always amend my sig a bit.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Weak
Step up to the big leagues
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
you telling me that I'm "weak"
when that post of yours is not only weak, but it’s written like you’re a 8 year old.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 10, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yes it’s weak. Buying a lap dance for a guy pales in comparison to Justin’s offer of a BJ.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
I guess I’m a more committed fan.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 11, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Seconded
I will be enormously pissed if we do a Prado for Smith & prospect. Prado is basically two good players- a LF and Chipper’s fill in- and Seth Smith’s career has been….well, it’s ok. I don’t see we get any kind of upgrade in that trade, even if Smith comes with a good 3B or CF prospect.
Do not want.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
There are good reasons to encourage such a deal.
The thinking here seems to multi-year in scope… which is why the Colorado matchup is so intriguing. As much as I’d like to see him around for a while, it appears that Michael Bourn will not be with us after 2012… so…
1. Seth Smith. Smith+Diaz together are most probably > Prado in LF. Smith is also an outstanding PH.
2. Wheeler/Blackmon. 4th/5th OF in 2012, possible CF in 2013. I would personally prefer Wheeler at this point and allow him to work AAA in 2012.
3. Arenado (the longshot): stud 3rd base guy in 2013 or 2014.
Yes, if some deal like this were done, then we need a backup for the left side of the infield for 2012. We may already have one in Drew Sutton, by the way (he’s always thinking ahead, it seems).
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
All this...
If the organization was as short-sighted as its fans, this team would be run into the ground.
Smith has three years, and you can basically pencil him in for 1.5-3 WAR/season. That alone is 4.5-9 WAR. Prado, with two years left at his ceiling, is 10 WAR (and that’s incredibly generous). Realistically, you’re looking at 6-8 WAR if Prado is healthy.
Six years of Blackmon/Wheeler (I prefer Wheeler as well) is worth way more than the difference between those numbers. Wheeler could easily turn into a 20/20 guy in CF. At worst, he’s probably a superior Jordan Schafer.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
/tear I miss Logan Shaver... :(
I had such the bandwagon going too… le sigh…
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I have to disagree here.
You can’t just compare WAR—-you have to compare opportunity cost. Three years of Smith will likely cost more than two of Prado unless Smith is on the low end of the projections in which case that is bad anyway. Seth Smith has done well as a pinch-hitter so far, but as is usual with pinch-hitters, the sample size is so small (165 PA or so) that you can’t really project going forward based on that. Additionally, I don’t see how Smith + Diaz is anywhere near as good as Prado. The combo takes two roster spots, costs just about as much, and probably won’t end up as good hitting especially if we remember to adjust Smith’s numbers for the Coors Field effect. (Smith has a .750 OPS career on the road vs. .925 in Coors). Also, we can’t really project improvement for Smith either—-he’s already 29 years old—-a year older than Prado.
As for Wheeler, he could be great, or he could be a bust or anywhere in between. He’s 23 already and just had a great season in a good hitter’s park in AA. He’s high risk/high reward that would make sense for a rebuilding team more than a contender. Yeah, we would have him for 6 years, but if he is just a slightly better version of Jordan Schafer, why should we play him?
by cavebird on Dec 9, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
like where your mind is at...
even more reason to hold onto Prado.
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
I agree soooooo much with this man, I couldn't have said it better myself
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
So much wrong...
Smith’s cost and Prado’s cost will be the same, including Smith’s extra season. Smith will start arbitration at $2MM or so while Prado started with $3MM. Prado’s going to make approximately $4.5 and $6-7MM for 2011-12, so $10.5-11.5MM for two years. Smith will make $2MM, $3.5, and $5-6MM, perhaps a little less unless he does better than projected. But that would be a good thing.
Smith isn’t going to being playing most of the time in a platoon, 75%, so his pinch-hitting is of little consequence. But it’s a nice bonus that he does well in those situations.
If you don’t see how Smith + Diaz will be as good as Prado, then it means one of a few things. You either don’t remember how well Diaz performed in a platoon earlier in his career, you don’t believe in Diaz, or you believe Prado’s going to break out for an even better year. Fortunately, I already factored that huge yeard into Prado’s 10 WAR/two seasons point I made.
Either way, this is only a 2011 issue, and there’s not nearly enough data to suggest that a platoon is even necessary (if 165 PA or so can’t bear any real indication, the same is probably true for a 240 PA split over roughly three seasons). Smith hit LHP just fine in the minor leagues, so spare me the, “They must know something routine.”
Then there’s the Coors Field effect. People, for some reason, think Coors is some magical bastion that makes hitters infinitely better than normal. It’s a convenient half truth. They’re better at home. However, there is also a reverse Coors Field effect that makes them worse on the road. Matt Holliday had a huge split at Coors. How’s he doing?? How did Gallaraga do after leaving Coors?? Braves fans will remember he did just fine.
It’s not magic, it’s physics – a pitch at normal attitude and a pitch at high altitude act differently. It’s hard to move back and forth between environments, and they play and practice at home. The altitude adjustment in their home performance is balanced by the fact that they can’t hit snot because the ball moves weird on the road.
I find it funny that Prado can improve at 28 but Smith can’t at 29. Sweet rule, dude. Either way, I didn’t project any improvement for Smith. 1.5-3 WAR is his range. He’s not yet out of his prime, so you can’t project any loss just yet, either.
What’s the big risk in Wheeler, exactly?? 23 is average for AA. He did well. He’s learning to hit the ball to all fields after being a pull hitter in college.
Considering Smith will put up 4.5 to 6 WAR of Martin’s 6 to 10, Wheeler is a low-risk/high-reward guy. If he becomes a superior Jordan Schafer (Schafer never hit more than 10 HR in the minors, Wheeler hit 33 last season), he has six years to pick up 1.5 to 5.5 WAR (at the very most). Seems like a decent bet, considering he does have plenty of upside.
The fact is that most people want to hold onto Prado just because they like Prado. Which is fine, I have no problem with that argument.
I haven’t even bothered exploring how stupid not making the trade is if Prado’s worst-case scenario happens because I don’t need to. His best-case breaks even with their worst-case.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Typo, second sentence...
Smith is**
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Dammit.
Paragraph.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Your argument has a gigantic piece missing
Prado isn’t simply our LF. He’s basically a two role player, as he’s also Chipper’s 30+ games fill-in guy and can do the same for Uggla or Freeman if one of them were to go down. It’s much easier to replace one of the IFs with Prado and put Georgie or, if it’s a LHP starter, Diaz, in LF than it is to find some player that back-up the IF in a solid manner while Smith and Diaz hold down LF. Losing Prado means we either trust Conrad or a AAA call-up (or Jack Wilson if we keep him around) to be able to eat Prado’s IF value. I sure as hell do not.
Even worse….we’d have either cut Conrad, a pitching arm, or someone else (Hinske? no…Diaz? he’s platooning in LF, remember?) to be able to replace Prado’s IF abilities for the inevitable high number of games even a healthy Chipper will be sitting out. Let’s not also forget that Diaz’s hitting took an ugly nose dive in 2011 and, while he certainly could turn right back into the mega southpaw raker we used to know and love, it doesn’t leave me feeling comfortable.
Why take all of these risks? Prado isn’t that expensive, he plays two valuable roles, is a clubhouse and fan favorite and most importantly has been an above-average offensive producer for two of the last three seasons, having his down year the same year he happened to get a gigantic pus rash on his leg. Not worth the move without a higher reward.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 9, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Why take that risk?
Because it’s more than worth it in the long run.
A WAR is a WAR is a WAR. While Prado’s versatility is valuable, that value is still just as factored into those 2009-10 WAR totals as it will be in 2012-13.
Cutting Conrad (or optioning him to the minors, if options are available) to replace Prado’s IF abilities might be the smartest bench move the team has made in years. Dude’s 32 years old and can’t play the field, can’t be a reliable everyday starter if someone does get hurt. Nice guy, but that position would be better utilized with someone that can fill in on an everyday basis when needed.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
To illustrate the Conrad point...
32 games w/ 3 or more PA in the past two seasons. Only 10 last season, and the extra amount in 2010 covered the team when both Chipper and Prado were hurt.
He can’t cover a spot on a daily basis. Drop Conrad, sign a guy like Punto. At least he can hold down a spot for a length of time, and the difference in price is about $200k.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Hurting our team in 2012 too much is the risk. Smith is ok, lets leave it at that. Wheeler I like, but I still don’t feel he is enough to downgrade our 2012 team for. Wheeler will be in AAA and Wren would need to hope like hell he doesn’t take a nosedive and can destroy AAA too. You hurt yourself too much at 3B by doing this. Again, I don’t mind trading Prado, but Smith and Wheeler isn’t enough, and would hurt our 2012 season more. I would be very disappointed if Wren does this.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Not helping our team by grabbing a guy that could potentially be a really good player is an even greater risk.
Take a quick peek at 2015. Heyward will be in his final year of arbitration, with Freeman a year behind. Uggla’s in his final year. No one else is signed that long on the offensive front…Mac could be around, but he’ll be a catcher on the wrong side of 30. Pastornicky or Simmons will man short, but neither is an offensive stalwart. Salcedo or Terdoslavich may be at third, but neither is a sure thing and one is routinely projected as a bench player. No clue who’s playing in LF, CF.
Re-signing players and getting FA is certainly a possibility, but they all come at a premium price. Our farm system has zero sure things and only a few guys that currently project to be starters. And those projected starters aren’t considered offensive juggernauts, either.
Adding a guy that’s just a year away would be incredibly advantageous to the long-term health of the team. What’s a 20/20 CF that has an average OBP and good defense worth?? Well, if you look at this season, you’ll see that’s worth about 4.5 WAR, more than Prado’s ever accumulated in a season.
Does everyone like Dan Uggla’s contract?? I seem to remember a lot of griping, a lot of “That’s too many years,” and a lot of “That’s too much money.” Well, better get used to it, because if the team is going to compete offensively, you’re either going to see a lot of those types of signings or you’re going to see some risks being taken in trading for prospects, which apparently is also hated.
All because you want to cry over 1 or 2 WAR that Heyward will probably cover himself with a rebound year.
2012 is just next year. A good organization is also looking 3-5 years ahead and trying to make moves that make the team better. This could be one of those moves. Unfortunately, a lot of people refuse to see it.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Never ceases to amaze me
2011 Braves with stats on the 2007 Braves team
McCann, Chipper, Diaz, Prado, Hudson, Moylan
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
I don’t mind looking in the future, but 2015 is a long way away. We don’t know if Pastornicky or Simmons will be manning SS, they both may blow offensively at the show. I mean if you don’t mind a all glove D SS with zero offense, then I guess it’s ok, but we see most didn’t like Sea Bass. I’m not saying that Simmons and or Pastornicky will suck offensively, but it is a very big possibility.
Who knows who plays 3B, I have zero confidence in Terdoslavich able to play the hot corner in MLB at even a decent rate. If he makes it to majors with the Braves, he will be a LF. It’s fine that the Braves are wanting to give him a shot at 3B in the minors, no harm can happen with that. Salcedo is so raw, I have no idea if he will be a good player or not. If you really wanna look, it is 3B, SS, LF, and RF that are who knows at this point, if you are looking at it right now to then.
What if Wheeler gets hurt and/or busts? It could happen, Schafer was rated better in the minors and he hasn’t done anything at all special. Maybe you can blame injuries or whatever, and maybe he can still turn it around and be a good player, but he isn’t yet. Wheeler could turn out to be really good or bad, or in between. Sorry, but I don’t care to risk the 2012 season over if Wheeler can make it or not.
I don’t mind if Prado/JJ would be traded for prospects honestly, but those prospects need to be better than Wheeler, something like Arenado. I’m not saying we can get him for just Prado or JJ, but we really need to get something really good. We are a World Series contending team in 2012, absolutely NO REASON that you can give me for wanting to hurt this team just to get freaking Wheeler, who may or may not be good in 2015…IF we are going to hurt our 2012 team some, we gotta get better specs than Wheeler. I like the guy, but to me he isn’t nearly worth the risk.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
This
And it’s not like a bunch of other team-improving opprotunities won’t pop up over the next few years. The year that has the least chances and opprotunities for patching holes is 2012, making it the year we have to focus on the most.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 11, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
From 2009 to 2011, Matt Diaz’s wRC+ against LHP has gone 196 to 118 to 92. If you look as to why, his slugging in that span has gone .640 to .512 to .356. Diaz managed a .348 BAPIP in 2011 so it’s not like his slugging is suffering from hard hit balls not finding gaps.
This also makes me very uncomfortable with a Smith/ Diaz platoon.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 10, 2011 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
A WAR is a WAR is a WAR.
That isn’t true at all. A WAR in 2012 is much more valuable than a WAR a few years down the road. Wheeler isn’t good enough to make the team worse in 2012 in order to acquire him.
completely agree dude
its jlke money. If you can pick to have say 10,000 dollars now or in future, the money now is more valuable. Everyone knows this, especially in business, so this isn’t even up for debate. WAR works same way. I agree about wheeler too, he isn’t good enough of a player I don’t think to make us worse in 2012.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
A potential 20/20 guy isn’t good enough to make the team 1 or maybe 2 WAR worse??
Do you project Heyward to be 1 or 2 WAR better in 2012?? I do. That covers the 2012 WAR and gives the team an opportunity to get a guy that could provide more value than Prado on a yearly basis.
Yes, a WAR is a WAR is a WAR is absolutely true. When we have players that can more than cover the difference of a small WAR difference and the potential future WAR is a significant amount greater than the current WAR gained by standing pat, that’s a move you should try to make.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
It’s potential. Wasn’t once upon a time Schafer a potential 20/20 guy? Maybe he still does it, but who knows. Sorry, but Wheeler is far from guaranteed, potential that he may have isn’t worth hurting our 2012 title chances.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I don’t think Schafer was ever considered a potential 20/20, as he never hit more than 10 HR in a season.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Some people around here
thought he was a potential 20/40, with .300/.400 avg/obp skills from the way some people talked him up before the trade.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Wrong
In 2007 with two leagues he had a combined 15 homers. He had 49 doubles that year too, which you can always project that with getting older, adding more bulk, some of those doubles can turn into homers.
Baseball Prospectus also said he had 20+ homer potential: “The Good: Schafer’s tools rate average to plus across the board. He has a quick bat and rapidly developing power, projecting to hit 20+ home runs annually in the majors while adding 20-30 stolen bases due to his above-average speed. Few players in the minors can match his defensive abilities, as his instincts, range, and arm in center field all rate as plus-plus.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7051
Also, Baseball America didn’t actually say he had 20+ homer potential, but the wording they used indicated that he would have a good bit of sock in his bat. “The first three players the Braves signed out of the 2007 draft (outfielder Jason Heyward, third baseman Jon Gilmore and first baseman Freddie Freeman) added to their collection of athletes with power bats, which already included outfielders Jordan Schafer and Brandon Jones.”
With that, it was a good indication that Baseball America thought he had a shot to be good with power.
Again, after his breakout 2007 season, and projecting some of those doubles to go over the fence with age, it wasn’t hard to imagine what if with Schafer…
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I think you are overrating Wheeler
He has holes in his swing that have led to huge K numbers in the minors. His speed is not that impressive and he profiles more as a corner OF in the bigs. Maybe he can hit 20/20 in the bigs, but that doesn’t mean he’s a good baseball player. This team is trying to win now, and Wheeler is not good enough to make the team worse in 2012. I don’t see how Heyward has anything to do with this. The team won 89 games in 2011 and missed the playoffs. Any additional wins that he could provide is much needed.
yah but
i love prado just like everyone else but i dont think he can play a full season and be productive. he is a great super utility but im sure by trading him we can pick up players to replace his offense and look at deal JJ plus there is always free agency.
by rangers4life on Dec 11, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I don’t mind if Prado gets traded, but even if it’s Smith and Wheeler, I would still be underwhelmed. Don’t get me wrong, Wheeler looks nice and could be a starting CF for us in 2013, but if he busts, we essentially just gave Prado away. I think Wren has his sights a lot higher than Smith. Whether that be a one for one trade where we get a nice big LF or we deal Prado for a very very nice prospect. Don’t get me wrong, I like Wheeler, but I would rather get someone better if I am trading Prado or JJ for.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Smith basically gives us what Martin does, except he strikes out more, can’t play third and makes the team even more LH heavy. I wouldn’t understand the trade at all.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Smith basically gives us what Martin does, except he strikes out more, can’t play third and makes the team even more LH heavy.
Non-alcoholic beer basically gives us what beer with alcohol does, except you strike out more, can’t get her drunk enough to get to 3rd base and all the heavy chicks still look heavy at closing time.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
by adc62 on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Depends on the plus more part...
since it’s clear we want a lot more than Seth Smith.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I still think we need to bring a third team in to get will myers back into the mix. Or having Adam Jones patrol our outfield would be sweet too. My lingering feeling is that the braves hope that salcedes will be ready to take over for chip after next year, and if not, they’ll find a one or two year stopgap similar to what they want in a ss right now. So with that in mind, idk if arenado is something wren is looking at.
by darthspiderman on Dec 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not sure how that would help.
Other than the fact that he can play center, Adam Jones isn’t any better than Prado. Probably not as good of a hitter. Jones is all tools without enough skills.
I wouldn't count on Salcedo, Drury, Kubitza (if at all)...
until 2014 at the earliest…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
hence "if not a two year stopgap"
by darthspiderman on Dec 10, 2011 7:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I bet Prado is working his butt off after the year he had and...
he is going to have an AWESOME year with another team! If we trade Prado for Seth Smith I dont’ know if I will be able to get over it.
Prado's worked his butt off every year, though.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Grows back during the off-season
hard to keep that weight off sometimes.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
err, regular season, not off-season
joke fail.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Jeff Francoeur worked his butt off
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I didn't say it was a good thing or a bad thing
just that Prado already works like he might lose his job every year, so it’d be hard for him to put in more effort this year.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Agree. I totally expect ‘Teen to have a huge bounce back season. We should chalk last year up to injuries, learning a new position, trying to hit behind Bourn, etc. He’s been too good a hitter to hit .260/.302/.385 again. I’ll eat my hat if he doesn’t OPS .800 this year
I’d be incredibly disappointed if he’s traded, especially for Seth Smith
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Really?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Frank Wren is to Front Office
What Warren Buffet was to our economy… He’s a genius who won’t make a move just to make a move… He is holding his cards close to the vest and he is looking out for the overall success of our franchise. He knows we have talent to spend but he also knows we don’t have to and won’t unless we get what he deems as fair price (if not more). Yes he sets the price high but why shouldn’t he? Why should we settle? If we do not make a single move, I will be a very bored Braves fan… but come Spring Training, we will have a team that can compete w/ anyone on the field. Yes the Marlins made a splash and the Phillies paid a phanatical amount for a closer and the Angels sent a prayer to Pujols and the baseball gods that they will compete for the forseeable future… But at the end of the day, Braves fans haven’t been left behind. We have one of the best rotations in baseball. We have one of the best bullpens in baseball. One of the best young 1B in baseball… One of the best 2B sluggers in baseball… Our CF is set for the first time in a long time and we have the hope of a former phenom proving he is the man we believe him to be… We have one of the best Cs in baseball too… There’s not much we should complain about. We have a home grown team with alot of talent and so what we don’t spend money on superfluous contracts… Yes, I’d like to see us have a bopper in LF or an established stud at SS… But what has Pastornicky NOT done to prove to us he’s ready? Give the kid a chance… who knows, we might have yet another Rookie of the Year candidate on our hands… It’s incredible the talent our farm churns out.. Just when we think it’s over, Teheran, Delgado, Vizzy and Pastornicky could all compete for ROY this year… I, for one, am proud of our GM and in Wren I trust… I hope y’all do too as he’s not made too many missteps in his tenure as our GM.
/endsoapboxrant
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
One of the best 2B sluggers in baseball…
I do believe he’s the best slugging 2B men ever to play the game. Keyword – slugging
Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson
If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner
with all due respect
he’s not even the best “slugging” second baseman of his generation.
If you’re counting slugging, the following 2nd basemen all have higher career slugging % than Uggla’s (.482).
R. Hornsby (.577)
R. Cano (.492)
C. Utley (.505)
J. Kent (.500)
Uggla’s a beast of a slugger, but the best slugging 2B man ever he is not.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
you and your “facts” spoiling all the fun….
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
Yea... he must be a new guy...
He doesn’t know we only use conjecture on this blog… it’s all about feeling and what the eye can see… :-)
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
You may have just summoned
the most interesting man on TC
Someone just ordered a Duwanis
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
But you're (probably) wrong...
ISO leaders, qualified, 1871 to 2011:
Alfonso Soriano: .231
Dan Uggla: .223
Roger Hornsby:.218
However, Soriano’s ISO at 2B is only .178, so actually Dan Uggla is the best slugging 2B of all-time. Of course, there could be someone else that played 2B part-time with a higher ISO at 2B than their career line, but I think it’s safe to say that Uggla’s power is elite for the position on not only a generational but all-time level.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
But... -C.... only SLG measures slugging capability!!!!
Geez… don’t you know ANYTHING
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
That may be
But, honestly, I don’t care that much. Obviously there’s more to being a great hitter than just being a slugger. If I had to pick between Hornsbry, Joe Morgan, Jackie Robinson, Rod Carew, Roberto Alomar, Dustin Pedroia, Chase Utley, Robinson Cano, and Dan Uggla to be a DH for my team….he’d be dead last among those. Plus probably another 10 more if I looked a bit harder.
So, while I like Dan Uggla, I’d hate for people to overstate just how valuable he is.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
but the questions was who is the best slugging second baseman
not who is the best hitting second baseman. I don’t think anyone would put Uggla in the second discussion.
True
But the original post in this discussion was lauding it as something extremely valuable, and I think it’s nice to have some perspective. Even putting defense aside entirely (where Uggla is well below average) he’s not a superstar. Factoring it in…while he’s nice to have, it’s not like the Braves have the world at their feet.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Nice post Klem
I really don’t think this team needs to make any moves to be honest…
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
nice post dude
I trust Wren as well, and has done a great job as GM of the Braves. I am fully confident that if we don’t make a big trade, then no deals were truly worth it.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Agreed, but my sense is still that Wren is strongly inclined to make a move or two for several good reasons.
After the end of season collapse, the team needs to have some new blood … a transfusion to reinvigorate the team and alter the overall dynamic.
Likely even more important is the recognition that while the Braves were highly competitive and in the playoff mix the last two seasons, we came up short both times. Being highly competitive is great, but not the goal. So, basically, the Braves seem to be hovering just a notch or two below an elite championship level, and essentially have no choice but to continue to aggressively push forward with personnel changes allowing new (cost-controlled), potential all-star level performers to move up, laterally bringing in new contributing pieces, and adding high upside prospects that could shift the competitive balance for future years and/or set up the next big trade.
“Likely even more important is the recognition that while the Braves were highly competitive and in the playoff mix the last two seasons, we came up short both times.”
I might have completely misinterpreted what you said here, so if I did correct me if I am wrong(which is likely the case), but we made playoffs in 2010. Did you mean by we came up short of winning WS? Just a little confused there. We got beat by a Giants team in the first round cause of all the injuries we had, and if we were healthy, I don’t have any doubt that we would have had a chance at winning it all.
We just had a bad end of year man, it’s no reason to just make a deal. I want Wren to do all he can to look for the best deal/deals as he can and make this team better, but we have to be realistic here and realize that at the end of the day, Wren may not can make us better by moving Prado/JJ or whoever. If he makes a deal, it could be rushed or just flat out make us the same or a worse team. In Wren I trust!!!
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Caption:
Don’t let the sun go down on me over the Turner Field today.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I like the fact a snap judgement trade wasn't made..
shows competence in our front office..laying the ground work..seeing who’s interested and if theres something that just blows us away do it..but I think we should keep prado, but definitely be looking to trade J.J..way to many good arms that he’s blocking.
The poster formally known as SidGlaus
Name the 3 or 4 teams that Wren is discussing deals with
Colorado
Cincinnati
KC
Texas
Boston
Baltimore
Toronto
Now what would be your deals for JJ or Prado or both.
by waysouth on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is too much like rosterbation for me but just in case FW only reads the front page comments...
JED LOWRIE… GET HIM NOW…. That is all, thanks.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Krash above: “Give Pastornicky a chance, FW!”
Krash below: “Get Lowrie!”
I don’t think we’ll give up pieces to obtain Lowrie unless we wanted him to start every day…
I has a confused
by Ivan the Great on Dec 9, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I love Pasty but I LOVE LOVE Lowrie...
Not to mention, Lowrie=super util IF (he can play anywhere). Either he plays that role for Red Sox or us… Imagine the flexibility of Lowrie and Prado on the same team… Oh and Lowrie=Chipper replacement….
So… I love the youngin and want him to have a chance but if we make a move… Lowrie is the guy to get. No reason not to.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Pasty.....
bhWHAHAHAHAHAHA
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
LOWRIE & Middlebrooks IS WHAT WE NEED
Middlebrooks would value from a year behind Chipper. Lowrie can start/backup SS this year. Get these 2 plus a lower grade prospect (Brandon Jones CF would be excellent) for Prado + Jurrjens, and sing Beltran. We’ll worry about next years CF when we have a new owner next offseason.
How much do you think we could get Beltran to sing for??
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
A lot less than it'll cost us to get him to play LF
He didn’t have much of a market at the meetings, but after losing Pujols the Cards are looking to move Berkman to 1B and make a splash with an OF.
Doubt that, Craig is their long term plan there. I could see them signing a Carlos Pena though.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
He just had knee surgery, so they'll want another option
still need a SS though. And pitching help.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Depends... w/ him and Fielder on the FA market...
getting either of them to sing for less than Braun’s chips would be a challenge…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind
JJ to Boston for Lowrie and Reddick
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 10, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
three team deal
Reds: JJ, any royals pitching prospect not named Montgomery (perhaps lamb?)
Royals: Alonso Yonder, Martin Prado
Braves: will myers, stubbs or Bruce (if we get Bruce we also send Lipka to reds)
by darthspiderman on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They aren't trading Bruce, period
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
You mean he's older, less talented, and less valuable than Bruce
So yeah, I don’t know why his name is even in there. His value is not comparable to Stubbs.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
the crux of this deal for atlanta
Is myers
by darthspiderman on Dec 9, 2011 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and
I’m not saying this deal would necessarily work, but the pieces are there for a starting point surrounding jj prado myers and alonso
by darthspiderman on Dec 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know who's gonna be pissed??
The Royals, when they get Alonso Yonder and not Yonder Alonso….
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
Ooo ooo, I know!
It has to be KC and Texas….I just know it for sure! Plus, I overheard him trying to work a three-way trade with LSU and the Falcons to try to get Matt Ryan and Honey Badger. I have all this inside information because Frank Wren is my daddy and he let me turn hot dogs over on his grill!!
Colorado: Smith, Wheeler, Blackmon, Arenado (some combination). They could really use both JJ and Prado together. Best trade partner matchup, IMO.
Cincy: May be the worst matchup. They want JJ, don’t want to give up anybody on the MLeague roster except Yonder – and he’s a DH.
KC: Would want JJ. has thinned their outfield by managing to unload Melky. Doesn’t seem to seriously want to part with their prospects yet, though we would be happy with a couple of them.
Texas: Would want JJ only. Cruz, Andrus would certainly be of interest, but those are hard sells. Their interest may pick up on JJ if they lose on Darvish… though I expect them to bid strong.
Boston: Would want JJ (broken record). Kind of a mess. Not at all sure we could pry away the guys we’d want.
Baltimore: No… they aren’t giving up Jones or Markakis.
Toronto: Well, we’re not getting Bautista.
Yankees: If they lose on Darvish, we could get a call about JJ. Gardner or Swisher… and if that somehow happened, then the Colorado deal would change.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
This is why a deal is going to be tough.
You say the best matchup is Colorado, and they don’t want to trade Arenado or Fowler, and honestly Seth Smith and Wheeler/Blackmon isn’t enough for Prado as I explained above.
But your explanation only looked at Prado’s best-case against the others’ worst-case, so it really wasn’t very good.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
What about
JJ and Bourn to Yankees for Swisher, Gardner and Nunez/Pena?
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 10, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone tell me again why we would trade Prado?
One bad year out of 4 that can be largely attributed to his injury. He hits for high average, some power, plays good D, backs up our aging 3rd baseman (and every other infield position except SS & C), looks to be our 3rd baseman of the future, is the hardest working player on the team, a good teammate, is young, still cheap, and would probably sign long term at a really good value. He really has everything you could possibly want in a ball player.
I understand trading JJ. Though it makes me uneasy, we have a wealth of pitching prospects. And with JJ being a Boras guy, he could prove too expensive. But we have very little infield depth and not a bunch of upcoming studs.
Unless you got incredibly better, like somehow landing a young proven stud OF like a buy like Bruce, then trading Prado just doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
3rd baseman of future
Probably isn’t martin. I think he’ll be more of a stop gap for salcedes or another minor leaguer if he’s still around by time chip retires. No knock on him, he’s great at what he does, but at that point he won’t be as controllable nor as young.
by darthspiderman on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Too early to say whether Salcedo will stick.
If Chipper retires at the end of this year, we should try to lock Prado for 3 yrs. Buy out his last year of Arb, and stick him at 3B.
I think Chipper plays 2-3 more years
to see how close he can get to 3000. Chipper is one of those guys that they are going to have to drag off the field.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 10, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Because even if he plays at his ceiling for two years, the package the Braves can get for him would likely be a much greater value overall.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
If the best offer we’ve heard so far is Seth Smith with the Rocks not even willing to add in any of their top prospects, then, yeah, I think there’s a very good chance that we won’t get a more valuable return than what Prado would provide if he played at his peak.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Because you have to spend money to make money, and quite frankly, Prado is one attractive piece of currency.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
The big problem with Prado is he’s playing out of position. He’s a solid hitter, but a LF has to be a great hitter. If Chipper was gone no one would want to trade Prado period.
Trading JJ or Hanson (I think we’d get more for Hanson, and I’d rather have JJ as the veteran on the staff after Hudson leaves, which is most likely next year) makes sense.
If I was in charge, I’d be trying to sign JJ long-term and shopping Hanson. Trade him to the Yanks for Swisher+ 2 high prospects.
but a LF has to be a great hitter.
It does? What if you’re getting superb offense from 2 traditionally defenseive positions like, say…. Catcher and 2B? Then, can’t you have a guy out in left that’s a really good hitter and could also fill in at 3 other spots?
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
well stated my friend.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
With as many advances as have made in understanding and utlizing statistics to assess a player’s true value, there still seems to be this archaic idea that certain positions have to be certain types of players.
It’s not archaicness, but from the defensive value of a LF being limited.
What’s the most value you can get from a LF who’s a gold glover (which Prado isn’t), but is replacement-level for a LFer offensively?
But if you look around the league...
…Prado is certainly not replacement level for a left-fielder offensively.
Lets not forget...
we won a World Series with Ryan Klesko in LF….think about that for a moment when discussing the defensive capabilities of LF…ha.
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
Remember who was in CF and 3B though... both factors...
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Then all the more reason to also get the traditional offensive output from LF as well. Having above average production from traditionally week should be a bonus, not a replacement.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
traditionally weak positions*
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
And if we can get it, we will
but I think the point is that we shouldn’t go out and try to trade Prado just because he’s out of position, and we shouldn’t get a guy who has more power but isn’t as great of an overall hitter just because we traditionally expect more power out of LF.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I'll go one further here and say that our team actually fits together better than in we have a bopper in LF...
Do I want an elite dude to smash the ball every time he sees it? duh… but right now, with our dynamic, Prado fits our team nicely, regardless of position… If we had a LF bopper, where would we bat him? I don’t want to get into a lineup debate but at the end of the day, Prado is a great 2 hitter… we don’t currently need a 2 hitter because he is there so… yea. I’m pretty happy w/ him in LF.
Bourn, Prado, Chip, Uggla/McCann, McCann/Uggla, Heyward, Freeman, SS is not a bad lineup… If we had another bopper in the lineup, we’d have to bat him 6th as Heyward or Freeman would theoretically move up to the 2 hole… but neither are particularly suited for it…
Am I off my rocker here?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Having too many good hitters is a problem I’d like to have.
Personally, I’m not looking for a bopper so much as someone who can OBP .350 or better.
Like Prado did in '09-'10?
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
You hit the nail on the head man
It is a what have you done for me lately type of thing… the hell with what he did the other years, and the hell with a staph infection.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Pfft, staph infections
like those can seriously affect your physical performance.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
This is why you don’t trade him for the sake of trading him. You trade him for a needed piece.
I think Heyward’s struggles have a role in the Prado trade bait.
While I think 2011 isn’t Prado, I don’t think 2010 is either, truth’s probably in the middle- which will make an average to slightly above-average LF (I think 3 WAR is reasonable expectation for Prado)
I’d take 3 WAR from my LF, and not think twice about it…
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Looking at last year's numbers...
3 WAR would have made him the 9th most valuable LFer in the majors. That doesn’t suck.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Ah, I thought the average was a little higher. Maybe I’ve got unrealistic expectations for LFers.
Then again wasn’t 2011 historically bad for LF production?
You may be hoping we get a Braun type(way more than 3 WAR player though), but we just won’t come close to getting that. Prado had a staph infection, tough overall year for him and the team hitting. I think you are letting last season cloud your judgement way too much. Prado is a good hitter that is capable of being a 3 WAR player in LF, along with playing some 3B while Chipper is missing games. People should be appreciating what Prado can do and not want to just give up on him after one year. Going to be very very tough to replace what Prado can do for our MLB ballclub if traded.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I dunno.
It’s worth pointing out that Prado’s 1.6 WAR last year was good enough for 11th among qualified LFers. It doesn’t seem like it was a great position to get an impact out of.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
and of course, we have to keep in mind that last year was a COMPLETE disappointment for Prado. he could be a top 6-7 LFer this upcoming year. Who the eff bomb are we getting to replace that?
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Lord help. The guy has one bad freaking year and the hell with him. Jeez, I feel stupider after reading some comments on here. Prado has had a OBP of .350 or better in ‘09-’10 like duwanis said, and even had a .377 OBP in 2008 in limited time. I swear, sometimes I think people post shit just to post it and don’t even look up numbers……
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I gotta believe this is why the Rockies want him so bad — he would be a beast at Coors, especially with those wide open spaces in the outfield to knock balls into.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
But doesn’t Seth Smith sort of do the same thing?
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Seth Smith sort of does the same thing...
…except he has done it playing half his games at Coors and he does it left-handed, and he doesn’t do it against lefties.
any lineup in which uggla and mccann bat twice each is outstanding! :P
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I think that you’re glossing over the fact that half of Martin’s value is positional felxibility. Who plays 3rd if/when Chipper goes down? What about 2nd? Even at 1st, you’d probably see a Diaz/Martin/Hinske hodgepodge.
Add in the fact that he is traditionally a damn fine hitter….
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
If you get above average production from one position (in our case, Mac and Uggla) and below average production at another position, it still averages out to an average offense.
Having a big bat at 2B or C can be negated if we don’t have a big bat where most other good teams have one.
The real issue I have is how we are valuing Prado. I consider him an average to above average offensive LF. When we can trot Prado to LF, we have the potential to have a very good offense, but if chipper gets hurt, it really hurts because we don’t have a good offensive LF.
by dlkinser86 on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That's the problem with Chipper.
Outside of a few teams, nobody can afford to have good offensive backups—-if you have one who is league average for a starter, that’s pretty good.
my point
Prado’s biggest asset to the Braves is his versatility. He is our back up 2B, 3B, and would be considered for 1B as well. From the bench, we would back up those 3 spots, as well as LF and be our RH bench bat that we’ve been needing for a while now.
I’m not saying a guy like Willingham would be an upgrade to Prado. I’m saying that it will allow Prado to be used most effectively, in my opinion.
If we don’t get a LF, I would like us to get a utility type player (can we clone Prado??) to play the bench spots, or a backup OF that doesn’t embarrass himself at the plate.
He’s a solid hitter, but a LF has to be a great hitter.
Except that outside of the top 10 or so LFers in MLB there’s a pretty sharp drop off in offensive production. If Martin hits to his career averages he’s one of the better offensive LFers in baseball right now, add to that that he showed the ability to play above average D in LF and he’d easily be a 3-4 WAR player in LF, which would make him one of best guys who isn’t an elite bat like Braun or Holliday.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Then, can’t you have a guy out in left that’s a really good hitter and could also fill in at 3 other spots?
That sounds like the ideal 10th man to me.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
A really good hitting LFer that can play 3 other positions is a 10th man? What is this, the ’27 Yankees?
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Hopefully.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
That’s it, for a LFer, he isn’t a really good hitting LFer. His career averages make him decent at it.
Put him at 2B or 3B, he’s a very good player, borderline All-Star. Not at LF.
Do me a favor. In your mind, think of Uggla as a LFer and Prado as a 2B (which he truely is). Now, does our lineup look so bad?
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Now in your mind, think of Uggla at 2B, Nelson Cruz in LF, and Prado on the bench. How does that lineup compare to yours?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Way better than the one we have currently. Texas is trading Nelson Cruz? Let’s keep things realistic.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
They have outfield depth and a need for pitching, it’s not out of the realm of possibility. And I don’t think Wren is going to make a deal for a big leaguer unless it’s a Nelson Cruz-like player.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
And I don’t think Wren is going to make a deal for a big leaguer unless it’s a Nelson Cruz-like player.
Agree. What do you think they’d ask? Because I think that it’d be a lot.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
I don’t think they’d get more than JJ and maybe a plus pitching prospect like Perez maybe. Like you said below, JJ was the best pitcher in the NL half of last year, and when he’s healthy a Cy Young contender.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
They wouldn't do that deal.
Not even close.
Depends on what we spend for Cruz.
But he’s an overall comparable hitter to Prado (assuming a bounce-back to ‘09/’10 levels) who has more power than OBP-skills.
On the one hand it would greatly improve our bench to have Prado there, but I don’t think that’s worth what it would take to pull Cruz.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I should clarify before I get stats-jumped
Cruz appears to be declining, so that’s why I’m looking at last year’s numbers for him. If I’m wrong and we get the Cruz that OPSes in the .950-1.000 range, clearly that’s not comparable to Prado.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Force trade button...
…strikes again!
(And really, Nellie Cruz spends as much time on the DL as he does in left, lol).
Same logic but a proposal that is a little more realistic
Think of Uggla at 2B, Seth Smith/Diaz Platoon in LF, and Tim Wheeler added to our position prospects. Easily make an argument that smith/diaz platoon gives you the same production as Prado, we save about $2M this year depending on smith’s and prado’s arb figures, and build up our prospect pool. Not to mention Prado benefits by playing at his correct position.
by In a minute I might be right on Dec 9, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with that...
…is that Smith/Diaz is not as good as Prado in left, we end up having a worse 3B backup (because we can use Prado and backup OF’s tend to be better hitters than backup INF). Remember that Diaz is past his prime and while he had a nice run as a lefty killer, production from him is hardly guaranteed. And Smith is in his prime but only has a career OPS of .750 outside of Coors Field.
That kind of trade would be trading present value for the high risk/high reward possible future value of Wheeler (if the Rockies will even trade him). I don’t see how that makes sense for a contending team like the Braves.
BTW, I completely agree that if we can improve the team by trading Martin, we absolutely should. I just don’t think the names tht have been batted around warrant the trade of a guy who is coming off his worst year as a pro and could OPS .830 again next year.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Get off the trade idea already
With questions about Hudson’s back and Hanson’s shoulder, we should keep Jurrjens.
With Chipper’s age and knees, we should keep Prado.
Sign Cody Ross and Nick Punto and be done with it before they get signed by somebody else.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Even in the catastrophically worst case scenario where we lose Hudson and Hanson for the entire season and trade JJ, we’d still have a rotation with Beachy/Minor/Medlen/JT/Delgado. That would still be the second or third best rotation in the division, and nowhere near the bottom of the NL.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
It would be a fine rotation, no doubt. But the pen would be overworked worse than it was in 2011.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
If Fredi has anything to say about it, anyway.
“What the hell? It’s the fifth inning? YANK THE STARTER”
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I don’t consider Medlen, Minor, Teheran or Delgado as “innings eaters” at this point.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
But you never know. And the fact is, Hudson and Hanson aren’t going to miss the whole season, that was the absolute worst case scenario, and it wasn’t that bad.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I don't either
but Fredi’s shown that he’s going to pull rookies early anyway.
That may not be fair, he may have been under an edict to watch them, but I got the feeling that a lot of our bullpen use towards the end of the season was unnecessary.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Fredi was a bit more easy on the pen this year. He seemed to understandthe problem, we just played too many close games early in the season.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
He seems to have learned his lesson. I just think we’d be better off with JJ, Prado, C Ross and Punto.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
I just don’t see any scenario where trading JJ right now would hurt this team more than help.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
We just disagree, not the end of the world
Jurrjens was the best starter in the NL for the 1st half of 2011, I’d give him a chance to replicate.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Risky, because it seems unlikely that he could replicate that...
but this discussion has been had a hundred times before.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
The stats say that, but whenever he’s healthy he’s in the top 5 Cy Young conversation.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yes...
but there’s a difference between being “in the top 5 Cy Young conversation” and being “the best starter in the NL.”
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
OK, “best starter in the NL” was over the top, but he was in the discussion for starting the All Star game. He did not suck in the 1st half of 2011.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
And I would be surprised if he repeated that.
I’d rather sell high, as it were, to teams who think that he’s a lock to pitch like that as long as his joints are all in working order. But like I said, this is the same song and dance that’s been done on this site repeatedly since July.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
That's the difference
I wouldn’t be surprised. I think he’s a very good pitcher.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
I think in terms of available pitching, JJ is going to end with a team that either (a) opted out of the Darvish bidfest; (b) lost in the bidding for Darvish. Just about all of the other decent starters are no longer available, IIRC. So this is an excellent time to move him.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Bingo.
We were waiting on CJ Wilson to sign.. and now we will wait until Darvish is won… then the bidding for JJ will kick up… however, with so many teams openly saying their young arms are available… I have a feeling JJ will not be moved as FW just doesn’t HAVE to do it… and teams won’t pay what he’s wanting.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
And the longer we wait, the more signable decent players get picked up by other teams.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
so?
We have better than decent SPs… if teams want to contend, they will pay for them or we move on.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Which is one reason that I think we end up keeping him at least until the trade deadline….
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Exactly
I started this conversation with “forget trading”, just go sign a 4th OF and cheap, decent bench MI.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
I just don’t think that’s the focus here — we seem to be looking for trading partners… the best way to get young, controllable players… and we have what teams are looking for.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
We have a few extra BP arms awaiting a callup and PeMo will likely be a mid-season addition.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
just because we have them...
doesn’t mean Fredi will use them.. I swear, last year… when we brought up RPs, they somehow got left off the lineup card… Fredi had penciled most people in… but O’ventbrel was there is blood red ink.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
There weren’t too many complaints in the game threads about using O’Ventbrel in the first half of the season. I think if our offense produces to its potential, Fredi will back way off the pen this season.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
what is that saying.. a leopard never changes his stripes?
Or is it a tiger never changes his spots… Either way… Fredi is what he is…. and as much as I hope he changes. Can you really expect that?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
He changed between the first and second halves last year.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it would have been embarrassing if Johnny BadAss’ arm literally fell off his torso while throwing a pitch, so.. yeah.. He had to change.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
by Fatvirus on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for some reason, I laughed so hard, my office mates worried...
Thanks for the Friday humor…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
glad i wasnt the only one
You won't always agree with me...Because sometimes you're wrong.
by JonnyBravesFan on Dec 9, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not being a Punto signing... in fact... why do we want/need him?
He is not an improvement over what we can look at in our MiLB rankings… yea, veteran, whatever… and Cody Ross… don’t we have him… his name is Eric Hinske… or is it Matt Diaz?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I would actually like to see that. Comedic gold.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Well... Conrad backs up 3B...
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
or so we say….
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Have you forgot his mad skillz? I say give him a Segway and he’ll do it all himself
Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson
If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner
+1 for segway reference.... -1 for ginormous picture...
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the only one I could find, there was one with him doing the superman to catch a ball but he was in a Red Sox uni.
Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson
If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner
search image size and there is a way to shrink when posting...
Just friendly advice… :-)
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
just add height=“250” after the last " in the image URL
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I haven’t brushed up on my HTML code in awhile
Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson
If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner
You can use any number besides 250 there, 250 is typically the maximum people like to see around here.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Love the woman right above his glove.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
the one doing the wave or the one looking like she has a vibrator in her panties?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
The one that is *right* above his glove
with the look on her face that appears to be a transition between “crap that’s at least a double” to “OMG HE ACTUALLY CAUGHT THAT”
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I'd be fine with that...
hell, switch out Punto for the Ragin’ Cajun’, Ryan Theriot, and I’d still be fine with it…
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
Cody Ross...
That is all…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
20% K rate and a below average fielder. DO IT
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
Having a career .779 OPS and .337 wOBA as your 4th OF, and can back up all 3 positions…hell yeah do it
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
ajcbraves David O’Brien
Fredi: "If season starts tomorrow, in no particular order you’ve got Hudson, Jurrjens, Beachy, Hanson, and 1 of Minor, Delgado or Teheran. "
Well, yeah, Fredi…. if you ignore the fact that Huddy would be on the DL.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Yesterday or the day before he was stretching out Medlen to be a starter. I guess he has changed his position.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
It’s on Medlen to wow them in ST at this point, like Beachy did last year.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
no, just further proof he doesn't even know who he has at any given point.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
He was never "stretching out Medlen to be a starter"
he said they were going to stretch him out because there’s no reason not to.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Stretching him in case they need him as a SP or long relief. More options for the team that way…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Right, hence "no reason not to"
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Sorry...
it wasn’t about the paraphrase, it was about the intention. Fredi didn’t say he was stretching him out so that he could consider him for the rotation, he’s stretching him out as a “just in case” kind of thing.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
My understanding
He’s probably going to be a reliever/long reliever, but with questions about Hudson’s back and Hanson’s shoulder plus service time clocks for the kids, he should be stretched out in ST.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
sounds right but remember what he was doing before surgery?
He was tearing it up a la Beachy/Minor/Delgado…. Shoot, we could showcase Medlen in ST as trade bait on the level of a Vizzy/Delgado (maybe higher because of his experience)
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is completely ridiculous...
What a rotation… Even w/ questions, at least we don’t see campillo (whatever his name was), Jo-jo, Morton or any of the other slew of wanna be SPs… I love this depth. All of them have the ability to pitch above average at the MLB level… How do you sell AAA to Minor, Delgado or Teheran!? Or Medlen for that matter… If you put Medlen in the BP, where do you put our other long reliever (name escapes me)… What a great problem to have.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Chsriststhian Martinez?
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
that guy
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
It actually wouldn’t be a bad idea to have two long men. Imagine every 3-4 days Medlen just pitches 3-4 innings and gives the rest of the pen a day off. Then you still have C Mart in case there’s a long extra innings game and for mop up.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS... I know quite a few people who need two long men...
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Where's duwanis?
b/c I got told my “TWSS” comments were bad, this has got to be there…ha.
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
hey hey...
My TWSS card has been stamped so many times… I could get a free coffee at starbucks…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
haha, well said sir!
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
I didn't say a bloody thing about your TWSS jokes
but it’s the thought that counts, I guess? :)
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I believe that was me he’s referring to. And Klem, that TWSS was stretching a bit, but still nowhere near as bad as jwrocks.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks KG....I'm glad I'm still at the pinnacle
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
It was
King of games, my bad Duwanis, that’s what happens when you blog and work….bad bad things…
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
It's all good
there are worse people for you to confuse me with than King. ;)
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Would be tough to have a Peter Moylan/Cory Gearrin type ROOGY with 2 long relief guys…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Medlen could fill that role some too.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
you missed another “s” in there somewhere…
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
How do you sell AAA to Minor, Delgado or Teheran!? Or Medlen for that matter…
I imagine you would start by highlighting the benefits of a nationwide roadside assistance network…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
what is it w/ you guys and making me laugh this morning.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
nice..
rec.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
you fogot about...
Chuck James, James Parr, Lance CormierJorge Sosa, Kyle Davies, Horatio Ramirez, John Thomson, Buddy Carlisle and Jeff Bennet
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
it's called a mental block... and it was there for good reason... duece.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
haha. 2005 – 2007 sucked so hard.
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
yeah it did. we actually had decent offense too
just 5 run implosions from the rotation, and 5 run implosions from the BP lol
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Gee, I can’t fathom why we had to go out and sign Lowe and Kawakami.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Kawakami... the dragon slayer... the richest losing pitcher in AA history... What an american baseball career... he should write a book.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
did he learn enough english?
I’m guessing Manga is more his thing… Isn’t that the only kind of books over there…?
Before anyone says anything, I was stationed in Japan for 2 years, love it dearly and this is merely for banter pleasure. :-)
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
neither could I
but file this under TC’s dead horse debates. It’s a fat file.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
eeew. need to take a shower now.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
That excited that you need to wash off?
Must have been the talk of two long men in the pen…
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
har har, no. this:
“Chuck James, James Parr, Lance CormierJorge Sosa, Kyle Davies, Horatio Ramirez, John Thomson, Buddy Carlisle and Jeff Bennet”
add danny kolb, bob wickman
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
two fat men in the pen?
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
well played sir... well played... Pelican.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
That list literally made me cringe
You won't always agree with me...Because sometimes you're wrong.
by JonnyBravesFan on Dec 9, 2011 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sell AAA to Minor, Delgado, or Teheran?
why would you have to “sell” them on it? You say kid, you’re going to AAA and be done with it. if they ask why, say we’ve got 5 starters, and you’re not one of them yet. Be patient and wait your turn, it’s coming.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
This.
I don’t get to pick and choose what projects I get assigned at work.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Chuckle
The Mets have asked around and not received “even minor interest” for Jason Bay, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
If I were the mets, I would package him and Parnell, get whatever comes and have a nice day.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Parnell for a little 7th inning 99mph action
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Adam Rubin: No longer a filet mignon-kind of franchise, the Mets still got work done in Dallas.
Eh Adam…they were never a filet mignon franchise. More like Waffle House sirloin. Actually those are pretty good. Perhaps Jr. Whopper.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
there’s a market for those too… I’m not sure the Amazin’s could be compared to great aunt sally’s meatloaf right now… that might be too kind.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 9, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Blah, this week has been a disappointment
There’s no rule that says you have to get your deals done this week, but I was hoping the Braves would. After having already traded Derek Lowe to clear $5 million, I thought we might move quickly.
Guess I’ll need to take a break, and come back if I hear we’ve actually signed someone.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Keep Prado. . . TRADE UGGLA. . .
and spend the Uggla money on an outfielder and a proven shortstop. Too bad the Braves had little interest in Jose Reyes. Minor league prospect Pastornicky is an ERROR MACHINE !!!
Dumb.
Trade Uggla???? Would open a hole
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Dec 9, 2011 8:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What could we get for Uggla realistically? No one’s going to want that contract.
If Pastornicky has a really good rookie year, and Uggla has a great year, I’d trade him then to move Pastornicky to 2nd, Prado to 3rd, and sign a LF (unless Uggla wants to go to Left)
We aren't trading Ugs
maybe after a year, but no one cuts bait that quick after a big trade and extension.
Maybe we could do Uggla and Jurrjens for Seth Smith and Arenado? Uggla might jack 50+ in Colorado.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Why would we trade one of our greatest sluggers?
He is the first guy to slug 30hrs in many years in Atlanta.
So outside of slugging, he had a down year over all do to his poor start. I think there is a lot more good things to come from Uggla…at least in the next few years. After that, yeah me might trade him, but at that point who would take him?
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Dec 10, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
And Reyes is not what we want at all
Ridiculous
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Dec 9, 2011 8:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not anymore
The last time the Brewers were in town, Prince Fielder ate it.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
75 Errors vs. 1017 Assists for a SS
when is that considered an “error machine”?
wow. just stop the idiocy.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 10, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
A's - DBacks trade
I thought the haul that the A’s got for Cahill is rather unimpressive. Obviously, I hope the Braves get a lot more if/when they trade JJ, but maybe the trade market for a SP just isn’t there for some odd reason.
Parker's
a stud. but the D’Backs have 3 other stud pitchers (Skaggs, Bauer and Bradley) and they just got MUCH better at the ML level.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 10, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
If Wren does indeed sign Punto
does this make Prado somewhat expendable ? At least to the point to where we aren’t so worried about “what if Chipper breaks down” to where we could go after a LFer ?
Nick Punto isn't even a Poor Man's Prado
He’s like a Beggars Can’t Be Choosers’ Prado.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Dec 9, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree . But I was just saying
that doing so would make it a little easier to be able to trade Prado knowing that we have someone who can fill that insurance/backup role for Chipper and SS . Or am I greatly mistaken ? Of course the trade for the new LFer would have to be an obvious upgrade .
JJ for Youkilis
Has Youk recovered from his injury. Do u think the Sox would do this. All star pitcher for all star position player. Not sure how much Youk makes or for how long, but he can play leftfield. Good avg with good power and really good obp. Just throwing the idea out there.
If they did I would be all over it
It would allow us to start Youkilis who could play 3B or LF and allow Prado to fill in when Youkilis or Chipper could not play. Youk would definitely be an upgrade over Prado…BUT
I very seriously doubt Boston would do this…Youk is a fan favorite up there from what I understand.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
Youks in LF???
I’m both a Braves and Red Sox fan, and I’m just curious as to why you think Youks can play LF on a regular basis. He has 2 games in LF (8 total in the outfield) since 2006. His range would be like starting Hinske out there. I wouldn’t mind him next year when Chipper retires, and the team might not exercise his option if Middlebrooks proves he is ready. I would rather take my chances signing him in free agency. I would prefer us to trade JJ for Middlebrooks + others (I want Lowrie!).
I’m really starting to sour on the idea of trading Prado. I’m not a huge fan of him but the fact that he can fill in at 2B, 3B, and LF makes him valuable. I really don’t think we’re going to get blown away by a trade offer for him either.
Jurrjens on the other hand I think we can get a couple good prospects for.
If Jesus could learn to hit the curveball
I say FW signs him as a FA, stick him in LF, and turn Prado into SuperUtilityGuy. Problem solved.
I mean, just think how much WAR Jesus could compile in 1 year.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I imagine Jesus would not condone WAR.
Then again that is just my interpretation…
/bannedforreligiousmention
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Dec 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
And with the advent of the Nike Sandals collection we could really expand our exposure here.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Isn't he the latin american who can't play the field?
I already thought he had a big stick… just needs to find a glove. :-)
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
damn, its
the 13th and not even a rumor… Come on Wren at least make something up to get us excited
I can't believe this username was vaild
by Atlanta Braves Fan on Dec 13, 2011 5:26 AM EST reply actions
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