Curious thought, trade idea and such...

Please repost on the current Rosterbation post… no need to do a new post for each individual idea.

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by carpengui on Nov 20, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions

(Ok, that sounded a bit rude….sorry… we do appreciate the input – we just try to control ‘posting sprawl’ in that way!)

"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11

by carpengui on Nov 20, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

i posted it there

but if you dont mind id like to keep it up here, was hoping to get some quick responses to take back to our site sometime this week, i feel like it may get lost in the shuffle on the rosterbation thread.

also no worries, i didnt take it as rude, we try to control it as much as possible over on our site as well.

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by C Shint on Nov 20, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions

he is from the Pirates site, i think visiting members should be posting theses things, as i would like to treat visiters with a bit more respect, for what it is worth (obviously my opinion is completely meaningless).

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by Swo12bv on Nov 21, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions

I agree and I find it bizarre to be looked at anyother way. Looking at the front page, the oldest story is 15 days old. I think it’s constructive that this poster came over from his teams website to discuss something with the fans of this site. Kind of the point of all this isn’t it?

by vooodooo on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions

Marte is interesting

Not that we have any good feelings evoked about prospects named Marte.

But sterlinds sub 4% walk rate and high K rate make his slash line look a little less impressive. I’d love to get him, but it would take more than just him to get Jurrjens. I’d ask for Tabata if I were Wren.

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Nov 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions

JJ for Tabata I'd like

I can’t see Pittsburgh doing it though.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions

so is Jose Tabata potentially on the market? and has he got a clean bill of health (- had a late season wrist injury)?

by fandave on Nov 20, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions

I doubt it.

He was just signed to a pretty team-friendly extension that buys out his arbitration years for $15M total. Of course, I don’t know much about the Pirate’s outfield prospects, so he could be expendable for all I know. If he is available though, I want FW to jump all over that opportunity.

by swainzy on Nov 20, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions

I also doubt Tabata is available

But I also doubted Mclouth would be 3 years go.

Both prospects mentioned by the OP (Marte and Presley) are ready to take over outfield spots fulltime, and the Pirates method has always been to trade away the established players once the prospects are ready to take their spot.

Tabata is a pipe dream at this point, but his potential to be a .360 OBP #2 hitter with speed still makes me salivate. Living in PA I watch Fox Sports Pitssburgh every now and then, and when Tabata is clicking he’s awesome.

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Nov 20, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions

Signing that extension has to take him off the table though

would we be willing to take a chance on Pedro Alvarez? He and Marte would be a nice start, although I’d probably want a little more for Jurrjens.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 20, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions

It would be crazy to suggest Alvarez being just a part of a deal 2 years ago when he was the #8 prospect in baseball, but boy has he been brutal in Pittsburgh. He could be a high-reward guy, but I think the Pirates still regard him as that #8 prospect, even higher than guys like Tabata. Would be unlikely to see him moved .

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Nov 20, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions

A kind of Alex Gordon?

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 20, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I think that is a good comp.

Too much potential to give away, but nobody is going to pay for him what they think he is worth, so he isn’t going anywhere.

by cavebird on Nov 20, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions

That's why I said him and Marte

is a pair of potential big winner lottery tickets worth Jurrjens? I’d say no, but if the scouts and front office see some things they like in both?

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

Not that I know of...

but if they’re asking for Jurrjens, that would be, I hope, Wren’s first request.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 20, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions

As a Pitt fan I can't see that happening

but it’s more of a PR thing than talent. Tabata has a Clemente tattoo for heaven’s sake and he just signed that extremely team-friendly extension partially due to his love for the team. He’s always hit for average and really seemed to learn how to take a walk this year under Hurdle. If he can ever stay healthy, all those combinations make him too valuable to the Pirates to trade at this point.

by Mr. E on Nov 21, 2011 4:28 AM EST up reply actions

After how bad Mclouth turned out for Atlanta isn’t anyone just a little worried to deal with the pirates? I’ve got a hunch the Braves front office is and they won’t be dealing with them for a while…not saying they blame the pirates, its not their fault Nate bummed out, just saying it’d probably feel like well what if it happens again…plus i think there are better options than Pitt anyway

by bravesfanldh on Nov 20, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions

Similar to the Yankees hesitancy with the Braves after Javier Vazquez.....

I remember hearing on MLBTR that their FO is wary of a trade with Atlanta again. Although, I imagine these scenarios over time fade and new GM’s may be a bit more aggressive.

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by cashew on Nov 20, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions

The McLouth deal didn’t really work out for either team.

Morton was decent this year 10-10, 3.83 ERA, 171.2 IP, 186 H, 110 K’s, and a 1.532 WHIP. Nothing special but not awful.

Hernandez is 24 and still hasn’t made it to the majors. He did have a good year at AAA though, .283/.348/.392 with 1 HR and 21 SB’s.

Locke is also 24 and was unimpressive at 3 levels last year AA-AAA and majors.

So basically we traded a number 4 starter who wouldn’t have been in our rotation anyway for an awful OF. The Pirates won the deal but didn’t really get that much.

by jack dein on Nov 20, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

oh i absolutely agree. Both teams lost there, but there’s no doubt that the braves were expecting an all-star outfielder in the trade and when they got back a guy who looked as though he wasn’t even ready for AAA, that’s why I say the Braves maybe a little hesitant. That said, if they deal with the pirates i’m sure it will be for prospects and hence your not necessarily expecting huge things from the guys you get, your obviously hoping, but maybe not expecting as you would with a proven player..so if thats the case then I can see them overlooking the past failures.

by bravesfanldh on Nov 20, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

Both the prospects were 23 when they put up those numbers

which changes things a bit, and we fully expect Charlie to be a good 3/4 for years to come after his mechanical changes this season.

Of course, I AM a Pirate homer.

by Mr. E on Nov 21, 2011 4:32 AM EST up reply actions

Pirates won the trade, but it was worth it at the time for Wren to do the trade. It didn’t pan out for the Braves, that’s the way it goes in baseball.

Morton is a solid cheap number 4/5 SP. He isn’t someone that I would be begging to have, but def a nice piece to a team. I’m ok with not having him, we have plenty of guys better than him going forward, but def helps out the Pirates team.

Gorkys Hernandez I used to be high on, but I don’t believe he will be anything special, probably just a decent to slightly above average MLB OF, not saying it is a terrible thing, but not what I once thought of him. Guy has a lot of speed, but can’t steal, he needs to be taught the art of stealing, or else it hurts his stock that much more. McCutchen is clearly your CF, so Gorkys would need to move to a corner, and that’s where his stock gets hurt even more, because I don’t buy him as a huge AVG or OBP type of hitter, and he def doesn’t hit homers. Probably be more of a trade bait kind of player, I guess we shall see.

Jeff Locke is a solid prospect, but nothing to be too excited about. At best likely a 3, but probably not. I would say a 4/5 in MLB if he is lucky. Again, we aren’t missing too much here.

Locke and Gorkys even if we had them now wouldn’t be a main trade piece for anyone, sure they would be extra ammo to get a player, but at the end of the day, none of these 3 players has made Braves fans or Wren think damn, how could we have made such a trade, we will regret it for years. They aren’’t saying it now, and I don’t think ever will. Pirates got the better end of the trade, but not by much.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Nov 21, 2011 5:02 AM EST up reply actions

Morton wasn't until this year

his first two seasons for Pittsburgh were pretty ugly.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 21, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions

I know. Point is even if he keeps up what he has done in 2011, we have better in house replacements. I don’t believe he will ever be more than a MLB 4.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Nov 21, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions

2 things working against this:

1) McLouth. Nothing against PIT, but I’d think we’d be hesitant to pull the trigger on another deal after the disaster that McLouth turned into after the deal. This prolly explicitly excludes Presley since he is physically similar to McLouth.
2) I’d think we’d be more interested in current MLB’ers over prospects. Tabatha is interesting, but is hardly the “Greinke-like” return for JJ that we’re rumored to be looking for. The combination of Tabatha and Marte – while talented – would prolly be too similar so they wouldn’t enhance each others value.

I really like Marte and would think he would be a nice fit as someone who could fit in LF fairly quickly and move over to CF if Bourne leaves as an FA. He’s got some holes to be sure (BB%, CS%) but he tore up AA and has legit CF tools. Personally, I wouldn’t mind a deal of centered around Delgado for Marte. Unfortunately, I’d doubt you’d find consensus on that though.

by theatlfan on Nov 20, 2011 4:52 PM EST reply actions

With his long time, cheap deal

Tabata for Jurrjens would be more than enough. But the Pirates wouldn’t do it.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 20, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions

it's ok

they would deal McCutchen instead

by Braves24 on Nov 20, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions

For who?

For me and you? Maybe. To Wren and the Brave’s FO? Not if the rumors are to be believed. Tabatha alone would definitely not make a “Greinke-like return”. Tabatha and 3 good to very good prospects is more what their looking for.

by theatlfan on Nov 21, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions

i m not quite sure what you mean by a Greinke like return

assuming you mean the return Greinke fetched the Royals, I’d say Tabata alone beats that (well maybe a middling prospect with it). There is, of course, no chance that the Pirates can afford to give up Tabata + good prospects, even if it was worth that much, which it isn’t in this case.

by BurgherKing on Nov 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions

I think the "Greinke like return" idea has been inflated

I don’t think Wren meant that he wants that level of talent in return for JJ (although maybe he did, I’m not a mind reader) – I just think he means he wants a similar kind of package (some ML-ready stopgaps and some prospects).

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by duwanis on Nov 21, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions

i see

that makes sense. Given the current org situations, I’m not sure they match up very well in trades. I don’t think the Pirates can afford to give up on Alvarez, or give up Walker, and their top prospects are non-ML ready pitchers, and the Braves already have plenty.

by BurgherKing on Nov 21, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed here...

I’d rather have Tabata than anyone the Royals got for Greinke. Maybe Odriozzi turns in to a star, but he wouldn’t fit the Braves needs, and Tabata >>>>> Cain or Escobar.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 21, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions

ive heard this twice in this thread

I personally find this a retarded way of thinking and absolutely not analogous with the Vazquez to Yankees situation. McLouth bummed out as a hitter. He got in a funk. There is absolutely no reason to associate that with the Pirates. Vazquez was mediocre before and after he pitched for the braves and brilliant for us. Why? Because we have a bad ass coaching staff that works really well with pitchers, we have the pitching genius, and so does Brian McCann… There is good reason to see a pitcher pitching for the braves at a higher level than he would be pitching elsewhere… I would loooove that stat, how pitchers do for the braves vs elsewhere since the start of the bobby cox era.

by willlinn on Nov 21, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions

agreed on most parts

but only if you can say that you wouldn’t ever hold something against someone if they burned you before…its a bit human on our end, and completely within the realm of possibilities that the yankees may not trade for a pitcher from the braves for a while considering they lost a possible #2 for a pitcher that did nothing for them…

by T V 1 2 on Nov 21, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions

its human but it is completely irrational to hold such a belief, past trades shouldn’t have any influence on future trades

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by Swo12bv on Nov 21, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions

well

certain past unexpected/unexplained human failures do not influence the probability of future human failures…(e.g. there is no reason to believe that if we traded for McCutcheon that he would suddenly fail to produce, like McLouth did when we traded for him).

However, past trades do affect future trades. For example, what the Royals got in return for Zack Greinke may well affect what other GMs perceive the value on the return for their similarly situated/able pitchers to be.

That is about as concise as I can state that concept while not losing any precision..

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by Santaklose11 on Nov 21, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions

I hate to agree and disagree at the same time because i see your point

but I also agree with Swo12bv as well in that the past shouldn’t conditionally change future decision making. its funny, this conversation reminds me of one with my grandpa…me arguing that he shouldn’t rely on the past and him saying that I will fail without recognizing it as the only valid truth that we know… That is why Wren wears the big boy pants, he gets to make decisions without the benefit of hindsight…

by T V 1 2 on Nov 21, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions

I think I was overbroad, there are clearly things you can learn from the past, but if you made a mistake in the past you shouldn’t assume that a decision (that in some respects may be similar) will fail

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by Swo12bv on Nov 21, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions

I'd do

Marte and Luis Heredia for Jair Jurrjens.

by Jay212033 on Nov 20, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions

While certainly not impossible

I just don’t see the Pirates trading away Tabata, in spite of his relatively disappointing season last year, since the team is trying to get away from the image of trading away its star players.
Marte, though, is a possibility. High BA (.332 last year, .309 career), good on the bases and defensively (18 outfield assists last year), so he could make a decent replacement for Bourn should he not be back in 2013.
That said, Marte hasn’t even played in AAA yet, so the Braves would have to be very careful here. Any trade involving Jurrjens-for-Marte would have to include at least one MLB player (Resop? kidding) and another, GCL or A level prospect or two to sweeten the pot.

by Uncle Mo's Family Feedbag on Nov 20, 2011 7:56 PM EST reply actions

If it wasn’t for Marte’s 3.8% walk rate last season I’d be stoked about the idea. I just can’t get past a walk rate that low. He walked 22 times in 572 plate appearances. And we think Gonzo is bad…

Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)

by ATLandUNC on Nov 20, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions

ow… that does make Jeff Francoeur look patient (5-5.5%) by comparison.

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by carpengui on Nov 20, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions

Marte, Allie, any AAA/MLB reliever not named Hanrahan?

by Mr. E on Nov 21, 2011 4:41 AM EST up reply actions

Therein lies the issue

The Pirates have an abundance of high-ceiling pitching prospects and middling AAA/MLB reliever-types, but the Braves are also rich in both things. I’m not sure what would pair with Marte to convince FW to move Jurrjens.

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by biggentleben on Nov 21, 2011 4:50 AM EST up reply actions

That's the thing

Wren isn’t desperate to trade Jurrjens, he will talk all day to see if he can find a match in a trade to better the 2012 Braves, but he isn’t going to just deal Jurrjens unless he really likes an offer. If you don’t get the right deal, then dealing Jurrjens would hurt the 2012 Braves.

I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT

by rockybull on Nov 21, 2011 5:04 AM EST up reply actions

Not much chance

Basically, you want to see one of the stud pitching prospects, expect the conversation to begin and end with Andrew McCutchen (yes, it’d take much more than one of the prospects, but that’s the only Pirate they’d be included for). Jurrjens would be movable for a guy like Marte, but he’s not really an overwhelming prospect, so I’d expect another very large piece coming the Braves’ way, Jurrjens isn’t a good fit for trade with the Pirates either. The prospects with enough helium to interest the Braves are all pitchers, which is what the Braves are heavy on right now.

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by biggentleben on Nov 21, 2011 4:09 AM EST reply actions

Thinking about trading for Pittsburgh OFers again, are we?

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by TurnerTheBurner on Nov 21, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions

your sentiment

reflects my opinion above but shoudln’t constitude a trend…they are heavy in of’s we are heavy in pitching, seems like a good match but the human element may keep us from pulling the trigger

by T V 1 2 on Nov 21, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions

LET'S GO PIRATES!

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by DolphinNation on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions

THANKS EVERYONE

THAT HAS SO FAR HAD SOME INPUT.

I appreciate it eh, keep it going.

Also, beside JJ who would some of you think be worth it in a trade for Marte. I doubt the Pirates would want Jurrjens since he will become a FA sooner rather than later and were still building for beyond 2013.

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by C Shint on Nov 22, 2011 11:31 PM EST reply actions

Actually, if the Pirates were going to talk trade with the Braves, they might inquire about the other JJ — Hoover, that is. Looking over Pittsburgh’s stats from last year, one thing that jumps out at me is that the Pirates’ staff was dead last in the NL in strikeouts. The starting rotation is pretty decent but they don’t go deep into games; you have a fine closer in Hanrahan, but you’re having trouble getting to him. A J.J. Hoover or an Arodys Vizcaino would appear to be more in line with the Pirates’ needs.

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by Cornutt on Nov 25, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah

I didnt think Vizcaino would be realistic enough as he is one of your “top” pitching prospects. I did make a mention to Hoover in the OP. And over on BucsDugout me and some others had a discussion about maybe making a deal for Mike Minor.

What do you guys think about acquiring Minor?

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by C Shint on Nov 26, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions

Unless the player joining the Braves is McCutchen

Minor won’t be involved. Not saying he’s untouchable, but there’s not a return on the Pirates that matches up for him outside a package for McCutchen.

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by biggentleben on Nov 26, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions

you really think Minor is that good?

I like Minor, but McCutcheon to me is a perennial All-star.

Is this a case where the value of a pitcher is naturally higher than a hitter or do you really think that highly of Minor?

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by Swo12bv on Nov 26, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions

I'd consider Minor for Tabata

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 26, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions

that seems more in line with my evaluation of Minor. if i were the Pirates, i wouldnt trade McCutcheon for any package, unless it was something ridiculous ( i.e. Teheran and Delgado and Simmons or something)…but I really love the dude, so maybe I’m crazy

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by Swo12bv on Nov 26, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions

Minor/McCutchen

I don’t think Minor is worth McCutchen, but I don’t know that the Braves would trade Minor straight up for Tabata (nor do I think they really should as I value Tabata less than others after looking at his peripherals backsliding when they should be showing adaption to the pro game), so the way the Bucs would have to deal in order to get Minor is to throw in the name Andrew McCutchen.

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by biggentleben on Nov 26, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions

Ya i don’t think a Tabata for minor deal straight up would be something i would jump on…maybe Tabata and a prospect…but like you say Tabata has yet to solidify his performance to the point where i trust him going forward.

I just don’t see a scenario where we give up Minor and a prospect of enough worth to equal McCutcheon… as a matter of fact to get McCutcheon it might take a Freeman/ Minor deal (IMHO).

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by Swo12bv on Nov 26, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions

BTW

I know I’m being “that guy”, but it’s McCutchen

I don’t think Minor would be the centerpiece of a deal. It’d likely be two of our top 5 arms and probably even another solid prospect.

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by biggentleben on Nov 26, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions

Minor, Delgado, Vizcaino, Terdoslavich, and Simmons/Pastornicky

and that still probably wouldn’t be enough.

We don’t match up well with the Pirates, although Tabata is appealing because of the deal he just signed, but then that makes him less likely for the Pirates to want to part with him.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 27, 2011 6:54 AM EST up reply actions

I agree

Just saying that’s the player we’d want back to move Minor, and they’d never move him for anything less than our entire top 10…lol

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by biggentleben on Nov 27, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions

I wouldn't go that far

you wouldn’t do Minor for Tabata and Pedro Alvarez? Cause I would.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 27, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions

Not sure yet on Alvarez

Enough to worry about for me to be wary for sure.

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by biggentleben on Nov 27, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions

no you are right its inexcusable to mispell a dude’s name especially when i have called people out for the same before.

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by Swo12bv on Nov 27, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions

I think the Pirates would listen. What else are you guys short on, maybe we throw in a mid level prospect with Tabata. I’m not high on getting Minor but that deal would seem reasonable to both sides.

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by C Shint on Dec 2, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions