Braun + For PED
by BravesMania on Dec 10, 2011 8:05 PM EST
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Man this is a big one,I remember wanting the Braves to trade for the guy because of his ability to do what he did this past year.Man he will be eaten up by the media for this,I just read it on www.mlbtraderumors.com.I wonder how they will spin this one,they just about crucified Bonds and Clemens,well Braun come off as a clean cut and good guy.I can't wait to hear from this one.Dude had a MVP year,I wonder if they will strip it from him,he will face a 50 game ban though I read in the clip.He doesn't seem to need that stuff,he's been putting up pretty good numbers without it for as I can tell,unless dude has been juicing for sometime now
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If that turns out to be true, I don’t know what happens. I thought most of the PED stuff was over but I guess there are still players who are taking them.
just stunned. Even if he unknowingly took it and makes a good case no one has ever won an appeal involving PEDs. This will be interesting.
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
maybe im alone on this
but if someone asked me to rank each active MLB on my thoughts of the likelihood of them taking PEDs (idk why anyone would ask me that) Braun would have been in my bottom 10 with guys like Chip and Jeter.
Also, he hasn’t been juicing for some time now. I saw a quote from Selig that he said a while ago that )paraphrasing here) the MLB testing is the best and it’s implement in the minors assures cleanness in the bigs and young stars from Ryan Howard to Ryan Braun have tested negative for years
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
Yeah, if the report we’re hearing is true, he must have started this year.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
even if he didn't use or intentionally use
his rep is taking a major hit regardless and its hard to see him getting out of the suspension. no one does
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
Or, you know, he was just able to beat the tests for years
Not saying he did or anything, but you have to acknowledge the possibility. I mean we all know a huge portion of the NFL is using PEDs, yet you rarely see people getting caught. There’s more money is the drugs than there is in the testing, and for that reason the drugs will generally be ahead of the testing.
The NFL is different as they don’t publicize a guy for his first failure, just his first suspension.
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
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by biggentleben on Dec 11, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
If true, what happens to his MVP?
Do they give it to Kemp (who should have won anyway) or do they just vacate it like Reggie Bush’s Heisman?
you posted this
literally as the Heisman was announced this year. Good stuff
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
MLB doesnt generally take away awards.
Ken Caminiti comes to mind.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
I don’t think MLB can take it away as they don’t give it away. I’m pretty sure the BBWAA does that. And they didn’t take away Bonds’ MVPs, so…
You'd think I was Travis Tritt struttin my FINE ASS on down to Florida
youre right about the writers
Forgot about that. I brought up camibiti bc he even admitted he used steroid during his 96 mvp season and i dont belive they took away the award.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
by Doghnut on Dec 11, 2011 7:37 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
For the record, I'm claiming it was some questionable potato chips
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Dec 10, 2011 8:58 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
No comment on Prince Fielder's possible involvement
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Dec 10, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I’m floored.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 10, 2011 10:17 PM EST reply actions
That definitely came out of no where. It’s a scary day for baseball when, just as everyone gets comfortable and able to forget about how steroids ravaged the game, the least likely candidate in baseball (or at least close in my mind) gets popped. I mean Manny and ARod weren’t really revelations, but this is absolutely shocking.
By the way, the city of Milwaukee is burning even as we speak. http://www.brewcrewball.com/2011/12/10/2626973/ryan-braun-reportedly-tests-positive-for-ped#comments
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
classic here from brewcrewball.com
why, did we re-sign Yuni?
by nullacct on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yuni tests positive for performance-minimizing drugs
Brewers forced to start him for 50 games
by dickie_thon on Dec 10, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
by JKowalek on Dec 10, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like they'll need a left fielder for the first 50 games of the year...
I hear Manny Ramirez is looking for a job.
Excepy that he’ll also be out for the first 50 games.
by swainzy on Dec 11, 2011 8:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is insane
is that only 200 or so a year in MLB get tested . There are several players that come to mind who should be checked every year . I honestly think that every player should be checked twice a year . Once randomly before and after the AS break . And then every player that makes the playoffs for their respective teams could be checked again during the playoffs . This would nail those who cheat , and would also silence the critics on the others who managed to put together a good or career years that weren’t tested that year .
I don’t know any specific arrangement, but the article specified that the test happened during the play-offs, so we know that there is at least a round of tests among play-off players, and given the much smaller test pool and the higher level of competitiveness in the play-offs that it might be comprehensive. But that seems too easy and thorough right?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Wrong
Every player on a teams 40 man roster is subject to 2 random tests every year. Now I have no idea how many actually get tested but I gotta think 200 is way low.
this is correct
Everyone on the 40 man is tested during Spring Training, and everyone gets tested at least one more time during the season, plus a limited number get randomly tested for a third time as well. The random tests can occur at any time and Braun got caught for his during the playoffs.
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
he tested positive for a higher level of testosterone
which could be harmless. but it could be very very difficult for him to ever get his image back.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 11, 2011 12:58 AM EST reply actions
For a positive test on MLB's testing policy:
The player must have a 4X higher level than the Upper limit of normal.
Since testosterone can’t be given orally, he would know he was taking a shot or using a cream. He also would need an extreme quantity of Androgel or an excessively strong compounded cream to get levels that high. In other words, he failed and there is no way he’ll get it overturned based on his lack of knowledge. I’m pretty sure Barry Bonds tried the same excuse.
idont think hes claiming lack of knowledge
From what ive read hes going the “the test was tainted” route. Supposedly his people claim a second test came back negative.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
by Doghnut on Dec 11, 2011 7:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Which is meaningless because the second test wasn't administered until days or weeks later
If he simply stopped taking the drugs as soon as he got tested initially (knowing that he might fail), he wouldn’t test positive once he found out for sure he failed and took the second test.
My understanding
Was that “second test” meant a retest of the same sample. But i may have read the story wrong.
"He knows where he's throwing. If he didn't, there'd be dead bodies strewn all over Idaho." - Washington Senators scout on Walter Johnson
by Doghnut on Dec 11, 2011 12:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah that's not my understanding
When they talked about it on SC last night, they mentioned the second test he’s talking about is irrelevant because it was taken once he found out about failing the first.
That is the case ....
The test would have been conducted on the same sample but by a different lab.
by bravesfaninchitown on Dec 11, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Where'd you see that?
They do two tests on the original sample (T/E and the isotope or something) to trigger the positive. That’s when he was informed and had his own test done. What I’ve seen indicates that was done on a new sample he provided, but I could be wrong.
Now it sounds like it may have been something else he tested positive for that wasn’t a PED but was banned. That’s from Braun’s camp. If that’s the case, then disregard everything I’ve said because I was obviously trusting ESPN’s reporting.
Many articles have specified that he got the test done again by “his own people,” I strongly doubt that MLB would juts give back the test sample and let him do whatever he wants with it. But I don’t know this for a certainty, just logical speculation.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
It is correct to say that the player must have a 4x more testosterone result than “normal”. However, I read that it is possible for men who are truly and completely clean to naturally achieve such results and even go up to 10x “normal”. The 4x is just a “we need to do an indepth examination of his 2nd sample” indication and nothing else. It’s when MLB does the indepth examination that they use chemical tests to look for unnatural testosterone – the PED.
Braun may yet be exonerated or he may be found to have used PEDs. We will see. But the current info is not a slam dunk “He did it for sure” kind of thing, more of a “looks suspicious and the odds are that he used PEDs but we’re not 100% sure yet” thing.
The carbon isotope test is about as slam dunk as it gets
Unless you think the sample was contaminated at some point, the only real possibility is that he took some sort of PED.
He also tested positive for synthetic testosterone
Good luck explaining that one away
Harmless ???
4X the normal level and tested positive for synthetic use – meaning not normally produced in the human body – outside source produced it – let’s get real – it is what it is !!
by bravesfaninchitown on Dec 11, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
And it wasn't just the 4x the normal level threshold.
Rumors indicate he had a higher level than has ever been recorded in a baseball administered test. A bit strange, really.
This is very shocking for sure
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Sad news if true
It’ll be interesting how Selig handles it since it happened to someone on his beloved Brewers.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
Totally shocking
This news really came out of left field.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Dec 11, 2011 10:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
This is why
You cannot let Prince near the potato chips – then all Ryan has to use roids to bulk up…
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
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He took a second test and
and it wasn’t positive. PED tests have a 5% chance of failure.
jenlada Jen Lada
From OTL: Source says Braun requested 2nd test. 2nd test not positive. Those close to RB believe difference will show 1st test was invalid.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Where are you getting the 5% false positive from?
And remember, he failed allegedly failed 2 different tests, not just a single one.
The second test is meaningless because the sample wasn’t collected at the same time. If was using, but then stopped once he got tested the first time, the second would come back negative regardless.
It’s not like cocaine, where it takes only 3 days to be gone from your system.
Certain drugs stay in your system for months on end.
I have no idea how long testosterone is in the system, but you would think that it would be longer than just a few days.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 11, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
mmmm....
i wonder… how do you know cocaine takes only 3 days…?
the exponent in the equation is a matter of preference and "fit" it can vary depending on what the user believes to yield the curve that best predicts a team’s ability to win games.
by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
Because I served on a Courts Martial where a guy was busted for cocaine.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 11, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
At least that’s what “cocaine knowledge excuse flashcard #71” says
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
by GumpBrave on Dec 11, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is relatively common knowledge.
Cocaine leaves the system quickly, marijuana (THC to be more specific) stays for a long time.
by cavebird on Dec 12, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he could claim that he knows the science behind it. Cocaine is water soluble whereas marijuana (thc) is fat soluble. What that comes down to is that cocaine leaves the system quite quickly (because water breaks it down and helps the disposal process) while marijuana requires the fat to be broken down, calling things like metabolism into play.
He probably just likes to tickle the white lady though.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Well he got tested while they were still playing and didn't find out until late October
So that’s at least 10 days right there. PEDs aren’t supposed to be too hard to get out of your system. That’s how so many athletes take them consistently but rarely test positive.
do you guys think that teams should be able to void contracts if players test positive for PEDs?
Yes or No?
by drumzalicious on Dec 11, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Then you'd just be waiting for the time that a team slips a guy something, then "randomly" tests him
In order to get out of an albatross deal.
“Hey, guess what, Vernon Wells is on all kinds of bad substances! We don’t owe him money anymore! No, we’re not laughing, we’re crying!”
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
only thing is teams don’t initiate such tests.
by drumzalicious on Dec 11, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I do.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 11, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
It all depends on the language of the contract.
I recall the Angels foolishly not voiding Gary Matthews, Jr.‘s contract several years back after he tested positive. Of course, they had just given him an idiotic contract, so I guess it wasn’t surprising.
Voiding was also discussed with Gaimbi, among others
although that may have been before the more recent CBA rules.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 12, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
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