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NEED MOAR HAPPY TIMES IN TWENTYTWELVE

As the year 2011 winds down to a close, I'd just like to take this opportunity to say thank you to all Talking Chop readers. Thanks for your readership, thanks for your words, knowledge and insights and opinions we may or may not always agree on. Your one-time visits, or your frequent stopping by. The site's not fun without readers to share it with, and not so great without a community that's so willing to share back.

The Braves might not have fulfilled destiny in 2011, but it was still a good, exciting season regardless. Here's to hoping for better fortune, more excitement, and more good baseball in 2012, and such sentiment goes out to each and everyone one of you.

Welcome back to the basement.

METS

Mets really don't want R.A. Dickey to do charity mountain climb - Wall Street Journal
I can see this from both sides. MLB and the Mets don't want their most reliable pitcher scaling Mt. Kilimanjaro, because it's really really dangerous, and if he gets hurt, the Mets are boned. They're threatening to void the last year of his deal if he does it and gets hurt, which I can understand from the business standpoint. However, the purpose of the climb is to raise awareness of the underage human sex trafficking in India, which is a rampant problem. Somehow, I'm betting that Dickey does it anyway, and doesn't get hurt, and this all becomes a moot point in the end.

Star-divide

Mets spent $142M and still ended up in fourth place - Amazin' Avenue
After you read a headline like that, there's really not much I can add to it. They spent a ton, and made very little results. Granted, some of it is still coping with the Minaya mess left behind, but still, that stings.

Citi Field's ranking dropped to Negative by Standard's and Poor - Bloomberg.com

Major League Baseball’s Mets sold tax-exempt bonds in 2006 and 2009 backed by revenue such as luxury suites, concessions, naming rights and parking fees. Cash flow has declined each year since the 42,000-seat stadium opened in 2009. Last year, attendance fell 27 percent to 2.29 million.

Daniel Murphy turns to faith during his latest rehabilitation - NY Daily News
An unfortunate man, plagued by injuries throughout his career, where else can he turn to, without becoming too dark? I'm not a religious person, but I'm all for doing whatever non-illegal things necessary to get one's self back into a positive state of mind.

Rob Johnson signs minor league deal with Mets - NY Post
Looking at a depth chart of Josh Thole and Mike Nickeas/Rob Johnson makes me feel really fortunate seeing Brian McCann and David Ross. Just sayin'

Slow week? Slow week - SBNation
You know it's slow when Rob Neyer is talking about fake rumors gone awry.

NATIONALS

Battle for the #5 starter spot - The Nats Blog
The Nationals' rotation is pretty clear right now - Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, Jordan Zimmermann, Chien-Ming Wang. The fifth spot is somewhat of a conundrum, with two possible candidates. John Lannan, who is going to be due close to $5M in arbitration, or Ross Detwiler, he of zero options left, who would have to pass through waivers which he probably wouldn't, given the fact that he still has a decent arm. Decisions, decisions.

Nationals likely to wait for a center fielder - Nationals Journal
This is probably the smart move to make. In an interim basis, Jayson Werth could feasibly play CF, or maybe the tandem of Mike Cameron and Roger Bernadina could. Mike Morse is going to be in left, unless Adam LaRoche completely bombs, moving him to first. Regardless, most of the outfield positioning really depends on two things - the Spring Training of Bryce Harper, and Adam LaRoche's recovery.

Why Adam LaRoche will be the first baseman - The Nats Blog
Short answer: He's due $8M. Now, I know the Nats were smart enough to avoid this folly with Cristian Guzman two years ago, but there was a talented young capable rookie in Ian Desmond ready and able to fill the position. Not quite so much with LaRoche. Chris Marrero is hurt and Morse could feasibly play first, but then there's a hole in the outfield. A bigger one if Bryce Harper isn't ready. So aside from the financial obligation, it's going to take some serious injuries and/or poor production to keep LaRoche out of the position.

Little kid takes Drew Storen deep - Nats NQ
Granted it wasn't a 96 mph fastball, but it's definitely amusing to watch this video clip, and probably a huge rush for the kids involved.

PHILLIES

Why has the WAR leader over the last two years not been extended? - Beerleaguer
Shane Victorino has contributed almost ten full wins above replacement over the last two years, narrowly edging past Chase Utley. 2012 is his walk year, so the question is why haven't there been any reports about possibly extending their best player? For starters, the Phillies are kind of tied up financially a little bit, and with the recent re-signing of Jimmy Rollins, and the also necessity to secure Cole Hamels, their plate is kind of full as it is already. Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens with Victorino, especially if he goes walk-year crazy statistically.

Can Joe Blanton bounce back? - Phillies Nation
Regardless of his condition, Joe Blanton is owed $8M in 2012. So the question is, can he prove healthy, reclaim his starting job, and then possibly become a useful trade chip, or are the Phillies going to have to eat $8M?

The Case for Gaby Sanchez - Fish Stripes
Aside from the fact that the Marlins missed out on a play to get Albert Pujols, I wasn't aware that there was ever a case against Gaby Sanchez. The thought of that alone is pretty preposterous, because when not comparing him to Albert Pujols, Gaby Sanchez is an excellent player, still under team control for several more years, and is solid as a rock. I get the whole statistical analysis of his age, how "he's peaked," and what he looks like compared to the Pujolses and Cabreras, but to consider him league-average is pretty absurd. Compare Sanchez to like Lyle Overbay, and figure that.

Wow, they went this long? - Sun Sentinel
Apparently, all this time, the Marlins (the Marlins!) didn't actually have someone who spoke any Spanish working in their minor league player development department. Former Rays bullpen coach, Bobby Ramos is going to change that role. I'd imagine such a luxury would kind of be important:

While he was in the Astros’ organization, he taught Melvin Mora how to use a washing machine. He even had to instruct others how to operate hot and cold water faucets.

The hindsight game, starring Cameron Maybin - Fish Stripes
Currently, the Padres are engaging in extension talks with CF Cameron Maybin, the guy sent to the Padres for relievers. Maybin has done well for himself out in San Diego, while the Marlins unsuccessfully tried to convert Chris Coghlin into a CF (told you so). Should this be something that could be filed under the regrets folder? I doubt it - Maybin felt shunned by the Marlins and responded accordingly; if he didn't get moved, he probably wouldn't have produced for the Fish as he did with the Padres.

New Marlins stadium to be aquatic themed - MLB
Who could possibly have seen this coming? Why they're at it, to make it feel more like Miami, they should deliberately not put enough parking in their garages (so 10 spaces instead of 12), and have them be metered, so that you have no idea how much time to allot yourself, so when the game goes into extra innings, everyone's cars are either booted or towed.

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You would think the Nats would keep Lannon just to pitch against us.

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 31, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

However, the purpose of the climb is to raise awareness of the underage human sex trafficking in India, which is a rampant problem

Laudable cause, but isn’t there a better, non-dangerous way of raising awareness?

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Dec 31, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

You know the thing is

Whether he does it or not, he’s already gotten the purpose of the idea made more aware by it becoming a controversy to the team. So there are certainly safer ways to create more awareness, but probably to not this magnitude. The WSJ was just one of several notable outlets that ran this story; if it weren’t dangerous and got the Mets all complainy, it wouldn’t have been as awareness raising.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 31, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But doesnt that mean that he’s already gotten a fair amount of attention and can abort? Sure, itll be a bigger story if he actually goes through with it, but maybe sacrificing a little more attention is worth it at this point.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Dec 31, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point

There’s really no winner. R.A. pulls out, and then the Mets, MLB, America, look like evil monsters with an agenda to get PR, who don’t follow through with commitments. R.A. stays in, and then the Mets worry about their investment, and worse yet, R.A. might get hurt, and tank his financial and employment security by voiding.

The only way there’s a winner is if Dickey stays, climbs successfully, wins over the hearts of everyone noticing, and then comes back to the states in great physical condition and healthy.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 1, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's the Mets

So I don’t think I’ll be betting that he comes back healthy : ). Their luck isn’t that good.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Jan 1, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta disagree about Sanchez being 'excellent'

I think he has more value than he’s giving him credit for, but he’s got a league-average bat with above-average defense. He’s 28, I just don’t see him getting a whole lot better. He is solid though, but they probably would be better off with Morrison there. If they can land a decent starter for Sanchez I think they’ll pull the trigger.

by Undocorkscrew on Dec 31, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Gaby Sanchez has had wRC+ of 111 and 113 the last two years. That’s decidedly better than league average.

by YakuzaFro on Jan 1, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe excellent was a little inflated

But I don’t think for one second that he’s just league average. Declaring that he’s peaked at 28 is unfair for a guy who hasn’t been around that long, and sure he’s got history and stats saying it’s all downhill from there, but I still like to believe that a true peak is the age range between like 27-32, give or take. Considering he’s still under team control, and putting up ~3.0 WAR seasons, the Marlins could be way, way worse.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 1, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hate the Marlins

I hate the Marlins with way more passion than any sports fan is supposed to hate a club. I’ve been to that joke of a stadium countless times and I just hate everything about the organization. It all started with the broadcast crew. I don’t know their names, but for years I was stuck watching FSN when they played the Braves. Most announcers are bit homer-ish, I get that. These guys infuriate me though. I’m usually a calm guy, especially when it comes to baseball. I love the game to death, but there’s something about the Marlins that ruin it for me. I couldn’t even enjoy them eliminating the Mets on the last day of the season two years straight, that’s how much I hate that team. During the Braves collapse, the only time I showed genuine frustration was when Infante hit that walk-off shot. Hearing those announcers react as if they just won game 7 of the WS literally made me sick to my stomach.

Infante, Bell, and Stanton. Those are the only three guys I wouldn’t punch in the face if given the chance. I know f*ck all about Gio Gonzalez, but I’d smack the shit out of him just for wearing that god awful uniform and having shitty control.

Anyway, go Braves and such……

by Undocorkscrew on Dec 31, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions  

hahahaha

I dont think Ive ever pulled a quote from a TCer for my sig before, but this might just change my mind:

I know f*ck all about Gio Gonzalez, but I’d smack the shit out of him just for wearing that god awful uniform and having shitty control.

"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson

by Doghnut on Dec 31, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

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