How Bad Was Dan Uggla's Defense In His 1st Season With The Braves?
Before the season, I wrote a series of articles (here, here, and here) on Dan Uggla's notoriously poor defense and how it might translate to Turner Field. At the time, there was some hope that maybe he might not be as bad as the numbers (or scouting reports) implied, with the most common source of hope being that his UZR at home was far worse than his UZR on the road.
To sum up those posts, I found no persuasive evidence in support of that theory. I even went so far as to create my own defensive metric (Defensive Outs Per Year, or DOPY) to see if Dolphins Stadium had hurt the fielding of other 2nd basemen. My research found that over Uggla's 5 seasons in Florida, there was no noticeable negative fielding effect on 2nd basemen. However, I did find some fairly credible evidence that Turner Field was an advantageous park for both the Braves' 2nd basemen and their opponents'.
My final conclusion was that Uggla's "true talent" on defense was likely to be in the range of -6 runs per year. Add in the negative effects of aging, and you might expect it to be a few runs worse. So how did Uggla do in 2011, by the numbers?
Well, we can't say for sure with just 1 year of data, but the short answer is: probably just as bad as he did in Florida, and maybe a bit worse. The long answer awaits after the jump.
The Big 3 Advanced Metrics
Let's start by looking at what the advanced defensive metrics said about Uggla in 2011, compared to previous years. The graph below shows Uggla's Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR, found on FanGraphs), Total Zone (TZ, found on Baseball-Reference), and Defensive Runs Saved (DRS, found on either site).
Keep in mind that 1-year samples are inadequate for this sort of thing. This is just to give some context:
Overall, the year-to-year numbers show about the same as the previous two years. His DRS went up a couple runs, but his UZR and TZ both went down. The average of the three stats was -10 in 2009, -9 in 2010, and -11 in 2011.
Okay, but you really need 3 years' worth of a defensive metric to make a solid judgment. That means we can't really say much about how good Uggla was or wasn't in 2011, but we can get a sense of how fast his defense is declining (if it is at all). This graph shows a simple 3-year running average for each stat:
The trend is clear. Before this past season, Uggla's 3-year average indicated that he was around a -6 run player on defense, as all 3 metrics clustered around that number. Now, though, the most recent 3-year average indicates that he is around a -10 run player. Of course, the nature of these averages is that they lag behind actual changes in a player's skill level. Really, it'd be more accurate to say that Uggla was a -10 run player sometime around 2010. His true talent may be different now (and it's not likely to be better).
I like how all 3 metrics cluster together, with UZR and DRS (the more advanced stats) generally rating Uggla a couple runs above TZ (which is comparatively simple). If you trust any of these metrics at all, you'd have to say that Uggla's defense is around 10 runs--or 1 win--worse than an average 2nd baseman.
DOPY
Now let's talk about the metric I created, DOPY. In short, DOPY looks at the number of outs made relative to the average number of balls hit in the fielder's range. It pro-rates to a standard of 480 ground ball chances (80%) and 120 line drives or pop-ups (20%).
Because I don't have the data to break this down by individual player, DOPY uses the results for an entire team's 2nd basemen. This isn't a problem for analyzing Uggla, though, since he's an extraordinarily durable player. Uggla represented 96% of the Braves' defensive innings at 2nd base in 2011.
For a thorough explanation of how DOPY is calculated, read the notes at the bottom of this post.
Now to the results. Here are the DOPY values for the 2nd basemen on Uggla's teams. Remember, this is measured in OUTS, not runs, so you can't directly compare the numbers to UZR, DRS, or TZ.
- 2006 Marlins: +5 outs
- 2007 Marlins: -30 outs
- 2008 Marlins: -7 outs
- 2009 Marlins: -26 outs
- 2010 Marlins: -18 outs
- 2011 Braves: -20 outs
These trends certainly fit with the figures from the other metrics, which said that he was average to start his career, had a terrible year in 2007, bounced back in 2008, but then has dropped back down to awful levels the past 3 years.
Based on this data, I feel comfortable stating that Uggla makes about 20 fewer outs per season than an average 2nd baseman would. The rolling averages confirm this; the most recent 3-year period has him at -22 outs/year.
Notice that Uggla's DOPY did not change much from his last couple years in Florida. If Dolphins Stadium was killing his fielding ability, it doesn't show up in those overall DOPY numbers.
By the way, Uggla's home DOPY (-5 outs) was notably better than his road DOPY (-15 outs). This lends some credence to the idea that Turner Field really does help fielders. In addition, the DOPY of the Braves' opponents showed a similar split: -2 outs in their park, +5 outs at the Ted. Given that these trends have continued now for the 6th straight year, I'm starting to gain confidence in this defensive park effect.*
* For fun, I also ran the numbers for the 2011 Marlins 2nd basemen (mostly former Brave Omar Infante). They came in at +10 outs in Dolphins Stadium and +3 outs on the road. That's the 2nd straight year the Marlins' 2nd-baggers have rated higher at home. The Marlins' opponents also did better at home, +17 outs, than on the road, +5 outs. If there was ever a negative park effect for 2nd basemen at Dolphins Stadium, it certainly hasn't existed for the past couple years.
Unfortunately, Uggla only plays half his games at Turner Field, so there's a limit to how much it can help him. In fact, all it seems to have done in 2011 is mask a decline. If he had posted the same numbers at home as he did on the road, his DOPY would have been -30, tying his 2007 low point. We'll know more in a couple seasons, but right now I'd guess that Turner Field did help Uggla slightly, but that his skills also eroded slightly.
Conclusion
You may choose to believe, like a lot of fans I've heard, that Uggla's defense wasn't as bad as expected last year. The data is certainly not strong enough to deny such a possibility. No matter what you are basing your evaluation on, however, I think you'd be hard-pressed to say that Uggla was anything but bad defensively in his first Braves season. The debate is only over how bad.
I'd say he was about 10 runs or 20 outs worse than average, but there's a lot of room for error in those figures. What do you guys think? Let me know in the comments.
Looking toward the future, I don't see any reason to hope for improvement. He's getting older, and while I expect that he'll try to make adjustments to cope with aging, he'll only be treading water at best. Even if he's continues to get a 10-out boost from Turner Field, he'll still be well below average. And if he gets noticeably worse, he will be borderline unplayable at 2nd base long before the end of his contract.
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Still having a tough time differentiating between calling someone a bad fielder...
and saying they have bad range. The 2 seem exclusive to me when discussing performance. Aptitude is another matter…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Dec 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That is one hell of a title on a day that sprung the BIG news about the Braves being interested in Cedeno.
What’s next….Bourn breaks his leg? Heyward enters a Monestary? Beachy enters Law School? Teheran becomes fishing boat deck hand?
How about some good freaking news!
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
In other news, the Braves aren't the Mets
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
is a Monestary where they print money as a religion? Or is it where the ladies creme is made?!?
In good news, Krash has gone crazy and jumped off the deep end.
Jacob, you’re one of the finest writers I’ve read in a while and you make reading about stats interesting, fun and relevant. You sir, are the man!
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Now I see it
Monastery
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
bahahahahaha
everyone was in the grammar nazi mood so I figured I’d pick on you a bit. :-) you’re welcome.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
rec'ing this is a reflex at this point...
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 16, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Re: "Krash has gone crazy and jumped off the deep end."
I knew the Lowrie trade was going to push you over the edge.
I'll be ok... one day...
Maybe I should just be a houston fan… they Schafer and now Lowrie… geez.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Turnabout's fair play
Houston…city names are usually capitalized
hahahahaha
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
touche!
I can’t put the chka over the e so bite me.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Krash.
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by Jacob Peterson on Dec 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Miss you on here dude...
You should go check in on NCChopper’s post. If you already have and I missed it, I’m a bad person but we’d like to know what’s up w/ you.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I thought throughout the season he had a very good natural ability to turn double plays
But, oh, that range was bad.
by another simpsons avatar on Dec 15, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions
anyone have the photo from last season...
Showing Uggla’s forearm as big around as Jack Wilson’ waist?
I think the reason people say his defense wasn't as bad as expected...
…is that other than Alex Gonzalez (who was constantly praised as being very good), our infield defense as a whole was poor, so Uggla’s didn’t stand out.
Perhaps!
I tend to think that it was mostly because his hitting was so bad in the first half that his defensive shortcomings seemed less important.
Though I think it’s very possible, too, that his fielding was actually OK for the first couple months and then degraded back to its previous levels (or worse) thereafter.
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by Jacob Peterson on Dec 15, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
We get a choice with Mr. Uggla...
Either he hits his brains out… or he fields like a 2B should… He can’t field servicably and hit his brains out… just not possible…
Have you ever seen Bruce Wayne and Batman in the same room!?
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Also...
This is just a hunch, most people only eyeball players when saying they’re good/bad defensively. While this is an obvious statement, it can explain why many don’t feel he’s that bad in the field.
Uggla hustles on every play. He dives. He gets dirty. Thus, since he obviously expends maximum effort and tries his best on every play, we forgive him. Some players loaf around the field at times. Thus, while the loafers may actually be better players defensively, casual fans view them as poor defenders or, at a minimum, are more frustrated with them than the Ugglas out there.
What’s the moral of the story? I don’t know. I guess I understand and agree with you: Uggla’s a bad to terrible fielder. I simply don’t care, for I like how he plays.
GATA!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH Did you really invoke the EYE TEST....
/ducksandcovers from the onslaught…..
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 16, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bottom line:
First half of season, Dan Uggla’s defense mattered. Second half of season, Dan Uggla’s defense mattered not a single bit. I personally do not care if he is a -18 runs/-30 outs fielder throughout the remainder of his Braves contract. We missed the playoffs by one game and had so many opportunites in 1 run games in the first half of the season. If we can get anything close to the second half Uggla. I’m good with it.
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by I Saw Buzz Beaned on Dec 15, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions
Bottom line:
In order to determine how good a player is, a player must be judged on what he does during every game he plays.
by Thrashy Thrashy on Dec 15, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Remember last year
When we got into the big debate over his home/away UZR splits, and people thought he’d be good on defense out of Florida? And continued to insist on it even after the creator of UZR had responded to an e-mail about that specific point?
Yeah….
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Really?
I watched probably at least 140 games and never noticed him to be that bad. I guess sometimes when you are simply watching the games this can go unnoticed. Either way, he was brought there to be a big righty bat in the lineup. I’d take another year of his glove like it was last year (as long as he doesn’t become a raw dog between the ears)
"They've always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right," Jones said of the New York crowds
I think the issue is range.
When a fielder with poor range doesn’t get one, it looks like a solid hit.
Range is the single biggest part of a fielder's value (or lack thereof)
And the reason that traditional metrics like fielding percentage are so poor.
Uggla’s range was really bad. His glove was steady enough, true, but he didn’t get to use it as much as most other 2Bs because he just got to fewer balls. And yeah, his throwing arm is very erratic (which is why I’d never suggest a move to 3B for him).
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by Jacob Peterson on Dec 15, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Serious question.
What do you think the Braves will/should do with him down the line? If he’s this bad defensively, someone in the FO has to know this. Do we throw him out there everyday anyway?
Dumb question, but could we hide him in LF? (This question will likely bring ire from some people. I’m not advocating sticking him in the OF, but this organization had Klesko out there. Klesko.)
GATA!
I still think we need to put him in LF.
by drumzalicious on Dec 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm oddly in agreement with this....
..at least to the point of giving it the ol’ college try. With an above-average ranged CF in Bourn and an average at best rookie slated to play SS in 2012 at this point, Uggla poor defending can be compensated by the guy ranging next to him better in LF, theoretically. Of course Uggla may have zero ability to read fly balls and his arm is already questionable, but if it IS possible…then hell…Martin is a better 2B and would be better for Pastornicky to combo with that Uggla.
Then again, the FO probably has thought about this and they may either 1) be bent on trading Prado or 2) already know Uggla would be even more horrible in the OF than at second and dismissed it.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 17, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
ug isn't that bad but our infield as a whole will be...
stats be dam*ed ol’ UGGs was not near as terrible as his stats may suggest… The intensity the man plays 24/7 makes up for any lack of range. He gets so visibly disgusted at himself for his mistakes it makes it difficult for even the hardcore fans to hate him. Heck I had dreams of decapitating conrad for months after our last playoff meltdown, and who remembers how frustrating it was to watch Mr. Yunel who was a way better defender than UG will ever be. The infield as a whole right now is horrible right now…. our biggest assett right now is a sophmore first baseman that can dig. A 3rd baseman that is a long shot to make it through the season. LETs pray Tbomb takes to 3rd base like a duck in water cuz chip aint making it past the all star break lol
People like you humor me, always so doom and gloom when it comes to chipper. So what if he misses some games. He was still the most productive overall hitter in the lineup this season. J-Terd take 3rd from chipper? Not a chance.
In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.
by HeywardFTW! on Dec 15, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there is no taking it from a hall of famer…. J-terd and prado forced to play when chipper’s surgically repaired body gives out. most productive how???… most homeruns, most rbi’s, highest avg? he is a clutch hitter still capable of putting up a high OBP. But if you lap surgery magically fixes 30 years of hard labor on his legs you arent very realistic. Bet Andrews probably already has chipper an OR reserved for the alstar break lol Chipper should not be trying to play 9 innings in the field… especially not on a daily basis.
Over the course of the entire season he was the Braves most productive hitter. Talking chop chose him for offensive MVP for that reason. Secondly he was top 3 in every category for NL 3B granted the field was weak this year but chip still hangs with the best in the game on a consistent basis.
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by HeywardFTW! on Dec 15, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The reports on Pastronicky's defense are very good.
So hopefully he’ll be the defensive anchor. Of course, the reports on Freeman’s defense were very good, too, and that hasn’t turned out well so far.
There’s reason to hope that Freeman will improve and be at least average at 1B, too. He’s obviously very young and 1st base is a position where technical improvements can help a lot.
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by Jacob Peterson on Dec 15, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did those Freeman reports mention range?
because that’s where his D is weak, and probably the only place it’s weak.
Of course, that limited range, next to the limited range of Uggla, isn’t good.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
See above in re how important range is
although I imagine that’s somewhat less true for a 1B.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Agreed, but that doesn't mean the reports
on Freeman’s good D coming up said something about his range.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I would hope they did
but only because if they don’t, I’d have to take any other defensive reports out of the minors with a huge grain of salt.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Freeman defense?
yet again there must be a stat that I don’t know how to read but I thought Freeman and Alex Gonzalez were outstanding in the field. The kid can dig and damn near do a split reaching for a ball.
"They've always provided me incentive to try to make left turns at first base instead of right," Jones said of the New York crowds
Digging isn't everything
Freeman doesn’t have good range, which he can’t really cover his sector of the infield well. Balls got past him into the outfield more often than they should have.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
we were really spoiled the previous years
Tex was great and Kotchman was even better.
by drumzalicious on Dec 17, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
UZR gives Freeman no credit for his best attribute:
picking bad/ wayward throws and having superior footwork and instincts around the bag. His height and young age almost demand the range improve in the coming years.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 17, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Grammer fail...
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
Spelling fail. :P
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I was hoping someone would catch that!
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
I started to read this, and then just stopped.
1) why is this even a post? His defense was actually pretty good if you actually watched the games. How many times did he pull a Brooks Conrad? How many plays did he absolutely botch? Do we look upon Uggla and think, “wow, his defense really was a glaring weakness.” No, we don’t.
2) Is braves news that hard to come by? Talk about SS: is pastronicky the guy? How bad was sea bass? How good as sea
Bass d? Who are our targets? Talk about Heywards sophomore slump (as the OBP crowd reins down upons me). Talk about how the staff will shape up. But in reality, we didn’t bring Uggla here to be a GG defender or some whimsical ozzie smith with his glove, so why even have this article? Sorry, but it just annoys me to see this when obviously there are both more important and positive things to focus on than “UGGLA’S DEFENSE”. /endrant.
by murph35 on Dec 16, 2011 12:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
1) why is this even a post? His defense was actually pretty good if you actually watched the games. How many times did he pull a Brooks Conrad? How many plays did he absolutely botch?
How many balls went through the hole that a 2B with even average range would have easily made the play on?
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
I think you're on the wrong site...
This is probably more up your alley.
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/
Yes, this deserves an ironic rec
For missing the point on so many freaking levels.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
OGT'd for these 11 words:
Is braves news that hard to come by? Talk about SS
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Yes, that's exactly what this place needs
more SS discussion. We haven’t had enough of it.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
or enough cow bell...
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
Mr. murph35 (sorry for the assumption you're a dude... but only a dude can think w/ so few brain cells)
Jacob Peterson puts more thought into one sentence than you put into a whole years worth of posts. I don’t need to defend his timing or decision to backup a series of posts he wrote earlier this year. There is alot of lazy journalism on this site and it gets it’s due desserts but to question the effort/subject matter in a post by Jacob… You don’t deserve to have access to read this site. You should be ashamed of yourself for a post with so little intellegence injected into it…
I am sure you’ve said things in other threads that made sense or even had a positive contribution but the next time you even think about dissecting an article from Jacob, just log off your computer, take the shotgun out from your truck rack, shoot a hole in your CPU and then just go back hunting (carrying on the redneck theme from another thread, you’re welcome used correctly). It’s safer for you in the woods than trying to project your thoughts into the blogosphere…
Thank you for your attention in these matters and best of luck in your used correctly future endeavors.
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Murph.....
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Don't Hassle the Krash.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I watched Uggla bust his ass and hustle day in and day out. He worked hard, and while he may not have hit well, he never let it get him down and didnt seem to let it affect him with the glove. I would rather a guy bust his ass to get to a ball and maybe he doesn’t make the play, than have a guy give up on a play before he knows whether or not he makes it. I too was concerned his defense was going to be a huge liability when the trade went down. Personally I think a lot of the stats and metrics are getting overblown and the uzr this and fWar that are taking the fun out of just watching the game. I didnt even know those things existed until I started coming to this blog. I have seen Uggla make some fantastic plays and I have seen him blow some, plays that is. I think he plays hard and has great work ethic, for that I respect him and am glad he is a Brave.
"I Farted" - Me, everday
Here's the trick though
You’ve seen Uggla make some fantastic plays… that an average second baseman would’ve handled without half of the effort.
But I totally agree, I love the guy’s hustle, and he’s fun to watch even if he isn’t ultimately great at his position.
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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
As long as he still snuggles well, I’m okay.
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gotta watch those forearms though... they can cut off circulation w/o meaning to....
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by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 16, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Uggla doesn't have forearms...
…he has eightarms.
Gosh, you really don’t need advanced metrics to see that Uggla wasn’t very good defensively, just look at boring old fielding percentage. MLB.com has 18 qualifiers at 2nd base in 2011 (both leagues combined). Uggla’s fielding percentage was .980, good for 17th place. Only Rickie Weeks was worse at .969. Weeks also had 15 errors (same as Uggla) but in 268 fewer total chances. So as bad as Uggla was, we can take comfort in the fact that Weeks was worse. Kinda like public education in Georgia – least there’s always Mississippi.

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