Silly Fish
by ace16tx on Dec 7, 2011 6:20 PM EST
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You would think the Marlins would have learned. Your going to go out and literally double your payroll AT LEAST. Yes Sun Life stadium was a rat house but I just don’t understand how you expect to SUSTAIN attendance for the years to come. Let’s face it Florida is a terrible sports state (except college football(except the Hurricanes.)) I don’t know what it is. The folks in Miami and Tampa are always complaining about how their respective stadiums aren’t in good locations. Then then how the hell do you explain the Marlins, Rays, Hurricanes, Dolphins, Jaguars, Bucs and even to some degree the Heat never selling out games. Yeah some of those teams suck right now but even when they were good attendance is bad. The Bucs narrowly missed the playoffs last year and didn’t sell out a single game.
I don’t blame the owners for trying. They have a new stadium and they NEEDED to change the culture. There’s nothing wrong with going out and signing Jose Reyes. There’s nothing wrong with going out and signing Heath Bell. There’s nothing wrong with going out and signing Mark Buerhle. There’s nothing wrong with going out and signing CJ Wilson, There’s nothing wrong with going out and signing Pujols or Fielder. But to have already have done three of those things and not ruling out the others is going to destroy the franchise.
They are trying to one up the Heat. Draw in that younger crowd. But those fans suck. Have you seen a Heat game? Those guidos show up late with unbutton their shirts to reveal heir greased hairy chests, treat games as as a social event rather than a game, and leave early to "beat the traffic." But let’s face it. Baseball is an older man’s game. Even if the Marlins wanted that crowd they couldn’t get them.
Look I love the Braves. I’m sure most of you are praying for this to tank their a**. But as a fan the game I am legitimately concerned for their future. I hope they can finally draw. The games would be so much better if they did. I hope they can be competitive to a certain extent (not enough to beat the Braves of course.)
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They are gonna bust
The first move with Bell is understandable with their closer situation . Reyes however , that deal is gonna bust . He’ll be more injured than anything . It’s also caused a MAJOR problem for them with Hanley . Some people close to him and around his home have tweeted that he is NOT happy . Their FO has been saying otherwise , but exactly what are they supposed to say ? They needed pitching . They signed Buerhle who is not horrible . But he is a career 3.83 ERA guy who eats a lot of innings . Nothing special . But will get you to the 6th or 7th inning .
They are still trying to sign Wilson ( I think he goes back to where he is from , the Angels ) and Fielder ( There appears to be an even bigger market for Fielder ) . But I just don’t think those two will end up there .
I just think they are shooting themselves in the foot with all these big contracts without the uncertaintity that they will sell out all their games next year . I see them ( with just the 3 that they have signed ) still coming in at 3rd or 4th place this year , and selling out the first month and a 1/2 , and then having to make moves either next year , or the next consecutive years to keep some of these contracts and younger players like Stanton , Johnson and Lomo .
even when they did this 15 years ago they didn't sell out sun life
i remember boog saying that. that it looked pretty much the same
They are out
of the Pujols’ sweepstakes.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 7, 2011 9:33 PM EST reply actions
97 wins is a heluva lot
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
LOL. That’s how much the Yankees won.
by another simpsons avatar on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
yeah what is the thinking there? a likely 100 games out of reyes and Heath Bell turn them to a 97 win team?
also, heath bell they overpaid for, he has pitched over his head for a while now and his inability to miss bats will hurt him now that hes out of petco.
by Rodrda01 on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I've been thinking the same thing
Glad someone else thinks Bell was a product of his park
by bloodsweatandbeers on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
The problem in Florida isn’t that they won’t support a sports team, it’s that they won’t support a bad sports team (and stadium location is another concern in a couple cases).
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
College football. Game over.
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
In Miami? Try again
maybe the Dolphins, but that’s it.
And on king’s suggestion of the Heat, I’m pretty sure they had several empty seats during the NBA Finals in that arena.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
The Heat and Magic were 5th and 9th in average home attendance last season respectively. That’s far from unsupported.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Knicks were 6th, the Lakers 8th, and the Celtics 11th for comparison. Inexplicably the Cavs were 3rd. Go figure.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Which depends on stadium size
and is judged by ticket sales, not actual attendance (see the Marlins attendance figures).
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Miami was also 5th based on capacity. And everyone lies about actual attendance, so it should balance out.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
So they did, or didn't have numerous empty sits in the Finals?
which was what I said in the first place. And with Lebron, etc they can sell corporate packages inflating that number more than others.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
According to ESPN, every game of the Finals was sold out.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Can only go by the facts we have, not speculation. Fact is, Florida has two teams that are being well supported by their fan bases.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's facts...
watching those Finals games in Miami, a lot of the sold tickets came dressed as empty chairs.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Those people could have just been in the bathroom, Florida is a retirement state you know. And the bathroom lines at stadiums? Atrocious.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Besides, the question wasn’t whether attendance was good in the Finals, it was whether Florida supports their sports teams. I gave two teams with undeniable evidence that fans supported them.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
did you not hear the fan up campaign?
they should have been 1 with signing lebron.
end of story
What you said here
I’m still not sure of….
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
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early in the heat's season they couldn't even sell out their games
and the ones that did showed up late and left early. they launched a “fan up” campaign urging their fans to be better fans. i tried to find the commercial but it looks like they pulled it from embarrassment.
all i could find was this:
Wow the prices on that thing are ridiculous. Not ridiculous by stadium standards but ridiculous to me all the same.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
this was a response to some guy talking about attendance
the 1 refers to attendance rank
i said college football does well (seminoles, gators)
thats because a different culture surrounds college football
but i asked about a PRO team
And he responded
with the Hurricanes.
I don’t see the issue.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 8, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
They actually supported the Heat pretty well once they started winning last year.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
That’s why they aren’t giving out no trade clauses. They will trade these guys as soon as they aren’t pulling in enough revenue.
by drumzalicious on Dec 8, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We've seen this movie
The Marlins have bought two world series before. That formula has worked for them.
More power to them.
haha. simply not true.
1997 Florida Marlins:
C- Charles Johnson- drafted by Marlins
1B- Jeff Conine- Drafted by Marlins in expansion draft
2B- Luis Castillo- Signed by Marlins as undrafted FA
3B-Bobby Bonilla- Signed by Marlins as FA in 1996 Free Agency
SS-Edgar Renteria- Drafted By Marlins
LF- Moises Alou- Signed in 1996 Free Agency
CF- Devon White- Signed in 1995 Free agency
RF- Gary Sheffield- Traded for in the 1993 regular season
SP- Livan Hernandez- Signed as Cuban defector in 1996
SP- Kevin brown- Signed in 1995 FA
SP- Al Leiter- Signed in 1995 FA
As you can see. Most of that Marlins team was homegrown Talent. most of the FA signed were before, in ’95. a few were signed after ’96, Alou being the big one, but you can hardly call that “buying a championship”.
2003 was almost the exact same thing. Ivan Rodriguez was signed in FA, and Pierre in a trade, but the rest of the major features of that team, Derrek Lee, Luis Castillo, Josh Becket, Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Mike Lowell, Alex Gonzalez, were all homegrown talent.
the notion that the Marlins “bought a championship” is simply a myth. they spent some additional money to sign a few good players when they wanted to make a run at it( Alou, Brown, Pudge), but that simply does not mean they bought it.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 9, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Derrek Lee, Juan Pierre, and Mike Lowell came from the fire sale in 98-99, but you’re pretty much spot-on. There were no glut of huge FA contracts that made the team a WS champion.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
you are correct sir
but Lee started his Career with the Marlins in the Minors, Lowell was added after his debut, but i think still spent some time in the minors before he became a permanent player I think.
Its just funny how people have gotten into their minds that the marlins only bought their championships. 1997 may have a better case, but 2003 could be nothing further from a bought championship. the “firesale” after 2003 was getting rid of the young talent we’d developed before we had to pay them huge contracts.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 9, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Time will tell if the marlins are serious about keeping their raised payroll
I believe we are alot closer to contention now then we were before. no more black hole of offense at 3B, add back a healthy Josh Johnson, Reyes, a consistent LHP in Buehrle, a much more consistent closer in Bell, and I think we will be fighting with you guys all year for 2nd. The talent is simply there.
but as I said, time will tell..
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
The Marlins finished the year 17 games back of the Braves
And thats a Braves team that struggled offensively for the most part , all year long . J-Hey , Martin (if not traded) , will both be better this year . We will have a full year of Bourn . We were able to get rid of Lowe as well as our hitting coach . Uggla should be more Uggla like this year ( has always enjoyed hitting at Turner Field ) .
Thats the Braves upside . The Braves downside would be Hansons’ Shoulder being a question and Pastornicky . But it wouldn’t take much to give close to the same amount of offensive production of Gonzo . So I would say there is more upside to the Braves this year than last year . Hudson should be fine as well as Jurrjens ( if not traded ) .
The Marlins upside would be that you signed Reyes , Bell , and Buehrle . Stanton is a beast .
BUT . The new parks dimensions are considerably bigger than the old one . And while this will help the pitching and defense , it could also hurt the offense . Guys like Stanton , Lomo , Hanley ( if he’s not traded , and he probably will be ) aren’t likely to hit as many HR’s as last year . And Beuhrle does eat a lot of innings , but his ERA , K/9 are nothing special and at best will give the team a chance to win 15 of his starts . He has also given up the most hits in the Majors in 4 out of the 11 full years he has pitched . And I might get ripped a little when I say this , but he looks like a slightly better LH version of D-Lowe . Bell will probably do alright . But his numbers were arguably good in part over the years due to the fact that he faced the NL West for most of the year . And looking at his splits , the Braves , Mets , and Nats have all been somewhat productive against him . The Phillies on the other hand , have not . The Marlins also have a huge question mark with Josh Johnson . No one knows how his big body will react to coming back after his surgery or wether he will be able to come back and sustain productivity all year . And you guys don’t exactly have the deepest farm system when it comes to pitching .
With that being said , I don’t see the Marlins being no better than a 3rd or 4th place team again this year . I still think that the Nats will be the Braves big concern for 2nd . And it may not even be our concern this year . The Phillies are getting much older and have issues as well . The Marlins could be chasing the Phillies for that 2nd spot . Time will tell .
Hanley wont be traded.
thats being way overblown by the media. Im counting a return to productivity by hanley. Johnson may be a question mark, but I think you forget that he came back from Tommy Johnson surgery as one of the best pitchers in baseball. Surgery hasnt exactly hindered him. even in his few outings last year, he was VERY good. Im not too worried about him. You forget that Logan Morrison is only 24 and has alot of upside of offensively. Stanton is only 22 years old, and has already hit over 50 major league HR. His Average will only get better.
SS Reyes- If he can stay Healthy, which IS a qustion mark, he’ll be a great lead-off man
2B Infante- admittedly im counting on him hitting better then his .275 last year. .285 would be welcome
3B Hanley- A return even to 2010 levels would be significant for this offense. but we all know he is capable of much more….
RF Stanton- this guy is a monster. 22 years old still, and hits balls harder then anybody I’ve seen. Im counting on some improvement in the avg ans OBP. doesn’t even have to be significant.
1B Sanchez- Proved last year that he can be a productive 1st baseman. hes no Albert Pujols, but he is a solid RBI man if nothing else.
LF Morrison- Ideally you dont want him in LF. but hes played it well enough for it not to become a major problem. He is loaded with potential, and in my opinion is primed for his break out year.
C Buck- For a catcher, he’s got some pop in his bat for sure, but his value really comes from his experience behind the plate.
CF Bonifacio- He is a bit of a mystery. last year he figured out how to get on base. once McKeon started to let him run, he accrued almost 30 SB from july-september. He is one of the fastest players in the league, and if he continues where he left off last year, can become a pretty valuable thorn in he side. he could even bat 2nd.
thats a lineup with alot of upside in it. its unproven obviously, but I believe comparable to the other lineups in the NL East.
The rotation should be solid as well:
Josh Johnson- the consistent 3rd best pitcher in his division behind Halladay and Lee (although I’d put him toe to toe against either of them and still feel confident). questions are there about his return from injury, but I’ve seen this show before. He came back with avengeance from TJ surgery years ago. He puts out 20-win potential every year, and maybe with a solid bullpen, he can actually get closer to that mark this year.
Anibal sanchez- he had a bad 2nd half, but sill ended up with decent stats. He showed he could pitch with the big boys and we shall see if he can buld off that once more. a viable #2 pitcher.
Mark Buehrle- The model of consistency. he gets his job done. it might not be as pretty as you would like, but it works.
Ricky Nolasco- I’ve seen him pitch complete game shutouts multiple times where he just looks dominant. but then I’ve seen him struggle so badly. He has shown much inconsistency, and ended up with one of his worst years. As a #4 option, he has decent potential.
Volstad/Sanabia/Hand- who knows what we shall see here. Volstad is still only 25 years old, but hasnt exactly lived up to his 1st round potential. Sanabia looked good in his limited work in the big leagues, and I really like Brad Hand, but i think he might be a year away.
Bullpen ranked as one of the better ones in the league last year for once. and with an actual established closer in Miami, there looks to be much fewer blown leads. Rotation has good potential, but there do exist a few ? marks. Lineup has alot of upside as well.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 10, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Schneider > McCann
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 10, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Was the conversation with the other 3 Marlins fans getting stale over there in Marlins blog land?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
how original.
was your life so pointless and without meaning that your only entertainment is to try and troll a visiting fan who has just engaged in friendly debate?
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 10, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Technically
It’s “try to”, not “try and”…
…and you are currently on an Atlanta Braves message board, which would make you the troll, by definition.
Hey! I’m new.
by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
Twitter: @biggentleben
by biggentleben on Dec 10, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not how they do it in the panhandle yo.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Except
I did not come here to talk smack, just baseball. Just because im not a braves fan means im a troll?
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 10, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
We would be shirking our responsibilities to not make these comments, it’s in our contract.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
We welcome you with open arms
to be treated as any other fan who thinks their bottom dwelling team will be the team to beat next year . They are improved . But they are not as good as they look on paper .
Woah there, pump the brakes dude.
Hopefully given the new logo and home run apparatus the development of a sense of humor is right around the bend.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
forgive me
It can be quite annoying when you hear the same joke made 10000 times.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 10, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
If the joke is going to a Marlins game then I doubt its ever happened 10,000 times…
/slinks off
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Hey
If thats the case , it happened 19,007 times last year . Average attendance was dead last in the NL and 3rd from last in the majors .
Wow. It was a joke, holmes.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 10, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Every team in baseball
can do the whole each player breakdown and make it seem like their team will be better this year . But , the Marlins were DEAD LAST in the division last year . And with the exception of the Mets , every team in the division will arguably be getting better to go along with the Marlins . And I just don’t see the Marlins improving to where they will win 15-20 more wins this year . If every team (Phillies,Braves,Nats) were gonna be just as good as they were last year and not be improving , then I could see the Marlins being able to close in some in the division .
And how was the Marlins bullpen one of the best in the league last year when they were blowing so many saves . Here are the ranked teams in our division last year for pitching rankings .
1)Phillies
4)Braves
7)Nats (6th in NL)
16)Marlins (10th NL)
21)Mets (13th NL)
Bullpen ERA’s in the division (rankings in the NL)
1)Braves (3.03)
4)Nats (3.20)
6)Marlins (3.44)
7)Phillies (3.45)
15)Mets (4.33)
What was weird to know , is that the Braves bullpen actually blew more saves last year , but that may be due to the fact of being in so many save oppurtunities . The braves were in 77 SVO and blew 25 . Where as the Marlins were in 59 SVO and blew 19 of them . And while Bell will be an upgrade , he still has not been exactly dominant against the Braves , Mets , and Nats .
No one is gonna argue that the Marlins aren’ better than last year . But they still won’t be any better than the 3rd or 4th place team they are being projected to be by most analyst , outside of Florida .
your probably right
however we shall see. Im counting on the braves not improving too much outside of internal improvement of Heyward and Freeman. Nats are pretty much the same thing(we shall see how the whole Bryce Harper, Strasbourg comeback thing works out). I still think the Marlins have gained some decent ground this off-season. Maybe not enough to actually overtake the braves, but enough to at least make it interesting.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, and Marlins
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 10, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
A good start by Uggla (or at least a not terrible start) and a bounce back year from Heyward, not to mention replacing Schafer’s numbers with Bourn’s.
Just average work from those 3 and we easily gain a replacement level’s stats over last year.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Yeah we'll see
But any improvement (full year of Bourn , improvement from Heyward , Uggla , Prado , Freeman non sophomore slump , and no D-Lowe ) will be just that much more ground that the fish will have to catch up to . Just don’t se it happening .
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