Frank Wren's Quotes About Braves Trades And Free Agents
by gondeee on Nov 8, 2011 3:47 PM EST
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PrintFrank Wren was on ESPN XM Radio today, and Jim Bowden tweeted several of the things he revealed:
Wren just told us that the Braves will increase their payroll in 2012....and that every player is available in trade if they can get better
We knew this, but it's good to hear it again -- the payroll part. I believe the clarification on every player being available is every player that does not have 10-5 rights.
Frank Wren told us that they are open-minded to SS...& more likely up-grade by trade than Free Agency. They do like Pastornicky but not rdy
So cross Tyler Pastornicky off the list of opening day shortstop options.
Frank Wren told us indirectly that they are NOT pursuing Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes because they are not looking to sign a SS to multiyr dl
Reaffirming the need for a stopgap shortstop ... through a trade. And no Rollins or Reyes, shocking!
Wren told us they have 8 starting pitchers right now: Hudson,Jurrjens, Hanson, Beachy,Minor Teheran, Delgado and Medlen
And Vizzy? I guess that means they view Vizcaino as a reliever.
Frank Wren said they are looking for a RHH corner OF bat...but less level type player than Cuddyer and Willingham
Wait, LESS than Cuddyer and Willingham? How does that improve either outfield corner? That could have been lost in translation from Wren to Bowden to twitter, gosh I hope so. [UPDATE] Per Ben's comment, "less level type player" could mean an outfielder who is not a type-A free agent, of which both Cuddyer and Willingham are. Of course, he could have meant Milton Bradley, he's not very level.
Bowden also just tweeted this:
Frank Wren indirectly shot down the Jurrjens/Prado trade rumors with the Royals
C'mon, two beat writers can't be wrong, right?
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Gonna take a wild guess and assume Wren meant not “type-A,” but who knows.
by BenDuronio on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gondee, it means they are happy with Prado in LF...
My question is what are they looking for that’s vastly different to Matty Diaz?
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Yeah, that was exactly my take. Only other thing I can figure is that he’s trying to send a message out that he’s okay with the team as is… and if you want one of our starting pitchers, you’re gonna have to pay for him.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
The other thing I got out of it was that he’s looking to really shore up our depth. “A RH corner OF bat, but less than Cuddyer or Willingham”? To me, that would be Diaz unless he’s not satisfied there. I mentioned it below, but it seems the only bench players we’re satisfied with are David Ross and Eric Hinske…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
The Braves need a back-up CF more than a corner OF. They already have Diaz and Hinske who can back up the corners.
Constanza. He’s a perfectly fine backup CF.
by Broccoman on Nov 8, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disgree w/ this statement...
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 8, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
This.
He’s prefectly adequate as a 5th OFer or start the season in Gwinnett and fill in for a Bourn DL stint…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
This if by this you mean exactly the opposite of this. Constanza is really not even a major league backup.
Which is why I mentioned this...
or start the season in Gwinnett and fill in for a Bourn DL stint…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Still rather have somebody better.
But, if we can’t get anybody, we can’t get anybody.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
I know is was a streaky SSS of 116 PAs, but he put up adequate OBP and SB ability and pretty decent range in CF. We could do a lot worse…
Besides that, the only internal options are Myke Jones and Antoan Richardson, right?
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
You can always do a lot worse
Put me out in CF – I’d do a lot worse. Doesn’t mean we couldn’t do better. If we get a backup CF it’ll be from outside.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
So are lots of players's.
It doesn’t mean their MLB numbers are going to be good.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Sure he is. Look around the league and look at 5th outfielders. It’s not exactly a distinguished class.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
This
it’s not hard to be a 5th outfielder.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
What do you expect? He’s a guy with two valuable skills off the bench (speed/base stealing and the ability to cover all the OF positions) and he’s cheap, that’s solid for a guy at the end of the bench.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
He isn’t a good base stealer. He isn’t a good fielder. His hitting was a fluke. He is nothing you think he is.
He's exactly what I think he is.
He’s got an 80% SB success rate in the minors, and he’s got more than enough speed to make him an above average fielder in LF and RF and a not horrible backup option in CF.
I never said anything about his hitting.
He is a guy who can be handy off the bench in a pinch runner/backup OF role.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
He is a good basestealer, 80% including his ML time. His hitting for two weeks was a fluke, but so was the rest of his time. Players go hot and cold…
119PA isn’t ideal for a sample size, but it’s a viable SS for indicators. It’s a large enough sample for contact rate, for instance, to stabilize. He was 79th in the league in contact rate among all players that had enough PA for the stat to stabilize (100 PA), which is incredible. Only Martin Prado had a better contract rate on the team last season.
If you want a guy that can move runners, that’s a good indication of his ability to do so…especially if he can stabilize his GB%, which for his skillset is incredibly advantageous. Granted, he was still short of stabilizing that by about 40% of the required PAs (200PA required), but his ability to hit grounders was so obscene that even a heavy regression would still be fairly excellent, for his skillset.
From a 5th OF, the ability to steal and move runners over are pretty excellent traits…you obviously wouldn’t want to put him in on a sac fly situation, but if you have a runner with any speed on second with less than two outs, he’s your man. Bunt, hit, whatever, he’s usually going to be able to get the guy to third or home.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
and he can get pesky hits
which is huge against tough hitters..
And I think he can have a good OBP
Let's not jump to conclusions...
on Vizcaino. He’s not ready for the big leagues in a starting fashion in the first place, so it’s no surpise he’s not on that list.
The kid’s got less than a half season of starting work at AA, so I don’t his comment and your conclusion fit just yet.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Vizzy will be our (new) version of Neftali
We will talk about moving him to Start but he will be too valuable in relief… Unlike Texas, we have other (potentially better) options for the starting rotation…
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 8, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I've made my arguments elsewhere
But that’s stupid.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Interesting response...
Usually you come with something more intellectual than that… Someone must have stolen your chips…
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 9, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's my thoughts as well...
he’s talking about opening day or soon thereafter members of the rotation possibilties. And Vizcaino is going to AAA to work on things before any decision starter or reliever is made. Then again, if he is straight relief, Kimbrel, Venters, Vizcaino, EOF, Medlen is pretty damned impressive.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I hope he goes to AAA to start.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I hope you’re right. It just seems like a total value suck to peg him as a reliever this early.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
Because it is.
But the fact that we don’t know one way or the other just yet means it makes perfect sense for Wren not to list him; he’s not ready.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
True, I just see that a lot of people on here are already giving him the reliever title. But then again, just because there are many saying something doesn’t make it true. It just makes me anxious.
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
A lot of people on here think we're going to sign Jose Reyes
So, I’d take it with a grain of salt. :)
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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Good point
and don’t forget the rest of the trifecta: Kemp, and Pujols!
"One thing I’ve learned as a Phillies fan is that a lot of people hate our team and its fans."-commenter on The Good Phight
I just posted my take on the interview...
on the ‘Strangelove’ rosterbation thread (much more over there – search for ‘XM’). I heard the entire interview live, and here’s my take on that Left Field question, in context (though paraphrased):
How about Prado and left field? "Chipper’s 40 years old now and that knee is going to continue being a problem for him, so we’ve got to expect that his playing time is most likely going to be less than last year. On those days he’s out, we’ll plug Martin at third, but that leaves a ‘gaping’ hole in LF."
Any thoughts about a Michael Cuddyer or Josh Willngham to fill in at LF, then? “Well, we just don’t think we’re gonna have enough at bats for those guys. We need to have somebody who’s a little more than a bench player, but not an everyday guy… but preferably a right-handed bat so he can also spell Jason when he needs a day off.”
>>ed note: at this point I’m thinking "who the heck meets THAT requirement? Diaz?"
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Otherwise, I think the tweets were essentially on target with Frank’s comments.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Frank Wren.....
is that you? :-D It’s like you knowwwww….. (10 Krash points for anyone who gets the reference)
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 8, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Dunham
or specifically Peanut
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Nov 8, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
thenightstallion=Charlie Sheen
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 8, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
You got me.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Nov 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
From the content of the interview...
it sounds like the Braves are trying to improve upon the extremely mediocre depth that the following players don’t provide…
Alex Gonzalez
Jack Wilson
Brooks Conrad
Matt Diaz
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Sounds like Wren wants to squash the perception that he his eager to trade Martin Prado. This should help keep Prado’s trade value up and is an example of why Wren is so deadly in trade negotiations.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
not really
because if we can figure out thats what it means im sure plenty of other GM’s can as well
by drumzalicious on Nov 8, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
No, it helps
the alternative would have been to say “Yeah, we’re really looking to get rid of Prado,” which would’ve hurt our chances at getting a good deal for him (similar to Kawakami when it was so obvious that we didn’t want him). At least this way there’s doubt.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Maybe I'm reading too much into this....
But, what if Wren is trying to put a deal together with Jurrjens and Vizzy for an outfield bat? Maybe that’s why he left him off the list of starters. I don’t actually think Prado will be traded unless we are offered something ridiculously awesome. JJ and Vizzy I can see happening. Here’s what I think happens in our next trade:
JJ, Vizzy, Constanza, and Wilkin Ramirez for Matt Kemp
The Dodgers are going up for sale. They can’t give Kemp a long term deal because it will bring down the bidding. If they trade Kemp they would be ridding themselves of a potential $100M contract. We would potentially be able to offer Kemp a 5 yr deal worth between $90-100M due to the payroll increase and Chipper retiring next year. Even if he doesn’t retire I’m sure he would re-structure to get Kemp.
We can play Kemp in LF next year, and if we don’t re-sign Bourn he can play CF in 2012.
Arodys Vizcaino was not mentioned as a starter...
because he’s not ready to start at the ML level yet. The last game he started was in Mississippi until he was converted to the bullpen (to slow his IP pace), then moved up to Gwinnett’s bullpen, then to Atlanta’s. He’s still a SP and he should get that opportunity in Gwinnett in 2012.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
You read wayyyy too much into it
My take is were gonna get a short term SS via trade such as a Scutaro, a RH bench bat that’s a potential starter such as a Scott Hariston type.
I disagree with Scutaro...
I would rather re-sign A-Gon for 1 yr and possibly a team option for a 2nd yr. I don’t want to trade any prospects for a short term SS. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
by CaliforniaBrave on Nov 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
So don’t trade prospects…trade Jurrjens.
Jurrjens isn’t going to net an elite prospect. He’s really solid, but he’s not that guy. However, he is a Javy Vazquez-type that could net a highly-touted prospect that, for one reason or another, hasn’t quite lived up to his potential, and a serviceable piece besides.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Serviceable piece...
Being a shortstop that can stick around for a year or two and play some decent ball, like Scutaro and a few others out there.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
We have that if we re-sign A-Gon...
He can play decent ball until Pastor is ready. I don’t want to trade JJ or prospects for a half-ass player. If we trade JJ and prospects we need to a huge return like Kemp. I’m willing to give up one of our four horsemen for Kemp. I’m not willing to give up decent prospects for a half-ass SS that will only be around for a yr or two. I would rather pay the $1.5-2M for A-Gon.
by CaliforniaBrave on Nov 8, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Gonzo's gonna get a better deal for that
either more money or longer-term. I’d almost guarantee it.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
^than that, not for that
sorry. Typing too fast.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
IIRC, in that interview...
…Wren made a comment about liking Gonzalez but Gonzalez wanting a multi-year deal, which we did not want to do.
I thought he said not enough at bats for a stud OF, that kind of leaves Kemp out of the conversation. Sounded like he wants to keep Prado and get a better 4th OF to me.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Ok... Maybe I got too excited....
I hope he keeps Prado. I really think he will bounce back this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he came out and hit .300 with 15-20 HR’s. Maybe we’re going to pick-up Andruw Jones??? That would be really interesting. He’s a RH bat who is no longer an everyday player. I think I may be on to something here!
by CaliforniaBrave on Nov 8, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Andruw
Andruw Jones – Sure, what team doesn’t need a .230 hitter that strikes out twice as much as he walks?
- ChillyMutt
That's not entirely fair
If we picked up Andruw we’d platoon him. Look at his numbers against LHP:
.286/.384/.540/.923
Of course, he still strikes out more than he walks, but for a .923 OPS I can forgive that. And you don’t have to guess how bad his numbers against RHP must’ve been to drag that down to a .230 average on the year.
Also of course, we probably won’t pick him up unless we do something with Diaz, in spite of the fact that Diaz had a horrible year last year.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
"If we picked up Andruw we’d platoon him"
with who?
I hope not Jason Heyward. Bourn as our leadoff man also deserves everyday at bats. So that leaves LF and right handed Martin Prado, you don’t platoon righties with righties. So he’d be a backup for when Chipper goes down, not a platoon imo. Unless we signed a Grady Sizemore for LF and dealt Prado. But as the roster currently sits, the only potential platoon partner for Andruw would be Heyward, and that’d be a bad idea imo.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Sorry
didn’t really mean we’d put him in a platoon, just meant we’d only use him in instances where he had the platoon advantage. He’d be the new Diaz – he comes in when someone needs a day off and we’re facing a lefty, or he pinch-hits against lefties late in the game… etc., etc.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Wren’s statements seem to imply that, yes, a potential platoon partner for Heyward is part of what they’re looking for in their corner OF RH bat.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Doesn’t hurt to cover all of your bases. If Heyward doesn’t bounce back for some reason next year, we’re in trouble.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Just acquire Cody Ross and be done with it!
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Cody Ross!!??
Never liked that guy. Ever since he had a good series against the Phils he extends his swing like McGuire, flips his bat like he’s Barry Bonds, and skips like Galarraga after every HR. The guy’s like 5’9’’ 120 lbs!!!
by CaliforniaBrave on Nov 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, he can’t say he intends to make Prado a super-ut bench guy because that totally devalues him for trade purposes.
I don’t think that changes how other teams would value him in any way. Infante was super-utility for us and the Marlins still traded for him to play 2B.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 8, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't think he gets traded unless something great is presented.
JJ on the other hand will be gone before Thanksgiving.
by CaliforniaBrave on Nov 8, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
However FW might plan on using him
We can anticipate on Fredi not changing his usage of Prado at all, if Prado is still here.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Dodgers might be willing to trade him but,
I doubt they will take that trade. We would have to include JJ and one of our top 3 prospects. He is going to be the MVP most likely. They are going to get more out of him if they decide to trade him.
"Whoever said nothing was impossible, obviously has not tried slamming a revolving door."
by A_Patrick_Tactic on Nov 8, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody will trade with the Dodgers...
until the McCourt mess is settled. Otherwise, you run the risk of the trade being invalidated by a court order.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Now that the Dodgers are up for sale...
…the court order issue probably becomes less of a problem, but you don’t trade your superstar when you are trying to sell the team; the lame duck administration, if you can even figure out what it is (courts, McCourt, MLB, some combination thereof), is not going to do that.
Short term SSs....
Stephen Drew is heading in to the last non-option year of his deal. Interesting, interesting. King?
I think Erick Aybar might also fit that short term control description.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I like Drew.
Make it happen Wren!
"Whoever said nothing was impossible, obviously has not tried slamming a revolving door."
by A_Patrick_Tactic on Nov 8, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m here.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 8, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Drew is a dangerous one-year option.
For starters, it is not known when he will be healthy enough to play. Also, the D-Backs like him and have not shown any interest in trading him (and their GM is a bit nutty).
He has a huge contract. Don’t see it happening.
by Scott Coleman on Nov 8, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
That contract definitely takes him out of the short term realm
being signed through 2015 with a 2016 option.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
So, basically they want Andruw Jones for LF?
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Basically,
Frank Wren wants everyone to think that trading Prado would be far less than ideal for him, because he is so valuable to the team with his abilities and his versatility.
So basically, he’s going to be making calls and listening to offers but also maintaining leverage in negotiations because he’s awesome at this stuff.
I think we’ll see Jurrjens and Prado traded, but I just don’t know what the heck Wren has planned after that.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
I don’t think we’ll see either JJ or Prado traded. Possibly Prado but it sounds like the Braves value JJ way higher than his skills actually are.
Where did you get that? I think you’re reading the things from certain comments and/or rumors.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
that's supposed to read
you’re reading the wrong things from certain comments or rumors
The Braves know how good Jurrjens actually is, but they want to get the best possible return for him. There’s a lot of posturing in this time of the year. You have to be able decipher the actual meaning of Wren’s comments, or at least attempt to, while also acknowledging that none us really knows anything.
I can tell you this, though, Frank Wren is as shrewd as they come, and I’d be willing to bet my left hand that he does not “value JJ way higher than his skills actually are”. Also, last thing, that comment has negative implications pertaining to Jurrjens’ abilities, and I think you should take a long look at the numbers. His ERA is misleading, sure, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a ton of value as a young pitcher with excellent upside.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
Based on these comments:
Expect the Braves’ signing of Jose Reyes to be announced by the end of the week.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
Is Jermaine Dye still alive?
Dude can probably still hit some bombs.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
Last thing we need is yet another player who can't play defense.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Who needs defense in LF?
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 9, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's not as important there as other places
But there is a level of bad defense that can absolutely cancel out any positive value Dye’s bad brings to you. He’s pretty horrible.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Not like he’d be the regular there. Just some spot starts and pinch hitting mostly. We have Diaz to start if we need it.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 9, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think at this point
Drew could crush both of his legs in a car accident and we’d still want him signed just for the sake of that sig.
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by duwanis on Nov 8, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the first half of the season JJ was the best SP in the NL
Now he’s on par with what we got fir a 30’s javy Vazquez? JJ is only 25 and his best years are ahead of him, why would we deal him so short? What other pre-prime All Star SP is available
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Nov 8, 2011 6:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dubious that his trade value is going to be any higher than it was last summer
and it’s still pretty high now. We can hope he has a great start again this year, but that’s dicey. The longer we wait to trade him, too, the less team control we’re offering to the trading team.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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So, if Wren is being honest here, we’re probably looking for a shortstop on the trade market. And then we’ll add a fourth outfielder and keep Prado in LF.
ZOMGZ FRANK WREN IS ALWAYS HONEST YOU CAN TAKE EVERYTHING HE SAYS AT FACE VALUE
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No kidding. We’ll probably move Mac to shortstop and call Bethancourt up to be the Opening Day catcher.
by Scott Coleman on Nov 8, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Pfft
Freeman to SS, McCann to 1st, Terdo mans the dish until Bethancourt is ready.
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So perfect it needed to be said twice.
by traderchris on Nov 8, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
CHRIS HEISEY ! Perfect fit for this team
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Lol wow I love that idea, brilliant
by traderchris on Nov 8, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Keith
Moreland
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
Keith
Richards
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Keith
Urban
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Keith
Sweat
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 9, 2011 6:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Toby Keith
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby
Keith Olbermann
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 9, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Keith Carradine
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Keith
Tkachuk
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Keith
Moon
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 10, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Moon
Unit Zappa
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 10, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
C-C-C-C
Combo Breaker!
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Now it’s the 2nd dumbest.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not bench...but not starter.....
Ok…not advocating these choices..but they could fall into the category described:
Hairston (either one). Scott can play LF and has a little more pop. Jerry can play all over the field.
Ross: He has proven that he can have decent years…and bad years. You hope for the decent year.
Nady: The Braves were high on him a couple of years ago.
Reed Johnson
Headley-Can play 3B or LF. Not sure he is really someone they would trade.
Ludwick
Coco Crisp (I think I actually like the idea of him hitting in the #2 hole?)
Frenchy (Had to mention it as he fit the profile)
Too be honest there aren’t THAT many options in a RH bat.
Yeah, this is exactly why that statement from Frank is such a head-scratcher. If it’s an honest statement, he’s almost gotta have somebody in mind from that list (and in my mind, that’s Reed Johnson, I guess).
But the only exciting thing about that is keeping Prado. And that’s not terribly exciting since everybody around us is trying to get a lot better (granted, the Fish and Nats have a ways to go, but supposedly they’re gonna be trying).
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Full Audio of Tuesday Frank Wren interview
1. Go to this link.
2. Scroll about one page down.
3. Look at the sidebars on the right side of the page…. specifically “MLB on Facebook”
4. In that pane, search for the Frank interview and click the Arrow button to start it.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
by carpengui on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Frank Wren told us indirectly that they are NOT pursuing Jimmy Rollins or Jose Reyes because they are not looking to sign a SS to multiyr dl
wouldn’t be the first time Frank Wren did the rope-a-dope.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
It would make sense that he's trying to trick people
seeing as how we have neither the money nor the need to sign either of them. They’re a perfect fit!
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
not saying he is specifically going for those two...but if he was going for them, or any other player...why drive up the demand by stating it publicly?
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Why be coy about whether or not we're going after them
when there’s no reason for us to go after them?
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Bourn
Did Wren say anything about Bourn? I would think extending his contract would be a priority.
Prado and JJ was a head fake … misinformation. Hanson is gone this Fall/Winter. Book it.
- ChillyMutt
Tend to agree
When Wren was talking about Prado backing up Chipper when his knees get balky, it screamed “Prado will not be traded”. Then he backed it up by saying “not enough AB’s” for a full time LF. I’m thinking Hanson will be in Boston come April. We’ll get Lowrie or more likely, Scutaro and a decent prospect.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Would Hanson and Salcedo be an overpay for Lowrie and Middlebrooks?
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
I'm going to go with
Yes.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
Now that you mention it, no, I don’t think his name ever came up in the interview at all.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
I wonder how much of a priority we have on resigning him
I doubt we’re even going to talk about it this offseason, but we might see talks about resigning him begin after next season ends. He would be worth potentially a good bit of money at this point-maybe his value comes down.
Do we have any potential CFer for 2013? Todd Cunningham, Matt Lipka, Mycal Jones…I’m guessing that’s it. Mycal may not be able to hit or play center, Lipka hasn’t hit yet, and Cunningham isn’t quite a good enough hitter or fielder. So we’re really short on potential there.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Anybody like Jed Lowrie...
and Kolbrin Vitek? Lowrie will most likely be on the bench again this year and Vitek is a young 3rd baseman drafted in the 1st round by the Red Sox in 2010. Lowrie would be an upgrade with the bat and getting on base. His glove wouldn’t be as good as Sea Bass’s but would be an upgrade overall I think. Red Sox could use SP clearly.
Does anyone around here like Jed Lowrie...
Funny you should ask… I don’t think we like him around these parts… Mostly overrated… there’s no way we match up w/ the red sox either… they need pitching and we are definitely at a deficit there… :-D
Don’t worry about older women until you turn 22. It’s called the Saltalamacchia.
by bwellnjonesco on May 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT
by Klemson Krash on Nov 9, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Heard this yesterday driving to lunch and ended up missing lunch. Honestly, the interview didn’t sound revealing of anything at all…we all know Wren’s tendency to keep things ‘hush, hush’ regarding transactions. The only thing I got from it specifically was that they weren’t looking to go the multiyear deal for a SS. I’m sure he was shooting down the chances of pursuing Reyes or Rollins. And that they were looking for a guy who could play LF WHEN PRADO WAS PLAYING THIRD. I’m almost positive Prado will be with the team for Spring Training. He also bragged a lot about the starting pitching depth which tells me he is dangling them out there but no one specific…JJ is probably the best one to dangle though given all circumstances.
So to sum it all up….I got absolutely nothing new.
by michaeldlee1480 on Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions
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