2011 Atlanta Braves Player Reviews: Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson
Today, we take a look at Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson, whom many expected to gradually take the reins of leadership to a pitching staff that was a balanced blend of veterans, young rising stars, and rookies. Despite the fact that Jurrjens is more of a finesse pitcher, while Hanson is the prototypical power pitcher, unfortunately both of their seasons pretty much followed the same script: fantastic first halves of the season, followed by nagging injuries, resulting in plummeting numbers and ultimately early ends to their seasons. Although it was a thing of beauty seeing some of the Braves' youngsters accept the challenge and deliver some wonderful rookie performances, many of us are still left to wonder how the script may have differed had the team had their two young stallions assumed their scheduled starts instead.
Prior to the All-Star break, Jair Jurrjens was among the best pitchers in the Major Leagues. Heading into the break, Jair was leading the Major Leagues in wins with a 12-3 record, as well as a majors-best 1.87 ERA. Jurrjens notched his first complete game against the Padres on April 26th, and also a one-hit shutout of the Orioles on July 1st. He was averaging 6.2 innings a start during this time, and held 441 batters to a pedestrian .229/.276/.310 slash with a 1.066 WHIP. Such credentials also earned Jair Jurrjens a trip to Arizona, for his first-ever All-Star selection, where he retired five straight American League All-Stars in 1.2 innings of work.
Advanced statistics are rarely complementary to contact pitchers like Jair Jurrjens, but the fact of the matter was that what he was doing was working for him and the Braves, as the team was 12-4 in his 16 pre-ASG starts. Unfortunately, it was after the All-Star Game that Jurrjens' stellar season began to unravel.
Jair made just seven starts after the All-Star Game in which the Braves went 4-3, but Jurrjens himself just 1-3, with two trips to the disabled list, due to soreness to his right knee. Six of those starts saw earned runs; five of them with four or more, and four starts saw Jurrjens yielding home runs to the opposition. Overall, hitters were hitting Jair to the tune of a .301/.376/.571 line with a 1.645 WHIP, before he was ultimately deactivated for the remainder of the season, again due to right knee troubles.
It's easy to pinpoint the knee woes as Jurrjens' downfall for the season, because before it began flaring up, there really were few pitchers who gobbled up innings and breezed through lineups as efficiently as Jurrjens was doing. Overall, Jurrjens' numbers as a whole aren't terrible to look at due to the fantastic first half. A 13-6 record with a 2.96 ERA, 1.22 WHIP and an overall .249/.384/.384 slash line. Advanced stats reveal him pitching above his 3.99 FIP, and his skill-independent ERA was 4.43. It should be worth noting that Jurrjens was somewhat of a wizard at dealing with his base-runners, as he stranded a career best 81%. Starts like this should be pretty indicative of that.
Jair Jurrjens is the kind of pitcher that is often debated over by traditionalists and the sabr-minded. The old-school loves his fearless approach to allowing contact and letting hitters hit themselves out, while the new-age scoff at the low K/9 rates, BABIP, and that the luck will eventually, eventually, run out. Ultimately, when the day is over, the only thing matters is if the Braves win or not, and if Jair Jurrjens was a contributing factor or not. The interesting thing about Jair's peripherals is that in spite of the (Braves) career-low 5.33 K/9 rate and the poor finish to the season, Jurrjens still notched a career best 2.61 BB/9 and 2.05 K/BB ratio, as well as a respectable 0.83 HR/9 that was heavily skewed by the nine dingers in his last seven starts as opposed to the prior five in 16. 2011 Jurrjens allowed a career-high 22.2 batted balls per start versus a career-low 18.5 in 2010. Compared previous year, when he simply averaged more strikeouts and walks per nine, as far as the Braves' record was concerned, the 2011 Jair Jurrjens was more effective.
The story of Tommy Hanson's 2011 was much of the same, with the exception of the style of pitching, and fairly blatantly being snubbed off of the National League's All-Star team. A dominant season prior to the All-Star game saw Tommy Hanson go 10-4 (team, 12-5) with a 2.44 ERA, while striking out 109 batters. 413 hitters were held to a minuscule .190/.264/.317 slash line while he struck out 9.5 per nine in these 17 starts which also saw a brief 15-day disabled list trip in mid-June.
Like Jair Jurrjens, almost immediately after the All-Star Game, things began to crumble for Tommy Hanson as well. He was actually striking out more batters in his last five starts at a 11.1 K/9 clip, but he was still simply allowing more hits (.313 batting average), they were finding places to land (.373 BABIP), and often for extra bases (17 XBH, 8 HR in five starts vs. 29 XBH, 9 HR in 17 prior starts). On August 6th, Tommy Hanson exited the game against the Mets after just 3.1 innings, yielding seven earned runs on eight hits, with four of those being home runs. The next day, he was placed on the disabled list with shoulder tendinitis, and did not pitch again for the remainder of the season.
Shoulder injuries are arguably as bad, if not worse than blowing out an elbow. At least with Tommy John Surgery, there's a fairly predictable rehabilitation timeframe before knowing whether or not a pitcher can go reliably, but with shoulder injuries, sometimes it's like constantly having to look over your shoulder at the chance that something painful could flare up again. It kind of goes without saying that Hanson was affected by his own shoulder troubles; one only has to look at his general velocity throughout the year which saw all of his primary pitches down on average of 1-3 mph across the board.
It's painfully evident when Hanson's shoulder began flaring up because pretty much all across his entire stat sheet, everything took a negative turn in July. Most notably were the decrease in groundball percentage, and the uptick in line drive percentage. The funny thing is that the strikeouts and walks weren't really impacted during this time, but if you were to look at the sheer volume of pitches, strikes versus balls, thrown in July, it looked to appear as if batters were more capable of fouling off pitches and staying alive against Hanson, forcing him to exert himself further. Basically, hitters were a little too capable of fighting with Hanson before either striking out, or hitting line drives, during his grueling July.
I want to say there are concerns for his sheer swing-and-miss stuff, but considering there was evident shoulder troubles, I'll err on the side of saying such woes will correct themselves when Tommy Hanson is back to being fully healthy again. Regardless, I still think Hanson is a little bit too reliant on the strikeout, and would not mind seeing him actually go beyond six innings, let alone seven on a more consistent basis in the future. In 2011, Hanson managed seven seven-inning outings, but no more than that; exactly half of his 22 starts saw Tommy make at least 100 pitches.
It's also worth noting that it's no secret that base runners like to run on Tommy Hanson, but in 2011, he was on pace for a career-worst 47 steals allowed; his starts saw an average of over one batter stealing on him, as opposed to one or less in his two prior years.
Regardless of it all though, Tommy Hanson will still be just 25 entering the 2012 season, and there's no reason to believe that there's still no time for him to develop and grow into the ace pitcher we all hope he'll become. Like Jurrjens, in spite of the poor finish to the 2011 season, his overall numbers aren't at all that bad. An 11-7 record with a 3.60 ERA, striking out 142 batters in just 130.0 innings, leading to a career best 9.83 K/9 rate. His walks increased a little to 3.18 BB/9, but since he was striking out so many, his K/BB still remains unchanged from the year prior at 3.09. And since he's a sweet strikeout pitcher, his 3.67 FIP and 3.63 SIERA sync up pretty well with his ERA. Overall, he still held batters to a wimpy .219/.289/.390, with a 1.169 WHIP, and lefties not faring that much better against him.
Conclusion
Going into the offseason, there was a lot of speculation from many of us authors, as well as many Braves fans making educated guesses, that one of these two young stallions was going to be traded. With the glut of starting pitching talent waiting in the wings in the forms of Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado and Mike Minor, and a combination of concerns involving arbitration-related salary raises and/or the involvement of agent Scott Boras, who represents both Jurrjens and Hanson, many felt that the potential that both harness could justify preemptively moving one of them before they commanded high(er) salaries.
However, I have to imagine with the successful (albeit a little expensive) moving of the Sisyphus' boulder known as Derek Lowe's contract, may put a halt on such notions, at least until mid-season. $5 million dollars is alleviated in the transaction, which may help cover the arb-2 raise that Jurrjens is due, not to mention what may or may not happen with the status of Tommy Hanson and his not-Super-Two status. If anything at all, this increases the chance that both Jurrjens and Hanson will start the 2012 season as Braves, to hopefully quell any suitors' concerns that they are injury risks, before one may potentially be traded, and then replaced by one of the Four Horsemen.
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I don't think the Lowe trade
impacts the chances of a Jurrjens/(less likely) Hanson trade. Lowe was not in the rotation plans anyway. I think Jurrjens is fairly likely to be traded in the next year, either now or in by the trade deadline next year. He’s a better candidate than Hanson because he’s already pitched (in the instructional league) and because his injury is not a more worrisome shoulder issue.
The timing of any SP trade depends on what is being offered and what the Braves need. If they can’t get the SS or OF they want without trading Jurrjens, or if an injury creates another hole in the lineup, they’ll trade him. I think Wren & co. like JJ a lot, but I’m certain that they also like Teheran and Delgado a lot, too. And it’s a simple matter to see which of those 3 guys has the least value relative to his salary, since JJ makes so much more $$.
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With Hanson failing to reach super 2
I don’t see him going anywhere until at the earliest next off season, as we try to work out an extension with him.
But like you, I think we’re willing to stand pat with JJ. We’ll move him if we can get a SS or LF we really want, but otherwise, we keep him for now.
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so, his failure to be a super 2 means we have control for 2012 + 3 arbitration years at which point he becomes a free agent and we would likely be getting top draft choices? if so, and he does as good as we all expect and stays reasonably healthy, I could see the team holding on to him for at least 3 of the 4 years, regardless of whether he agrees to an extension.
Depends on how Teheran, Vizcaino, Beachy, Minor, and Delgado continue to develop
but for a team that has to be conscious of salary, selling high on Hanson to restock the farm and address lineup needs may make sense if those 5 can become all they’re hyped up to become. It’s basically a wait and see approach. They may extend him this winter, at which point he certainly stays. They may have more poor negotiations, get great performances from the above 5, and decide to keep Hudson + them in our rotation for 2012 moving Hanson for an elite 3B or LF next winter. It’s too far off to say anything for sure aside from there’s a whole lot of directions in which things may play out.
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from the team’s standpoint, and assuming the player does not go into a bad attitude-related performance tailspin,do you really think that “poor negotiations” are much of a factor?
I'm not making any assumptions
and they’ve been a factor for players before, and will be again. What I “really think” doesn’t matter anyway. Hence that last sentence of these moves being “too far off to say anything for sure aside from there’s a whole lot of directions in which things may play out.” emphasis added
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I'm sure Scott Boras has done this sort of saber-rattling before...
with young talented players to entice teams to lock them up early, or entice his player to accept the idea of FA more readily than they normally would’ve.
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by TBuzz on Nov 1, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Given the fact that regardless, we won’t be able to keep both JJ and Tommy, I’d be OK with sending JJ + Sprull or Hoover for Andrus this off-season.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 1, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Contending teams don't usually sell at the deadline...
Conversely, non-contending teams usually sell to rid themselves of salary and maximize their return with young talent. But I can’t think of many trades where contending teams dealt ML players strength-for-strength.
If we’re in serious contention by late 2012, I would imagine its because JJ and Tommy are having decent-to-good years. Throw in Huddy, Beachy, and Minor/Teheran as your remaining starters, with Minor/Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino in Gwinnett…we’d be stupid for dealing away a solid pitcher with 2 months remaining in the season.
And considering the injury history of the two (with JJ’s being far worse), what happens if the guy we would want to deal is injured in July anyway? That’s why if a trade gets made I really think it needs to be made in the offseason…the end of ST at the latest.
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the experience we just had last year, as well as (for that matter) the two previous years, with starting pitchers going down with injuries, suggests to me that if we are again in the hunt, FW will probably continue to hoard our over-abundance of starting pitchers like they are gold and he is Fort Knox.
I would keep JJ this year
He’ll probably pull off a 170 innings of ~3.50 ERA with uninspiring peripherals. Sell off his last arb year to a team desperate for starting pitching. I don’t think the organization will sell low because of some nagging injuries.
by another simpsons avatar on Nov 1, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
The problem with the "nagging" injuries
if they don’t come back, and he has a stellar season, it could be “selling low”. But if they do reoccur, and that nagging knee suffers a signficant injury, it’d drive his value down, and we’d be “selling high”. Without a crystal ball, it’s hard to say one way or the other.
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That’s the exact reason why I’d deal JJ this off-season. When he was healthy this year, he was lights out, but that knee worries me. I think his value is at its peak right now (the injury late in the season doesn’t help, though). If we keep him, we run the risk of him re-injuring that knee, and his value plummets due to that “nagging” injury that you pointed out.
Worst case scenario, if we deal him now, and the Big 3 don’t develop as they should next season, we can always pick up Huddy’s option for the following year. Then you still have a front 3 of Huddy, Hanson, and Beachy – and some combination of Minor, JT, Delgado and Medlen for the back end of the rotation. Even under this scenario, we have enough arms – what we don’t have is a shortstop or left-fielder.
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by DolphinNation on Nov 1, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we keep Huddy either was as the veteran voice.
I think he;s a Brave until he retires, and he doesn’t seem close to retire yet.
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This
Huddy provides such a veteran presence in the pen and how many times have we heard how important that is! Not to mention, I just love seeing that guy pitch!
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I don't see his value increasing with that type of year.
His Arb 3 year likely won’t be much below market value, and as a 1 year rental as opposed to 2 he probably loses any value that proving his knee to be healthy would gain.I’d think JJ’s trade value is likely as high now as it ever will be, with the possible exception of at the deadline this year.
by Stephen Schmidt on Nov 1, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Best case scenario
Both JJ and Hanson duplicate and sustain their great 1st half results of 2011 in 2012, including dominating performances in the playoffs (to hopefully win the Braves the World Series). Then, even if they drove their arbitration prices to an insanely high level, Braves can still trade one of them away for a king’s ransom.
One can only dream….

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