Braves Could Have A Higher Payroll In 2012
by gondeee on Nov 6, 2011 2:41 PM EST
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PrintAs fans of the Atlanta Braves we know that Frank Wren is doing all he can to make next year's team stronger than the one that collapsed down the stretch this year. He got creative and moved quickly to rid himself of as much of Derek Lowe's contract as possible. Initial off-season reports after that seemed to indicate the Braves would make very few moves, but that's not what Ken Rosenthal is hearing:
The Braves are up to something. How can they not be after their historic collapse in September?
No one should be immune from trade discussions. And, apparently, no one is.
Yes, the Braves would move right-hander Jair Jurrjens and left fielder Martin Prado, the two players whose names surfaced in trade discussions with the Royals, according to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star.
Heck, the Braves would trade just about anyone for the right price - and moving Jurrjens, in particular, could make sense.
In addition to making trades to secure better pieces, and create openings in the rotation for their talented young starting pitchers, the Braves ownership may also be (finally) giving the team (and their fans) some relief by increasing the self-imposed salary cap. Once again, here is Rosenthal:
The Braves operate at a different financial level and, sources say, intend to increase their payroll from $87 million, their Opening Day figure last season.
That is EXCELLENT news! Liberty Media, the team's "owner," has mainly been hands off, which has allowed the baseball people to make mostly good baseball decisions without meddling owners getting involved. But that hands off approach has also meant that the owners don't really seem to be personally invested in whether the team has the resources to compete in a division where more teams are spending more money.
Creating salary space by trading Lowe, and possibly Jurrjens, while also being allowed to raise their overall salary total could give the Braves significantly more money to spend this off-season than what was previously thought. The beat writers and bloggers presumed that the Braves had about $10 million of additional money to spend after trading Lowe, and after all estimated arbitration raises were accounted for.
Now consider that if they are able to trade Jurrjens, that's another $5 million. We won't know how much Liberty will allow the team to expand their salary total, but I'll venture a guess that it's somewhere between $5 and $10 million. Add all that together and the Braves could possibly have somewhere between $20 to $30 million to spend this off-season. That's enough money to make a significant splash in the free agent market if they choose, but more likely it's enough money to greatly expand the possibility of players that the team could trade for this winter.
If all of this is accurate, then we could be in for a much more active off-season than previously thought, and we could see the Atlanta roster change much more than previously thought. I'm excited at this prospect of more cash to spend. It should be pretty apparent that the Braves will have to increase their salary total, stagnant for the past several years, to stay competitive with Philly, New York, and now Washington -- all of whom could spend more than the Braves next year.
Of course, the last time this front office had money to spend, they spent it on Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami. Hopefully they make better choices this time.
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i think ken is talking about...
the small increase that we already knew about
I’ve kind of been thinking the same thing Rosenthal said for a few days now.
Wren has something up his sleeve and I think this offseason is going to be nuts.
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We ended around 96 million and that’s where we’ll be again. That’s your increase, which still leaves around 10 million dollars. If Prado and Jurrjens are traded, that’s another 8-10 million. 18-20 million could be fun, but 30 million? No way it’s that high.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
by ryan c on Nov 6, 2011 3:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
15-20 mill could get us Reyes.
Braves attendance would go up and lots of Reyes jerseys will be sold. why am i obsessed with Reyes? he is damn good.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
that would be pretty devastating
I thought switch hitting furcal with decent obp and some speed left would be an incredible 1-2
Reyes in the 2 spot behind Bourn would be insane..
Especially with chipper hitting third.. I know some don’t think he has the averages for that, but he is a phenomenal situational hitter and would be able to do things to get the small runs in at the top of the lineup.
then we have the power and obps behind that
so we really would have what it takes to win both ways
rollins would be almost the same
only not as dynamic anymore
yeah it could but it won't
the braves still have other needs to fill
they can’t and won’t blow the budget on one player
Unfortunately
The Dodgers want Kemp too.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
For some reason I keep getting the feeling that the Braves will sign Rollins. I wouldn’t mind signing him for something like 3 years $33M. I know he’s injury prone and on the downside of his career, but he is still vastly better than Gonzalez.
While Reyes would be a nice player to have he is going to get priced out of the Braves range. I see him signing for 5-7 years at $13-15M a year.
Rollins would really only have to play SS for 1 year and then move to 3B or 2B when Chipper retires.
Rollins says he wants 5 years
and has been pretty adamant about not changing that
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
As the Rolling Stones said, You can’t always get what you want. No one will give him 5 years. He’ll be 33 before next season starts and hasn’t played in 150 games since 2009.
I like the guy and would like to have him on the team but for no more than 3 years.
But if you try, sometimes you might find you get what you need.
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Well some team will be willing to give him 4 years at least, maybe 5
especially with the weak crop of SS available in FA
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
Fix It and Sell It
Liberty Media could surprise all of you. Now that the tax hurdle has been passed (Big John Malone hates taxes) I would expect they are thinking of selling. What better way to jack the price up than to pour in some talent, go deep into the post season, and then sell high?
Everything I know about baseball I learned from Ernie, Skip, Pete, and Sutton.
Usually when you’re getting ready to sell a sports franchise you avoid giving out extra payroll and making long term commitments to players. It makes the team more attractive to buyers.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
that sounds like an over simplification
you CAN NOT SIMPLIFY THE PSYCHE OF A BUYER LIKE THAT
...yeah, you can
Owners are going to want to “do their own thing,” not come into a team where they’re handcuffed by the decisions of the previous owner.
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and to gondee's point
It does seem they might be as likely to make a trade and pick up salary as go after a free agent. I would almost tend to think its more likely
wow im thinking about it..
and rollins really does seem like a possibility..
He is a gold glove short stop, and that’s really important to us obviously.
He’s at a bit of a decline, so he shouldn’t come at too much of a premium (years or $s) –
especially with injury risks – but because we have such solid short stop prospects,
that’s a risk we can shoulder.
He knows how to play for a championship team, and then there’s…
the facts that he is
a switch hitter (with balanced splits)
a base stealer (30 last year)
and he has as much power as Gonzo (16 HR last year)
He’s also familiar with the NL east,
and could bring over some phillies intel…
I’d like to think it’s a real possibility that we sign for him.
the obstacle are the people willing to over spend
i've always wondered
i see on so many occasions in every sport a guy sign with a team that was in his prior teams division. (if i confused you, Werth from Philly to Wash or if Rollins signed with us)
Does this happen because the player is familiar with the division, most likely familiar with some of the member of the new team and, in most cases, won’t have to move too far?
or
Is it because the new team is more familiar with a player in their division and has a better read on him and figures he would have some rival intel?
easy answer is both so don’t go with that
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
The real answer, as far as I can figure
is that there are only 6 divisions, and the teams with the most money seem to be concentrated in two or three of those. So odds are good that if you look at big-figure signings, they’re going to stay concentrated in the East on average.
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I would much rather have him than Reyes.
Reyes is one of those guys who everyone is always after simply because of his raw talent and athleticism and no one seems to care that he’s both injury prone and a world class asshole.
That would be good news
I have been a proponent of keeping Prado. His versatility is like having 3 bench players and is a TEAM player and a great guy with a great attitude. I have confidence he will bounce back next year where ever he plays. But if we’re doing extreme make-over baseball edition, go for it.
Everybody’s talking about a new shortstop. What’s missing for me is a real clean-up hitter. Uggla is not that guy. He should have been benched before his slump reached 3 months. All seems to be forgiven after the 1 month streak, but the rest of his season stunk. He hit 36 homers but too many were solo shots and when guys were in scoring position he struck out way too much.
by BravesFanSince56 on Nov 6, 2011 4:26 PM EST reply actions
All seems to be forgiven after the 1 month streak, but the rest of his season stunk. He hit 36 homers but too many were solo shots and when guys were in scoring position he struck out way too much.
Huh???
Dan Uggla July – .293 .369 .586 .955
Dan Uggla Aug/Sept – .288 .376 .561 .936
Take your hater-glasses off and realize that Uggla was pretty much awesome from July on. He had more than a 1-month hot streak. He had a 1 month hitting streak, sure, but he remained hot through the end of the season.
And you do know that it’s not Dan’s fault that guys weren’t on base for his HRs, right? He has no control over that.
As to the quip about his hitting with runners in scoring position: .231 .322 .476 .798 – those are his season numbers, including his horrid 3 months at the start of the season. His lin without runners on? .230 .298 .481 .779.
He hit worse without runners on base than with them on.
And his HRs? 13 of them came with men on base.
Basically, what I’m saying is that you are 100% wrong about Uggla.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
you and those goddamn facts
ruining everyone’s right to their own opinions
by crimsonqueen9 on Nov 6, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
He still has the right to that opinion, he just can’t consider it to be a correct opinion. :)
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
+1
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
those numbers
look mighty similar to his numbers from last year… hope we see him all season next year with some awesome free agent signing.
Amongst other things you seem to be blaming Uggla for the actions of hitters in front of him.
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He didn’t have RBIs! CUT HIM!!!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have anything, other than unabashed hope
that indicates that this “payroll increase” is anything substantial and/or anything we hadn’t previously been counting on? For all we know “increased from last year” means we’re starting this year at about the same level we ended last year, which is a $9MM “increase.”
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Fixing this team is simple now that the Braves have a ton of money to spend
1. Move Chipper to LF
2. Prado stays at 3B all year
3. Trade Freeman for Adam LaRoche. The Nationals have Morse, they have no use for LaRoche and the Braves could really use more power in the lineup. Freeman just isn’t a power guy and LaRoche has more range.
4. Sell high on Constanza. I know he’s looked at as a huge part of the Braves future, but if he can land a guy like McCutchen or Kemp, why not make that trade?
5. Hanson to the bullpen. He will never pitch more than 5 innings anyway, make him the long-relief option and sign a guy like Jason Marquis to fill his spot in the rotation.
6. Make Hinske the every-day right fielder. He’s got grit and he’s a veteran who knows how to win. Heyward takes his spot on the bench or gets packaged for superstar Domonic Brown.
7. Brian McCann, Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, and Mike Minor for Carlos Santana. McCann is getting too old and those young arms are sure to flame out. May as well sell now, Santana is awesome.
8. Jair Jurrjens for Logan Morrison.
9. Logan Morrison for Ozzie Guillen.
by Undocorkscrew on Nov 6, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
A hobbled 40 year old to the OF? Freeman for LaRoche? Really? Who’s buying Constanza? Hanson to the BP? What? Hinske showed what he does when he has to play everday.
Wow.
by michaeldlee1480 on Nov 6, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
LOL.
…. LOL.
I really can’t tell if you’re serious.
The Pirates are not going to trade Andrew McCutchen - please stop suggesting this.
If you couldn't tell by the time you got to #9
Then please stay out of rosterbation threads in the future, they won’t be good for your mental health.
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Was just having a bit of fun
Aside from #9, I have read all of those proposals since game 162……
by Undocorkscrew on Nov 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m one of the ones who said I would do JJ for LoMo. There may need to be some prospects thrown one way or another, but I don’t think that’s a ridiculous suggestion at all. The only question is if they want another pitcher, and if I’m not mistaken I read somewhere that they do.
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10. ???
11. PROFIT!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with remodeling the team, free up money, but Braves need that high profile player!
The Braves need to fire Feddie G ASAP! His resume speaks volumes of failure. Roger McDowell needs to be let go as well. I recommend putting TP as the New Manager, have Tom Glavine as pitching coach, bring in Greg Maddox as bench Coach. Put people in place that know how to WIN, instead of keeping the failed leaders in place. Two weeks away from the end of lst season and all the players except Chipper looked liked they were mentally out of it. Freddie has got to go!
Thank God Derek Lowe and Nate Mac are already gone. The Braves have a chance right now to pave the future. The Braves can make some good salary room to land a current and future All-Star. The following Braves need to go for this to happen. Martin Prado, Dan Uggla, Matt Diaz, and I hate to say this but Tim Hudson as well.
Dan Uggla is a great #5 or #6 hitter. His career batting average and yearly RBI totals are not eye popping. His HR’s and K’s are. Trade Uggla and free up some good dollars. There is a second baseman named Aaron Hill that would fill in just nicely at second and brings more to the table. Uggla provides HR’s and alot of K’s. Hill brings Batting average, Speed, Defense, lower K’s and a little pop.
Diaz just stinks, Prado and Freeman can get the Braves some talent and save on payroll. Tim Hudson is the key to the future. He is carrying alot of salary and he is not getting any younger. Hudson already had “The Surgery” and recovered well, but if he dares put up a Derek Lowe type year next year, the Braves are going to be so screwed. If I were the Braves GM, I would trade these players and bring up the Minor League Prospects. It is time to see where they are at. The Braves need to focus on an offensive game changer that is consistant. The Braves lineup could look like this.
1. Bourn
2. Hill
3.Chipper
4.Prince Fielder
5.Michael Cuddyer
6.Brian McCann
7.Jason Heyward
8.Rookie
9.Pitcher
I feel this lineup is possible but requires a serious attack from Frank Wren at the winter meetings.
by TheScar on Nov 7, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is brilliant work. Can’t do anything but rec it. Love the upgrade at second in particular.
This team should be affordable and full of promising players that won’t suck for the first three months.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
OGT
is back in full swing. I love the Hot Stove League!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 8, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Uh...
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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Frank Wren is pissed.
I love it.
The Pirates are not going to trade Andrew McCutchen - please stop suggesting this.
The general mood of that post was so uplifting,until you reached the end lol
Once Derek Lowe was traded right off the bat, that sent a huge shock into my system. I beleive that is when I knew Frank Wren was not going to play games this off-season.
He is being oddly aggressive, and it is most likely due to the negotiations of Frank Wren that Liberty Media is giving this raise.
I certainly hope 30mil is an accurate statement. That would be incredibly mind-blowing. Although I’m thinking upwards 20mil. is most likely the figure we fans will see.
Whatever the case,sly Franky is not playing any games. This off-season he means business. Its completely obvious last September pissed him the heck off. I truly beleive, without purposing Kemp or Pujols, that us fans can get ready for some kind of extremely creative move on the horizon from Mr. Wren.
I’m looking for something along the lines of JJ being traded for something around a top prospect and a young OF’er. Then I have a gut feeling the next move will be the splash. Hopefully it will be for a slick young SS, but I guess we just have to wait and find out.
I was thinking this was going to be a ho-hum off-season with getting rid of D-Lowe as our big and most exciting move, maybe resigning A-Gon, and adding a Mark Derosa. Now nothing at all would be wrong with that, but all the signs are pointing to something quite a bit more interesting.
I for one, along with many others I’m sure, cannot WAIT to see what Mr. Wren’s next trick and trade will be. What a GM we have, and I would not trust the team in any other GM’s hands. Not many GM’s can do what he has done, the moves he has made, the players he has received/signed, the drafted guys/international FA signings, with the limited funds he has. Most even, with larger pockets, do much much worse. IN WREN WE TRUST, now make it happen!!
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by chicagobullies on Nov 6, 2011 5:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A source other than someone pretty high up in the Braves’ hierachy would not have justified Rosenthal’s article and such a source speaking off the record has to be suspected of false flagging, i.e, attempting to deceive the enemy (other GMs) or the public (susposedly savvy journalists), a/k/a, foisting propaganda on whoever might be favorably influenced by it, in an effort to covertly influence the trade market.
Perception is reality. And if the reality is that we have just dumped salary and are apparently looking to move additional salaries in order to create payroll flexibility, we are operating from a position of weakness. So, if FW can float out intel that may change the perception and favorably impact our chances of making some significant trades, it doesn’t really matter if its accurate or not.
In short, I’m skeptical.
We didn’t dump salary. We dumped Lowe. There’s a huge difference.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
C’mon, man, be real. Although it is a true fact that we had no need for Lowe, the pitcher, the much larger problem than him clogging up our bullpen, was the $15 M. We gave him away to generate $5 M in found money.
But it was more than just a salary dump. In fact, we are so willing to NOT have Lowe in our rotation next year, that we are paying Cleveland $10M to take him.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
The point that I was making that every GM and every executive in MLB had to consider it as primarily being a salary dump because, in fact, that was the fundamental reality of the matter. Obviously, given his performance and all of our the young ML ready pitchers, we had no need to keep him and Wren was very smart to get out in front of it and announce he wouldn’t be in the rotation next season. But, seriously, do you really think it escaped anybody’s attention that all of our young ML ready pitchers happen to be cost controlled or that Lowe’s 2012 salary was a fixed cost, an absolute liability on our books, and that, therefore, since the money was already spent, the economic impact of the transaction was to benefit the Braves to the tune of a cool $5 M (minus the $400 K to be paid to the replacement pitcher).
So, no, it was an obvious salary dump.
Or that if we had a farm system of arms like the Phillies
that we’d have still had Lowe around with no one else to turn to filling the void at league minimum.
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Exaggeration
It was already reported by DOB and Bowman that payroll would increase slightly. It is probably the exact same news. Most likely 3-5 million, and given that it was 91 million in 2011, expect 95ish at most. With the following contractual obligations:
Jones – 14
Uggla – 13.2
McCann – 10
Lowe – 10
Hudson – 9
Bourn – 7(arb. estimate)
O’Flaherty – 2.5(arb. estimate)
Diaz – 2
Ross – 1.625
Hinske – 1.5
Total – 70.825 million in 10 players
15 players at an average of 450K – 6.75 million
That’s a total of about 77.5 million. With around 95 million, we’ve got around 20 million to use. If you want to do it from just the guaranteed contracts, then it’s more around 25 million.
Prado to the Red Sox
I think sending Prado to the Red Sox for Jed Lowrie and RH reliever Alfredo Aceves would be a great trade. They might not be willing to give up Aceves but if we could get a good RH corner outfield prospect playing at AA or above I might be willing to do that too.
Trades
Teams that need pitching – AL: LAA, Tex, KC, NY, Boston. NL: Col, Chi.
Teams that need Prado: 29 other teams.
I think it makes sense to trade both and sign a big bat for left field.
29 other teams – plus the Braves – need Prado, which is why it makes no sense to me for him to be traded unless we can get a clear win on the trade.
As I’ve repeatedly said, he is not untouchable, but a trade that actually makes sense for us may be very difficult to accomplish.
Personally, I would have no problem with the Braves paying him $5 M even if he didn’t have a definite position in the starting lineup. It looks to me like FW may be leaning the other way because of financial constraints – all happy talk aside.
2012
McCann, Freeman, Uggla, Pastornicky, Jones, Beltran, Bourn, Heyward
Ross, Hinske, Diaz, Punto, Hairston Jr.
Hudson, Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Delgado or Teheran
Kimbrel, Venters, O’Flaherty, Vizcaino, Medlen, Varvaro, Martinez
• The Braves will listen to offers for Martin Prado, and given the attention currently being lavished on Michael Cuddyer in the free-agent market, this should make Prado very popular.
An AL official on Prado: “He’s like a younger Cuddyer — and might be a better hitter.”
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Pujols, Kemp, and Reyes
We’ll be set!
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
by leedawg on Nov 6, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We obviously have enough money now
Rosenthal said so!
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by duwanis on Nov 6, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Rosenthal is NEVER wrong!
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
he is never as wrong as his ties, that's for sure.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Which he sells for charity
so, I’m ok with it.
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world series
Go all in for Kemp, sign Rollins, get DeRosa ,set back and watch the young pitchers excell, with the luxuary of run support, we will have 5, 15 plus winners at starting, and an elite bullpen with Kimbrel, Vinters, O’Flaraty, Martinez, Medlin, Viz and Varvaro.
bravesfan1957
by rwh41360 on Nov 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Me and my friend decided we'd be set
if we could just get Kemp, Rollins, and… DeRosa? WTF?
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If you're going to smoke a big bowl full of wishful thinking
go all out.
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Rec’d for 12 commas in one sentence.
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Seriously
of the 7 pitchers he named, 3 are misspelled and one is abbreviated.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
He must have a poster or a jersey.
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad. When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now, the passion fruit.
Wait, are the young pitchers going to be set back or are they going to excel?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I’m getting a strange look from my SNCO for laughing by myself in the office.
Well done!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 7, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Much like the Braves drove up the price on Pence and Beltran
Maybe we can pretend to have th e funds and also drive up the price on Cuddyer??
That way whoever gets him, will likely have to overspend and if its the phillies, this could cause them to loose out on either Rollins or Madsen. …Just a thought….
But I am glad that the Braves are not going after Josh Willingham…he does fit some needs but never have I rlly been high on the guy…
I’m rlly hoping for a JJ swap for a high prospect at either SS or 3B. Or Maybe a JJ for S.Drew?? That would be nice both players r coming off of injuries, and S.Drew could man the SS position for a few years.Then we add a LF’er whoever we can likely a power hitter.Then just sure up the BP with a veteran RH arm, and this team could very well be set def. for the playoffs, most likely further barring injury.
Our staple of SPers would be amazing.Our BP = amazing, and Bench Depth = Amazing as Prado would be the super utility, Hinske, Ross, backup SS, Diaz,etc. And a lineup of:
Bourn
S.Drew
Chip
Mac
Uggla
FF
J-Hey
LF’er
Now that would be one heck of a lineup.Completely Solid top to bottom. Even if the LF’er was Prado.It would still be a lineup with #‘s 1-8 all capable of hitting .260 and above., and 7 of the spots all having the ability to hit atleast 15 HR’s.
I could prolly ramble on for days, next yr is going to be extremely exciting, and this off-season has already got the adrenaline pumping for what next year may hold.
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by chicagobullies on Nov 6, 2011 9:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jurrjens wouldn't be enough for Drew
I’d love to see Drew with the Braves, but it would take more and I seriously doubt the Dbacks trade him unless they’re season is over at the deadline next year.
by Undocorkscrew on Nov 6, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
It didn't
But thanks for playing?
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Translation:
McLouth’s buy out was spent out of last year’s budget but wouldn’t have shown up on the official payroll.
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
I actually think we shouldn’t do a lot of spending this offseason. I instead think we should keep 5-7 mil in the bank for a mid season acquisition.
by drumzalicious on Nov 6, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Obviously, we are going to spend any remaining cash on such bullpen stalwarts like Linebrink and Proctor.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 7, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I see all these comments, but who exactly will replace and surpass Prado.
He had 1, count them, 1 bad year. He had an unfathomable injury. I am not saying “don’t trade him”, just what’s the hurry? Why so much dislike now? Just asking, because there are not many inexpensive replacements. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Senator, we have another old saying,"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." Fletcher
It's not about a dislike of Prado
I don’t think anyone could dislike the guy. Hes everything you could want in a baseball player.
The trouble is, he’s a man without a position on this Braves’ team. If they see him as a LFer, that decreases his value to the club a lot. If they use him as a Super U kind of guy – his value is maximized, but do you really want to pay a Super U guy $5-6M?
Realistically, there are only 2 places that the Braves can upgrade the offense – SS and LF.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 7, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t disagree with a single word. But I’d rather keep Prado anyway. “He’s everything you could want in a baseball player”. Maybe LF’s not maximized, I don’t care. For $4.4 – 6M, the numbers I’ve heard for Prado, I like having his versatility on the team.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Agreed
I’m ok with Prado’s price tag whether it’s LF or Super U. As far as his role as utility guy, seeing that he will most likely be spelling Chipper & Uggla (if Dan will ever take a day off, that is), keeping those guys fresh & able to produce at their max efficiently coupled with the production Prado himself would bring is an offensive upgrade in it’s own right.
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How about the cuban defector Yoennis Cespedes
Plays CF, can play corners, 5-tool player, compared to Trout, with just less speed, but more power and arm. His contract is expected to be like Aroldis Chapman’s.
The PuertoRican Kid
looks good 2 me.make it happen Wren
but in reality that really does not seem like a move Wren would make. Not saying he hasn’t before,but it seems as if he has relatively given up on spending big on Int.FA singings. Why?? I have no idea. It is not like the Braves have gotten screwed on their INt. FA deals.unless you count KK.
But these type of players would not even dream of getting that amount of mula.
Do I want Wren to go after him? Yes
Should Wren go out and get him? Yes
Will Wren go out and get Cespedes? I would be HIGHLY shocked and pretty damn near wet my pants if he does!!
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by chicagobullies on Nov 7, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Yankees have made it clear they're very interested in Cespedes
Do we want to get in a bidding war with the Steinbrenner wallet?
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And how many mid 20s Cuban hitters have panned out?
Guys like Ramirez and Morales were young when they entered our systems if I’m not mistaken.
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I'm guessing this guy's a little different
since everyone considers the writing to be on the wall that he’s going to get a $30MM deal. I haven’t really looked into the scouting stuff, though.
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Aroldis Chapman got that too
and I’d hesitate to say he’s been worth it so far. He may prove to be down the line, and don’t get me wrong, the K rate and unhittableness is great, but that walk rate is a potential problem and needs to go down before he becomes worth that deal.
Maybe it’s the Japanese big money players that has me wary of high dollar deals for mid-late 20s (because he says 26 doesn’t mean he is) for foreign players. But at that price, I’d let another roll those dice.
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At $30MM
Do we really have a choice on whether or not we let another team take him, regardless of whether he’s worth it?
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I'd assume that's not yearly,...
and with Lowe being moved as well as possibly Jurrjens, and the payroll increase rumored, we’d have the salary room if this was the guy we thought would be our solution to the long standing temp agency that’s played LF. If it’s 6 yrs, $30m, yeah we can afford that and be in on the bidding; if he’s deemed worth it.
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I suppose that's fair
I’m just worried about our inevitable cashflow issues when Uggla’s getting paid more and Hanson/Freeman/Heyward/Kimbrel/Venters/etc. start getting salary hikes.
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What's the deal with Cuban?
Does he actually spend more on the Mavericks than they’re worth? (I don’t follow the NBA and can’t readily find that kind of information.)
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This. It’s a 50/50 chance that Yu Darvish will be a bust like most of the other Japanese imports have been over the course of the years. They’re saying that if he posts, he’ll get a deal similar to Dice-K.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 7, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Pardon the rosterbation...
So, let’s just say that we trade both JJ and Prado. That would free up another, what, $10 million (?), on top of the $10 million we already have available. $20 million bucks to acquire a SS and LF, sign are arb guys (2 of which would be gone in Prado and JJ), and probably add the dreaded “veteran arm” in the bullpen. So that’s 3 guys.
Braves sign Jose Reyes – 6 years, $90 million. Avg salary of $15 million per year.
Braves trade JJ, and Prado to Texas for Nelson Cruz (arb salary of $4.082 million in 2012, per Fangraphs. Team control until after 2013 season).
That leaves less than a million for the arbitration guys – Bourn, Hanson (?) and EOF, unless Liberty Media throws us a few extra bucks. Discuss….
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
No Reyes.
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Reyes would change our lineup like very few can.
I’d like a deal of 6/90m. The only problem for me is, Reyes hasn’t had a full season since 2008. But what a season it was: 37 2b, 19 3b, 16 hr, 56 sb, .297/.358/.475/.833
He’s always got something bothering him lately, which is very worrisome. Can’t have two players only playing 130 games per season.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
When he's in our lineup, yeah
Which, as you note, would probably not be very often. Not often enough to justify the deal he’s going to get (which I’m fairly certain is going to be better than 6/90 – he wants at least $100MM, and somebody’s going to give it to him).
I’m also generally opposed to having guys in our lineup that I’d feel compelled to root against, no matter how good their numbers are.
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hard to count out a 28yo star from bouncing back though.
so, maybe he ‘saves’ his legs and hits ‘only’ 50 doubles, 10 triples, and steals 30 bags. that would be very nice from the #2 spot.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I love how when it's guys we don't like
we should avoid them because they’re “injury prone,” but when it’s somebody we really want we all expect them to “bounce back.”
And it doesn’t matter what numbers he puts up, he’s going to be too expensive and he’s still an asshole. I don’t want him.
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OK...
How bout the trade portion of that post…Nelson Cruz in our lineup IS the droid we’re looking for; a fair inexpensive, right handed, power-hitting outfielder, and we’d have him for 2 full seasons before he hits free agency after the 2013 season.
Do you make that trade? Too much, possibly?
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by DolphinNation on Nov 7, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Should be “fairly” inexpensive…
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by DolphinNation on Nov 7, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I could be OK with that...
as long as we don’t overpay because of his postseason performance.
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Keith Law sez
2. Alex Gonzalez, SS: He has mistake power and can play shortstop, but he has posted an OBP below .295 in each of the last three years. As the 25th man on a roster, he’s a better choice than yet another right-handed middle reliever. As an everyday shortstop, he should drive fans to grab their pitchforks.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Mistake Power
lolz
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 7, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Some of the revenue is due to coming in second in division
There is a clause in the MLB revenue sharing that if a team comes in second in its division and not win the Wild Card, the team still gets part of the revenue in the post season similar to Wild Card winner. I am not sure how much percentage of the money that team recieves but I know it’s something.
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