Atlanta Braves 2012 Top Five Outfield Prospects
The more I go over this year's farm system the more I like our depth in the position prospects. Sure we still don't have a lot of impact bats, but it is better than it was last year this time and the outfield prospects are a testament to that. Last season Cory Harrilchak, Todd Cunningham and Adam Milligan were 1-2-3 on this list. Now those three are reversed and sitting at the bottom and they are all essentially the same players they were a year ago. Those three were all leap-frogged by two guys moving from the infield to center. There are a few other guys worth mentioning like Kurt Fleming, David Rohm and Chase Larsson who could all surprise next season.
1. Mycal Jones - B/T: R/R, Born: 05/30/1987, HT: 5' 10", WT: 170
The Braves drafted Jones in the fourth round in the 2009 draft with the understanding that he was an older but 'toolsy' JUCO guy whose athleticism they could turn into baseball skills before his prospect clock ran out. His athleticism has been evident in his time in the Atlanta organization after ranking second on Talking Chop's shortstop list in 2009, first among second basemen last season and now first among Braves' outfield prospects in 2011. While he appears to have found a home in center field for the foreseeable future (all reports on his defense were very positive) but questions still remain about his bat after an erratic year at the plate.
A quick glance at Myke's month-by-month plate discipline is an exercise in confusion. His first month and a half saw him post a 32/25 BB/K rate, a huge improvement over previous seasons and reason enough to get excited even with a low batting average (.196 in June). But July saw his rates do a 180 with a 7/35 BB/K but he still posted a .741 OPS due to increased power production. August saw him find a happy median as he his for average and power along with showing patience (.309/.411/.427) that resulted in his best month of the season before he finished the year on a terrible cold streak during September.
Jones' tools flash often enough to tantalize the fans and they are good enough to profile as an everyday player at the big league level, but he has yet to find the consistency that we look for in an everyday player. Despite the offensive rollercoaster 2011 was still a success for Myke because he showed that he could improve his plate discipline while adjusting to a new position and level of play. If his power returns in 2012 and the plate discipline remains he could put himself perfectly in line to fill Michael Bourn's shoes in 2013.
Jones got himself a MiLBy nomination for this superb defensive play:
The rest of the list after the jump...
2. Matt Lipka - B/T: R/R, Born: 04/15/1992, HT: 6' 1", WT: 195
The Braves first round draft pick in 2010 (35th overall), Matt Lipka was drafted as a shortstop and played all of 2011 there but the Braves made the decision after the season ended to move him to center field (where many draft experts projected he profiled best). Lipka played all of 2011 as a 19 year old in the Sally League after a solid season in the GCL in 2010. His 2011 season was essentially a throw away. The promotion to the Sally League was aggressive but most everyone thought it was appropriate given how well he hit in the GCL. Offensively he never could sustain a hot streak and failed to drive the ball with authority (it took him over 100 AB to collect his first extra base hit). His best full month came in August when he posted a .642 OPS, though in 22 September at bats he did have a near 1.100 OPS. Defensively he wasn't much better but I don't expect many 19 year athletic shortstops to be completely smooth with the glove.
There weren't many positives for Lipka in 2011: his plate discipline wasn't terrible, his speed was good though unrefined at times and he finished the year hitting better than he had all season. Lipka is well enough regarded and athletic enough that, while he may have lost some luster, his stock could rebound quickly with a good yet in 2012. The question is where will he start? Will the Braves send him back to Rome to get his feet under him or continue to challenge him by sending him to Lynchburg?
3. Adam Milligan - B/T: L/R, Born: 03/14/1988, HT: 6' 3", WT: 210
I have no doubt that if Adam Milligan had not gotten injured - twice - he would have been at the top of this list. Unfortunately for Milligan his injuries have severely hampered his development over the course of his career. His on the field performance has been phenomenal when he has been on the field and completely healthy but that has only been about half the time in his career. He missed all of 2010 with a shoulder surgery and this year he went on the DL in late June with a knee injury before returning for fives game in July and reaggravating it which got him shut down for for the year.
When he was on the field Milligan was a hitting machine with a .902 for the year backed by a .557 SLG. His plate discipline actually wasn't terrible after the first month and his .345 OBP is serviceable with his power output. Over half of his hits went for extra bases. His K rate was actually down from his last two stints in the Carolina League, but at 29.5% it is still scary high and needs to be monitored. Some people will try to compare him to for Braves first round pick Cody Johnson, but Johnson only dropped below 34% once for a season and never posted an OPS above .900 in a full season league. Milligan has some major questions to be answered, but the offensive presence he has is hard to ignore. If he is recovered in time for 2012 I will look for the Braves to bump him to AA after he has spent parts of three season in the Carolina League.
4. Cory Harrilchak - B/T: L/L, Born: 10/27/1987, HT: 5' 10", WT: 170
At first glance Cory Harrilchak's 2011 season doesn't jump out at you statistically, but a closer look especially at the end of the season shows a guy who made the adjustments to be a dangerous hitter by year's end. He finished 2011 with a .266/.338/.399 line but he had a .675 OPS in the first half and a .797 number after the all star break. He bottomed out in Mat with a lowly .468 OPS, then .694 in June followed by .801 in July, .772 in August and a short hot streak in September finishing him at 1.411.
At his best Harrilchak isn't going to offer many plus skills aside from good outfield defense with a nice arm in right. He has the ability to hit for average, but he doesn't take walks like you would expect and his speed on the basepaths is mediocre. He can play either corner outfield position and center in a pinch though his range would get overexposed in extended time there. Harrilchak profiles as a prototypical fourth outfielder and I imagine he will get some time in Atlanta within the next two years. He might be the next lightening in a bottle catch for the Braves but at the least he will be a serviceable backup. Look for him in Gwinnett to start 2012.
5. Todd Cunningham - B/T: S/R, Born: 03/20/1989, HT: 6' 0", WT: 200
The Braves 2010 second round pick has yet to wow us but so far has delivered steady play in the field and at the dish. His final OPS of .701 was right at league average though his terrible April (.250 wOBA) brought down his overall season stats. He got hot in May and June and looked like he had turned a corner until an injury sidelined him for most of June and all of July. He returned in August and his performance fell in between his April and May runs.
Cunningham offers good contact ability and solid plate discipline with very little pop. He is athletic enough that he could play several positions on the field but the Braves have never tried him anywhere other than the outfield. He doesn't have a cannon for an arm or amazing speed or range but he is solid in all aspects of the game. He is guy who needs to hit .300 to have real value and he has the ability to do just that. If he can take his plate discipline to the next level he could profile as an every day major leaguer. I feel that Cunningham has yet to show us everything he brings to the table and 2012 could be a breakout year for him. Look for him in Mississippi to start 2012.
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None of these guys are particularly bad
But as a prospect list? Ugh
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Frank Wren might as well draw up that extension for Michael Bourn…
Seriously though, LF is an area of long-term need and between any number of prospects on this list or Terdoslavich could eventually fill that role. CF is another matter. I like Mycal Jones, but he has to put a full, consistent year together first. I think if he consistently hits and is willing to play some middle IF and the OF spots he could make the ML squad sooner than later.
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I've always been a fan of Myke
I think he’ll be a good utility man for us.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's be careful when assigning "Utility" to someone...
it tends to stick with them ;)
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When you play for a team that has Chipper Jones and Jason Heyward
you’re basically a starter, not a utility man. Most utility men don’t get 300-400 AB’s like Prado will next season.
He hasn’t been a utility player since 2009, so I still don’t get why he needs to now…
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Basically a starter"
you just get 200 fewer PAs. But that’s not a big deal, right?
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It’s probably closer to a 100 AB difference, given known and expected injury history of those involved, but it is still a fairly significant difference.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
You think so?
Prado clocked about 650 in ‘10 and 600 in ’11, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest 600-650 as a decent target. The highest estimate I’ve seen for the PAs he’d get as a utility guy is 400-450, so 200 seems like a safe minimum.
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Still a dumb idea to remove 200 PAs from a career .775 OPS. The cost to get more production out of those 200 PAs in the form of a new LF is astronomical…
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He earned more than 500 PA in 2009, Infante had more than 500 PA in 2010. So I’d go off a 500 PA estimate for the utility spot, as there will be injuries that occur.
650 PA is pretty lofty for any player not leading off, and Prado was leading off in 2010. He won’t be any longer, obviously. Realistically, I think he’s going to fall to sixth or lower in the order, assuming Jason comes back healthy and ready to play. But perhaps a starting Martin in the two-hole will persist, in which 650 would be more appropriate.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Kinda fair, but
That’s not planning for injuries, that’s planning for huge injuries. Infante was starting every game for us for the last few months of ‘10, and Prado was the same way in ’09 (there are all of 3 games after June 25th in ’09 where Prado didn’t get at least 3 PAs).
Planning for people to have injuries is one thing; planning for injuries that turn your utility guy into a starter for the rest of the year is another.
The numbers will probably go down for Prado anyway, though, since he’s (hopefully, anyway) not going to be at the top of the order any more. So yeah, probably more like 100-150 PAs depending on how healthy he stays.
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No on Omar.
Chipper went down mid-August, and Prado went down LATE in 2010, only missed a few games at the tail end before the playoffs. Yunel had a 15-day DL stint in 2010, as did Prado, but that’s it.
You have to expect Chipper to have some issues throughout the season, probably a DL stint or three on his own. Prado’s probably going to be hurt at some point as well.
Trust me, there’s nothing overly unusual about a utility guy getting 500 PA when Chipper’s on the team.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
You’re not counting the time Nate McLouth was on the DL after colliding with Heyward in 2010.
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Omar started every game from July 29 onward, and the majority of the games before then (Including a 20-game stretch April-May, and another 21 games combined over June/July). With that, he barely broke 500 PAs. Call me crazy, but I don’t consider that to be normal for a utility guy.
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I mentioned all that. Prado’s and Chipper’s injury covers the July 29 period on. What you have is one guy sitting a month and a half and another on a 15-game DL stint. That’s not inordinately unusual.
Find me a team that didn’t have a 2B, SS, 3B, or OF that got hurt for longer than a month and a half, and I’ll find you a team that was very lucky in terms of injuries. Utility players play quite a bit.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Well, you said mid august, and didn’t count the 40+ games before then, but that’s just pedantic at this point.
The main points of contention I have for Omar’s year are three-fold:
1) Omar was so super-utility that he wound up getting in the game no matter who got hurt or needed a day off. As long as it wasn’t McCann or a pitcher that was injured, Omar was going to get slotted in somewhere.
2) Between Nate, Diaz, Glaus, Chipper, Yunel, and Prado, we had a lot of injuries that were fairly well spread out (I include Chipper and Prado because after we signed Lee, Chipper’s absence wasn’t really much of an impact on whether or not Infante was playing). The relative lack of overlap was great for us, but it was also great for Omar in the sense that he got more playing time out of each injury.
3) Towards the end of the year Omar quit being a utility man. He was swinging so well that Bobby was slotting him in the lineup like he was a starter, regardless of whether we needed him to stand in for somebody who was hurt or not.
For those three reasons, I think, pointing at Omar’s ‘10 year and saying “yeah, 500 ABs for a utility guy sounds about right” is a stretch. Could Prado get there? Absolutely. He probably wouldn’t even need all 3 of the above to make it. But it’s not something we should count on.
And it’s still moot, because we’re arguing over a margin that we’ve already agreed, in the worst case, is still significant enough to warrant keeping Prado a starter unless a decently better LF magically falls into our laps.
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Problem is loading up LH hitters at the front of the lineup makes your opponent’s bullpen decisions easier…
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Freeman would ideally hit 6th. Personally I would love it if a guy like Pastornicky could make the big club as a starter at SS. It’s another RH bat that you can mix and match your lineups with. In 2013 you could then start your lineup off with Bourn-Pastornicky-Heyward-Uggla.
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So do we extend Bourn now
or wait and see how Myke does this year before trying to lock Bourn down?
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Given that 2012 is Bourn’s walk year AND he’s represented by Scott Boras…. I think we’re gonna have some trouble. Boras will want something around 5-7 years, I figure (Bourn will be 29 at the end of this calendar year). Would a match of Uggla’s contract (5/$62m) be too much to handle (for that’s my best guess of what it would take)?
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
I don't have a problem with that from a "that's what he's worth" standpoint
…but can we sit with two of those contracts nigh simultaneously without screwing ourselves over? I don’t know.
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With Chipper coming off the books in 2013 or 2014, along with maybe Huddy, that would free up $22MM beyond 2013
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would hope the sides can settle for about 5 yrs @ $40MM-$45MM. Perhaps FW could buy out Tommy Hanson’s Arb years and extend him as well…maybe 4-5 yrs (including 2012) @ $30MM or so with an option year at $10MM or something.
I don’t understand contracts 100%, but maybe we can get Boras to work with us on both players if we treat Hanson favorably in 2012. What do y’all think?
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a bad feeling about the Hanson situation since Boras forced the Braves into an automatic (and minimum) renewal for Tommy in 2011. Maybe that will change since TH failed to qualify as a Super-2, but I dunno.
"Forget Roy Halladay or Clayton Kershaw or Cliff Lee, the NL Cy Young Award should go to O’Ventrel." - David Schoenfield, ESPN.com, 8/19/11
I see...
Bourn at 6/$80-90MM, and Hanson being a standoff until he’s traded at some point.
I think him missing the Super 2 cutoff, in some ways, will lead to a festering of the relationship between the two, unless the Braves move to buy out this year and his arb years to boot.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
~$14MM per year? What precedent is there for that sum?
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More than 4 WAR/year for the past three, which was worth about $18-20MM/year.
As for deals, Johnny Damon and Aaron Rowand’s deals at the time they were made suggest he could get more than my estimate. Juan Pierre got 5/$44MM for much less production in 2007, and salaries have increased dramatically since then. Alex Rios signed 7/$70MM with only one season better than Bourn’s, and that was barely better.
Bourn’s got amazing consistency, excellent defense, and it comes at an elite position that you’re not going to find those numbers from.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Fair enough. I assume Boras will do what he did with Texeira and give us until the end of ST to offer an extension…
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a ridiculous contract for Bourn
He can get that from somewhere else, thanks.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He's an elite player with a difficult set of skills to replace...
Those players typically get paid whatever the market rate is. Trading him by the deadline in July might net us some OK prospects (unless we find a sucker like the Giants did last year with Beltran).
My worry is that when Bourn’s contract will mature, a lot of our younger guys (Heyward, Freeman) will be entering their FA years.
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by TBuzz on Oct 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Only way we should trade Bourn is if we are out of it(and I don’t see that), even if Bourn makes it known that we aren’t going to be able to afford him, then we try to win the WS with him. Lets hope that Bourn chooses a chance to win and still getting paid good over much more money and a crap team. I’m sure there will be teams like the Cubs dishing out the money, but I think it will be awhile until they will challenge for a championship. I think Braves management will pony up for 5 years: $11 mil per year, so total would be $55 million, with probably a vesting option for a 6th year if he can meet some requirements that the Braves would likely add in there. I’m not sure if the Braves front office would do that or not, but I don’t think it would be bad. He played a lot of years with the Astros, a winning atmosphere with the Braves may lead him to take a slight discount from us, over making a little more for a crap team.
I don’t care if Constanza hit .500 with 30 HRs and 150 RBI in 3 weeks, benching Heyward was a stupid decision.
by justincredubil02 on Oct 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT
Cracks me up
“…and then Jones turns to watch himself up on the jumbotron.”
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Outfielders
Nice analysis—though I consider the comparisions between Milligan and Cody Johnson to be reasonable. Milligan lowered his K rate, but he is also doing it at an older age. Still, as you point out the immediate issue is his capacity to get injured.
Otherwise, this list reminds me that I hope the Braves don’t pass on drafting superior outfielders—as they last June.
by Stephen in the UAE on Oct 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
Braves philosophy:
pitchers are our currency. We can always trade for something else.
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If Terdoslavich gets some time in LF, Matt Lipka turns his hitting around in Rome as a CF, and Myke Jones hits well enough to earn a promotion to Gwinnett…this list takes on a whole new complexion where I would view it as a strength.
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Hey guys I've been thinking....
This is a bit off topic but, why not bring up Stefan Gartrell as a back-up OF? He has great power and bats from the right side. I would prefer him over Costanza or Diaz to complement Hinske. I think he would be a good back-up to Prado. Any thoughts?
by CaliforniaBrave on Oct 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions
There's lots of guys that are AAA studs
They’re not in the majors for a reason. Maybe we can’t see it, but the scouts do.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice writeup
I agree that we have few impact bats, but the depth is pretty nice and seems to improve every year. 2012 will be a big year for Jones and Milligan. If they can stay healthy and continue to hit, then Jones could be a front runner to start CF in 2013 and Milligan could be an option for LF. I would switch Millligan and Lipka because Lipka was terrible this year, but I can understand why they are ranked they way they are. Thanks.
Love Milligan's bat
But the guy is 5 months older than me…he needs to get out of high A.
Freeman isn’t on Heyward’s level in terms of tools, skills, or baseball IQ–but it’s fair to say Freeman has failed to meet the modest expectations in place for him - Capitol Avenue Club (May 28th, 2011)
Lipka
Saw this on the Braves minorleague site, It was a Q&A from Baseball Prospectus.
Atlanta Braves Director of Baseball Admin John Coppolella on Lipka’s season.
" Lipka’s numbers may not show it, but he has had a fine first full-season. Lipka was a star high school football wide receiver who didn’t commit full-time to baseball until he signed with the Braves. We moved him to low-A at age 19 and he’s more than held his own in a league where he is one of the youngest players. He’s an extremely gifted athlete with speed and strength, but what separates him from so many others is his makeup and work ethic. This is a special kid who will continue to improve and is a big part of our future."

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