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McCann's Extension

I've been looking at the payroll, upcoming increases and what's coming off, and it got me wondering something I assume all of you are: What will Mac's extension look like? (of course, this is under the common assumption that Brian will be an Atlanta Brave for his entire career, or atleast a good portion of it)

Currently, Mac is entering the final year of his 6 year, $26.8M deal. He is scheduled to earn $8.5M but incentives have kicked that up to $11.5M. The Braves hold an option for 2013 at $12M. While it is wildly assumed he would resign with the Braves if an extension isn't agreed upon, it would be best to not allow it to get to that point.

What's coming off

The highest salaried player on the team was DLowe (still 4th highest at $10M) which will be completely come off the books next year

Huddy has a year left at $9 and a club option for the same. Depending on his performance, maybe more importantly his health, there's a chance his option could be picked up. If he has a down year, for whatever reason, and some of the young guns impress, a $1M buyout could be the most likely scenario. I expect the option will be picked up and Huddy hangs them up after 2013

Chipper is alittle more complicated. He'll earn $14M this season with his deferred signing bonus. If we get what is expected of Chip this year, it's a club option for 2013 at only $7. This option becomes guaranteed at $9 with 123 games this season or an avg. of 127 games between 2011-12. (he'll need to play 2 more games than last season)

Also, the option (in this case would be $9) will increase by $1M each for 128, 133,138,140 games in 2012, or 2 year averages which would be about the same with his 126 in 2011. So if Chip manages 133 games this season his option for 2013 will be at $12M (with the signing bonus) At that rate, which would also mean an increase of games played, I think Chip plays in 2013. If it's at $7, this time meaning a decrease in games, I say he reties.

I also expect this to be Bourn's last season clearing about $7 after this year and atleast one of JJ/Prado to be moved.

Increasing Salaries

2012 - Moylan and Bourn Arb 3 - Prado, EOF and JJ Arb 2

Moylan getting or not getting tendered won't make a huge difference financially. The big questions here are if JJ and Prado will be Braves much longer.

2013 - Prado, EOF, JJ Arb3 - Hanson, Medlen, Venters and Heyward Arb 1

I think FW and Co. will imitate the offers to Mac and Frenchy around this time of their careers to Heyward and FF. I expect Venters to be tendered as long as he has an attached left arm. Other than buying out Hanson's Arb years, I would hope we don't do anything long term with him because of the shoulder.

Others- With the going rate for closers we better lock up Kimbrel for a while (not because threat of him leaving but to save money) Maybe with a good year, we'll try playing TB front office and locking up JT for a while.

I don't foresee anything comparable to Mauer's contract, but in the end Mac is going to require the largest contract on the team. My thinking is, since each have an option for next year, when Chipper does retire, his salary will basically be given to Mac, maybe alittle more. My projection is that his option will be picked up next offseason but he'll sign a 6 year $90M with a club option and plenty of incentives. Probably around $12M for the first 2 years and $18M at the end.

What do you guys think?

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cc: TheLetter2

In all seriousness, I’d probably rather wait with McCann. It’s scary giving catchers extensions and we’re already locked in with Uggla’s iffy deal. Not that Mac is going to decline rapidly, but there are just so many variables and injury risks with catchers.

by Scott Coleman on Dec 13, 2011 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think McCann will spend his entire career at Catcher. This depends a lot on Betancourt’s development, but it makes a lot of sense to take one of our most productive hitters out of the most physically demanding positon in the game.

Whle McCann might not love the idea,he is way beyond using an position rare in offensive production to increase his value, and the idea of getting maybe 3-5 more years of playing time at a high level must be appealing, and he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to let his pride get in the way.

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by GumpBrave on Dec 13, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

where would he move, 1B is occupied? 3B? LF?

by Broccoman on Dec 13, 2011 3:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Come on man, McCann can’t play no 3B. He would likely move to 1B, see that is where your idea of Freeman to LF comes in to play. If we still have Freeman and he would be fine with moving to LF, then it would likely work out pretty good. I’m fine with Freeman moving for a player like McCann.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 13, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Will McCann’s bat make up for the defense lost from FF leaving 1B? I think infield defense takes a huge hit without FF at 1B. How many times did FF save a error by handling a poor throw?

by Bedhead514 on Dec 13, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And if you're sacrificing D...

why reduce it at two spots, when you can just lose it at one by sticking McCann in LF?

Although for the record, I don’t see him ever playing anywhere except behind the plate. He may see reduced action, ala Varitek or some older catchers, where he starts getting 2, and then 3 days off a week as say Bethancourt takes a larger role. But I don’t see him playing anywhere else on the diamond.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

We’re going to pay him $10-$15MM a year to be a part time catcher? That doesn’t sound like the Braves.

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Dec 13, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

When he becomes part time

we probably will be paying him closer to the 10 mark.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I would never like to sign a Catcher into their mid 30’s, but Braves FO may feel the need in doing this. If so, then I figure eventually he will see reduced time behind the plate, and if his bat is still very good, he will need to be in the starting lineup somewhere. At like Fatvirus said, we aren’t paying him big money being a part time Catcher or only see 350 AB’s a year. I’m sorry, but LF would be awful for McCann. Have you seen this guy run? No offense, but he would be as bad or worse than freaking Adam Dunn was as a LF. I believe Freeman could handle it a lot more. Personally, I wouldn’t want to move Freeman from 1B or Mac from Catcher. Hopefully Braves make a wise decision on the contract, and if the years gets out of hand, hate to say it but I would just walk away and thank Mac for all of his contributions and just let him leave after 2013. Braves FO is one of the best in the game, I think they will think it through to make sure we aren’t stuck with a awful situation.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Not ALL catchers break down...

Yadi Molina, Jorge Posada(not last yr) have been doing their thing for a good while it seems, and there have been plenty of catchers In the past who’ve played well later in their careers. Personally I think Mac is a natural catcher an will be just fine in his 30s. Face of the Braves.

by PhillyBrave on Dec 13, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

uh huh

I’m talking about potentially breaking down at the 34-37 year range(could be 34, could be 37, could be in between, who knows). Yadier Molina is only 29 years old right now, so not sure why you brought him into this discussion. Never once did I say Mac would break down right at 30 years old, sheesh. And I believe that once Yadier gets about 34, he won’t be near as valuable as he is now, and him and Mac are totally different players. Molina behind the plate is great, Mac offense is more superior. Not saying Molina can’t hit, cause he can hit very nicely, just not like Mac. And, Mac’s defense is solid, but not like Molina. So, I really don’t know why you brought up Yadier Molina into this, but whatev.

You are right about Posada and others. Not saying it is guaranteed that Mac breaks down, but as the position of Catcher, you always have to watch out. Just because Posada and others didn’t break down, doesn’t mean that Mac won’t. When Mac gets his next contract, whether it is given by the Braves or whoever, that team needs to be careful. You don’t give Mac a 10 year deal just because some catchers didn’t break down. If you are a team like the Braves, you have to be smart and really think things through. If Braves don’t talk contract with Mac until after the 2013 season(would be his last year, since it is an option year which will be picked up, unless braves extend him of course) then honestly most years I give him guaranteed is 5, and then a vesting option for a 6th year with a certain number of starts he makes behind the plate in that 5th year. I don’t know if he would even accept that, but no way I go more, just too much risk to offer more guaranteed years.

Even that would be pushing it, but Braves could hope that if Mac does break down, it would be towards the very very end of the contract. Again, I like Mac, but as a business you have to think there is a good chance he does in fact break down in his 34-37 year range. Ignoring this because others haven’t is shortsighted and can get an organization in big trouble.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 13, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And McCann is younger than Molina...

he’ll be just 28 when the season starts, 29 when his current contract ends. So a 5 yr extension puts him at 34 or 35 when it’s done, and a more team friendly extension can be agreed on when he hits those mid-late 30s and assumes more of a backup role.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. And if he would agree to 5 or 6 years averaging $16m starting 2013 or 2014, then it’s likely a great deal for both sides. If he wants $18m AAV, then I start waffling.

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by carpengui on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly at the end of the 2013 season if the Braves give him 5 guaranteed years with a vesting option(depending on the number of starts at catcher he makes in his 5th year) for a 6th year, then I’m honestly fine with the guaranteed years being at $18-20 million per year, and the vesting option to be about $10 million. I don’t think he would break down during the guaranteed part and if he does, not likely much contract left that would be wasted.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, I know that McCann is younger than Molina, but the person I was replying to was acting like molina was old or something, there is no reason mentioning yadier molina with jorge posada. One is 40, the other is 29, but whatever. And I never one said that McCann would break down at 29 or 30. Never actually said when exactly he would, but there is a great chance he will at 34-37. I know that is the age that many break down, but that seems to hit catchers, and don’t want one broken down, when they are valuable to a team.

Yes, I would do a 5 year deal and a vesting option for a 6th year for McCann, depending how much catching he does in the 5th year. I think that would be great for the Braves and McCann, but he could get way bigger offers from AL teams that have the idea to DH the guy when he breaks down. I wouldn’t go 6 guaranteed years, sorry but I think that would be crazy for the Braves if they give him 6 guaranteed years after the 2013 season ends.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 13, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t mean to offend u or even respond to you personally. I don’t post often and I don’t look up stats and all that so sorry for the Yadi comp. just seemed to me like he’s been around longer so I was wrong there. My point was just that Mac is extremely valuable and with the “immaturity” issues I read about Betanchort, I think maybe overpaying a year or 2 for Mac would be alright even if/when he declines (hoping later than sooner), Chip is still on the books with a hefty salary into his 40s or something. Basically I just think he’s worth the risk. Again I didn’t mean to direct that at u personally, so apologies if you felt that way.

by PhillyBrave on Dec 13, 2011 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I didn’t take it personal or nothing, so don’t worry. I get what you are saying. I mean it just depends on the deal for me though. I just personally wouldn’t want to give him 7 guaranteed years after end of 2013 season, you really are asking for problems if you do this. Braves are in a tough situation, Mac is a hometown guy, fans love him, and rightfully so. It’s one of those situations where Braves may feel forced to give him more years than they want.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 14, 2011 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

this doesnt sound like a good idea to me

We would have a catcher playing first and a first baseman playing left. That would be a receive for disaster. I think if Mac has to move to first we would have to let wither him or Freeman go. I don’t see it working any other way. Its not practical to move multiple players to different positions to accommodate an ageing catcher even if he is a fan favorite.

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by JonnyBravesFan on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, it isn’t the best idea or anything, but what if Mac is owed another 2 guaranteed years at $15+ million per year, he just can’t play much Catcher, and you can’t unload him to another team and he shows he can handle 1B? I mean if he is still hitting the ball very good, and Freeman is a .300+ AVG, 25-35 homer a year guy, .375+ OBP hitter, you really gonna wanna deal that? I mean LF and 1B are the 2 positions that you don’t need stud defenders, more of need is to hit good more than defense. Obviously you don’t want an Adam Dunn in LF, but I don’t think Freeman would be. It’s not ideal at all to move Freeman from 1B and Mac from Catcher, but if you give Mac a lot of years, then it is possible that he could break down and you are forced to do things. Obviously that is a long way down the road.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Dec 14, 2011 5:47 AM EST up reply actions  

We gotta pay the man. I say give him no more then 4 years though.

by Broccoman on Dec 13, 2011 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

TL2 will be mighty disappointed in the content of this post

so misleading

DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT

by leedawg on Dec 13, 2011 6:00 AM EST reply actions  

rec

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

TL2... I think I love youuuuu....

I am rolling on the floor over here… killin me.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok... please don't /banhammer me... but I'm going to throw something out there...

We need to let McCann go (or trade him) if he doesn’t sign a 3-4 year extension. I love the guy but we have nowhere to put him when he needs breaks and catchers just don’t hold up in today’s game. He will make the Yankees or Red Sox very happy for a very long time.

Yes he has an incredible offensive capability but unless we go to the AL, there is just no place for a broke down catcher to play for us… Freeman is our 1B until he proves he’s Jason Loney and there is no other place he can play… as much as I wish he could play SS or CF… it’s just not going to happen.

I do not want to sign him to a Mauer contract when there is no way to protect our investment in him. There will be options we can sign or Bethancourt will be ready but them… we hope.

As nice as it would be, we just can’t keep everyone and I’d rather keep our pitching than our catcher…

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 13, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure if this is a joke…

Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.

by GumpBrave on Dec 13, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see a problem with a 5 year extension. That would put him under contract til he’s 34. I’m thinking 13-15M a year is reasonable for both sides. We are not like the Twins that can save Mauer as a DH.

by dlkinser86 on Dec 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Krash is right!

Send McCann to San Francisco!

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by TheLetter2 on Dec 13, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don’t see the need to bring Jason Loney into this. He’s just an innocent bystander…

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by J-Freak on Dec 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm a moron. Thanks.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 15, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok... please don't /banhammer me... but I'm going to throw something out there...

We need to let McCann go (or trade him) if he doesn’t sign a 3-4 year extension. I love the guy but we have nowhere to put him when he needs breaks and catchers just don’t hold up in today’s game. He will make the Yankees or Red Sox very happy for a very long time.

Yes he has an incredible offensive capability but unless we go to the AL, there is just no place for a broke down catcher to play for us… Freeman is our 1B until he proves he’s Jason Loney and there is no other place he can play… as much as I wish he could play SS or CF… it’s just not going to happen.

I do not want to sign him to a Mauer contract when there is no way to protect our investment in him. There will be options we can sign or Bethancourt will be ready but them… we hope.

As nice as it would be, we just can’t keep everyone and I’d rather keep our pitching than our catcher…

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

Your second post...

clinched it for me…if you hadn’t repeated yourself I was not going to agree… :-)

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by jwrocks on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

dang w/ me and my double posting today... internet at work is all jacked up...

and gumpbrave… you should know me well enough to know when i’m joking and when i’m not… I honestly do not want to give an 8 year contract to anyone… but definitely not a catcher… I love McCann… I do. but if he demands a 6-8 yr extension, we need to politely tell him no. As a GM, I would not do it… as a Braves baseball fan, I would miss him… but I think i’d understand.

In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST

by Klemson Krash on Dec 13, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish contracts worked different

Why aren’t all contracts dependent on games played?

Say we guarantee 5 mil a year
But then 7 mil more every year he is on the active roster for 130 games
Then 3 million more if makes 125 starts OR hits 300/350 w 20+ HR OR wins Silver Slugger
1m bonus for 30 HR
500k bonus for 100 RBI

then say every year he does it, vests a contract for the next two seasons
If he misses two seasons the FO can call a renegotiation
If he hits 300/350 w 30 HR and 100 RBI for two seasons, he can call a renegotiation or leave as a FA or take an automatic 2m bonus for the next two seasons.

And the approach should be that he wants to stay in atlanta as long as he is getting paid fairly, which is a little less than he would get from the angels yankees or red sox, but is the biggest contract on the team with the most longterm potential

by willlinn on Dec 13, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

then its fair

no one is trying to screw someone out of the time they should pay or get paid for a contract – it comes with how long you are actually productive, and if you are healthy you get paid, and productive you get paid what you deserve

by willlinn on Dec 13, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Because teams couldn’t be trusted to not abuse that system.

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by king of games on Dec 13, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Why aren’t all contracts dependent on games played?

Because this isn’t candy land, or whatever weed induced fantasy world you got going right now.

Why don’t we give him that deal? Because he’d laugh, and go get better from someone else who actually would guarantee the $12-15m+ he’s worth.

This is a business, for him as well as for the Braves. Why in candyland, everything works out with what everyone deserves, but this is the real world. And contracts are obligatory agreements where both sides have to want to agree with the other, on terms acceptable to them. Kind of like when someone was trying to say all NBA players should be on non-guaranteed deals, that way they play harder and teams don’t get stuck with a Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, etc. Well, yeah, sounds great in theory, but in the real world you have to get the other side to agree to it, instead of laughing at you for being high.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think i should even respond to this

but I’ll at least say that, all I’m throwing out is a possible solution to the primary problem with big contracts. Someone gets injured or someones production falls off a cliff.. I am not saying he has to be awesome to get paid well.. I said he would get 15 mil a year for starting 125 games (or finding a way to hit 20 HR in less games etc.).

Bottom line, if he can’t play, he shouldn’t get paid as though he is a superstar contributor.

Obviously though, the only way someone would do this is if they were actually offered extra money for not taking a longer guaranteed contract.

I am saying, contracts can be creative, the approach can change, and its due—the system isn’t working.

by willlinn on Dec 14, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

System seems to be working pretty well for all involved...

and it’s a “possible solution” in theory only. In reality, it’s unfeasible for countless reasons to the point of being outrageous fantasy.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2011 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing about the system that isn't working

is that contracts are inflated due to the absence of a salary cap, which puts way too much player-buying power in the control of big market teams.

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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 14, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

So we'll offer maybe $16.5M a year if he's an absolute superstar

when the closest comparable player is earning $23M a year.

Yep, it’s fair alright.

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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 13, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

See Jones, Chipper

McCann might be willing to take a little less for a better team around him, since it’s not like he’ll be struggling on that meager $16.5m.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

See "maybe ... if he's an absolute superstar"

If we guarantee him 16.5, yeah, I think he’s got a good chance of accepting it.

If we say “We’ll give you 5 million a year and you might get another 11.5 if you’re totally awesome…” yeah.

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by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST

by duwanis on Dec 13, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Because players are generally going to opt for the most guaranteed money, making this pointless.

Assume that you aren’t tampering with the market and disallowing guaranteed money.

You offer a deal with $500K guaranteed, but incentives up to $20 mil a season.

Someone else offers a deal with $3 mil guaranteed. Unless your incentives are like, “Showed up at the ballpark on time,” people are generally going to opt for the guaranteed cash. Of course, if we wanted to, we could create a matrix of hypothetical incentives, probabilities of a given player reaching them, and so on, to find out where the break-even points are for incentives versus guaranteed compensation. However, given that teams are already free to hand out both types of deals and the only guys getting incentive-laden contracts are generally high-risk has-beens, it looks like this particular problem has already been solved.

tl;dr — only way to make incentive-based deals work is to prevent guaranteed money deals, which would cause the MLBPA to flip out and murder everyone.

by Ivan the Great on Dec 13, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a HUGE "hometown" discount

Sorry, I know you put a lot of time an effort into this post, but your proposal is pretty insulting. In what world would ANY agent, let alone the MLBPA, allow a player to sign a contract that pays him half of what his closest comparable is making? I agree that Heap will likely give the Braves a discount, but that should still put his average annual salary in the 18 to 20 million range over the life of the contract. If he hits free agency, it will be well above that and for more years than 6. Whether we like it or not the Mauer contract WILL have a significant impact on Heap’s next deal.

And for the record, as much as I would love to see him pull a Chipper (lifetime Brave) I am secretly hoping he hits free agency and signs for as much as he can. Nobody in MLB deserves it more than Heap!

by scstrato on Dec 13, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

He can point to Mauer’s contract all he wants. It won’t work that way for a couple of reasons.

1. Minnesota is in the AL. They can give Mauer a break now and then without sitting him on the bench by putting him as a DH.

2. As the very year he signed that contract, he missed most of the season with knee issues, that stemmed from him being a catcher. Now, fortunately for the Twins, Mauer is athletic enough to play other positions and not have to become a full time DH. I don’t think McCann can play another position, besides maybe first base.

I’m thinking 5 years at 15M per with options for years 6 and 7 vesting with so many PA’s, and I think McCann would happily sign that deal.

by dlkinser86 on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

the mauer contract is absurd for a catcher

and that has only increased since the contract was signed. Maybe they felt the need to do it as he was an absolute star in that city, but he wouldn’t have turned down 8 years at 18 per. The Braves aren’t going to pay 20-23 a year and he’ll still be the highest paid C not named Mauer

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by JKowalek on Dec 13, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

5-6 yrs, 15-18mill a year

I think some of us are completely under valuing what McCann means to this team. He’s the face of the franchise behind Chipper and probably a bigger leader than Chip at this point. I’m sure he’ll take less to stay, and a 5-6 year deal is probably the best bet there since we’ll be paying less on the money side, but incentive based. With so much salary inflation at this point though, he’s a sure bet to get more than Chipper and 15-18mill per is right what he’s worth.

by murph35 on Dec 13, 2011 8:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe 5 years, with low-salary player options for years 6 and 7, and high-salary team options

5/75 with player options at 5mil and team options at 15mil sounds reasonable.

by Broccoman on Dec 14, 2011 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

it seems there is a general belief here that

like most catchers, Mac is going to wear down soon and have a major fall off. I’m not saying it is impossible, but I’m not sure whats causing this belief.

Games per year through first 6 full seasons
Mac – 137
Pudge – 132 (DH)
Posada – 142 (DH)
Yadier – 125
Bengi – 113 (DH)
Mauer – 133 (DH)
Ruiz – 118 (5 years)
Varitek – 124 (DH)
Pierzynski – 130 (5 DH years)
Martinez – 136 (DH/1B)
Hernandez – 127 (4 DH years)

Mac has been one of the healthiest and reliable C’s during his career and his shown effort to control his weight. He had a very hard workout regimen last offseason and i’m sure this will continue. Many will say this just means he has more miles on him because he has been so healthy, others will view this as a positive. My take, regardless of his health, he is the leader of this team and will be the face of the team when Chipper leaves. He needs to stay and will require a very large contract. His durability so far should only increase the necessity.

Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough

by JKowalek on Dec 14, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Posada was an everyday catcher until he was, what? 35? Pierzynski is still a everyday catcher at 34. Both of those guys have similar builds to Mac. Heap’s going to be 28 next year. I’d offer him 6 years/$80MM and be happy that we’ll have the best catcher in baseball for the foreseeable future.

You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida

by Fatvirus on Dec 15, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Braves would have a difficult time w/ that extension, being’s how he’s probably going to make $15MM on his 2013 option. He’s maxed out his salary bump due to his AS and Silver Slugger awards.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Dec 16, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Give him a choice 4/64, 5/75, 6/84 7/90 see if he takes any of those.

by Broccoman on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

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