Short Stop 2012
by willlinn on Dec 1, 2011 8:14 PM EST
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I just thought I'd set up a conversation about our SS situation. This isn't rosterbation (because all posts have to explain why they aren't rosterbation) because I am not talking about who we can add to the roster or something like that. I just want to explore the ins and outs of the thought process concerning the braves SS decisions for 2012. I'm going to go through some of my thoughts. The comments I am hoping for most would be on the thought process of the situation and the factors that should be considered. I've broken thoughts into bits mostly as opposed to writing an essay with a thesis.
Pastornicky has limited experience, and it's aggressive to bring him to the majors.
It would be ideal to have a bridge to him that could be a utility guy after Pastornicky comes up.
no such player exists - a mediocre bat at SS is a commodity as it is.
All he has to be is mediocre with the bat and he is better than what we could afford.
Especially if he is coming up in half a season.
If he doesn't come up ASAP, Simmons likely passes him, he becomes AAAA - cant be traded
If we bring him up, he succeeds, then we bring Simmons up, not only do we have one to trade or one to move to third, we also never paid for a veteran to hit as mediocre.
That said, Pastornicky, even if he struggles like Freeman did at the start of last year, is still going to be hitting league average for an 8-hitter or for SS - which is all we could possibly get. And Pastornicky brings some speed at the turnover of the lineup, and the ability to take a walk in front of the pitcher.
The other advantage he has is, he is relatively unscouted compared to today's season starting rookies like Jason Heyward. That means he may be able to tour the league for a good bit of the season before pitchers all know his weaknesses. If he is able to put up good numbers as long as this lasts, he still will have brought decent production for the first half of the season. At this time we can either bring in Simmons or trade for a SS having a good season on a noncontender.
I am just trying to look from all angles at what it is to pencil in Pastornicky. It is absolutely not the same as penciling in Freeman. There are definitely veterans out there that can hit better than mediocre and step in at first for a season, then even step back into a pinch hitting role. At first base there are real options. At SS, they're extremely limited and bitterly overpriced.
That's not to say the braves won't bring in a veteran utility man that can play SS, and who can force Pastornicky to compete for the job. I'm just saying Pastor-Nicky would have to really blow to do worse than a backup SS that can actually field the position well. We would muuuuuuuch rather be able to go for a guy with a playable bat and degenerating defense at SS.
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"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mods...
Please delete this fanpost.
Or merge it with the rosterbation thread.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Dec 1, 2011 8:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
but but but
This is completely different than everything on TC from the last seven weeks!
by crimsonqueen9 on Dec 1, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yay, more shortstop fanposts!
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Holy hell
Just tell yourself, and your friend…if we get Reyes, we’ll be fine.
I forgot to mention Kemp and Pujols because this is another SS thread, of course.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
You could mention say…Martin Prado
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Of course he can play SS
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
This isn’t rosterbation
Then why are you holding that naked picture of John Schuerholz?
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Dec 2, 2011 5:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yall are so lame
2 complaints
1 – should be in the rosterbation thread – keep building a site for the 5 people that read the rosterbation threads.. There is value in isolating a centered conversation.
2 – too many SS posts – none of them are actually setting up a conversation – they are starting with their thought about what should be done. This is a withdrawn look at the thought process – which is where we should start a collective convo.
How's this?
SS in 2012…we should have one.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Winnnnnnar!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Dec 2, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Nah
We should go out there with 8 men and let Chipper cover the entire left side of the infield… his knees would hold up right… the only problem is he wouldn’t want to hit twice because he only hits 3rd in the line up….
There've been several that set up the conversation
and it’s all been discussed ad nauseum. The only remaining question is – you bet – rosterbation. Who can we get? Who should we give up to get them? Are we ok filling the role from within? All rosterbation. All talked about non-stop for the past several weeks, in both the rosterbation threads, and the front page stories about whether or not Pastornicky is “ready,” and just about any other thread where we’ve managed to talk about shortstops for some reason or another.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
If you don't go through the rosterbation threads that's on you...
but they are, and contain, precisely this nonsense. They are there for super smart PhD people like you to discuss these things.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
i dont agree with this sentiment
the site is for all braves fans, not just the ones that can keep up with the rosterbation threads..
I would love to do a poll of how many people read rosterbation threads and keep up with them that regularly visit this site
You don’t have time to keep up with the rosterbation thread, but you have time to write a pointless Fanpost? And respond to every comment in it?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is is run by certain people
it is not “for all braves fans” or else some of those fans wouldn’t be banned for making a donkey out of themselves, not following the rules of the road, or both. And according to those certain people, they prefer that rosterbation posts (and whether you will admit it or not, that’s exactly what you just put up) to not be all over the place, and prefer that it be kept nice and tidy in the rec’d fanpost at the top of the fanpost section. Several people read rosterbation threads and several of them regularly visit the site and comment in numerous threads. They abide by that desire of the people who run the site, and it works great. That’s probably why they have that desire in the first place. Of course, then there’s you, who can’t be bothered with a rosterbation thread, and put up who knows how many of these redundant, “not rosterbation” when it is, fanposts up, always talking about how you should be able to spray your hose wherever you damn well please.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
some here just complain
i used to post and get involved here,but i just read mostly now.ive actually been critisized for not using capital letters.ived played alotta baseball,little league,high school,and adult league .ive coached my oldest son since he was 8,and just started coaching my youngest sons baseball career and have loved the braves since i was 6.i understand alot about baseball and like to give my opinion on things,but some just want to critisize others posts and opinions,thats what facebook is for.willin ,in my opinion,you are dead on.bringing a shortstop up is the way to go,saves money and we cant do any worse then what we have hitting the ball now.
Thanks fatazfoot
yeah there are a lot of trolls.. how would our team be if they treated each other this way? haha
Last year I went out of my way to defend some people against those who make this an ultimately inhospitable place to be. And the signs are obvious. Instead of growing, like a blog obviously should, you can see that there is far less going on on this site – and I don’t just mean the off season. It’s not the people running TC, it’s the dbags that have to get their own inner shit out online. Notice it’s also the people online all day, who read posts first, that set the tone—not the people that check this once a day at most. It’s boring to them because they read the rosterbation threads 6 times a day and try and ruin the way the site works for those who check it less. I’ll admit I check it more, but I don’t try and make the site just for the 10 of us that do. I am trying to set up a centered conversation on a SS where we can take all the bulk conversation we’ve had about it and try to agree on the simple abstract parameters—the conversation beneath the conversation. I suppose that’s because I was a philosophy major and I live a layer of conversation lower than most people. But I am also familiar with the fact that a lot of people change away from philosophy as a major because the classroom environment is really harsh when compared to literature or science or something. This environment is harsh, and it’s making this whole sight more about what 5 people say in response to anyone else that wants to participate. How many people are on the site? How many post these blog shaping negative responses? Why would we think they speak for everyone? I just don’t care…
by willlinn on Dec 1, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you're saying...
we should have the same discussions over and over again because somebody might not have seen it the first twenty times?
This isn’t me trolling. This is me saying that I love it when you contribute, but this isn’t a contribution. It’s just repetition.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Actually, this is one of the fastest growing, most viewed blogs on SBN.
And no, we didn’t need yet another post about the SS position. It’s common knowledge that the Braves need a SS in 2012. It’s also widely believed that they have no interest in Reyes or Rollins due to their high price tag/years obligated.
FYI, including the rosterbation posts, over the last 6 weeks, there have been no fewer than 10 fanposts that mention SS and at least 788 comments that mention either “SS, Shortstop, Pastornicky or Gonzalez.”
I’d say the discussion has been had.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 2, 2011 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
+788
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Dec 2, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Oh come on
Clearly 700 of those comments, at least, are talking about sample size, what the Phillies are going to do at shortstop, Gio Gonzalez, and… ok, I’ve got no snarky alternative for Pastornicky. :)
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Perhaps they are discussing the unimpressive and truncated playing career of Cliff Pastornicky, who finished his career with a .125 batting average and 5 RBI in two weeks. (Cliff being Tyler’s dad.)
Or maybe they are spreading the good word about Sunday services with Pastor Nicky Papadopolous at Saint Athanasius the Great Orthodox Church.
Just offering some possibilities.
by Ivan the Great on Dec 2, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
i am not denying its been talked about a lot
but I am trying to get people to refine their thoughts into thought processes – not who to go for or whatever. I was just trying to set up a thread so that we could get the abstract situation stretched out, simple and clear without the muddyness of specific suggestions. Some people, myself included, like to get the theory strait. I am sorry that none of yall see the value in a post on the pure theory of the situation… I am not sure what else yall want to talk about in rosterbation, everything is kind of beaten to death on the site at this point. That’s why I thought I would take it to a new and fresh level where we shared the way we think with each other as opposed to our particular thoughts. It’s just a different angle at the same thing, but the other angles are very exhausted.
This isn't pure theory.
Pure theory doesn’t talk about whether or not specific players are ready, and it doesn’t talk about “what-if” future scenarios involving specific players.
And people share “the way we think” with each other all the time. It’s not like we’re just throwing around “Ooh, A+B+C for X+Y” in the rosterbation threads (or in any of the several other discussions on shortstops). There’s real discussion going on there, with arguments, and explanations, and questions and answers and everything else. It doesn’t need to be fostered or chaperoned or nudged or whatever it is you’re trying to do here.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
It's getting deep in here
but I am trying to get people to refine their thoughts into thought processes – not who to go for or whatever. I was just trying to set up a thread so that we could get the abstract situation stretched out, simple and clear without the muddyness of specific suggestions.
I’m still trying to figure out wOBA.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
I think you're a bit on the low side. I would say more like 200,000,000
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
WE NEED A SS!
Why don’t we sign Reyes? Then sign Pujols. And then we can send Freeman and others in a trade for Matt Kemp and we’ll be set, right?
Me and a couple friends came to that conclusion the other day.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Think tank. I like it.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Dear Lord…make it stop!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Dec 2, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
TWSS
"If it's F'd up then it's F'd up" --- Gregg Marshall
Not to me…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 2, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
that's right, you'd have to be in position to start for her to say that
HEY NOW!
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/brushes off keyboard...sets down the rosterbatory lotion...cracks knuckles...
Ok. Willlinn, my friend… You try so hard to be relevant. You try so hard to centralize and corral the herd of cats that are the bloggers of this glorious site… And you get nothing but grief from it. You spend alot of effort in using language that sounds sophisticated and intellegent and then you come across in a post or two where you just dump the biggest turd in the punch bowl… You’re a smart person. I get that and truly believe you want to make this site better… You’re also an instigator and someone who likes to stir the pot. I don’t dislike that because I, myself, am an instigator… Heck, I call myself the President of TC… Regardless of all that, I applaud your effort to write however many words up there (that don’t say I am not rosterbating) to actually look at the “SS Problem” from a singular perspective of what the COAs are for Pasty’s success/failure at the MLB level. I will agree with most of the comments that this has been discussed ad nauseum (sp) in a bajillion posts… Next time you feel the need to do this, maybe just drop it a level to the fan shots and include some new link to some writer who has something to say about the topic and then add your two cents. You didn’t bring anything new to the conversation and at this point, we are all sitting in the middle of a crowded room with our little rosterbator machines churning getting everyone gooey w/ no real satisfaction.
Oh and as much as you may hate it, get used to Reyes, Pujols, Kemp… You are firmly established as a top TC meme. Just be glad your name isn’t Choppy… Poor kid.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
What are you, some kind of instigator?
I was always more partial to Chilly Williy my self.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I appreciate your thorough and thought out response
Sorry to take it to theory again, but I’d love to get your thoughts on this.
I’ve seen that people do what you suggested, a fan shot and their two cents.
I think that’s a great way to do it, it should be done, but it can’t establish a central convo on its own. It may be that my desire for a centralized discussion is an academic ideal that I should give up, but my fantasy is that the fan shots and rosterbation threads lead to a fan post on a SINGLE subject that starts fresh without all the shavings and sawdust of the first and more tangential discussions.
In examining myself, I realize that I get a little intellectually frustrated with conversations become so split and diffuse. So I want to bring them into a central place. My personal feeling is that rosterbation should be general for any and all rosterbation. But when a specific conversation, like SS, outgrows the rosterbation post, that it should become its own centered conversation. Even if there are 20 SS posts, I bet the very first one was chastised as unwanted rosterbation that belonged in the overcrowded over complicated rosterbation thread. And by the way, I started this post in the rosterbation thread, then it just seemed too long and unwieldy to go there. Maybe I’m wrong, but I find oversized posts in the rosterbation thread to not work well for anyone. If it was up to me, long complicated thoughts put in the rosterbation thread would become rosterbation posts, worthy because of their extensiveness. WHOOOO CARES IF THERE IS AN EXTRA POST? It’s not like it’s more to read if it was going into the rosterbation thread, and it’s more organized this way.
Also, I can handle all the shit i receive. Actually, it entertains me, so does the Reyes Pujols Kemp meme. I love it, cracks me up. This is a website for fans of a game, some people take it too seriously, but i don’t take it seriously when they do.
And on that note, for being able to express multiple attitudes from respect to disgust in a non offensive but not crossterbatory voice, You can have my vote for TC pres. If disagreements came from such a voice, they would be supported from my side.
Some constructive criticism, no need to reply.
One concerns your general style:
too long and unwieldy to go there. Maybe I’m wrong, but I find oversized posts in the rosterbation thread to not work well for anyone. If it was up to me, long complicated thoughts put in the rosterbation thread would become rosterbation posts, worthy because of their extensiveness.
You claim your purpose for this post was to focus the discussion, although in each of your posts and comments you seem to wind through several topics (typically including your education and some unrelated philosophical point). If you distilled these posts in the RT, instead of leaving it to the reader to decipher your ramblings, people might be more inclined to engage in the kind of conversation you seem to be seeking.
The other concerns your attitude:
Also, I can handle all the shit i receive. Actually, it entertains me
Your general attitude seems to imply you are above the community instead of a part of it. The conventions set up by the site have been molded over time, to the opinion of the majority here. If you feel this isn’t the case, make your case to the mods (privately) and if they disagree, which obviously they do – along with many others, take your valuable content elsewhere. If it is truly valuable, you will get a following.
My feeling is that if you can address these issues, you will see a major shift in the attitude of posters here. But you’ll have to take some responsibility for the way people react to your content first.
"I have a dream that our twelve pitchers will one day play in a city where they will not be judged solely by statistics, but on the quality and consistency of their pitches." - MLK, Jr.
This.
Your general attitude seems to imply you are above the community instead of a part of it.
I was amusingly exasperated with this post until you started to give the impression that you thought we were all uncivilized sheep who couldn’t appreciate your lofty philosophical goals. I am currently assuming that this is just part of your delivery and not actually what you think about most of us here, but with every comment you’ve posted on this thread so far I’ve found more reason to take offense.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
" I am currently assuming that this is just part of your delivery and not actually what you think about most of us here" (not sophisticated enough to do that grey box yall make)
That’s true. I don’t think yall are idiots. I come here because the conversation about baseball, no matter how wild and erratic, is more intelligent than anywhere else or with people I know in person.
But when people are critical of certain stuff, sometimes I can only laugh. Mostly it’s when people get more serious or more bullying than makes sense. I actually think I am one of the regular posters on the site that doesn’t attack thoughts on baseball or the Braves.
Another difference about my approach, correct me if I’m wrong, is that I believe the way this whole thing works, sports blogging and the newly emerging etiquette is still in its infancy. For that reason, I am not that hindered by the early conventions that have been set up. I think the whole approach to how to do this sports blog thing has a long way to go. Not that it isn’t great now, but I can say with certainty that few of the conventions of this site will be around in 10-20 years. I will say though, we are onto some important focuses. Obviously rosterbation will be going on in 20 years, but by then it will have evolved based on these turbid conversations that involve all of us—from those who are ready to make our conventions law, and those like me who want to continue to stretch this thing. Because obviously, it isn’t figured out, it isn’t done stretching, the rules we have are experimental in my mind – to be followed unless there is a creative insight that leads to something different.
and obviously
I am willing to fail, to piss people off, or go against the grain.
You won’t find me making short rosterbation posts in the fan post section, or doing any of the obviously dissonant things. If I make a post, it’s because I have an understanding of how it falls between the gaps of convention. It isn’t exactly rosterbation – and no one can say that the above is standard rosterbation, it’s theoretical not hypothetical. Anything I post out of the rosterbation thread, would be a certain kid of stretch to put in there and a certain kind of stretch to make its own. It’s going to get some flak, but at this point in blog evolution, it’s the kind of thing that needs done.
And there you go again.
On the one you’re saying “Yeah, no, I’m not special.” On the other hand you’re saying “I have invented this TOTALLY NEW KIND OF BLOG POST and you all should recognize how cool and necessary it is.”
And there’s nothing more theoretical about your post than there is in several of the rosterbation discussions. In fact, more than half of your post is, in fact, hypothetical.
As far as etiquette is concerned – the internet is a new thing, but discussions are not. We’ve talked this particular topic to death and then you walk in the room and say “I know we’ve talked about this a lot, and I don’t have any new information to add, but I feel like you’ve been discussing it incorrectly and I’d like to start over.” It’s rude and a bit insulting, not edgy and revolutionary.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
This reminds me of a quote... 10 Krash points to whoever (non-google) figures out who said it...
Caveot- pardon the language…
We have a two party system: the Democratic party, which is a party of no ideas, and the Republican party, which is a party of bad ideas. And the way it works is, the Republican stands up in Congress and goes, “I got a really bad idea.” And the Democrat says, “And I can make it sher.”
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Can I use Krash points for online purchases?
Otherwise I’mma just google it. :P
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
If you get enough of them...
A chasm will open up in the center of the earth and swallow the moon and all its stars…
My advice is to not try to “spend” Krash points… they are much to volatile in today’s market…
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
...I'm glad I didn't guess, then.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Fair enough… few people read the fine print…
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit
Slow to get to this, and I miss out on Krash points…
Hey! I’m new.
by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
Twitter: @biggentleben
Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
Reacts to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
May take advantage of others to reach their own goal
Tend to exaggerate their own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagines unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Easily becomes jealous
Lacks empathy and disregards the feelings of others
Obsessed with oneself
Mainly pursues selfish goals
I’ll let everyone draw their own conclusions.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who, me?
I hate myself, so I don’t think you’re barking up the wrong tree.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
No, lol, just in support of your post.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Err, I meant "I think," not "I don't think"
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Rosterbation
includes theory as well as examples of trades. If you’d read them, you’d notice there is a lot of theoretical, why this or why that type stuff that echoes a lot of what you say, and make this unneccessary.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
So, you’re thinking disorganization, redundancy, and inefficiency are the message board/blog of the future? Nothing in your original post was new, insightful, or forward-thinking, it was clutter. Your “approach” only adds to the chaos, and if you want to help create a better board you need to take the complete opposite approach.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Meant to write “Evolution is the movement towards order and away from chaos” before that last line.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
For that reason, I am not that hindered by the early conventions that have been set up the way the people who run this site and made it what it is would prefer things to go, so I flip them the bird and take a nice large dump in their pool.
ftfy
Seriously man, there is a reason gondee and the others prefer a rosterbation post. I may or may not agree with those reasons, and mayor may not think I know better how things should be done, but this is THEIR house, and so long as I’m in THEIR house, I’ll at least try to be respectful enough to honor their wishes.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
+1
Very well said.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Dec 2, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
someguy,
any posts i made about my education, first of all, were in the body of other posts. So I am not sure how that’s relevant, and it only came up once, and it came up.
And I am not sure what you mean by ramblings, every single statement separated by an empty line is a logical assertion that would be impossible not to follow. In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot. I should be writing and editing essays, so I feel guilty when i put too much time into a response to a post.
As far as a shift in the attitude of the posters…I don’t want this to be misunderstood. Obviously I value you all, I’ve even been one of few to stand up for others that get bullied around here. My understanding of baseball has increased by leaps and bounds thanks to everyone on the site, even those I rub wrong. Even still, I don’t care to be an insider in a community. This is just my agora where i come to trade. Not that I see myself as a Shaman, but his social position is pretty similar to how I care to be on this site. The Shaman is not an accepted inner member of the tribe, but his insights and skills are so valuable that he is kept around. Sometimes he plays the trickster role, sometimes he plays the healing role. He cares about the people in the village, but doesn’t really care what they think about him in many ways. He is a threat and a protector. He gets chastised and commended. He settles into no comfortable societal role. The obvious difference is that the Shaman has very developed professional abilities that he learned from another shaman, my baseball skills are amateur and I learned lots of it from yall, who I am metaphorically calling the village. As has been noted, I have a strong sense of self worth and a confidence in my own intelligence. That said, I know how many other intelligent people are on this site, so I know my value is to do things my way. People will get red sometimes, but I am not alone. There must be tons of people on sports blogs playing these kind of convention challenging roles, who we will all point ot in 20 years as as instrumental to the way we blog then as the early conventions.
Guilt has taken back over, way too much time posting here, I have to get back to this ‘Implied Spider’ book that is obviously less entertaining than this game
This isn't a "logical assertion that would be impossible not to follow"
If he doesn’t come up ASAP, Simmons likely passes him, he becomes AAAA – cant be traded
It’s speculation on several points.
Just one example.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
The defense rests your honor... I have no further comments or questions...
“In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.” – willlinn
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I for one, found that statement to be a shock
and the “only brought up my education once” an outright lie.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I would make this my new sig if mine wasn’t so damn important.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Salty is so far gone… I can change mine. :-)
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
10 Krash Points for you my man.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
You can't make me bleed my own blood!?
What are you thinking…
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really sure how to respond to that…..
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 2, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
You would get some Krash Points if you got it... but alas...
swoooosh
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I got the Dodgeball reference, but it was slightly misquoted so I wasn’t completely certain.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 6, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Perfect example of both criticisms, actually.
Instead of taking the criticism I offered as a favor to help improve your content, thus allowing you to make better connections in the community and having a more enjoyable experience, you have predictably used it to justify your current stance as an outsider and a revolutionary – and as a bonus, included a long-winded analogy that isn’t really relevant.
If you don’t respect this blog enough to edit your thoughts, effectively taking a mind-dump in the posting board every week, don’t be surprised when someone who DOES respect this community comes by and cleans it up.
If you truly want to have a good convo, then philosophically, do you think you’re taking the best approach?
Or are you just using the ‘need’ to revolutionize this site to ignore your other responsibilities?
"I have a dream that our twelve pitchers will one day play in a city where they will not be judged solely by statistics, but on the quality and consistency of their pitches." - MLK, Jr.
And this is what your comment actually says, when you take out all the fluff.
I don’t see how discussions about my eduaction are relevant here.
Though some of my posts may be long, I feel like they follow a general logic. Admittedly, sometimes I stray off-topic, as I don’t really put the effort to editing that the community I’m presenting them to expects.
Realistically though, I don’t really intend to contribute to this community, I only come here to get Braves news and to avoid doing work I don’t want to do. So, I’m going to continue to do this, because while I value the opinion and content of the posters here, it’s more valuable for me to feel like I am intelligent and making a difference.
But big whoop, none of this is really important anyways.
"I have a dream that our twelve pitchers will one day play in a city where they will not be judged solely by statistics, but on the quality and consistency of their pitches." - MLK, Jr.
by someguy1 on Dec 2, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Since you asked... and I'm bored...
My opinion on the matter is I want to see what Pastornicky brings in ST… If he brings it like Heyward, Sean Rodriguez, Gabe Gross or any other ST Anomoly.. he will have earned a shot at the regular job… At that point, we need to sign a veteran backup who can play regularly when (not if) the youngin’ falters…
My ideal solution, as I’ve stated many times for all to hear, would be to negociate a trade w/ the Red Sox and bring Jed Lowrie over… He’s extraneous there and it drives me nuts that we are not asking (to my knowledge) what it would take to get him… We certainly have pieces worth offering. Jed is the ideal solution as we can sign him long term and he will just move from SS (where he is league average at worst) to 3B (where he may be slightly above league average) when Chipper retires… OR, if his defense falters, his offense is good enough (when given regular opportunites) to be a mega utility player (a la Infante/Prado/Figgins(a couple years ago))
I don’t have any statistical proof on Lowrie other than what I think but I’ve been a fan of his for a while now and I think he can contribute to any MLB team and it’s a shame he rides the bench in Boston in favor of Scutaro and their other IFs (not named Gonzalez).
As far as your response to my comment, it is a perfect example of what I was referencing… We get it, you’re educated… Why the need to utilize words that are way over sophisticated for the point you’re trying to make? Also, the rosterbation posts only get better when they have intellectual contributions and now just a banter job between Sanchez and Justin about who’s rosterbator is bigger… :-D We all know, mine is the biggest of them all.
Anywho, thanks for the considerate response and I look forward to the next PRK discussion.
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much the only way this could’ve been more redundant is if you brought up:
1) The Yunel trade
2) The Tex trade
So… congrats on that, I guess?
How about the "professional hitting/fielding" qualities of FUGA?
Or maybe the All-Star caliber potential of “The Natural”…
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Dec 2, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
People on here just love to bitch
If you don’t like a post, ignore it. Skip over it.
Coming in and getting your tampon in a twist and railing on new posters and calling for the mods is just pathetic. It also defeats the purpose by pushing the fanpost you detest so much to the top of the discussion. The only reason I checked (yet another) SS post was because it had so many recent comments. Otherwise I would have skipped right over this thread and it would have been no hurdle to my TC experience.
TL;DR – The people bitching about the posts are the problem. Not the people making them.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
You couldn't be more wrong.
The guidelines of the forum expressly say that this does not belong. Willinn just enjoys irking people, and this is just another one of his cries for attention, to irk the status quo further. As long as he can be contrarian, he’s happy.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
As long as he can be contrarian, he’s happy
We’re not talking about Justin here
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Justin tends to argue just to argue with fellow commentors, willinn does it with the mods and such. If you haven’t seen this, you haven’t been paying attention.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
He's not being contrarian
He’s redefining sports blogs and shifting paradigms in digital communications, ALL WHILE WORKING TOWARDS HIS DOCTORATE.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I gotta step in and defend my bro here… Justin argues because he can’t let someone else be wrong and not know it (or at least he perceives them to be wrong…I can’t defend him totally, dude is off his rocker occasionally), and generally Justin conforms to the rules of the blog
Willin, well i don’t know because i usually just skip everything he says, especially after his condescending rant about how great it is to study something that has absolutely no practical effect towards obtaining gainful employment in a capitalist society. (for me to say that is quite difficult, considering I have one of the more meaningless degrees, philosophy).
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
In defense of Justin...
Totally agreed, and I’m generally the same way.
If I think I’m right and someone’s arguing against my viewpoint, I’m not going to stop until the conversation is utterly exhausted. Don’t fault him for that at all, and we’re just as likely to argue against each other on one topic and argue the same opinions against others on a different topic. I don’t believe in arguing with or against someone because of who they are.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I am the rare breed that actually argues less on the internet than i do in real life. I can walk away from an internet debate, i cannot from a real life disagreement.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
no its true..here I’ll shwo you
I have only entered into 30405 internet debates and walked away from 20% of them, whereas I haev entered into 349588 real life debates, walkign away from a paltry 4% of them.
bam see I am right, you are wrong
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Aw, people can use stats to prove anything Swo...
14% of all people know that.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
i think we can all agree I am winning more
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
and “I”, “think”, “can”, “agree”, “am” and “more”.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 9, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Now here's a man who nevers walks away from an argument
even when it doesn’t concern him.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Isn’t that the basis of our military strategy over the last 200 years or so?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think he's right
I mean, I saw this topic go up, and I was like “Oh, how stupid, ANOTHER stupid rosterbation post about the shortstop position,” and I didn’t bother reading it. But I come back over 24 hours later, and I see it’s over 100 comments in that time, so I’m curious and come read it. And I find it not that insightful, so all the comments attached to it are only providing MORE attention to something that’s perhaps unworthy of attention.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Pretty much any time someone requests adherance to the guidelines
He goes off…you can almost set your clock to it…
Hey! I’m new.
by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
Twitter: @biggentleben
by biggentleben on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Better than “moddddds, come deleeetteeee thisssss” in every thread which violates the “rules”
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
No, it's not
whining about whining is just as silly.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I’m just saying if people let these threads go, they wouldn’t have to worry about them.
Now here we are, with this thread sitting atop the fanpost list.
golf clap
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Since it's most recent, you mean
That’s why it’s atop the fanpost list on the right. Not on merit.
Hey! I’m new.
by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
Twitter: @biggentleben
The default page view for fanposts is “recently active”, not “recently posted”
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Not on the right it isn't...
Only when you click on the FanPost tab…and there it’d only have one other competition, which is where this should be – rosterbation.
Hey! I’m new.
by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
Twitter: @biggentleben
by biggentleben on Dec 4, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
You're right
We should all tacitly endorse them by ignoring them. That will certainly make them stop.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
because bitching about them for the past year has made them stop
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
So, I'm confused
If complaining about a behavior does nothing, then you should just ignore the people who complain about this particular behavior.
If complaining about a behavior is helpful in deterring people from that behavior, then you shouldn’t be bothered by the people who complain about this.
Either way, there doesn’t seem to be a reason for this corner of the conversation :)
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I submit into evidence Exhibit A: Chopmaster
He is no longer here because he wasn’t ignored. That alone has cut these types of posts in half.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 5, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Chopmaster's reinstatement is on my short list of christmas wants from the internet santa...
With him around, my posts don’t look half so rediculous… not to mention, the kid spits genius sometimes… when he’s not trying to hard.
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 6, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Your brand of ridiculousness is entertaining though, his was just sad.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Dec 6, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I have a brand...
I need to call my lawyers and get the copyright on it before someone tries to steal it. :-D
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 7, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Call it
Sex Panther
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 7, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
done.
Sex Panther ©
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 7, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that the only way it gets pushed to the top of a discussion is if it gets rec’d, not if it has a lot of comments.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 4, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
baseball is a game
hey sometimes folks who are over-ideational and have trouble distancing
ego enhancement from a nice diversion react with what rorchach folks
call ‘little d’.
don’t let them throw you off focus eg whether you are throwing some thoughts
out , ‘rosterbating’ or god knows what.
clubbish folks get worked up over such things. don’t worry if you displease
the ‘club’.
you’ve tossed out a few thoughts and the response has been essentially
how you have broken some group norms where you are thought to be
a ‘deviant’ from the herd.
next time I would suggest put it out there and let enjoy. no need to justify yourself
to a cyber-greek chorus.
I is what I is and I'm sticking to my story
by sealift67 on Dec 2, 2011 8:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is almost poetic.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
And we shall call it, “Ballad of a Thin Mind.”
by YakuzaFro on Dec 2, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The meter needs work.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
this
thank you for the laughs, the sighs, the snarls, and the sudden cliff dive after a dance with mary jane…also a thank you to the participants… the peace keepers, the ill tempered and the mediators, it was a good read
✈
In summation: Pastornicky may not be ready, Simmons is far from ready; we most likely need a cheap veteran – that plays serviceable D and is not a butcher at the plate – to start the season.
You heard it here for the first 515,759,843,659,767,869th time!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man. -The Dude
But this time it was THEORY.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
After reading this thread I have one question. Who should we get to play SS next year?
You won't always agree with me...Because sometimes you're wrong.
by JonnyBravesFan on Dec 3, 2011 5:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Who should we get to play SS next year?Someone should write a fanpost about this…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Martin Prado
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
73 more words and we’ve got ourselves a fanpost as successful as this one.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Can it just say
Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp Martin Prado Nitram Odarp
http://sportsandgrits.com/
LET'S GO PIRATES
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
David Ross could play short right? Why has no one thought of this before?
http://tarpslides-r-us.blogspot.com/
he is a great defender behind the plate, herego he must be good at short…plus we get his bat in the lineup
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
AUGH NO
Ross is an improvement defensively behind the plate, so we put McCann at shortstop. That way we get the defensive boost at C without sacrificing Heap’s bat.
QUICK SOMEONE CALL FRANK
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Genius! Off season solved.
I told Frank and he loved the idea, only problem is…he told Freddi, who agreed but said be would need to have J.C. Boscan on the roster all year. Apparently having a backup catcher that never plays on the roster is in his contract.
http://tarpslides-r-us.blogspot.com/
Since we were going to fill a slot with a (now useless) shortstop anyway
I don’t see how that could hurt.
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
I <3 you guys.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Dec 4, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions
I ♣ you guys
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
What alternative universe have I stepped in to?
Just spent close to half an hour reading grown men argue about what should or shouldn’t be written. I guess I should have followed my own advice and “if you don’t like what’s being written, move on, don’t read it”. What happenned to civility. As a new participant it scares me to try and engage.
As for the orininal ss question, I’d be happy to live with Jack Wilson hitting 8th and playing solid D over a rookie to back up our young staff. Quality guy, great glove, lifetime .270 hitter and I won’t have to look a agonz sour mug and no hussle anymore.
It’s not what should be written or shouldn’t be written. I don’t think anyone here really wants to stifle genuine discussion (even discussion that doesnt pertain to the Braves…any topic involving TV, movies, or video games are usually welcome). It just a matter of where certain posts belong.
I hope you aren’t really hesitant to start or engage in conversation here…especially if you have something meaningful to contribute. any community needs new members to foster good communication.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
^^
Just don’t make rambly incoherent fanposts about a topic that’s already been all over the front page for weeks and then try to defend it by suggesting it’s a revolutionary breakthrough in the way we think about blog posts.
You’ll be fine. :)
I don’t always find things on TC exciting and gripping, but when they are, I prefer: Duwanis
by Santaklose11 on Dec 2, 2011 6:08 PM EST
Lowrie
I would be all for making a move for Lowrie, and giving him a chance to hit every day. Pair him with a solid glove guy like Wilson, so that when Chipper takes a day here or there, you can just move Lowrie to third. If he gets 600 ab’s and proves he can hit for a full season, you have the option of having him replace Chipper, and wouldnt block Pastornicky. If he can be had for maybe say Hoover then I would say make that move immediately
I like Lowrie too but I think it would a little more than Hoover to get him. I do like the idea of getting a SS for this year that could move to third long term and be our Chipper replacement like you suggested with Lowrie
You won't always agree with me...Because sometimes you're wrong.
by JonnyBravesFan on Dec 5, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love Lowrie, personally, but from what I have heard they like him as well. The Red Sox need MLB ready pitching, but I’m don’t feel comfortable giving up Jurrjens for Lowrie, and I’m not sure they would take Minor.
I feel like there is a lot of Ben Zobrist in Lowrie, but i don’t think the Red Sox expectations meet ours. I think he is their Prado and they can use him all of the diamond to spot start for Pedroia, or Youk , or Scutaro, he can even DH for them or play a corner OF spot (although he rarely does).
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
HEY!!!!! I know this story...
Umm… wait… Yea… the FO broke my heart w/ the rumor we’re not going after him.. It makes too much sense. I love the kid and I would let him marry my unborn daughter… well wait… that might be wierd. anyways… Yes. I think what I’m trying to say is… I agree.
In the body of other posts, I am often admittedly high and tend to not want to edit a lot.
by willlinn on Dec 2, 2011 12:01 PM PST
by Klemson Krash on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Stepping away from sarcasm...
I actually do appreciate your post willinn, but I think part of the problem is that the Braves only have two roster spots to improve so we have talked about SS a lot and just depressed ourselves because of how bad the market is. If only our team were worse we would have more to talk about (ok a little sarcasm there to make my point).
As for the SS situation it breaks down like this: We of faith believe in TP, those without i guess want to go after Rollins? or resign Seabass, the Agnostics want a back up to play until TP and the gang feel he is ready. Unless the unimaginable happens and some team way over pays for JJ and gives us their starting shortstop, its just gonna be exactly that, a heap of faith or a pile of offensive shit (but great defense!).
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