NL East Getting Crowded, Expensive
There was a time when the Braves were the only perennial spenders in the National League East. Then the Mets jumped in, and in the last six or seven years the Phillies have made spending more money than every other National League team a priority. Sure, the Marlins spent big money one or two times, but they seemed to immediately regret it, and sank back to the low payroll depths with the Nationals.
But times they are a-changin.'
The Nats proved they're serious last year by signing Jayson Werth to a contract worth as much money as they pay the rest of the team. This year they've been linked to many of the big-name free agents, and I expect they will add another marquee player or two.
The Phillies aren't slowing their spending, dropping $12.5 million a year on closer Jonathan Papelbon, in the opening salvo of the free agent season. They're probably not done, they never are.
And now we have a new entrant into the spend-a-lot NL East, the Miami Marlins. The newly renamed team will move into it's new stadium next year, and they seem to have a new outlook on how to build a team. They just signed a new closer, Heath Bell, for three years at $9 million per, and by all accounts they have also made an offer somewhere in the neighborhood of $90 million and six years to shortstop Jose Reyes. Miami is also said to be interested in free agents Mark Buehrle, C.J. Wilson, and Albert Pujols.
ALBERT PUJOLS!
It's apparently true, the Marlins are serious about signing some really big named players, and now we know they're serious because they dropped a niner on a fat closer. Clearly they've been saving up their money, not spending it on logo design, and now intend to be a much more competitive team in the NL East -- at least as far as payroll is concerned. (Which begs the question, why didn't they sign Dan Uggla with all this excess money when they had the chance.)
The only team in the NL East not likely to make any big moves is the Mets, oh, and the Braves, probably. The Mets don't seem to have any direction, though they should probably begin a rebuilding strategy. And then the Braves?
It's been an off-season of mixed signals. "All the coaches are returning." "Larry Parrish is being let go."
Rumors from every corner of the baseball world about Martin Prado and Jair Jurrjens, then "we're not shopping either player."
"Pastornicky is not ready." "Pastornicky is ready."
I can't keep up with how often the "party line" from the Atlanta front office has changed. But that's what they're supposed to do, I guess; not show their hand to other teams. What we seem to think that we know about what the front office might be doing is that they are clearing money for something; some kind of bat, we presume. They seem to think they need more than a healthy Martin Prado in left field, and they're going to try and make that happen.
ESPN suggested Carlos Beltran as a possibility the other day, seeing him as a good fit for a year or two. But do the Braves really want to get older and less reliable? Beltran is someone who has played fewer games the last three years than Chipper Jones. That said, he could make a real difference in the Braves lineup -- Bourn, Beltran, Chipper -- it's almost too intriguing not to say it.
But there is the challenge the Braves face this off-season: keeping up with the other teams in the ever-expanding NL East Arms Race. Next week the Winter Meetings should be rife with rumors of trades and free agents. Will this off-season turn into a competition between teams in the NL East trying to one-up each other; like some sort of five-way Yankees-Red Sox making-it-rain rivalry?
It's going to be interesting to watch, and to see if the Braves can keep up with the rest of the spenders. Of course, the Braves are set at more positions than any other team in the NL East. They could start the season with the team they have right now and probably be very competitive. To me, though, that's even more of a reason for Atlanta to add another big player. Yes, they are competitive right now, but as a fan I want them to be more competitive and have more ways to win.
Frank Wren, go get us one more awesome player, and show the rest of the NL East how it's done!
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This is why
I want balanced schedules once the Astros move to the AL.
It won’t happen, though, because Bud Selig hates my face.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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He’s doing it to spite you, personally.
Bud Selig: trying to hate Duwanis to death since 1987.
by Ivan the Great on Dec 2, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
He's actually been trying since 1984
it just took him a few years to rise to power.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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How could anyone hate your face Duwanis
You have a veritable Teddy Roosevelt thing going on there…. :-)
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
And yet somebody tried to shoot Teddy Roosevelt
Q.E.D.
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My concerns exactly!
I am really worried about the lack of movement, minus Lowe of course. We still need bench and LF help. Not to mention a CF prospect. The Marlins aren’t a bad team and are only a few pieces away from being potentially dangerous.
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Dec 2, 2011 11:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
well, maybe they can finally beat up on the phils a little bit
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
This team
Has no $$$…. I don’t see any big moves this winter… That said, do they really need to?
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Dec 2, 2011 12:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seth Smith and Moustakas for JJ and Martin
Has anyone heard anything regarding Moustakis from KC. Over a month ago I read something that KC wanted to trade young prospects for the right rotation guy. Moustakis was mentioned in that article. His power potential looks real good. His primary position is 3rd base (long term Chipper replacement?) but he also plays some of. Seth smith and Moustakis for JJ and Martin straight up looks REAL GOOD to me. No matter what happens JJ is gone after this year, Boras is his agent, enough said. I really don’t think Martin is happy with his current role, even less if he is “demoted” to the superutility role I’ve seen suggested here a bunch. Seth is filthy against righties which creates some perfect platoons with Matty and Hinske. The best trades they say are when everybody wins. This looks like a perfect win-win to me. I like both jj and Martin a lot and I wish them both well.The Boras situation is what it is and we definately didn’t help Martin by moving him to left.
Are they ready to compete this year though?
do they really want JJ now when they aren’t sure to hold onto him in their good years to come?
They've shown interest...
They have indicated interest in JJ and the news is that they are still in discussion. Sherholtz won’t deal with Boras, maybe they will have better luck. They seem to be ok with Smith, it was another, a couple of other cf prospects we wanted that they took off the table…The Moustakas quote I read a while ago is what has me thinking?
Schuerholz
…is the correct spelling. He’s also no longer the GM, so his personal negotiating with an agent is moot.
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
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Now you just need to make a fanshot with this and you’ll complete the TC triple crown…
by Ivan the Great on Dec 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
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In other breaking news, team anchor and noted world-beater Diory Hernandez is departing from the Atlanta organization to pursue a lucrative offer tendered to him by the exalted Houston baseball franchise.
Fun fact: Diory has an OPS of .455 in his career. His career wRC+ is 6. Six.
by Ivan the Great on Dec 2, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Love the watchmen reference
And I have to admit, Beltran in left batting second sounds really nice…
Bourn followed by two phenomenal veteran switch hitters
Very quickly that’s got to be one of the biggest 1st inning pain in the asses for any pitcher in the NL..Especially considering that its followed by Uggla® and McCann (L) – whichever is tougher for the starting pitcher.
Basically if Born gets on base, the pitcher has to face three strait guys batting across the plate from his pitches. And when those guys are Beltran, Chipper and McCann/Uggla – I have a lot of faith we can at least get Bourn home. Shit, a stolen base and two ground outs from Beltran and Chipper and we’re on the board..
Don’t forget our huge acquisition, early this off-season, of an open spot in the rotation.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
The AL East Comparison is becoming more and more appropriate, I just hope to go we don’t end up like the Blue Jays…The Phillies playing the role of the Yankees, the Marlins the Red Sox (if they really are gonna spend all this money), and the Nats being the Rays.
It would suck to be a very good teams consistently win 84-87 games and never make the playoffs, bc our division is stacked…obviously a lot needs to happen in Was and Mia for this doomsday scenario to play out…and its always comforting to know the Mets will probably be more like the Orioles than the Red Sox.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I'd hate to over analogize
it is definitely moving towards the AL east in some ways, but I dont think there will be anything close to a 1-1 comparison.
I agree with Braves 24 though, if a comparison had to be made, the Rays are tempting because of their scouting ability and pitching depth. Do we have a bigger budget than they do though? I know we would never compare to the red sox or yankees in that regard.
The mets make it interesting, they may spend like the red sox (comparing philly to NYY) but they don’t seem to spend well. This really throws off the comparison, because there isn’t a team like that in the AL E.
I think the key is to keep the marlins out of the playoffs this year so that they can’t keep ramping up. We want them to do well, bring a crowd, make the division fun, but if we can keep them from ramping up, that owuld be nice
The Mets Idea of a Rebuilding Year...
…apparently consists of moving the fences closer to home plate.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
by carpengui on Dec 2, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The signals out of the Braves front office are so amazingly contradictory and confusing that everyone has to be pretty much baffled about what FW may actually be trying to accomplish. Maybe this is an intentional strategy.
He’s crazy like a fox and possesses the quickness and tenacity of a mongoose.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
He's an exotic petting zoo.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
thats why i tend to
Try and think from the ground up instead of basing thoughts off his statements.
That’s how I was able to predict the Bourn acquisition from the get go.
He picks the best guy available, and all the other stuff is fluff so that he can get that guy, misdirect other teams, and get a good deal.
I think we should consider a Fredi Gonzalez cardboard cut-out Major League style down the stretch next year. However, clothing gets removed when you lose in this scenario, now that’s motivation.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
OT:
Why is it that modern baseball films never seem to show the WS?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Because you want the big game to be against your rival
preferably a team that you lost to (embarrassingly) earlier in the movie. That means that it can’t be (or couldn’t, anyway, until recently) a team from the other league, so you have to make “winning the pennant” seem like the ultimate prize.
Unless you’re talking about Moneyball, in which case they didn’t do that because they were trying to be realistic.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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So what you’re saying is that the Texas Rangers are poised for silver screen success?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
thats a good point
I wonder if a new baseball movie structure could come from the inner league play and your line of reasoning..
Dubious
Maybe after the new interleague play comes up where it happens all year long, instead of for a few series in the summer. You still want to build up that rivalry factor.
You can have a pennant race, but you can’t have a world series race.
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www.duwanis.com
Classic. I would like to respond with a screenshot of “April’s” fun bags but I foresee problems, so I’ll just have to settle and say:
“Theres one image in my life that consistently makes me happy, no matter when I think about it, and that image, that one image is your big tits.”
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

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