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Braves Interested In Ronny Cedeno

At this point in the off-season we're reduced to speculating on who will be the Atlanta Braves utility infielder. Exciting! Here is the latest from David O'Brien on the Braves interest in Ronny Cedeno:

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I suppose he would be an okay option, so long as he is purely a backup and not a starting option. Exciting stuff this off-season, eh?

My concern with someone like Cedeno is that he's accustomed to being a starter, and it's hard to predict how he would react moving to a backup role. His lack of a patient approach could completely evaporate if he's only getting three or four at-bats a week. This is what we saw with Jack Wilson last year after he was acquired at the end of August. It seems that every option the Braves are considering for utility guy would have this same concern, as none of them are players with an on-base first mindset.

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Meh

Anyone else feel like we’re just gonna scrap the bottom of the barrel for back-ups unless we get WOWED with a trade offer for JJ / Prado.

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Dec 15, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone else feel like we've still got a great team even if the above is true?

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

my only concerns about this team are the injuries

this was a top 4 team in baseball last season for most of the year. I wouldn’t have a problem starting the season with this bunch, but at the same time, I would love to have Carlos Beltran or another big bat, and another legit bullpen arm, bc we know Fredi isn’t afraid to go to the pen in the 5th inning.

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 15, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

No team is perfect.

We’re returning the same team from last year, minus players.

We didn’t even make the playoffs.

I understand that there were many factors contributing to this, but injuries, slumps, etc. are all possible this season, too.

Thus, we needed to upgrade at a few key positions, and we haven’t. It’s impossible to upgrade without adding something, unless you’re banking on everyone having a career year, Pastornicky being a ROY candidate, etc.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 15, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Note that I didn't say "perfect," I said "great"

and “needed” is strong. I’d say that we can upgrade at a few key positions.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine.

You may feel comfortable with our situation at SS, but I don’t.

Thus, in your opinion, you don’t feel we can improve over Pastornicky at SS.

I disagree.

Hopefully, you’re correct, since we’re obviously throwing him out there, sink or swim.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 15, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

obviously

No way anything else happens. Absolutely zero chance.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 15, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hold up here

There’s a lot of antagonism towards stuff I never said.

We can obviously improve over Pastornicky, but that doesn’t mean we need to, which is all I’m saying.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

"Great" is pushing it.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

“Great” teams make the playoffs.

This is the same team as last year.

This team didn’t make the playoffs.

Thus, this team is not “great” and needs to improve.

While some are banking on rebound/career years from certain players and, finally, limited injuries, I’m not so sure we couldn’t use an additional bat, and, more importantly, a proven SS.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 15, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not the same team. Most players are on the right side of 30 and can be expected to improve. Also, Lowe, Sea Bass, Linebrink, and the nefarious Proctor are gone. Filling those spots are players that are likely to be more talented overall.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a very good team though, when healthy.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying...

We’re awful.

I’m also not saying we’re definitely out of the playoff hunt, for we clearly have talent at many positions.

It’s merely frustrating seeing other teams try to improve, while we sit around doing nothing.

I’m impatient; I know. We’ll add a few pieces, I’m certain, and, as mentioned by cthabeerman, there may be an addition-by-subtraction situation with Lowe, Proctor, AGon, etc. leaving. Plus, we’ll have a full year of Bourn.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 15, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

How, exactly?

We’ve got pitching coming out of our ears, and missed the playoffs by one game despite all of the injuries, abnormally bad years from starting players, the unbelievable meltdown in September, and the fact that CF was a black hole for us until the deadline.

If your definition of “great” is “making the playoffs,” then I don’t see why this team doesn’t qualify.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No, my definition of "great" is "great".

I’d say you need to win around 100 games to be considered great.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Dec 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

OK.

Then yeah, by that lofty definition I’m off.

The whole point, though, was that we’ve already gotten better by virtue of having Bourn for another year and getting rid of Lowe/Proctor/Linebrink. Even if we have the same injury problems and offensive struggles this year, those improvements alone are worth a few games, which would’ve gotten us into the playoffs.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Normally, I wouldn't reply.

But you like to play the semantic/word-construction game often, so now I will, too. In fact, you played this game above by honing in on my word “perfect.”

All “great” teams make the playoffs. This is a true statement. (Well, I suppose I cannot scientifically prove this statement, so it may not literally be"true.") The 2010 Braves didn’t make the playoffs, so they were not “great.”

However, I never said that all teams that make the playoffs are “great.”

Say there are ten people, five males and five females, and I tell you all “Davids” are male, would this mean that all the males are named David? No. It’s possible for some of the males to have other names. Thus, all Davids can be male without all males being named David.

I know you know this. In fact, I’m currently reading a book from a blog you recommended: You Are Not So Smart by David McRaney. It is an excellent read, but I digress.

Thus, the Braves squeaking into the playoffs, would not make them a “great” team. As mentioned below, “great” teams win close to 100 games or, at a minimum, win their own division. We’re not quite there yet, but we’re close, which is why I’m so darn frustrated.

Why did I type this? To prove that even you occasionally misread a comment or two ;-)

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 15, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even know what we're arguing about.

So instead of parsing semantics and trying to nail down an admittedly vague and relative definition of “great,” I’m going to take the time to expound on my original comment:

I think we’re a good team that’s in a good position. We were close to the playoffs last year and barely missed due to a long list of circumstances and shortcomings that we shouldn’t expect to be repeated, and the moves we made during the year last year and just as the postseason started have put us in a position to be even better.

I would love for us to improve, but I’m OK if we don’t. It’s going to be hard, because there’s not a lot we can do to improve – which says a lot about how good our team already is, but it’s also a reflection of the way the market is this year. There hasn’t been a single rumor that we’ve been linked to so far this year that I think would improve our team on the whole for 2012. Not one. I understand, given the way the year ended, the desire that a lot of people (not you, necessarily) have that we go do something in an attempt to somehow “fix” the team so that it doesn’t break down like that, but the truth is that we can’t just go out and do that. So I’m glad that we haven’t done anything so far, because so far everything that it’s been reported we have our hands in has been kind of crappy, but still FW resisted – which means he’s not in a “do something because we have to do something mode.”

And the offseason isn’t over. I would love it if we could go out and sign a Rollins or a Beltran, but we don’t have the money. I would love it if we could somehow find a guy who can play LF and be an improvement over Prado (as much as I love Prado), but I don’t think anyone that fits that description is available. I would love it if we could sign a guy to a 1-year contract to play SS for us better than we expect Pastornicky to, but the shortstop market is so hot that there’s no way we can get that guy. I would love it if we could somehow use our surplus of pitching to grab an impact bat that other teams didn’t realize was on the market like we did with Uggla last year, but so far nobody seems to be buying.

As an aside from all this, like I’ve stated in other threads, I don’t think Wren has suddenly turned into the kind of GM to sit on his thumbs while the rest of the league gets stuff done. I think he’s trying to find some way to improve the team and is coming up short – if I had to guess, he’s as upset about the Lowrie deal as some of us are (but not as upset as Krash, because I don’t think that’s humanly possible). Sometimes that’s just how the market works out – in hindsight maybe we should’ve made a move way back in October, but at the time Wren was trying to work another angle. Who knows. If everything could work out perfectly for every team, the offseason wouldn’t be terribly interesting.

So, because of all of the above – the fact that we’re already improved as a team compared to last year, the fact that we don’t have a whole lot of obvious ways to improve anyway, the fact that nobody seems to be willing to partner with us in a good trade, and the fact that I don’t see any reason to lose faith in Frank – I would be ok with the end result if nothing else happened with us for the rest of the offseason. That doesn’t mean I think that we’re totally set or don’t have room for improvement, it doesn’t mean that I think we’re going to win 100 games, and it doesn’t mean that I think we’re guaranteed a playoff spot. It means that based on what I’ve seen so far, we’re doing what we can to put the best team possible on the field, which is all I can ask for as a fan. It’s still going to be a fun year and we’re still, in all likelihood, going to be potential spoilers in the NL East with a good shot at the playoffs.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You had me at “expand on my original comment”

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Dec 15, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

wait do I rec this?!

I…. must….. rec…. all….. duwanis… posts………..

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 16, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And, to be fair

I wasn’t word-smithing with “perfect” – the implication you seemed to be making was that I thought we couldn’t do anything to improve the team, which I don’t.

Same with the “great” definition – while what you post above is logically sound, the way you wrote it out in your OP strongly implied that “great == getting to the playoffs,” not that “getting to the playoffs is a side effect of being great.”

But this is the problem with ambiguous language, and is why I’ve bothered to clarify – I’m just trying to make sure my point gets across.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great teams win 100 games

That may be true… but last season, the 102-game-winning Phillies watched the World Series on television, just like the rest of us. With the modern playoff setup, the objective is to have a good-enough team, which by definition is a team that makes the playoffs — everything that happens after that is largely luck. You’d have a hard time arguing that last year’s Cardinals were a historically great team, but they were a good-enough team.

So will the 2012 Braves be a good-enough team? Hard to say at this point. I think we’ll have a better rotation with whoever replaces Lowe. We start the year with Bourn in CF instead of McLouth, and Matt Diaz should be a much better option PH than Matt Young was. Kris Medlen and J.J. Hoover replace Scott Proctor and Scott Linebrink in the pen. And we have better options for emergency call-ups: Myke Jones instead of Jordan Schafer, Andrelton Simmons instead of Brandon Hicks. We probably won’t contend with Philly for the division (although the Phils haven’t improved a lot, for all the money they’ve spent), but St. Louis will be without Pujols, and Florida, Pittsburgh, and Cincinnati still have a ways to go.

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 18, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

as a former Thrashers fan, it does seem very familiar talking about all these less than stellar players

Don’t go dumpster diving Wren!

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Drew Sutton seems like a better option that Ronny Cedeno. At least Sutton has shown the ability to walk and he also hit over .300 between AAA and the majors.

by FourScore199 on Dec 15, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

this.

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

that

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

This and That.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin

by DolphinNation on Dec 15, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

and the other thing.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

and some of these.

by swainzy on Dec 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't normally post but...

anybody else see that Yahoo believes he’s already on the team?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8488

Are you a figment of my imagination, or am I a figment of yours?

by Br8vesfan on Dec 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, we signed him to a minor league deal a week or two ago.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, must’ve missed that.

Are you a figment of my imagination, or am I a figment of yours?

by Br8vesfan on Dec 15, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about Sutton

I mean, what does Ronny Cedeno do well? He’s a really bad hitter. He’s below average defensively. His value is in the same neighborhood as Yuniesky Betancourt.

Drew Sutton has received VERY few opportunities considering how well he’s hit in the minors. That is, he killed AA in 2008, in 2009 he was really good in AAA. In 2010, he was still a well above average in his time at AAA for two different teams. In limited last year, he was an above average hitter at both AAA and the major league level (with an unrealistically high BABIP).

I don’t think there’s any reason we couldn’t hope for him to do something like .275/.330/.420 out of him. I don’t know what his defense is like, but it would have to be really bad if he can’t come out ahead with that kin of batting line at shortstop.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Dec 15, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This

At the plate, Cedeno is AGon without the power.

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

If we’re going to sign an all glove, no stick MI, why not resign Jack Wilson, who I think is a better fielder than Cedeno?

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Dec 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Agree completely, I want no part of Cedeno.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

In full uniform, holding his bat.

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Dec 15, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

….after Thanksgiving dinner.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin

by DolphinNation on Dec 15, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

…..and clutching on to his “Precious”

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

now that's just funny.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Just throw Lemke out there. He’d do it for free.

by skinnere on Dec 15, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Lemke

How is he doing these days? Did he ever fully recover from his concussion?

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Just don’t have him run into Heyward then like McLouth did.

by Broccoman on Dec 16, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. Not a fan.

The Pirates are not going to trade Andrew McCutchen - please stop suggesting this.

by Pavy848 on Dec 15, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Plus, Wilson is kinda familiar with the team…

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 15, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

But only because I always type “Rodney” instead of “Ronny” and then end up having to go back and type it again. I don’t need that kind of frustration…

by YakuzaFro on Dec 15, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Rodney Cedeno

gets no respect, no respect I tell ya….

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Take my shortstop

Please!

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 18, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

trade rumors

keep Prado. No utility player they can trade for has what he offers. I am sure he can back up ss if need be. JJ and another picther is where they will make it with trade market

by mayman59 on Dec 15, 2011 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I'd rather have myself playing shortstop than Cedeno

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 15, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Stand Pat

That’s my take for the most part. Use Prado as the rangers use Michael Young, as a super sub. Everyone gets rest and ABs. Go to a 6 man rotation with the same thing in mind……………..rest and keeping away from the dreaded DL. If somone gets hurt, just slip back into the 5 man rotation. With the 6 man rotation the rookies won’t get over used which seems to be the greatest concern when they come up.

by ghstrdr on Dec 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Nobody is ballsy enough to go with a six-man, even if it makes sense.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The Japanese called and would like to have a word with you.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

But they’re all only half sized people, so it’s like having a 3 man rotation. /racism

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

smh... what am I going to do w/ you...

I will just hope the ninja army doesn’t descend upon your house leaving it full of tattered sheets and broken windows…

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Japan also has a 28-man roster (you can only dress 25 for each game though) I believe.

by Broccoman on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

this hurts my heart and my head...

I just have to keep telling myself… In Frank Wren I trust… In Frank Wren I trust… I don’t get this approach and I don’t get the targets and I just don’t get what’s going on right now… If we are going to do anything (and my stance all along, other than trading for Lowrie… breath, breath) it needs to be significant and not some piddly hunk-a-scrapheap junk pickup… (sorry to those professional baseball players who I am refering to because I know you work hard to do what you do, I just don’t want you on my TV in a Braves uni)

I am on the stay put bandwagon from here on out. Let’s just go into ST with what we have and let the backups present themselves… If a trade pops up for something decent, go for it… Otherwise, screw it. Let’s play some baseball… I might just have to go into baseball hibernation to keep from going crazy… I still see spots when I think of the Lowrie trade.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

stand pat

agree, have said same in past. 6 starters makes all the since especially for hudson and hanson. need to save venters and sit and rest mcmann and chipper at least 1-2 days per 10 to keep them healthy. if we have to get a ss call miami.

by mayman59 on Dec 15, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

My brain just broke trying to figure out where to start.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ummm...

moving on… as I too was lost at stand pat.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

McMann

I love it!

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

this is FW’s way of getting Jack Wilson to sign quicker…

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

Or maybe...

Frank’s having a special pen/bat set made of balsa wood so that Jack can lift both.

by TomahawkGuy on Dec 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Disappointed

I guess Wren can still make cake out of dogshit, but at this point it seems like he has waited too long.

"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first

by bighop on Dec 15, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I don't see much to see here.

Cedeno is about the same as Wilson and the other back up SS options. None of them can hit worth crap or they would start. As for Sutton, I haven’t heard anything, but I would guess if he could play decent defense at SS, and his numbers are as good as has been stated in this thread, someone would have tried him as a starter at some point.

by cavebird on Dec 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Looking at Sutton's numbers...

…I see that he has played on 66 minor league games at SS and mostly played 2B. Just from that, I would guess that his arm is fringy, if nothing else.

by cavebird on Dec 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Pitching Staff

Starters
Hudson
Jurrgens
Hanson
Beachy
Minor
Delgado

Relief
Medlen (Long)
Viscaino
Martinez
O’Flaherty
Venters
Kimbrell

by ghstrdr on Dec 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Why exactly did we need this posted here?

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

yay!!!! someone knows our staff...

even if spell check isn’t his/her friend

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure Meds will appreciate the compliment though.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

so why didnt we offer arb to agon?

by Resentment on Dec 15, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

My guess is that he’s rather start than be a back-up

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Dec 15, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

tell him hes a back up, offer arb, profit

by Resentment on Dec 15, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t have accepted a one year deal and the money would have been too much.

by ghstrdr on Dec 15, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

if he wouldnt accept a 1 yr deal then we would have a draft pick

by Resentment on Dec 15, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

But he did accept a 1 year deal

Lead off walks usually lead to runs, unless they don't. -Joe Simpson

If you don't like the way the Atlanta Braves are playing, then you don't like baseball. -Chuck Tanner

by Chapel420 on Dec 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

$4.25m with a reachable vesting option for 2013.

"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)

by carpengui on Dec 15, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost a guaranteed vesting option.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He likely would have gotten more in Arb than we were willing to pay.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

that’s the thing: he would have made around 3 mil

that doesn’t seem like too high of an amount, and we definitely could have traded him if he did accept.

wren has mismanaged the arb system a few times now

by Resentment on Dec 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

$3mil is too high if you don’t want him as the starter.

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

but then you trade him. mil signed him to a similar deal, and it’s clear the MI market has been high this year

by Resentment on Dec 15, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

being a GM: so easy a caveman can do it

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 15, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, but if it came to an Arb hearing, that’s kinda late in the process to do a trade — mid-February. If you’re gonna do a sign-n-trade, then it would have to be done… well,… by now, really. Not sure that was going to happen.

Now I do think that we could have offered the arbitration and see him decline it… the SS market was such that he received a better deal, and probably knew that would be the case. But that’s always a risk, and I guess the Braves figured that the risk wasn’t worth a possible draft pick.

"Sir Stealth, Stay stealth.. Your a moron" (jrod1142), 12/15/11 (the epic FWren Fortitude FanPost)

by carpengui on Dec 15, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Was I the only one

That thought of ronny paulino…..?

the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.

by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET

by Bizarros on Dec 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

rec'd

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

So we sign him

and put him in the bullpen. INSTANT ACE.

I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

PROFIT!

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot the ?????

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin

by DolphinNation on Dec 15, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Green

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Dec 15, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

/slow hand claps

Yeah, if we sign him over Jack Wilson, I’d be surprised.

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Dec 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

At least

next years off season will be exciting.

Who is LeBron, and where is Miami?

by Kineticist on Dec 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Breaking News!!

The Mets just landed a front-of-the-rotation starting pitcher. Per MLBTR, ahem, Chuck James is said to be signing with them.

LOLMutts.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin

by DolphinNation on Dec 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

he was pretty good last year.

in AAA

As a reliever.

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Dec 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Chuck James?

Wasn’t he the host of “Card Sharks”?

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Braves Interested In Ronny Cedeno any warm bodies that might be left to pick off the scrap heap.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

by adc62 on Dec 15, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

Can we just trade for HanRam already. The infant and Dunn got us Ugly so Eric O and Prado can get us HanRam and if Fredi still has a problem with that fire him and bring in Leo

Baseball is my life

by That a boy on Dec 15, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

what?

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

rec’d for hilarity/insane Leo mention.

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Dec 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey! That's MY angle!

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." -George F. Will

by J-Freak on Dec 15, 2011 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Leo?

Mazzone??

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Dec 15, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

DiCaprio

He’s a good actor… i’m sure he can do it.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, this guy:

If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02

by king of games on Dec 15, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Leo

Da Vinci? He’s been dead a while, but maybe he can paint a positive picture on the Braves back-up SS role…

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Dec 15, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell?

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin

by DolphinNation on Dec 15, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

.

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 15, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks....

I just laughed hysterically at that in an otherwise quiet office.

"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall

by jwrocks on Dec 15, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

you know it's been a quiet offseason...

when ronny cedeno and jack wilson are dominating the threads.

Enough of this… is it april yet?

by Stephen M on Dec 15, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

sign

corlos beltran & jimmy rollins trade jj for another outfielder and pospects

by grneyedbndt44 on Dec 15, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

corlos lol

It’s only the most common name in the world South America

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 16, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Who is Carlos Lol?

Never heard of him. I’ve heard of Lol Creme, but his fastball isn’t so good.

"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt

by Cornutt on Dec 18, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

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