Braves Quote For The Day ... Deal Could Be Near, Or Not
by gondeee on Nov 17, 2011 10:14 AM EST
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A tweet this morning from David O'Brien:
Conspicuous silence past couple of days from Braves front office makes me think a deal is probably near. Just a hunch, though.
A few days ago from Jerry Crasnick:
Braves in listening mode, but not very far along in trade talks involving Martin Prado, Jair Jurrjens or anyone else on roster.
Really, this underscores the general M.O. of the Braves front office. While they have been a bit more forthcoming to the press in recent years about their intentions in the trade market under General Manager Frank Wren than they were under General Manager John Schuerholtz, their is no reason why they can't slip back into their cone of silence at any time.
Perhaps too many rumors were floating around about the Braves efforts to trade Prado and Jurrjens, both of whom are popular players in the Braves clubhouse. These rumors may not have been going over too well with some of the Braves players, so instead of furthering their validity by commenting on them, the front office will instead remain silent until a deal is actually done (if one gets done).
A little over a week ago, Wren did some initial damage control on that front by shooting down any Prado or Jurrjens trade talk in an interview on Sirius XM radio. Trading Derek Lowe is one thing. He may have been liked in the clubhouse, but everyone likely knew that he would probably get traded. Prado and Jurrjens are a different story. I imagine if either are traded there will be some quotes from Braves players about how much they hate to see them get traded, and how unfortunate it is the team decided to trade them.
It's been quote some time since the Braves were attempting to trade a player with a long tenure in Atlanta who was well-liked in the clubhouse. Now they're attempting to unload two of those types of players.
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Golly. I’ve never seen a player like Martin Prado. He’s like the photoshop of baseball players.
He’s one of the best hitters in the game.
One of the best defensive LFers
Can play anywhere except pitcher and catcher (and are we sure he can’t do at least one of those things???)
He’s the hardest working player in baseball
He’s a leader on the team
He’s the fan favorite
He’s the player favorite
He cured cancer
What CAN’T this guy do???
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
He can’t fill that KJ-sized hole in your heart for one thing….
by stealing3rd on Nov 17, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Except that’s not true…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve got a lot of replying to do buddy!
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
When I saw the names of the posters, I decided it wasn’t worth my time.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Are you being serious? Because if you are, that’s pretty pathetic.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
There are certain ones
yes.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Why? I’m just curious. Are they a-holes, or don’t have enough baseball knowledge? Or is there something else?
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
I'm not sure if you are trying to bait me into saying something negative about them...
but I’ll answer the question honestly. There are certain posters who jump at any and every opportunity to disagree with me or to make me look like a prick. They are incapable of having a rational discussion, and stoop to just saying things like “He’s a piece of….work…”
The funny thing is, they get extremely emotional and aggressive when the only disagreement is related to baseball. It’s a differing of opinion. And yet – they call me the asshole or the “brick wall.”
Am I stubborn? Absolutely. Do I think I’m right? Clearly – who doesn’t think they are right?
Am I disrespectful or incapable of listening to the other side of an argument and maybe changing my point of view? Not at all.
I have very good discussions here with very intelligent people. On the flip side of that, I have learned to ignore other posters.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In their defense...
…you give them plenty of opportunities. The first post you made here is an example.
What you say is valid, and no, I’m not trying to bait you.
I don’t think you’re necessarily disrespectful, but you are extremely argumentative. It’s just a bit much to many on here. It doesn’t mean that you aren’t capable of good discussions. Clearly, you contribute on here. I just think that your often brief, and somewhat confrontational, posts tend to make some angry.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
Well
I mean, it’s the internet. It’s a fan blog. It’s a huge community where people from all sides of opinion come together to discuss things…arguments happen.
I don’t get into personal arguments. All of my arguments are strictly baseball related. Isn’t that the point of a website like this – to discuss things with others?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
You missed my point
Yes, it’s the internet. Yes, it’s a fan blog. Yes, people are allowed to say what they want. Yes, arguments happen.
My point (and I’m not alone) is that you seem to try to argue just for the hell of it. I’m not going to come up with examples, so I’ll stop there. Something tells me I’ll get nowhere with this, so I give up.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
I don’t get into personal arguments.
Really Justin? Think about that for a second……
ok, the second is over. You have for literally no reason directed a homosexual joke at me (around 3 months ago) – (remember the TWSS joke you directed at me?). Your current tagline is a personal mocking of a former poster that you constantly belittled until he was banned – and there is very little relating to baseball in in that tagline.
While, sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don’t, please don’t try to tell me that you don’t engage in personal arguments…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Joking /=/ arguing.
If you got offended by TWSS, I just don’t know what to say…sorry?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you do not remember correctly
it was not a TWSS directed at one of my comments…it was a TWSS commentary directed at me the person with no context or allusion to anything I had said of or concerning you in any way.
It was a personally directed joke…was it eventually settled? Yes, I believe so. At least I moved on from it…but don’t sit here and say that you don’t get into personal arguments and that every one of your arguments are
strictly baseball related
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Again
Jokes /=/ Arguments…although this current disagreement is straying away from baseball.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
back to baseball
Just don’t claim self righteousness or mock people beyond a reasonable extent, and please try not to drastically misconstrue other people’s opinions to the point of a blog explosion….
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh the irony of that last statement…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Your current tagline is a personal mocking of a former poster that you constantly belittled until he was banned – and there is very little relating to baseball in in that tagline.
I miss ChopMaster…LOL
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
He still posts on another blog I’m a member of (UGA’s SBNation). A recent example of his greatness…he just ran a simulation of the possible UGA v LSU game on NCAA 2012 and posted a full review of what happened. What makes it legit is he plays 10 min quarters on All-American mode (the 2nd hardest difficulty)
Daffy Duck goes to bed at 10:00 every night, except on New Year's Eve, he goes to bed at 8:30.
by bwellnjonesco on Nov 18, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but does his mom still let him turn over hot dogs on the grill??
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 18, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I believe there was an incident that did away with all hopes of him ever being an official hot dog turner.
Daffy Duck goes to bed at 10:00 every night, except on New Year's Eve, he goes to bed at 8:30.
by bwellnjonesco on Nov 18, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I keep waiting on that simulation I ran on NCAA 01
to bring about the decade plus long dominance where we won every national title and bringing in elite recruits every class. It wasn’t 10 minute quarters, but it was on Heisman (an even harder level)!
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I always create myself as the QB in my simulations. I wish that would happen.
Daffy Duck goes to bed at 10:00 every night, except on New Year's Eve, he goes to bed at 8:30.
by bwellnjonesco on Nov 18, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
NCAA 01, the QBs were Vick and Dantzler
Va Tech and Clemson were pretty much off limits cheating teams because of those two. Shotgun, deep routes, and you are either scrambling fast to the edge burning them for a long run, or my favorite, roll around the pocket for 15 seconds avoiding multiple defenders before launching a 50 yd bomb (worked best with Woodrow Dantzler, because Rod Gardner would muscle up and win every jump ball). Video games; such realistic simulations.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 18, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
You better also wish for some blocking
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 18, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give that a rec
I’ve always found you to be…stubborn, but def able to have an intelligent convo w/.
Melky was a fail, but that was Melky’s fault, or the fault of Atlanta for having awesome cheeseburgers and ribs.
by Broccoman on Feb 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST
I will add to that
I think justin is always stubborn, sometimes insulting, sometimes facetious, and sometimes so completely biased that it blinds him to the positive attributes that some players bring….
but usually at the end of the day (sometimes literally) justin is willing engage in real, meaningful, and intelligent debates with very well supported analysis….
justin I don’t hate you, in fact I often agree with you….the problem seems to be not what you say, but how you present it
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 18, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
An you really are a Masterbaiter
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 18, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nice extremist load of bull ignoring what anyone actually says on the issue
par for the course good buddy.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 17, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Everything I said above (except for the cancer part, obviously) has been stated about Prado by people on this website.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to compile a list of statements,...
often extremist and absolutely foolish looking in hindsight, it’ll be a very, very long list. We can start with 200,000,000, and throw in Kenshin Kawakami is a #3 starter, Adam Dunn should hit leadoff, Matt Diaz should hit leadoff, and keep working from there.
He may not be “one of the best”, but he is a good hitter, a good LFer defensively, one of the team leaders in the clubhouse, a fan favorite, a hard worker, and can play anywhere except P, C, CF, and SS (he could probably play them, just not very well). But if you want to argue the most extreme side of an argument, well, nothing’s ever stopped you before.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 17, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait a minute..................
Prado can’t play SS???
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
Of course he can play SS. The question you’re searching for, however, is:
Can he play well at SS?
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not arguing anything extremist
I’m pointing out the simple fact that we have put Martin Prado on an unrealistic pedestal in the last 2 years.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Pedestal?
That’s kind of strong. I’d like to hear how that ever became “simple fact”…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
*Sigh
Have you missed the plethora of posts about how we cannot and should not trade him? Like I told Sanchez, every single thing I said about him in my first post on this thread is something that I have read with my own eyes on this blog in the past few weeks. It’s getting ridiculous.
Prado has gone from being “A good backup” to “All-Star 2B” (well deserved, btw) to “Someone who absolutely cannot be traded”.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
"cannot be traded"
He can be traded. Question is, can he be replaced in LF and 3B for $4.5M?
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
We've had this discussion
Yes, he can be replaced in LF. Yes, he can be replaced at 3B. Yes he can be replaced for a cheaper salary.
I doubt that 1 person can fit all three of those descriptions though. So the question then becomes – what exactly is Martin Prado to this Braves’ team? Is he a cheap solution? Is he a backup 3B? Is he the primary LFer?
Martin’s value to the team is his versatility. If the team is serious about contending (and increasing payroll) then yes, they can trade for a big-time LFer and find someone on the cheap to backup 3B.
If the team is more about not pissing away 2012, but still pinching pennies, then you keep Martin at that price to play LF and spell Chipper on his off days/DL stints.
But at the end of the day, the bottom line is that Martin is NOT indispensable to the team. He’s valuable, certainly – but not indispensable.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Seems kind of crazy to me to replace Prado, an affordable, well liked player. He’s not the greatest player or anything, but he’s far from the worst.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
Nobody is saying he's the worst
or even that he sucks. But like the old mantra says “you gotta spend money to make money.”
That holds true in trades as well. We can’t realistically expect Frank Wren to trade Infante and Dunn for Uggla again. We have to trade wanted commodities.
If anything, the fact that there is so much interest is Prado is an affirmation of his abilities – not a degradation.
The Braves FO seems to realize that Prado will bring back a nice return. We don’t have to trade Prado for his immediate successor or replacement. We can trade Prado to fill other holes, and deal with the vacancy left in LF/backup 3B by dealing JJ – or signing a free agent – or trading some of our upper prospects.
The idea that by suggesting we trade Prado means that we dislike him or thinks he sucks is extremely flawed.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Now this I'll agree with you in full
I’m not sure we can get equal or greater value in return for him, but agree with the other stuff you say.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Same, and that is where I also agree
But i think the whole point is that most people believe that due to our unique needs and what Prado provides, Prado’s value to us will likely far exceed what other teams value him at.
We need Prado because:
- We need a LF
- Chipper Jones gets hurt often and we need a strong back up 3B
- We need a RH bat because our lineup is LH heavy
- We need a back up middle infielder
- We have budgetary concerns and
- We are more attached to the principles of hard work and team orientation than other teams
Other teams may not have all of these issues and are thus likely to discount one or more of the above attributes that Prado offers. This means that it will be very difficult to get a deal for Prado that addresses all of the needs or in which the value exceeds that value of these needs dictate.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with all of that
which is why I’ve said time and time again that Prado’s value to us is tied to his versatility.
But now, the question is exactly how much do we value that? Do we value Prado’s versatility more than we would a good SS? Do we value his versatility more than we would a masher in LF?
Along the same lines, while a team may not value his versatility, they could value his ability to play 2B with an above-average offensive line. Aaron Hill just signed a contract similar to what Prado could expect to make in arbitration. There are no shortage of teams who could upgrade at 2B.
And now, that makes the question turn into: Do other teams value Prado as a 2B MORE than we value him as a versatile player?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not only versatility
That wasn’t only about his versatility. It is about his versatility, his salary in relation to our budget concerns, his work ethic, his “team first” attitude, and also literally what side of the plate he hits from. Finding a replacement for all of those attributes in one package for Prado (or even JJ) is going to be exceedingly difficult.
FW would have to be blown out of the water or pull a rabbit from his hat (which he has done at least twice now) in order to do that.
We are saying that is highly, highly unlikely to the point that we are afraid that if FW attempts it he will likely fail to replace those attributes AND at this point a trade is not necessary…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
There’s only one trade that I can think of where Frank Wren has failed…and even that one is considered a success, depending on who you ask.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Heck yeah, frosted tips.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
This
I hated that trade…Yunel is just so much better and younger, and he was no where near Hanley bad…don’t get me started
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 18, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Don't "this" me
I was just commenting on the fact that it got brought up, not that I disagree with it. :)
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
www.duwanis.com
This
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 18, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
This to
This
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
No...
…what makes me think that some undervalue, dislike him, or think he sucks is that they want to “upgrade” in left by trading Prado and then getting a player who isn’t actually better than Prado to play left field.
I know you aren’t talking about me directly here, as I have never listed names I thought we should trade him for or that would upgrade over him.
But you would be insane to think that there are not better LFers out there. Is it realistic that we could trade for them?
After last off-season, I don’t discount any trade scenario anymore. If there is any team in MLB that is poised/capable of making a huge trade, it’s us. We have expendable top-notch pitchers (JJ) who we can replace from within. We have a plethora of top-tier pitching prospects with which we could make a deal.
And we also have a guy out in LF who can play multiple positions and hit well – who seems to be out-pricing himself on this team, if not this year, then certainly in the next 2-3.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Of course there are better LFs
Braun, Crawford, etc. But that’s not going to help. You have to cull that list of names to realistic options.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
That's just it
We don’t know what those options are. What’s realistic anymore? Teams say that players aren’t available, and the next thing you know, they are traded away.
Teams under value/over value players all the time.
We don’t know what FW is working, who he is talking to, who he is talking about. We just don’t know.
But, it certainly is feasible that we could trade players for a better LFer.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
And I guess I have to point out – just because I think (know) that there are better LFers than Martin, that’s nothing against Martin. He’s a very good baseball player.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think the main issue is that Prado profiles best offensively at 2B and we have that position locked down. He’s fine at LF and 3B on defense, but offensively you look for more from those positions. That’s why we’re listening to offers for Prado, not because he’s a bad player.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 17, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
And that's the fallacy again.
If we have the big LF type bat at 2B in Uggla and a good 2B type bat in LF in Prado, it is the same thing as having them reverse. For hitting purposes, it doesn’t matter which position is next to your name on the lineup card.
This assumes that there is some baseline of offensive production that is to be expected. The power from 2B doesn’t have to make up for the lack of power in LF.
If we had a league-average offensive output from LF in addition to the above-average output from 2B is that not better?
(Not saying Prado is incapable of providing that – just making the counterpoint here)
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
But that's not the point I am making.
The point I am making is the fallacy of needing a certain type of production out of certain positions. Getting more production is great, but saying that Willingham is a better option in left than Prado not because Willingham is better (he isn’t when fielding, or more specifically his lack thereof is considered) but because Willingham has more power and “you need power from a left fielder.” The fallacy I am attacking is that you need power from certain positions but not from others.
But LF is an almost purely offensive position. It doesn’t matter if Prado is a better defender than whoever comes in, as long as that replacement is an offensive upgrade.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 18, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
And Willingham is a sure upgrade?
because his declining OBP makes that a doubt.
And remember FUGA? Yeah, defense matters a little bit.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 18, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
If FUGA would have put up .280/.350/.425 he would have gotten a pass on the defense.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 18, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
and if he's .246/.332/.477?
with the chance that those numbers could easily go down another notch?
I wouldn’t be opposed to Willingham in a vacuum. The problem comes in his desire for a high price, multiple years, and his costing a first round pick as a Type A free agent? Add those in to the situation, and he isn’t quite as worth it imo.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I’m not exactly defending Willingham, I don’t really want him. Just saying that we shouldn’t be so worried about downgrading our LF defense if we can upgrade the offense.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 18, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
By who?
Yes, he can be replaced in LF. Yes, he can be replaced at 3B. Yes he can be replaced for a cheaper salary
List of names please.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
There are dozens of LFers in baseball. There are dozens of RFers in baseball. There are dozens of CFers in baseball. Any of those could replace him in LF.
There are also dozens of 3B in baseball who could conceivably replace a backup 3B.
There are also dozens, if not 2,000,000,000 players in baseball who make less than he does.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here you go
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
And of those names
realistic options to both acquire and bring an improvement over what Prado gives?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Again, was it realistic that Omar and Mike Dunn could bring back Dan Uggla?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Did you not already say we can't expect lightning to strike twice in that type of deal?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I did
But just because we shouldn’t expect it, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t/couldn’t happen.
I’m not saying that we will make that kind of deal again. What I’m saying is that we don’t know what FW can or is willing to do. Who knows – maybe we trade a package of Hanson/Delgado/Prado for someone like Braun?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
And Kenshin could sign a minor league deal with San Francisco
before reemerging as that #3 starter you claim he is.
/yes, that was a big of a dig.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I expected nothing less
and for the record – his numbers were those of an average #3, solid #4…just sayin’
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Peter Bourjos
That OF would be F-ing epic on defense.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 17, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
The defense would be insane, but the offense would be questionable.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
He swipez bagz though!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Can't steal first
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
what about a passed ball swinging third strike
/jk :-)
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by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Prado can
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
The guy in the most interesting man in the world commercials
Martin Prado… wearing a mask…
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
If martin prado patted you on the back, you would list it on your resume
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
He lives vicariously through himself.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Both sides of his pillow are cool.
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
Prado doesn’t always get out, but when he does its because FG told him to so the Braves would lose.
by bravesfanldh on Nov 17, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
That explains the hit and runs…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yet still better than the poo poo platter of McLouth/Schafer/Heyward of last year. And I think Bourjos is capable of puting up similar numbers to Bourn.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 17, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Bourjos has a little more power than Bourn...
…but not as much patience, leading to a lower OBP, which is a big deal with the speedy guys/leadoff hitter types. I doubt he would be as good as Bourn.
He’s a few years younger than Bourn though.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Here's what I don't get in all of the Prado trade rumors/discussions.
Yes, Prado is expendable if we get the right players back. But when you state something like “If the team is serious about contending (and increasing payroll) then yes, they can trade for a big-time LFer and find someone on the cheap to backup 3B.” That statement is just wrong in so many ways. With a lot of problems that we should have in 2012, we contended in 2011. To suggest that we have to upgrade on Prado in LF to contend is ridiculous and illogical.
Anyway, off that aside and on to my point: I have heard discussed here a lot of possible LFers for the Braves which we could get in trade (for Prado and/or Jurrjens) or free agents who we could sign after trading Prado. The names that come to mind are: Seth Smith, Michael Cuddyer, Jason Kubel, Josh Willingham, and Carlos Quentin. The problem is that none of these guys are any better than Prado when you view Prado strictly as a leftfielder, which means we are both losing the versatility and not upgrading in left field. I am not aware of any LFer we could reasonably trade for or sign as a free agent, outside of perhaps Carlos Beltran (who will want too much money or too many years and be hurt too often) who is even better strictly as a left-fielder than Prado.
I think the problem is (and I see too many posts of people wanting to upgrade on Prado (by trading Prado or making him super utility), not too many erroneously saying that he is irreplaceable, I am not sure which website you are reading) that people expect a certain type of hitter in left field, and Prado isn’t that type of hitter. That is a silly line of thinking. We have that type of hitter at second base. If we had Prado and Uggla switch positions, these people would be happy even though we would have the exact same batting lineup.
The other fallacy I see mentioned often is that we need more power or more outfield power. Again, it doesn’t matter where in the lineup the power comes from. And while we probably needed more power after 2010, we got it in Uggla. While we sucked at most team hitting categories last year, the one we did best in was power.
I get what you are saying
But a trade of Prado does not necessarily have to include his replacement.
Hypothetical time: I’ll use the Nats as my example here. If you were offered Bryce Harper and another lesser prospect for Martin Prado, would you not make that deal? That deal does nothing for the Braves in 2012, but it certainly helps them down the road.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
But he's not bringing back a Harper, or Wil Myers
or similar potential. So banking on this stud prospect return is just not reasonable imo. Again, we differ on the potential return of Prado. You think we can get something that definitely improves the organization. I don’t. I don’t think there’s a reasonable option out there via free agency that is a certainty as better LF than Prado (as the list of names caves gives I agree with him aren’t improving over a healthy, return to form Prado). And I don’t think Prado is bringing back some A, A- prospect like a Harper that makes moving him a strong future move.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
We don’t know what he can bring back. All we know is what someone from Fox Sports tweeted.
When is the last time that Frank Wren made a trade that we all were expecting for a player that we were expecting to get in return?
While the trade speculation has been quite public, the actual trades themselves have been big surprises.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
So you think the Nats would give up Harper + another prospect for him?
Or the Royals would give Wil Myers straight up?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
No, I don’t.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
If you could arrange this, Mr. Sanchez, we TC’ers would appreciate it.
Harper + Strasburg, while we’re at it. Now go…shooo-shooo. You have work to do with the Nats. Thanks in advance!
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
no one (or at least very few of us) is saying he can’t be traded, the question is the amount of value that we could get in return that makes a potential trade (and at the very least the one’s suggested thus far) either highly improbable or detrimental in comparison to what Prado brings to the team…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well, nobody “cannot be traded” ever…no one is irreplaceable (Beyonce wants to know who we’re moving “to the LF, to the LF”)
But I think given the current FA situation, trade environment, and Braves budgetary issues…and the fact that the Arb-sum for Prado is likely to be under $5MM in 2012…I don’t see how you should trade him unless the return to too good to pass up.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
And I don’t think that the Braves will trade him unless they get the return they want.
They certainly don’t HAVE to trade him. But if they can improve the team by doing so, then they should.
Trading him to the detriment of the team would be a terrible decision. Trading him to dump salary would be a terrible decision. Trading him to make the team better would be an excellent decision.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
WHY DOES IT TAKE 20 BACK AND FORTHS TO GET YOU TO SAY SOMETHING WE CAN BOTH AGREE ON!
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 17, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because you are misinterpreting what I’m saying the whole time?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
When everyone misinterprets what you say
then perhaps a little self reflection is needed
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by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
So I self-reflect, and I go back to all those times when I trashed Prado, said he sucked, said he made this team worse, etc….
Wait, none of that ever happened.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Your problem is that you attack straw men.
You make this nasty sarcastic post at the top of the thread. It attacks the very lightly held view that we cannot trade Prado under any circumstances. Yeah, maybe a few have said it, but most haven’t—-most people have just not liked the return in the trade rumors that have circulated. Then when attacked because you made a nasty sarcastic post, you hide behind the defense of not actually saying anything more than we should trade Prado if we get a good deal, which is pretty much an obvious truism that almost everyone would agree with. There’s nothing technically incorrect with what you are saying, you’re just being a troll like the anti-advanced stats thread guy.
My point in the initial post had nothing to do with trading Prado and everything to do with the hyperbole surrounding him.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU
REC.
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by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
And everything I said above as far as extremist opinions
I’ve read. Doesn’t make them any more relevant to the argument of whether or not it’s a good idea to move Prado.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Ah
so comments about Prado and why he shouldn’t be traded are not relevant to the discussion at hand about Prado and why he shouldn’t be traded…got it.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
the extrem of those comments are not
but we hit agreement above. He’s a valuable player, but not indispensible. If we can get better by moving him, you do it. I guess we just have differing opinions on if it’s realistic to expect we can bring back a package that gives the franchise more value than he does, considering how well he fits our specific needs via Chipper.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
This
is the most logical argument for keeping him – well, 2nd most logical. Someone recently posted that their wife would be pissed if he were to be traded…
It’s also what I have been saying all along – Prado’s value is tied to his versatility for the Braves. If by trading JJ, we can land a permanent LFer with legit power, Prado could be best utilized by playing every day (or almost every day) and giving all the full-time regulars days off. This would provide maximum value.
On the flip side, if trading Prado can land a haul either for 2012 or beyond, I think you have to do it. You cannot refuse to improve your team simply due to your concerns about a backup 3B for if/when Chipper goes down. That’s just not smart baseball.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and no.
The problem is that you are talking in a hypothetical world where we can get the stud LF in whatever way or big prospect in a trade for Prado. I, for one, have repeatedly said that if we can get a good enough return, of course we should trade him. I certainly haven’t heard that in any of the rumors. I also haven’t heard you mention the stud OF we could realistically acquire to replace Prado. Nobody posting rationally thinks that we shouldn’t upgrade on Prado if we can get a stud OF, so if that is all you are arguing against the few irrational posters or attacking a strawman. That’s pretty weak.
Also, while we shouldn’t refuse to get a big upgrade on Prado because of concern about what happens if/when Chipper goes down, it is also not smart baseball not to take into account that Chipper will likely be down for 30-40 games and possibly more and remember to factor that into our thinking.
Yes, we should certainly consider who our backup 3B will be. But we shouldn’t base any major decisions on that alone.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
As to the first point
There seems to be a loud, if not large portion of the community here who thinks it is an absolutely terrible idea to even shop Prado around or to even consider trading him. It is those people to whom my comments are addressed.
It would be gross negligence on the FO’s part to simply close off their ears and refuse to listen to any offers – for ANY player – let alone Martin Prado.
I honestly think that all FW is doing right now is generating interest and testing the waters before going into the Winter Meetings – as he should be doing.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
There seems to be a loud, if not large portion of the community here who thinks it is an absolutely terrible idea to even shop Prado around or to even consider trading him
Because they think the return for him will be weak. You could have said the same about Infante 12 months ago, until we all realized Uggla could be had for him.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
If that’s the reason, then it’s completely fine.
However, the reasons I’m annoyed with are “Because he’s the hardest worker” or “He’s my favorite.”
Granted, perhaps I should just ignore those as cavebird alludes to.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well that is a minor side to it
While I thought the Escobar trade was stupid (I didn’t think Esco was that petulent)….I think there is something to be said for running out every ground ball, making an effort to make defensive plays that you even might not get to, and caring about the results of your actions. These thing can and sometimes do affect the outcome of games.
I think Hanley Ramirez value is not as high as it could be simply because of his effort. Imagine if Pujols didn’t care as much or work as hard…would he still be as valuable as he is with those attributes?
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in no way
trying to devalue a good work ethic. I love the hard-nosed, give-it-their-all kind of players.
I just think that it’s a bit ridiculous to not trade a guy for the sole fact that he works hard.
While that is a truly admirable quality, it’s not the end-all be all.
Having said that, I would rather have Martin Prado on my team than Hanley Ramirez or Manny Ramirez…what is it with the Ramirez family? lol
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
and your point about the whole “He’s my favorite” thing is completely justified. That is not one of my arguments…I may personally like a particular player but if we can truly upgrade the team by trading him, then we should.
This is a results oriented world we live in. That is why I fully understood and supported the release of Glavine.
And yes, despite Hanley being a more tooled and talented player with a higher potential…I would take Prado over him.
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by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
To add on
I just don’t want this to end up being another Justice type trade (or even Yunel type trade).
If we trade Prado I want somebody’s farm or a type A LF or SS….and that is just unlikely.
But hey, if FW can rock another Uggle type trade…sure..
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by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
This is what happens
when two people actually talk about things, instead of hurling insults.
Success!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know that’s not the FO’s sole fact for not trading him. We aren’t talking about the real reasons – we are talking about some of the reasons given here over the past few weeks.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
And some of the comments here
saying drinking Jack Daniel’s isn’t the same as drinking alcohol. So who gives a rats patootie about “some of the reasons given here”?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Like I said
I guess I should just take Cavebird’s advice and just ignore people.
It really is irritating though. It’s like in Austin Powers…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
I am still trying to figure out what message board you are reading.
I see a much louder part of the community that thinks people who aren’t an upgrade on Prado are an upgrade on Prado because they can’t see past stats from 2011. Maybe everyone sees what the want to see. Or perhaps, we all just remember more of the posts that annoy us, and then, since we remember them better, think that is the majority view when it really isn’t. There isn’t really much disagreement between most of us on this issue, but wow, we sure have turned this into a clusterf**k.
I think that clusterf**k was the result of some people who like to make things personal.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Some may have, but the most, at least imo
are realistic about it. He provides a much needed asset as a RH bat capable of giving solid defense in LF, with a consistent track record of an .800 or so ops until last season’s injury plagued run, and can also fill in at 3B which will be much needed with Chipper slotted in there. For his price, you are going to find very few, if any players capable of providing the same, and the few who can aren’t available, so for our needs he fits very, very well.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Agreed.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
So Sanchez, I think it’s obvious that JJ is the odd man out in your mind. You’d obviously trade him (in the right deal, of course) because of the surplus of above-average SP’s we have right now. What happens if we happen to sign a kid like Cepedes. Would you eat the arb raise for Prado and put him on the bench in 2012, or would you trade him for more parts/prospects?
Just curious as to your thoughts about this.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Again, what kind of return are we getting?
JJ and Prado are independent of each other. As you say, I’m more open to dealing Jurrjens, even though he might be my personal favorite on the team, because of a) we have ready replacements that could produce as much if not more, for 1/10th the price, and because b) you are in a sink or swim state with his knee where if it’s healthy and he produces at the level he has in the past you raise stock but if he reinjures that knee you risk losing a great deal of the value he’d have in a trade. For those 2 reasons, I’d pursue deals for Jurrjens.
But as said, Prado is independent of him. And I’m just not of the opinion we’ll get a star in return, like a Wil Myers, among others for him. But in answer to your question, if we sign Cepedes, I’d like to keep Prado. He’s been a good influence on other Latin players so I’d like him around Cepedes for that reason. Plus, you don’t really know what you got there, so he’d be good insurance in case Cepedes isn’t ready to start 150 games immediately. Plus, there’s Chipper, and I’d be happy, provided we can fit his arb raise in to the increased budget, to keep him around as the super ut behind Chipper, or if Uggla, Freddie, or Heyward go down, or Cepedes if he is every thing he’s been hyped to be and takes over LF. But of course, as much as I’d like to keep Prado, as with anyone sans Chipper and Hudson (due to 10/5) if you can get a return that improves both the present and future for a player, make that move. No one is indispensible. The problem lies in the team is in the playoff hunt, so dealing Prado for prospects only weakens that present day roster. You need both a present and future improvement from any return, whereas Jurrjens can be purely future returns, and requiring that present/fuiture improvement for Prado makes any realistic trade return difficult.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
K…we’re on the same page.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
I’d like to see Prado stay for the same versatility and his influence. If we got a stud prospect back in a separate deal for JJ that was ready to claim an OF spot in a MLB lineup he’d have to unseat Prado. Once he does, Prado fills in as super sub. If he doesn’t Prado et al can put up a good platoon number and be glad for Bourne’s range and we let the prospect incubate.
by crack of the bat on Nov 17, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
There's one in every forum...
justin is a real piece of…. work. He would make a great Phillies phan….. If he isn’t one already….
“With fans like these…..”
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously justin ?
Can play anywhere except pitcher and catcher
With the sole exception of CF, he HAS played every position except P, C, and CF at the major league record. His stats do not merely show that he can or might be able to play every position except P, C, and CF at a major league level, they show that he has played everywhere except pitcher, catcher and centerfielder.
No one is saying he is GGer or that he cured cancer but one can make a pretty solid, unbiased argument that the rest of your “cliches” mocking him are actually true. Or does your blind all encompassing love of Kelly Johnson prevent you from seeing this.
What exactly is your beef with Prado and those of us who support his hard work and willingness to sacrifice his ego for the good of the team.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You might as well try to reason with a brick wall.
Prepare for an ongoing reply fail…
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
At least a brick wall would provide a valid argument.
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by TonyAlmeyda on Nov 17, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
A brick wall also wouldn’t hold a grudge against a player, when in reality that grudge should be against the Front Office…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
What a shock.....
Everyone is more-or-less on the same page……… sans “justincredubil”, who swims against the current and tries to convince everyone else that they are, as a matter of fact, wrong.
just very annoying
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
/pats Chief on shoulder
There, there…have some cake.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Don't do it!
The cake is a lie!
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 17, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
!!Muchas gracias!! Me gusta cheesecake!!!
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll have the chicken!
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No cake?? FML!
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hold nothing against Prado
He’s a very good baseball player.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
your posts suggest otherwise
but I am out to lunch
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
No they don’t.
Find me one post where I have stated that I dislike Prado – or even hinted at it.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is sarcasm, or at the least back-handed...
Golly. I’ve never seen a player like Martin Prado. He’s like the photoshop of baseball players.
He’s one of the best hitters in the game.
One of the best defensive LFers
Can play anywhere except pitcher and catcher (and are we sure he can’t do at least one of those things???)
He’s the hardest working player in baseball
He’s a leader on the team
He’s the fan favorite
He’s the player favorite
He cured cancer
What CAN’T this guy do???
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Thanks for posting what I posted. But that wasn’t the assignment. The assignment was to find a post where I hinted at disliking Prado.
That post was not about Prado. That post was about what people around here think of Prado.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Which you addressed through mocking said player…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Seriously?
I was mocking things people said about him – and alluding to the commercial that Martin Prado himself made for the Braves.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m sure that commercial was totally Prado’s idea. I’ll bet he even directed it.
[facepalm]
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
To quote cb
You need to relax and have a Coke.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys?
“Mike, go downstairs…have a coke and a smile…”
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
But I am relaxed. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
So what did you mean by this?
the commercial that Martin Prado himself made
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I’ll post the response before he does…..
“Relax. Have a Coke.’
lol, see, isnt that better?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
The commercial where Prado was doing everything…
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
That, and I quote
“Prado himself made”? At best, that’s poor phrasing and incorrect word usage.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Ok...
The commercial that Prado starred in that was making fun of the fact that he can do it all.
Better?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
although acting like an obviously comical commercial was trying to accurately state the man’s abilities, or has seeped through some poster’s concsiousness regarding his abilities, is off to me.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
No, I am quite certain that that commercial is factually accurate and Prado can do anything portrayed in that commercial.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know
I just don’t get how someone can literally mock Prado. Are there more talented players in MLB? Sure, and no one is saying that Prado is the greatest player to ever don a Braves uniform. But to mock him after what he has done and sacrificed for Atlanta is deserving of ridicule.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Any sane person / Braves fan understands this.
It’s amazing the guy is still here, imo. But whatever.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ah – this will be an interesting afternoon in this thread. Better than working!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
lol, for somebody maybe....
I’ve got better things to do…. and conversing with (resoundingly negative) brick walls is not one of them.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, understandable, but TC > working.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
not enough of the “>” there
Twitter: @TAlmeyda
by TonyAlmeyda on Nov 17, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
My fault…should have read “>>>>>>>”
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t…for fear of my boss reading this thread.
“This call may be monitored for quality assurance purposes….”
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
It is almost Friday, tho….
And short week next week……
sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
TGIT
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sorta OT - so I apologize for the rant....
Unfortunately, I’m dreading this weekend in a big way. Saturday marks the 1 year anniversary of a young woman that was murdered by her ex-boyfriend in my area. The wounds are still pretty fresh, so it’s going to be a pretty emotional weekend for yours truly.
End of rant…don’t wanna be Buzz Killington around here. Me thinks I’ll be heavily medicated via alcohol on Saturday night.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
jeez, that’s horrible…. sorry to hear that.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks buddy…much appreciated. I could go on and on about it. Did a charity golf tournament for a memorial fund in her name…we raised like 20k on it. It was an awesome day.
There’s news video on it…haha…my awful golf swing on it. Not sharing! :)
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully that crazed ex is rotting in jail, but my guess would be, if he isn’t, he’s probably juggling 3 girls right now, as we type. ….Hopefully the former.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just got back to my desk
Oh it’s the former – he’ll be in jail for the next 20+ years.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
But apparently
conversing ABOUT that person with other people has definitely earned a time-slot on your list of things to do.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
lol, look at all the "greened" comments in this thread....
They’re all about you being a douchebag. I didn’t green any of them.
I’m not the one that made the egregious, now-infamous 2nd comment in this thread.
You always try to make this about me….or whomever else…. when we retort to your bullshit, but it’s really about you, dude. Again, see the 2nd post. If you were a Giants fan, that would be totally spam. Ripping on Prado is not cool.
To answer this post, directly, tho: Some of us are actually going to stick up for the good guys on this team. Deal.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet post.
Now, if you are done attempting to make this personal, can we get back to baseball?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
….Can we get back to attempting to trash Prado, you mean?
Get over yourself, dude.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sticking to baseball
Prado is a very good baseball player. Please show me where I have said otherwise.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
"These pretzels are making me thirsty."
I believe you said that about Prado once.
Or was that someone else?
I can’t remember.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
lulz
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily
lol, look at all the “greened” comments in this thread…. They’re all about you being a douchebag. I didn’t green any of them.
I was the 10th Rec for the “KJ sized hole” comment because it was funny. I don’t think Justin is a DB.
Yeah, that one for sure isn’t really a slap in the face to me. The KJ comment WAS funny, and likely deserved.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
2/3, though. I won the series. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 18, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
For awhile, I’ve tried to ignore this Justin guy, assuming that he’s just trying to be that guy who wants to argue with everyone. I mean, sometimes he’s right, but I just don’t take him seriously anymore. He shits on what everyone says, and it’s become very tired for many on here. He seems to have baseball knowledge but it gets wasted due to his attitude.
Now, he’ll do one of two things: argue with me and tell me I’m an idiot (unlikely) or not respond because I’m ‘not worth it.’ (more likely)
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
Or I'll do this
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
which is akin to the second option. oh, you’re so clever.
Whereas people in the South are all ignorant, uneducated rednecks, everyone in Philadelphia is very sophisticated and exceedingly intelligent. It is not known exactly how such extraordinary genes came together in this one location.
-- Unknown
BTW
I tend to not call people names online. It’s rather petty.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't call people names...
What do you call them?
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Touche’
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I need to learn to remember where the ? key is
geez
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have no beef with Prado
I have an issue when people try to make him something he is not, and when people think that he somehow, is absolutely not expendable.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
What do people think he is that he is not?
Other than not expendable?
It’s the hyperbole. “hardest working player in the game” for an example.
I have no problem if people say that he is one of the hardest working players – but the hyperbole just annoys the living hell out of me.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
And yet...
…you stick in the line about curing cancer in your post. Mr. Pot, please meet Mr. Kettle. On the other hand, your being Mr. Pot is probably the reason that everyone is trying to smoke you in the comments in this thread.
Well, there’s obvious sarcasm (which I used) and there’s extreme hyperbole – which other people have used. The difference is that I don’t honestly believe that Prado has cured cancer, whereas others truly believe the things they say.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
And there are just as many ridiculous statements...
…on the anti-Prado side as the pro-Prado side. Why do you attack one and not the other is you are not, as you say, anti-Prado?
Where are the anti-Prado posts?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I found the 2nd post in this thread to be extremely “anti-Prado” in the most sarcastic kind of way. Regardless of whom you say actually said those things. Either way, it wasn’t meant as praise.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
ok, how about when you recently stated ...
You could guarantee that Prado would never lead the league in hitting? This was despite the fact that he actually was leading in 2010 after 84 games played and then fell off the pace after sustaining multiple injuries.
Seems rabidly “anti-” to me.
by fandave on Nov 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So let me get this straight
If I say that Dan Uggla will never lead the league in hitting – is that me being “Anti-Uggla”?
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
totally dodging … again.
he has been .300 hitter and was actually leading the league in hitting for much of the season in 2010; and he dropped out of the batting title race after multiple injuries. yet, you boldly guaranteed he will never lead the league in hitting. these are facts.
And these are also the facts:
1. Claiming a guy will never lead the league in hitting is not a sign of hatred or dislike for said individual.
2. In 2010, Martin Prado’s BABIP was .335 – that’s 20 points higher than his career average.
3. The highest Prado has ever batted in a season is .320. The last time that any NL batter won the title with an average below .320 was in 1972. In fact, the lowest average for a batting title winner in the last decade is .328.
Now, please answer my question. If I say that Dan Uggla will never win a batting title, is that me being “anti-Uggla?”
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I see.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
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Justin, your anti-Prado bias comes from continuously denouncing him for his “inability to take a walk” and “poor OBP” while praising players with a similar numbers. Prado’s career OBP fell 15 points because of a bad 2011 season. From a career mark of.356 down to .341, which isn’t spectacular but very solid. Yet there have been instances where you have actually campaigned to get players with those exact numbers, arguing that it would be an upgrade over Prado.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man. -The Dude
I’m not anti-Prado. I’m very much a fan of Martin Prado. I was skeptical when he took over 2B full time, sure – but most of us, or at least many of us were.
There are only 4 players from this past season that I hope to never see in a Braves uniform again – Alex Gonzalez, Derek Lowe, Scott Linebrink and Scott Proctor.
Just because I point out the realities of Martin Prado, that doesn’t make me a hater. It makes me a realist.
The reality of Martin is that he is an adequate fielder, not great, but not terrible. He is a solid contact hitter who lacks plate discipline. He has doubles power and is a gap hitter. He is a hard-working player who seems to have a great personality.
Like you said, he doesn’t walk a lot, and his OBP is tied almost directly to his AVG. That concerns me. We saw what happens when his BABIP goes down.
Is Prado the kind of guy that can maintain a 350+ BABIP? Maybe.
Is he a guarantee to rebound? We don’t know.
If I have argued for anyone to replace Martin, by name, I do not recall. Can you refresh my memory on who I said would be an upgrade over him?
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I see where your coming from…the people who say Prado is not expendable aren’t thinking in a logical “for the betterment of the team” frame of mind.
I don’t understand how people can say under no circumstances is Prado expendable. Yeah he does a lot, and he does a lot good. Yes he works hard and he’s earned a great reputation in Atlanta. I personally like Prado and if he stays great, if FW feels there’s a deal on the table that would make the team better, than so be it, life goes on.
Some people here act like if Prado gets traded then the Braves entire organization will suffer for the remainder of it’s existence. If he gets traded I’m willing to bet that in less than 2 years time people wouldn’t even be talking about how much they miss him, because if a trade is made its because the players or player we get in return would make up for his absence either now or in the future.
As far as every trade just concerning Prado goes, I don’t think any are worth it…especially not Seth Smith. But like someone mentioned earlier, a deal of Prado with JJ or Hanson and a prospect for someone in the Braun level of talent would absolutely be worth it.
Someone like Braun in LF for a full year would be worth more to this team than Prado at any position. Having talent like that out there would make it okay to have Conrad or a FA back chipper when he gets hurt…Prado will never put up Braun type numbers.
Again…i like Prado, and Im not trying to say we SHOULD trade him. In fact, I think any trade involving just him from our end would be a waste. The only true value in a Prado trade IMO would come coupled with a SP like JJ or Hanson and a prospect or two. The return from that should more than make up for Prado’s absence, even when a position has to be filled by someone like “the raw dog”.
by bravesfanldh on Nov 17, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
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I can’t remember who you were talking about for sure. I was reading the thread one afternoon, didn’t have time to look up the numbers and respond to your post, then forgot about it later on and never could find it afterwards. All I remember is you bringing up a specific player and citing their OBP in the post, which was along the lines of Prado’s career average.
I’m not entirely sure it was even a replacement for Prado, and it may have had nothing to do him whatsoever. It may have been about Jose Reyes or someone to sign at SS. Whoever it was, I was just shocked to see you praise one player, while always putting down Marteeen for having nearly an identical OBP.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man. -The Dude
It may have been Steven Drew, who doesn’t have an OBP nearly what Prado does. But, that’s getting into an intrinsic vs market value discussion.
BTW, I don’t criticize Prado for his OBP. He has a decent OBP, if not good. I criticize him for his inability to take a walk. His OBP is directly tied to his AVG.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I actually understood why you wanted Stephen Drew. Come on justin gotta at least spell his first name right. ;) Only thing I said about it was that you were fine with dealing Teheran AND Prado+ for Drew. I wouldn’t mind having Stephen actually, but not at that price.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I’m not focusing here…I’m in the middle of a round of Zombies.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
“If I have argued for anyone to replace Martin, by name, I do not recall. Can you refresh my memory on who I said would be an upgrade over him?”
I can name one, you mentioned Seth Smith. He isn’t an upgrade that is the problem. The best WAR Smith has ever had was in 2009 when he had a 2.9 WAR. His 2010 season was barely above what Prado did this past season, when he had a bad staph infection. 2011 was better, but not some special year, Prado does better than this every other year other than 2011. Other than 2011 season, Smith has been a much much better player at Coors. So, there’s at least this one instance…
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Would you mind showing me where I said that?
Because I absolutely remember saying that I knew nothing about the Rockies players mentioned in the rumors.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
This seems like one of those situations
where everyone wins. Braves get the LFer they need. Rockies get the hitter and 2B they need. Prado goes to a park where he is likely to thrive, and most likely, get a big pay-day when his FA starts.
As long as he’s not traded for a platoon player, this would be a great deal for everyone involved.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 PM CST reply actions
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I’m failing to see the part where I supposedly said what you are accusing me of saying…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Really???
You weren’t replying to anyone.
This was said in the article:
“Atlanta is seeking outfield help, willing to consider moving Prado rather than use him in left field. The Rockies have outfield depth to start trade talks. Seth Smith could fit in a platoon for the Braves, and Charlie Blackmon, a former star at Georgia Tech, might satisfy the Braves” desire to get a center fielder of the future [.]"
And you said “As long as he’s not traded for a platoon player, this would be a great deal for everyone involved.” meaning if Smith isn’t platooned. Smith was the only MLB OF actually named from Rockies part in the article, I think it is safe to say you were referencing to Smith. Otherwise WTF were you rattling on about? You just saying crap to say it???
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
You do realize that I never once said that Smith was an upgrade over Prado, right?
It is possible that a trade in which we get two players is a good deal for us when we give up one player. Just because the trade overall could be good, doesn’t mean that one of the players involved will be an upgrade over Prado by himself.
Continue to dig, my friend.
I do find it entertaining that you are attempting to tell me what I think.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Why make the trade if Smith isn’t an upgrade? Because we are getting another player that some scouts suggest is a backup OF in MLB? I guess if you see it as good then whatever. Your explanation made no sense, but it is what it is ;)
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Because it is possible that 2 players are better than one.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Smith who isn’t better than Prado, and then a player that some scouts and respected people think is a future backup OF? Ok, if you think that may be better, whatever floats your boat…
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
In his defense
he also thought Prado and Teheran was worth Stephen Drew earlier this offseason. He still may.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Look justin...
…I think I see that pattern here. You insist that all of your posts be taken literally—-for example here, you state that your saying that the trade rumor would be good doesn’t mean that you think Smith would be an upgrade even though that would be the most logical reason to like the trade idea. But then you also think others use ridiculous hyperbole while you only use obvious sarcasm. You cannot blame people for making the obvious inferences from the comments you make. If you don’t want people to make said obvious inferences, your comments should specify that you aren’t saying what you appear to be saying.
The pattern I see is obstinately arguing to an absurd degree about literally anything whatsoever simply for the sake of argument. To me, it seems likely related to just messing with us for his own personal entertainment or possibly to a self-indulgent need to stroke his ego and be a dominant figure here.
You don’t get 42,328 comments in less than 3 years if you don’t like to argue. :D It’s absolutely nothing wrong with having this many comments or arguing, just saying you need to enjoy arguing to have that many comments(or are a mod, or have been here for almost the very beginning). I have been here since July 5th 2007 and I only have 1,894 comments, mainly cause I don’t want to argue with every single person about every single topic/issue. That’s just me though.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
I think you need to comment more.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 18, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
And justin less. He’s insane.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 18, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad to see that you dedicate so much of your energy towards making personal posts about me.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I’m glad that you are glad, too.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 19, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Really don't want to see Prado leave...
Truly.
I think trading JJ makes a lot of sense, but only if we can get decent value in return. Unlike the Lowe situation, I doubt anyone simply wants to unload JJ.
It will be interesting to see what eventually happens with these two players, or even any other Brave who ends up traded.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
agree
Especially dont want to see them Prado for Seth Smith, their numbers are similar, except Smith is a lefty who cant hit lefties. Not an upgrade in my opinion.
"I Farted" - Me, everday
Plus, he's popular.
I understand baseball is first and foremost a business, and if the right trade presents itself, then almost anyone is available. Being popular, both in the clubhouse and by the fans, doesn’t show up on the scoreboard, as Frenchy would say, but it should count for something, at least to me.
Trading Prado for trash could create some ill will among the fans and the remaining players.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
hehehe…the title of this blog is awesome.
by michaeldlee1480 on Nov 17, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions
Tend to agree with DOB on this one
Love JJ and Martin but I think they both end up getting dealt. Could be wrong
I’d hate to see Jurrjens traded, but at least we have his replacement in house. Prado, just doesn’t make sense to me. He’s basically a starter at 2 positions. Trade JJ for prospects and salary relief and sign Cespedes. $4.5M for Prado on the bench is not that out of line.
"First!"...Who gives a damn if you are first
PNP
Please, not Prado. I know it has been discussed at length and both sides have been espoused, but the fact is simple….
Prado is the wife’s favorite player, and I don’t want to hear the complaints should he leave.
Frank, keep my home happy!
At the age of six I wanted to be a chef. At seven I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambition has been steadily growing ever since. -Salvador Dali
by Kushagi on Nov 17, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Prado is an absolute bargain...
It had better take a massive haul of talent to pull the trigger. With Prado, this doesn’t make sense at all…because I don’t see how 100-200 PAs from 3B is expendable when there are no in-house options ready to step in at either 3B or LF.
I know the clubhouse loves JJ, but everybody has to understand the numbers game with our SP depth.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
by TBuzz on Nov 17, 2011 10:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If our payroll really is "increasing," I don't see why Prado has to go.
If we are increasing payroll (and move JJ or Hanson, which should be the priority) this should be enough to keep Prado. Losing Prado would hurt more than Infante.
Cut Hinske, if anything. I don’t re how stand-up of a guy he is… the majority of his AB’s are a waste of an out.
Our story the last 2 years has more-or-less been the same….. We go far…. But never far enough after injuries, and you get the feeling that if our payroll had been around $100 mil, we could have possibly gotten another ring, especially in 2010.
Trading Prado for any of the names being floated around there is mindless. The guy is making less than 8 mil, and is worth every penny Because, hypothetically, if someone at 3rd goes down in May for the entire summer, it’s nice to have Prado.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Gaby Sanchez - 1, Nyjer Morgan - 0
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions
With Wren
It’ll probably be Conrad and some high-A relief pitcher for Seth Smith.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
TIW
Trust in Wren. He’s no dummy. He knows Prado’s value, his popularity, his versatility, back up to Chipper etc. If we trade him, we’ll do it because we get a great return. The problem is, he wants a power outfield bat. And it doesn’t make much sense for a team to trade a power bat for a super utility guy like Marteen.
Which is why it makes more sense that JJ will be the one traded for said bat.
I expect Prado to stay and JJ to go.
Doesnt matter what we do. As long as Barney Rubble is still managing this team. He did all the wrong things, which all of it was magnified in the last weeks.
by Slinkyjoe on Nov 17, 2011 12:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That, too. I would be more open to the idea of TP managing next year, and stick Fredi at first. The guy is a fool, that has the “look” of a baseball manager, and that can go a long way…. He doesn’t understand t this team needs to do to win in the slightest.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
SO TRUE!
It’s like he wants us to fail or something so he can get himself fired!
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
I could have managed this team into the playoffs, if given the chance. And that says something. because I’m not in the category of some of these ’uber-baseball-guys" around here.
But I guarantee you I could have gotten us to the playoffs. Fredi’s moves were mindless. Yeah, there’s always injuries, but you have to w with what you have, and Fredi was nowhere near the pulse of this team. It was like he was on the pulse of a dead rally squirrell behind the dugout. I will never stop rooting for this team, but with Gonzalez at the helm, there is less reason to be as enthused. The guy is a fool.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Gaby Sanchez - 1, Nyjer Morgan - 0
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
*work
jeez, this work keyboard sucks ass
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Gaby Sanchez - 1, Nyjer Morgan - 0
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
:)
Keyboard – 1
Chief – 0
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by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
[passes ou
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Gaby Sanchez - 1, Nyjer Morgan - 0
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Make that 2-0!! LOL
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
no, well, I…..passed out…..so, the ’ t] ’ didn’t make it….
ermm……. nvm lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Gaby Sanchez - 1, Nyjer Morgan - 0
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha!!!!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I could have managed this team into the playoffs, if given the chance
I will not even entertain this fantasy, because it has about as much chance of reality as Chipper not copping an attitude with you about batting 2nd in the lineup…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Again, why isn’t Heyward….nevermind, that horse is dead. :)
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
You can still find its corpse lingering around here somewhere I am sure
and most of us on here have a whip tucked away for rainy days…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, that corpse is right next to the 38 shortstop posts!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Including an ill thought out post by yours truly
asking if we could get Tulo in exchange for Jurrjens, Prado, and Pastornicky. I think one response summed it up quite well: “LOL”
Some days boredom in the office gets the best of me…
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
as you shouldn't
the next 2 sentences that you left out tell the complete tale, tho…
they need to make a change. asap
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would disagree by saying it certainly didn’t help Fredi that Prado and Heyward (who proved perfectly capable of hitting 1-2 in 2010) had terrible slumps. It’s really easy to point out the negatives when it’s next to impossible to point out the positives because you don’t know how it would have turned out otherwise.
It’s not a job I would want…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
David Ross sat on a bench for the remainder of the season, wondering, ".......Wtf?"
I do know. We needed the tiniest boost….to get something going… that could have been it.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Gaby Sanchez - 1, Nyjer Morgan - 0
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes I don’t see the need to worry that much about who hits where in your lineup when you are getting 2-hit by Chris Capuano…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Parrish would have been gone in July. whatever he was/wasn’t telling those guys was seriously detrimental.
again, just things I would have done differently
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Nov 17, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
if/when Jurrjens and/or Prado is traded
I’ll be sad regardless of what kind of haul the Braves get back…but it’s part of the game and being a fan in this day and age
by LEastCoastBears on Nov 17, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Braves GM Frank Wren and agent Adam Katz are now meeting in Milwaukee, tweets MLBTR’s Ben Nicholson-Smith. Katz is a part of Wasserman Media Group and represents a number of players, including Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes. To view WMG’s client list, check out MLBTR’s Agency Database.
Looking through the list, I stopped when I saw Starlin Castro as one of their clients. Yesterday, I read the Cubs are listening on all of their players.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Castro isn’t going anywhere unless the Cubs get a haul of A prospects in return. Sure, he’d look pretty effing good in a Braves uniform, but in order to trade for him, the Braves would have to deal at least 1 of the Big 4, along with Bethancourt and others. Couple that with Castro being a bit of a headcase (according to reports) – thanks, but I’ll pass.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, you're probably right. hell of a hitter though
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Absolutely right
The kid can rake, for sure.
It’s just like FW said about everyone being available in a trade. Sure, FW will listen to offers, but he’d have to be blown away to make a deal on certain players. Same goes for Theo in Chi-town. Everyone’s available at the right price.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Unless he’s THAT much of a headcase, there’s no way he’s leaving the Cubs.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
He just smacks of Hanley Ramirez, 2.0, in my head. The kid has a ton of talent, but he looks like he could give less than a sh*t about playing defense. He almost looks bored out there.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't be surprised though if they are listening on castro
they got that stud Junior Lake in their system and they could have Barney play stopgap
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
yeah, I think Castro has too many attitude issues for the Braves FO
personally, unless it is absolutely Hanley, I would put up with it until they mature if the bat was hot enough
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously this time?
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
Of course he is…he just wants your first born, left nut and right leg in return.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Easily done.
Prado probably has children all over the place, so he’ll supply the first born. Left nut? McCann has an extra set. Right leg? Chipper hasn’t used it in a couple years anyway.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
not sure McCann has any left to be honest.
some of those foul balls looked BRUTAL!
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Well, Uggla has at least one extra if needed.
If we can land [Stephen Drew], I will give FW a bj.
~justincredubil02
by king of games on Nov 17, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
WE GOT UPTON!
So what else do we need? Shortstop, right? Oh wait, we have Prado.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
My Take on dealing Prado/JJ
OK, here goes:
The whole point in trading away JJ is simple – money. It’s about the fact that we don’t believe we will be able to retain both he and Hanson when they hit free agency. In a relatively light free agent class for quality SP’s, it makes perfect sense to dangle JJ, in the hopes of getting a sizable return. I don’t really think FW believes he’s going to get a Greinke-like return for him, but even if it comes close, I think he’ll pull the trigger on a deal.
As far as Prado is concerned, I’m torn. I can see the value of Prado, mainly as a person who can step in and fill in for Chipper at 3B when Chipper needs a day off and/or has his normal DL stint next season. He’s a team guy, but not an ideal LF’er IMHO. If we were to trade away JJ, and sign Cepedes to step in and play LF in 2012 (if he’s ready), I’m fine with Prado staying for 2012 and beyond. I believe Prado’s value is for 2013 more than next season, as he will fill Chipper’s shoes at 3rd when he hangs em up.
My 2 cents on the topic – I’ll go ahead and grab the Kevlar now. Fire when ready!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
Relax...not firing
JJ is coming of age, in terms of compensation, and I think having 8-9 SPs in the pipeline necessitates having some odd men out. Considering that JJ is Arb-2, is a Boras client, and relies on contact with a slow infield…he pretty much has to be the odd man out.
I think we need to look at Prado not strictly as a LF. He will never pass that eye test (then again, if that test is Carlos Lee or Carlos Quentin). However, I would argue that we have that “prototypical” LF-type hitter playing at 2B. So when you look at the aggregate…and consider Martin’s affordability, fielding, versatility, and throw in some pretty decent career batting numbers…to me its a no-brainer to keep him.
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Haha...I was joking about the Kevlar
and I couldn’t agree more RE: JJ being the odd man out.
RE: Prado – I can understand both sides of the discussion, so it’s a situation where if we can find someone better in LF for 2012 (hence why I mentioned Cepedes), I can see him either leaving via trade, or going back to a bench guy/SU type for next season. That’s assuming JJ is traded for prospects/salary relief.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Actually you make some good points as far as I am concerned
I don’t think that we will win the Cespedes sweepstakes though…
(but it would sure as heck be nice if we did)
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
If the rumors are true, and he wants to stay close to home, so to speak, we have a chance. I’m good with spending $5 million per season for a guy like that, if we deal either JJ or Prado. If they both stay, we probably don’t have the cash to sign him. It’s encouraging to see FW at least meeting with Katz about it.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
And believe it or not
Atlanta actually has a sizable Cuban community. This is something that surprised me greatly to learn.
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
Strong Side / Weak Side: Chipper Jones
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/chipper-jones,8431/
by Santaklose11 on Nov 17, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Occupy Atlanta
Don’t let Prado go!
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
I’ll pack his bags :)
In baseball, you're supposed to sit on your ass, spit tobacco, and nod at stupid things. Perfect life might I add.
by HeywardFTW! on Nov 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not a lot of trade chatter lately from the Braves...
I wonder if they’re in the midst of serious negotiations with someone as we speak…
"Reach down in there...TURN THAT DAMN THING UP!" - Coach Paul Johnson
Definitely a possibility. Usually we’d hear some musings by now.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
People get riled up when I post – can you imagine their reactions to HIS posts???
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
“YOUR FUCKING WRONG!” -BigJoe in response to one of my first posts.
Daffy Duck goes to bed at 10:00 every night, except on New Year's Eve, he goes to bed at 8:30.
by bwellnjonesco on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Caps too, huh? Officially gem-worthy.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Shame I wasn't around for that.
My grammar-nazi side would have had a field day.
I hated him at first, and now, I miss him. lol
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I must have missed it…who’s BigJoe, and what kind of posts are they? Intel, people…I need intel!
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
You should just search for posts made by someone with that moniker.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
That bad, huh?
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Or good
depending on your perspective.
He was far more blunt than anyone here, and extremely intelligent.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll have to poke around later and check it out. It should, at the very least, make for some interesting reading.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
BigJoe is a legend here in this village. I do miss his impeccible comedic timing, and willingness to insult your knowledge. Don’t see much of him these days, unless he is posting under another name.
My thoughts exactly! lol
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
ya, I remember BigJoe back in the day. Why did he end up leaving? Didn’t know if there was a reason he left or just got tired of posting on Talking Chop.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
He has his own blog now.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
You're taking alot of heat here Swanson.
I would have thought they would have targeted that Sanchez fella before aiming at you.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 18, 2011 12:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m Ron F-ing Swanson.
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
i guess
Yunel Prado must have pissed Bobby Fredi off now they are trading him. Now we need to figure out who is the LF equivalent of Alex Gonzalez
So THAT explains Delmon Young…
My dad taught me how to make meat for sloppy joes and my mom let me turn over hot dogs on the grill.
by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Oh please God no.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 17, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Or Seth Smith away from Coors Field
You won't always agree with me...Because sometimes you're wrong.
by JonnyBravesFan on Nov 18, 2011 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
270 comments
Guesstimated Breakdown:
200 comments on Prado
60 comments on Justincredubil02
10 comments on JJ
This tells me that Prado is very popular, and more ppl are discussing whether or not justin is a DB, than the fact that JJ could be traded. No one cares about JJ…..poor JJ
Melky was a fail, but that was Melky’s fault, or the fault of Atlanta for having awesome cheeseburgers and ribs.
by Broccoman on Feb 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST
We have a 26 year old all-star pitcher on the verge of leaving town and he is outshined by our resident pseudo-troll.
Sad indeed.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Told you it would be a fun afternoon…LOL
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
by DolphinNation on Nov 18, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe...
There should be a limit to the number of posts one can make on a given fanpost? I mean does someone have to post 60,70 or 80 times to make a point and then attempt to clarify it? I have seen Aaron and Spahn traded my heart was broken,but I am still a Brave fan. I would prefer to see Uggla traded and Prado moved to second base. That is my opinion.
by mikie baseball on Nov 18, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'm almost in tears laughing at this thread
“There’s no time to talk about JJ when the bigger point of concern right now is that Justin is a D-bag for the manner in which he argues.”
DFA Heyward. I'm dead serious
by wpf3211 on Aug 6, 2011 9:11 PM EDT
When all else fails – beat yourself.
by NCChopper on Sep 12, 2011 9:47 PM EDT
Good article about Prado from fangraphs
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-trade-martin-prado/
I don’t think braves will get fair value for him either if they deal him now. Glad others agree…
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
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