Braves Make Several 40-Man Roster Moves
by gondeee on Nov 2, 2011 12:26 PM EDT
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PrintThe Atlanta Braves have started the process of opening up some spaces on their 40-man roster and protecting additional players from the Rule 5 draft. Four players were taken off the 40-man roster and outrighted to triple-A Gwinnett: catcher J.C. Boscan, pitcher Stephen Marek, and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Antoan Richardson.
No surprises here, Ramirez and Richardson likely do not figure into the Braves 2012 outfield plans at this point. Stephen Marek is still a good prospect, he ranks 10th on Talking Chop's top-10 Braves relief prospects for 2012, but he is recovering from Tommy John surgery and likely won't be ready until mid-year.
The Braves also added starting pitcher Todd Redmond to the team's 40-man roster. This marks the second time he has been added to the 40-man, as he was previously removed during the 2011 season. He would have become a minor league free agent had the team not added him to the 40-man, but he represents a decent piece of starting pitching depth in the system, so it makes sense for the Braves to keep him.
After these moves the Braves 40-man roster stands at 37, with three open spots. The Braves will open up more spots on the roster as players elect free agency. That process should clear Scott Linebrink, George Sherrill, Alex Gonzalez, and Jack Wilson, leaving the Braves with seven open spots.
The team will fill these spots with players they need to protect from the Rule 5 draft. Currently that's very few additional players (by my calculations). I can only think of two, pitchers J.J. Hoover and Jaye Chapman. That tells you how young the Braves organization is right now, and why they have room to add Redmond back to the roster.
This roster flexibility should allow them to add a few of those waiver claims they have been very adept at the past few years. Guys like Eric O'Flaherty, Anthony Varvaro, and Cristhian Martinez were all claimed off waivers from other teams.
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Brett Butts
I understand Brett is working extremely hard this off season in Atlanta and could be completely recovered from TJ surgery by Spring Training. His status could be a very interesting situtation for the Braves this winter. One would think if he is completely healthy he could make a run for the big league bullpen.
Who are the Braves most likely to target to increase
team’s overall offensive output? SS is an obvious position, but are there any viable options available?
War Eagle
I’m not one that likes the idea of pinpointing Alex Gonzalez as one that needs replacement. If everyone around him would hit, a SS should be doing exactly what Sea Bass did…play excellent defense and provide offense every once in a while.
And you can regurgitate his offensive statistics all you want as I am aware of them…but you could do a lot worse than someone who was legitimately in the running for a Gold Glove at arguably the most athletically demanding position in baseball. The fact that he wasn’t hitting during a season when frustration was at its peak with the offensive production of this team, it was easy to start pointing fingers at Alex. I think you could maybe put less reliance on him and get another PT guy to share the load there. I was very disappointed in Jack Wilson’s inability as I used to be a big fan of the guy and was a supporter of the move.
by michaeldlee1480 on Nov 2, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
If Heyward, Uggla, Prado, McCann and whoever was in CF had put out a consistent season, Gonzo’s offense would have been a non-issue. With Chipper at 3B and Uggla at 2B we need a defensive stalwart at SS. Gonzo put on a show at SS, I hope they are able to bring him back.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
agree 100%
If you’re expecting a career sub .250 hitter (sub .700 OPS) as a major force in your offense, you have waaay too many other problems.
right
I still would like to see if we can get an overall better SS, but I would have no problems bringing Sea Bass back as the everyday SS. Too many people had down years with the bat this past year.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I’m a little surprised to see Wilkin Ramirez cut loose. I thought he might get another look for the 4th OF role or at least serve as stand by depth in Gwinnett. I guess its possible he will stay on, but with his tools, my bet is another organization will grab him and he’ll be gone.
right, but I think he could be as just as productive or more so than Diaz, when defensive capabilities, speed and power are factored in.
"TOOLS"
A word used by scouts to cover up the ineffectual presence at the plate.
Sorry, just re-read moneyball and saw the movie last night. Tools is a dirty word to me right now.
by dcbravesfn on Nov 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just because some guys can be effective without tools
doesn’t mean that “toolsy” players don’t have any merit.
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40 men opening
Did the Braves already filled up the spot vacated by DLowe? The pitcher in return shouldn’t need to be on the 40 men roster.
by LEastCoastBears on Nov 2, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Lowe’s spot is one of the 7 open spots on the 40-man. I think the Braves should keep his jersey in the cursed locker next year.
from the article: Braves took 4 guys off (Boscan, Richardson, Ramirez, and Marek) then added 1 (Richmond), to go down by 3
Then you mentioned 4 spots for Linebrink, Sherrill, Wilson, and Sea Bass. Nate McLouth was on the 60 day DL (I believe so he doesn’t count) then what happened with Lowe’s spot?
by LEastCoastBears on Nov 2, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Peter Moylan was on the 60 day DL, so he didn’t count against the 40 man before. Before Lowe was traded there were actually 41 players on the 40 man roster.
At the start of the day there were 40 players on the 40 man roster, then 4 were taken off and 1 was added, leaving 37. Another 4 will come off when free agency starts, dropping the number to 33, leaving 7 open spots.
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thanks for the clarification…I forgot about Moylan (or rather the lack of the 60 day DL in the off season)
by LEastCoastBears on Nov 2, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
its getting boring
that talking chop copies everything ajc post
Then feel free to head on over there.
And stay a while.
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by king of games on Nov 2, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’d prefer to comment on their crappy comment system, then by all means, please do.
I had this story up before the AJC did, sooo that sounds like they’re copying me. OR it could be that every single Braves site posts the same news this time of year because that’s the only thing going on. It’s like during the season when the AJC has to go and recap all the same games we here at TC recap. HOW RUDE!
by gondeee on Nov 2, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I bet you’re one of the guys who hates Jason Heyward and posts “first” on all their comment threads. Am I right?
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by Scott Coleman on Nov 3, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t let the door hit you in the a*s on the way out, bub!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Will the Braves add a 3rd catcher with Boscan off the 40
Is Bethancourt ready?
Few teams keep a 3rd catcher until September roster expansion.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
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by king of games on Nov 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, just figured out you meant to the 40-man.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 2, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Still, your initial response is just as good.
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Plus we have Diaz as our emergency catcher again.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 2, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So I have been away from TC and have missed a ton of information; forgive me if this is an old question, but who are the Braves looking at for SS?
I’m afraid to get too attached to TC again because then it will probably be stripped from me again by our IT guy here at work.
Chicks dig the long ball.
Martin Prado
It’s all but a done deal.
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Facepalm….not this sh*t again.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 3, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
this idea will live FOREVER. Might as well embrace it.
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It’s going to be hilarious when we trade for Quentin or sign Willingham and they actually do move him to SS. This place will be flaming tornado of rage.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
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by king of games on Nov 4, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hang in there
you’ll get back into the swing of things eventually.
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Oh, you know
kinda bummed about September still. But it’s Nov. now, so I’m getting over it.
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A question for cbwilk
What are your thoughts on Andrew Brackman? I saw the Yankees released him yesterday. Any chance FW will take a flyer on him? He’s only 25 and was once regarded as Rivera’s replacement.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
I’ve seen him pitch a few times and I think he’s Ok. He’s long and lanky and could have some serious stuff if the right people worked with him. And he’s a good, quality person, so he’d fit in with the way the Braves do things. If he’s willing to sign a run of the mill Minor League contract and work his ass off he’d be a good investment. They’ve been collecting former high round busts and getting good results lately, so it could be something they do.
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Agreed
when I noticed him cut the other day, I thought if he’d take a minor league contract with major league options, he’d be a great low risk/high reward pick up.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
That was exactly my thought when I saw that he was released. We’ve signed plenty of reclamation projects. Some have panned out….others not. I’d take a chance on him at the right dollar figure. Thanks for the input.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 3, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Stephen Marek
I wonder about the logic of exposing Marek to the Rule 5 draft. Check me on this… a team could draft him and keep him on their 60-day DL for the first half of the season, getting around the rule that says that you have to keep a Rule 5 pick on your ML roster. By July, which realistically is probably the earliest date he’ll be ready, a team like Houston or KC would almost certainly have a spot for him.
"Some people give their bodies to science. I gave mine to baseball." -- Ron Hunt
He has to be active for at least 90 days
I don’t know that a team would take the risk that he’d have setbacks and be unable to come off of the DL early enough to meet this requirement. July is cutting it awfully close.
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