Torii Hunter and his limited no-trade clause....
So, I was rosterbating and came across Torii Hunter as a bad contract swap candidate with Derek Lowe. However, I see Torii has a limited no-trade clause but the Braves aren't listed as of his "undesirables". Is it as simple as that? Or, is there more at work with these limited no trade clause contracts? Any info would be appreciated.
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ryan c
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Last off season i wanted us to make a move for him and remember seeing somewhere that he grew up a Braves fan and would be open to a trade to them or the Cubs i think. However, although its a bad contract, he was much more productive than Lowe and I would think it’d take more.
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As far as your question
it all depends on the technicality of the terms. Some guys have compete no trade clauses, some can name a certain amount of teams they’d accept a trade to, others can veto trades to selected teams.
Spring Training is the greatest thing that can't end soon enough
The interesting thing from an Angeles prespective is....
1) It would open up an everyday spot for Trout.
2) It would give them another 4 mil to spend. If the rumors are true and they are thinking about a run at Reyes, and extra 4 mil to spend could help.
At this point in their career’s no one would be willing to take on the ful load of either guys last year, unless it is a bad contract for bad contract swap. I think the Braves should at least kick the tires and see if something can be done.
If they’re making a run for Reyes, I’d rather see the Braves target Aybar…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
That makes a lot of sense.....
Posted a trade like that somewhere. But I would think that Hunter would be the must move because of salary to get Reyes. But I would go for a deal where the Braves got Hunter and Aybar, depending on the cash picked up by the Angeles.
Salary...
Isn’t a big issue with the Angels. They have a little more than $20MM to spend without increasing payroll from the previous season and adding Reyes could come @ $15MM net (subtracting Aybar’s projected arbitration salary out).
The Braves could move Jurrjens and Ross for Aybar + prospects, which would give the Angels a really solid rotation and fill their catching need, which they’d have a really tough time filling in the FA market…Hernandez is the only truly decent option available, and he’s a Type A free agent. Really doubt they want to give away their first pick for him.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
The Angels don't have a catching need...
…so long as Scioscia is the manager. It doesn’t matter how good of a hitting catcher they acquire, he is going to play a good glove can’t hit a lick guy over him anyway. They have no reason to trade for a backup catcher.
David Ross is one of the best gloves in the game behind the plate and is offensively better than anyone available at this point. He’s a back-up on the Braves, but would probably start for half the teams in the league.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
although, he resigned cheap with us for a reason
yeah, I’m sure he knows it’s a business, and he can be traded, but it would seem kind of a dick move cause if he wanted to start, he could have easily gotten that chance as a FA a year ago. But he wanted to stay here as half of the best catcher situation in the bigs.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
•Angels owner Arte Moreno said that the Halos’ 2012 payroll will be in the $130-140MM range, according to Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter link), which would prevent them from pursuing any expensive free agents. In the Angels’ installment of MLBTR’s Offseason Outlook series, Ben Nicholson-Smith calculated that the Angels will have about $120MM on the books before accounting for players making the league minimum, so new GM Jerry Dipoto will have about $10-20MM to play with.
Last season, Arte Moreno was willing to pay top dollar to get the best free agent. He ended up saving a dime by opting to trade for Vernon Wells… except that transaction didn’t work out well.
This season, Moreno isn’t as willing to flash his wallet, the Orange County Register reports. Moreno admitted that payroll got a bit unwieldy last season as payroll soared to a franchise-high $142 million thanks to Wells and two free-agent signings in Scott Downs and Hisanori Takahashi. And this year?
"I would say that $130 [million], $140 [million] range we’re pretty comfortable in," the owner said.
The Angels have $99 million allocated to just nine players next season, so it will be difficult for the club to round out the squad with capable players. Losing Joel Pineiro, Fernando Rodney and Russell Branyan will help, but neither were albatrosses either. They will also shed having to pay Gary Matthews Jr. and Scott Kazmir, which works in their favor even more, but arbitration raises are due to quite a few people, and significant raises could be on the way for Howie Kendrick and Erick Aybar in particular. After arbitration, the Angels could be around $120 million, which will leave them bargain-bin shopping for bullpen and rotation help.
This news likely leaves L.A. out in the cold for significant free agents, but things can change quickly.
Looks as if the figgure you came up with them spending is the max, thay may only have 10 mil. I think Reyes could get more that 15 mil per. And just my thinking personally….. If they are willing to trade us Ayber and Hunter with some significant cash, I could go for that. AS far as it being a prospect instead of Hunter, it would have to be a good one. Would it be enought tp pry Jean Segura or Kaleb Cowart away?
fWAR- Lowe: 2.5 Hunter: 2.5
bWAR- Lowe: -0.4 Hunter: 2.2
Depending on the source, it’s either and incredibly even swap or an incredibly lopsided swap.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
The disparity for Lowe is due to the fact that fWAR is based on predictive metrics like FIP, while bWAR is results-based. I would lean toward the results side in this case to determine his true value.
by swainzy on Oct 30, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FIP is results-based rather than predictive. xFIP is predictive.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
When I say that FIP is predictive, I mean that it’smuch more of an indicator of future performance than the ERA+ that’s used in bWAR, which is pretty much just the raw guaging of the past performance.
Neither is predictive – both are based solely upon what has happened in games alone. ERA+ is not predictive, either. It’s just league-adjusted to put itself on a 100-point scale.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
All I’m saying is that if I want to figure out how likely it is for a pitcher to perform well in the future, I would rather look at his FIP from the last year or two so than his ERA+. I think It’s a matter of personal interpretation of “predictive”, because I understand what you’re saying, but FIP is also useful for predicting future performance.
That is the bad contract swap of Lowe that seems to be the most likely
although who knows just how likely “most” is, considering so many make no sense from our side or theirs.
They haven’t been worried about high payrolls, so they may not see the need for a pure salary dump and willing to take back a large salary. They have a gross excess of OFs and need to cut some. We have excess Ps and need to lose some. So that matches. We need an OF, so that fits. And after Santana, Haren, and Weaver, they might want another innings eater in case one of those 3 goes down, and to ideally pair with Chatwood in the back of their rotation. So it might be a fit. At least we can hope so. I’m not big on Hunter, especially at this age as he’s been going down, but he’d at least fit our needs better than Lowe would, and you never know if he has that one good run left. He’s a RH bat, which helps. And could play any of the 3 OF spots, so he’d be a defacto 4th OF able to back up Bourn in CF or Heyward in RF. Also at his age, you’d still want to give him regular rest, so Prado could get plenty of starts for all over to give him plenty of at bats.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I like the swap
No, Hunter’s not great, but you’re dead on by saying he’s far more ideal for us as far as ugly contracts go than Lowe is. Even if you assume his numbers are on a steady decline pace over the last three seasons, Hunter could very well be a .260/.330/.450/20 HR/20 Doubles hitter, which is a hell of a lot better than Lowe rotting in the pen/ minors or putting up another 4.5+ ERA season. His wRC+ has been 109 and 108 in 2010 and 2011 so he’s not on a sharpward downturn (yet, anyway).
Oh, and he hits lefties well too, both over his career and recently.
by crimsonqueen9 on Oct 30, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, it looks like it could be a great move.
Personally, I’ve always liked Hunter and he does at least offer some legitimate potential to make a substantial positive contribution to the team’s success. Lowe does not.
All Lowe offers is clogging up both the pitching staff and the budget.
Lowe must go.
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