Will the Braves pick-up a starting pitcher this off-season?
by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 11:48 AM EDT
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I know our farm system is one if the best, if not the best in pitching. But we can't keep relying on rookies to finish the job even though they have saved our *** a lot. We need a starting pitcher that has proved to be consistent and reliable. C.J. Wilson will be a free agent this offseason. Hopefully the Rangers let him walk and maybe the Braves could pick him up. Picture this starting rotation....
Hudson
Wilson
Hanson
Jurrjens
Beachy
Then there is Roy Oswalt who a lot of people will think the Phillies will let him walk. He would be a huge pick-up aswell if the Braves can land there hands on him. The only thing that worries me about Oswalt is his back problems. He even considered retirement it got so bad. But maybe he wont have problems next season. With him in the rotation, it would look something like this.....
Hudson
Hanson
Jurrjens
Oswalt
Beachy
Not bad if you ask me. Our pitchers have gotten so injury prone, but they are young and will likely recover nicely from their injuries. But this is just my opinion. Do you think we should go after a starting pitcher? If so, who do you think we should pick-up?
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I know we need a big bat in the outfield, but this is just another suggestion.
by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
We don't need a pitcher
It’d be a waste of money.
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It sure wouldn’t hurt though.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
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And when we have limited funds and issues on offense, yes it would. We’re going to have one of the best pitching rotations in baseball next year, so spending what little money we have on a pitcher would be nothing short of idiotic.
We’ve got nine pitchers, at least, that could start for us if need be. We don’t need to add more.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No new pitchers
We need to work with what we have, which is good and cost effective right now. Besides I think FW is just not ready to go down that road, especially after the DLowe experiment. But hey, if money fell from the sky, It sure wouldn’t hurt. Roy Oswalt would not be anywhere near someone I’d acquire though.
by HottyToddyBraves on Oct 15, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
No money
We’re going to trade for whatever we pick up, whether it be a bat or a rumored stud starter. Free agency will not be where the Braves acquire anything this offseason, unless suddenly money begins growing out of the outfield grass in Turner.
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by ChopMaster on Jul 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT (joined Jul 19, 2010)
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Disagree
I know what gondeee said, but Wren has mentioned a payroll bump and Bowman has said we’ll have around $10MM to spend post arb raises. That’s more than enough to grab one of the OF bats in this year’s free agent market, if we decide to go that route.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
a bump as in 1-3 million is pretty insignificant
and with that 10 million we need to replace or resign linebrink, sherrill, hinske (i want to dump him and get dobbs)
and no one is talking about this but here is the HUGE ASS ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM
McCann is due a FAT extension. he’s a FA after 2013 and whoever thinks he will take a home town discount, he might but to the tune of 16-17 million a year
Linebrink and Sherrill can and should be replaced internally
That’s two league minimum spots. Hinske would make $1.5MM, a fairly small amount. Lowe will be off the books next year, we can pay Mac from that.
The payroll situation isn’t as dire as you make it sound.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
do you know of a lefty specialist to take over for sherrill currently in the minors?
because i don’t
and yeah lowe will be gone in another 12 months but we have to go through arbitration AGAIN next year. at that point they will be getting even bigger raises. and at that point the braves are going to have to decide if they want to extend hanson, heyward, EOF, freeman or any other brave. it also helps if we could sign a free agent at some point for the first time since derek lowe. (dear God has it really been that long?)
and dear god what if chipper decides he wants to play ANOTHER year? we efffffed
We don't need a third lefty
Especially since Medlen is death on lefties because of his change-up.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 17, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
we need a third lefty
we got the swingman in EOF we got the setup man in Venters. we need a third guy who can just come in for a batter or two in the 5th or sixth inning so we don’t over extend o’ventrible. plus at one point one of them is going to go down for at least a little bit (EOF’s back) then we would only have 1 lefty.
You'll find yourself in the minority with that opinion, then.
Two is more than enough, especially considering EOF should be the match-up guy.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
See Medlen
he fits that role well, and has reverse splits that show he’s very, very good at getting lefties out. So no, we don’t need another lefty. We may need a solid power righty to add, but with all the kids in the system, we may be good to go. I’m not sure Wren is willing to go without that “veteran” in the pen, but we’ve got the arms to fill every slot needed and then some.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We can fill the bullpen internally
Kimbrel, Venters, O’Flaherty, Medlen, and Martinez are guaranteed spots. Lowe is currently ticketed for the bullpen. So we’ve got one spot to fill between a likely non-tendered Moylan, Gearrin, Varvaro, Hoover, Chapman, possibly Vizcaino, and whoever else we like that ends up on waivers since Wren uses the waiver wire fairly often and is good at it. There’s zero reason to spend money on this bullpen.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed zero reason to spend money on BullPen
And as you lay it out, it is very clear that we can afford to let Vizcaino have a shot as a starter in AAA.
I wonder though, if we move Lowe to the Bull Pen, do we keep Martinez? Especially with Medlen around who would also fit the long reliever role.
Let Martinez continue as long reliever
Lowe is the groundball specialist if he’s around. Medlen should share duties with Venters and EOF.
Although I wouldn’t be opposed to an incentives based deal for Broxton.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Add Marek and a handful of others....
like Cordier, maybe Hale or some of the other high upside arms that may explode on to the scene come spring.
I’d remove Moylan, with his injury, I could see him being signed midway through the year, but he’ll certainly be non-tendered.
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Marek's TJ
He just had TJ this summer. I’d be surprised to see him back to the majors before midseason.
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by biggentleben on Oct 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He had it fairly early in the season
The end of his rehab is set to coincide with the beginning of Spring Training. He’ll be in camp.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 19, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming there aren't any setbacks, that is.
Most people use statistics the way a drunk would use a lamppost—for support, and not for illumination.
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He had it in early May
He could make spring training healthy, but I wouldn’t expect his feel for pitching to be back well enough to be doing anything in the majors before midseason.
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by biggentleben on Oct 19, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Moylan was on the same timeframe
His rehab running into Spring Training helped expediate his return.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 19, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But Moylan had pitched in the majors, while Marek was possibly knocking on the door, but he hadn’t gotten there yet, so he’ll have some work to regain MLB-caliber stuff, whereas Moylan had been there, done that, so once the arm was healthy, he was at a MLB level of pitching.
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by biggentleben on Oct 20, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Mac!
But is he the kind of bat you pay that type of money? He has been called ( and I agree) one of the elite offensive catchers in todays game. But 16-17 mil is alot for around 140 games, Less than 25 hr’s and less than 100 rbi’s. And although RBI’s is not a stat to fall back on, making a guy the highest paid player on your team that won’t reach these numbers is a little scary. I think that may be part of the hype behind Bethancourt, seems like they are setting the table if you ask me. WIth Freeman doing what he’s doing offensively and defensively, I can’t see them bumping him form first for Mac. To me it’s just hard to pay a catcher that kind of money. Joe Mauer is the only catcher curently making more than 13.5 mil a season and that didn’t work out for Minn to well this year. He can also DH on his days off, as McCann can’t. SO do you see Mac getting that kind of money from the Braves?
heres the thing man
he isn’t really but he might be to the red sox phillies or yankees
catcher is a bit of a different breed. they don’t usually have great numbers but that’s the point. that’s why i think its so stupid when i hear people want to move mac to 1st base. there is something to say for a name, and there is a lot to say for consistency. knowing you have a CATCHER who can hit 25 homers and 80 RBI’s is invaluable. catcher is mostly a dead position. i mean look at some of the other teams catchers. most of them hit sub .250 and might have 10-15 homers. that is why brian would get a monster contract.
and it doesn’t help that he has joe mauers contract for comparison. and that guy does’t hit homers
I think I mis-wrote what I was trying to say haha.
I guess I was saying if it was a “what-if” type thing. I definitely agree that we get a better outfield bat this offseason. But if we were given the opportunity to pick a SP, then I’m all for it. But yeah, a outfield bat would be more beneficial. Carlos Quentin anybody?
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Young pitching needs good defense. Quentin qualifies as one of the worst defenders in MLB and a major injury risk. Not worth what the ChiSox will ask to acquire him.
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by biggentleben on Oct 15, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats up with everybody with Quentin the guy is not that great of a ballplayer, i don’t want another huge injury risk guy who swings for the fences..
Injury risk is a fair assessment
But he’s a guy with a career .362 wOBA and .238 Iso that we’ve been linked to in the past. Just looking at the offense he brings, it’d be roughly the equivalent of adding another DanUggla to the lineup.
Unfortunately, it’d be the same as adding another Uggla on defense, too.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Uggla
Has had a great defensive year. Especially considering his past and the critcism he is given of it. He was prob. one of our best defenders that was consistent.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No he didn't
He looked alright because he’s always busting his ass, but the balls he made nice plays on are routine for most other 2B. He was just as poor of a defender as he’s ever been, and the metrics back it up.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 16, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah well those metrics say the same about freeman
he’s above average
certainly not poor
Defensive metrics are notoriously wild in one-year samples
And UZR isn’t that great for evaluating 1B. DRS puts him at roughly average, which I find very believable. Freeman doesn’t have great range but us tremendous around the bag.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 17, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
…and $10M will not buy you either of a big bat or a stud starter. None of the FA bats in this market are worth even considering over what we have in house. Now the non-tenders when arby comes could be very interesting, but the FA crop is not worth any attention.
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by biggentleben on Oct 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the bats are worth considering?
Willingham: .364 wOBA
Prado: .337 wOBA
Yeah, that’s not worth considering at all. And its not like Willingham is a total statue in LF either, ranking just below average in UZR and right at average in DRS for his career.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s also on the wrong side of his prime with likely significant dollars as one of the few options available. I wouldn’t spend $5M on him, and I’d wager he gets close to 8-9 on the market in a single year deal and maybe 7-8 in a multi-year deal. Willingham isn’t a statue on defense, but he’s fairly poor at it. Definitely not worth $10M, and not worth the contract he’ll get.
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by biggentleben on Oct 15, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll disagree entirely then
He’s a well above-average hitter that will receive a short 2-3 year deal that is more than worth the 7-9 million he’d get on the market.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Why wouldn’t he be worth $8M per year for 2 or 3 years? At current market value he’d only have to put up 2 WAR per season to be to be worth that, and he’s topped 2 WAR every season of his career.
It's not the cost of his contract
He would put us completely at our maximum salary with no wiggle room come midseason to add in any salary. Look what the Rangers have done each of the last two seasons with a good club with financial wiggle room for the deadline. They brought in Cliff Lee last season, and they completely remade their bullpen this year. Moves like that have you playing in a championship series, but if you don’t have the financial space to take on that player, you can’t make that deal.
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by biggentleben on Oct 15, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And without any offense
Our asses don’t have to worry about the postseason.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 15, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would wager
That our offense, without any additions would be better in 2012. We basically had the perfect storm of poor offense from every position, playing well below their expected level.
*Michael Bourn’s time with Atlanta would have been his worst OBP in a 500 AB season if he did it over a full season
*Martin Prado’s OBP was his lowest by over 20 points from his worst, even in SSS
*Brian McCann’s second half .203/.301/.384 line killed the team needing a “stopper” in the lineup, which McCann was the entire first half
*Freddie Freeman had a great May/June/July, but really tailed off at the end of the season
*Dan Uggla hit a career high in homers, but a career low (by 0.015 points!) in OBP
*Chipper carried the offense late in the season, but posted a career worst OBP
*Jason Heyward lost almost 80 points off of his OBP
*Even Alex Gonzalez had his worst OBP as a full-season starter in his entire career
This is not just a singular occurrence. We had one of the worst hitting coaches in baseball in 2011 and still nearly made the playoffs. The offense is virtually guaranteed to be better with no additions.
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by biggentleben on Oct 16, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And we have a chance to make it even better
But you’re against that in favor of making a move that we may not need at the deadline.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay
but where in that list does anyone else fit, other than bench depth?!
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by biggentleben on Oct 17, 2011 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Which list are you talking about?
I’ll be more than happy to answer you if you could please clarify.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 17, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The list = the above lineup indicating that at all positions (all but Sea Bass under control for next season) underachieved according to career history and should be drastically better without adding in anyone.
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by biggentleben on Oct 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I understand now.
In that lineup, there’s clearly a fit in LF. Martin Prado’s value is tied up in hitting for average, something that’s acceptable from a middle infielder but not from a corner outfielder. When you combine that with his ability to field at least four positions at an acceptable level, it makes perfect sense to upgrade in LF while using Prado as a super utility player.
Putting a player with the bat of a potential starter and the defensive flexibility to play multiple positions in a super utility role isn’t some radical idea. Mark DeRosa has made a career off of it, as has Chone Figgins. Those guys have played where the team has needed them, when they were needed. We’d be wise to do the same with Prado.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay
Then we’ll disagree with this.
Martin was a tick above average defensively in LF and he’s a .345-.350 OBP guy who is a perfect 2-hole hitter or 7-hole guy. He’s going to be 28 through the season, and before his injury, Prado had a long stretch performing at his 2009-2010 levels. I still think he’s a .300/.350/.460 hitter for 2012, and with the solid defense he played, I can’t imagine why we’d intentionally move him off the position.
I’d like to see the cash available spent on a better bench that can cover more when someone goes down and Prado has to be moved for a week or two. No way should Conrad ever see the field, and when you carry a defensive-first shortstop, carrying 1-2 defensive replacement infielders on the bench is useless as well. It’d be great to have a guy like an Infante on the bench again.
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by biggentleben on Oct 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
We've already got a guy that can fill the super utility role
You just don’t want to put him there. We can upgrade the bench by getting an actual LF.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
DeRosa is a good utility guy...
…because he really wasn’t good enough to start most of the time. When Figgins was good he started. Bascially, making someone a “super utility” guy is saying that they should be on the bench two or three days a week. Prado is too good to leave on the bench 2-3 days a week. Will he cover multiple positions? Sure, he has always done that. But he shouldn’t be sitting.
I just don’t see Willingham as a particularly large upgrade. I am not sure where the “slightly below average” defense came from because he pretty much is a statute. A negative 4.8 UZR/150 is not slightly below average, it is pretty bad. Not Adam Dunn or Carlos Quentin bad, but not just slightly below average either. And statute is an apt description because Willingham’s arm and error rates are fine, it is his range that is bad.
Willingham is a streaky hitter, but a pretty good one. That being said, as a total package of offense and defense, I don’t see him as much better than Prado, if at all. So why bust the budget for a minimal upgrade? We can get a solid fourth OF for much less and just plug that guy in when Prado has to do his super utility duties on the infield.
Finally, I want to address the ridiculous fallacy about Prado shouldn’t be the starting leftfielder because while middle infielders can have their value tied to batting average, corner outfielders should not. We have Uggla at second and Prado in left. Uggla has good leftfielder hitting numbers (well other than the first half) and Prado has good second baseman hitting numbers (other than after his injury last year). What does it matter that we play them at the reverse positions? Also, last time I checked, Ichiro made a pretty good career out of batting average at a corner OF position, so it is hardly unheard of. I think the fallacy is to think that certain stats should come from certain positions rather than looking at the offense as a whole (and yes, I know at times last year, you could just look at the total Braves offense as a hole). When you are at the plate it is the hitters in the lineup that matter, not what positions they happen to play when they are in the field.
are you high?
we don’t have any money to spend at all anyways
the player salaries are going up by 20 million next year due to arbitration and contract pay grades
i don’t even think the departure of mclouth kk and a few others are going to cover that
they might have to trade a pitcher just to keep up (hanson, hudson, jurrjens?)
for everyone i have heard saying that huddy's option for 2013 is a lock
this is exactly why he won’t be back
IF we trade a pitcher.
It will definitely be Jurrjens. I wouldn’t it being him anyways. He always seems to be dominant throught the first half of the season then just falls of the face of the Earth. He cannot stay consistent. Hanson and Huddy always are consistent. Hanson just had a bad injury.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn’t mind it*
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're hoping to ensure there's always at least one starter on DL
You sign Bedard…otherwise, no.
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by biggentleben on Oct 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bedard wouldn't be that bad
Especially if we trade Jurjens or Hanson, he would provide rotation depth
He's a 5-inning pitcher when healthy now
…and he’s not pitched a full season since he was in Baltimore.
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by biggentleben on Oct 17, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The Phillies are in financial uncertainty in 2012
Why not take this dream to the max and just trade for Halladay?
But yea, spend on SS/LF and a ’pen arm or two. The rotation is fine.
Huddy, Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Teheran/ Delgado, Vizzy, Medlen, and yes, Lowe, all are available to start, and that’s assuming a JJ trade, which isn’t a done deal.
YES
I am kind of hoping they will trade JJ for a big bat. I like the kid and all, but he is just so inconsistent. We would benefit it so much more. But watch JJ win the cy young when we trade him.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 15, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Phils are going to go all-in for 2012 as well, no way they trade. They’ll prob go into luxury tax territory.
They know once they sell, they’re done for years.
Oh yeah, They traded their #1 prospect and others to get Hunter Pence. I thought that was stupid. I honestly think Pence will not have a good year next season. Atleast against the Braves he wont. I do like our pitching and we have plenty of it. I was just throwing the idea of a starter out their. But we will own the Phillies soon to be. They have a aging team and we have very young team that will dominate for years to come.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They traded their #1 prospect and others to get Hunter Pence.
no, they didn’t. they traded, at best, their #4 prospect (and others) for Pence. Domonic Brown is still a Phillie.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 17, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Domonic Brown is no longer a prospect, by the accepted definition of the term. Ineligible for ROY, etc. But he was last season’s best prospect.
The Phillies biggest problem isn’t that they have no prospects, but no ML-ready ones. They’re going to have to continue to fill spots by signing FAs, which can cost them picks to further deplete the system. They can re-sign their players to prevent this, but their players are also quite old. It’s a vicious cycle of overpaying for declining players and losing draft picks.
That said, they’ll be fine for at least another year or two before the wheels potentially fall off.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Yeah
But watch our for the Nationals.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 18, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
out*^
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 18, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This might be the first thing you have posted in this thread...
…that I agree with. The Nats could get very dangerous very soon.
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by biggentleben on Oct 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Will the Braves pick up a SP this off season?
No, they won’t.
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i just read on mlbtr that cj wilson wants 100m, and the rangers arent going to give him that, and we dont have that kind of dough laying around
wilson
wanting 100 million is just insane. the guy was a -0.1 WAR last year and a 0.1 WAR this year. that is worth 100 million? i’m definitely in the wrong line of work.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 16, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What WAR are you using?
Over the past two years he’s been worth a combined 10.5 fWAR or 9.4 rWAR. You’re numbers are horribly off.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 16, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
Your*
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 16, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
LMFAO
I think he is thinking Jack Wilson. LMFAO!!!! Jack Wilson in 2010 was a -0.1 WAR player and this year with Mariners and Braves shows he is a 0.0 WAR player. God, I can’t even believe he thought Jack Wilson wanted that much, he gotta be a newbie to think this…
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We got 99 problems, but a pitch(er) ain’t one.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Oct 16, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We’ve got one pitcher that is 99% of our problem. D. Lowe. :^)
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hilarious
All while Fredi is surrounded by a bunch of orangutans, trying to teach them how to bunt the rocks and coconuts that angry 300 lb gorillas are throwing at them,
by royhobbs on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM PDT
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by Santaklose11 on Oct 17, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like C.J. Wilson on the Braves...
but at the price he wants it’s a terrible deal for the team that he signs with. He will be 32 next season and wants 100+ million dollars, and this is only his second season as a starter.
Really we don’t have the money to sign either pitcher mentioned.
As for Oswalt, pure nightmare. Call it Derek Lowe deal part 2.
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Yeah, I would definitely would like a power hitting outfielder (Willingham) but even if we don’t pick up a major offensive help, I would be content with just getting a few relievers and a bench bat. I think our offense will have a dramatic change next season. Everybody didn’t live up to their standards except for Freeman and I think he can do better.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 16, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
power hitting outfielder (Willingham)
it’s funny that he’s considered a power hitting OF.
i doubt we’ll be players on the FA market. I’d imagine we make a deal. Quentin for a prospect and money exchange. But visions of him roaming LF for us scares the bejeezus out of me.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 17, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
How is that funny?
He had a .232 Iso this year, which is ahead of Carlos Gonzalez, Holliday, Hart, Bruce, Swisher, and Pence, and is just behind Josh Hamilton.
Willingham is a power-hitting outfielder.
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by Jake Humphrey on Oct 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you are on a roll.
I disagreed with you at the top, but now you are swinging for the fences. I am not sure what Willingham is if not a power-hitting outfielder. Probably should be a power hitting DH, but, alas, outfielder he is. Certainly a power hitter. And for his defensive woes, he is better than Quentin; certainly defensively and probably offensively. I just don’t think we need either. Power was our problem in 2010, not in 2011.
Thinking backwards..
Beachy is up and earned a spot to stay
Minor is no longer a rookie and is ready to pitch (and is left handed)
Teheran deserves a complete rookie season, should be as sure as FF
Delgado only has 4 starts in AAA – he is perfect as our 6th pitcher right now
Vizcaino is worth way too much as a potential ace to leave in a one inning relief role with three guys ahead of him so he should be starting in AAA as our 6th/7th pitcher
Medlen is half odd man out half recovering and fully in the bullpen
After the ground up approach that leaves:
Hudson – not going anywhere
Hanson
Lowe
JJ
Lowe will be in the pen or on another squad, it’s been made clear. Either Hanson or JJ would have to be traded for Beachy, Teheran and Minor to fit into the lineup. That could also mean Teheran, Beachy or Minor could be traded over Hanson or JJ. There are reasons to argue for either one.
Someone is gonna get injured, Delgado is going to get called up. Meanwhile Vizcaino is going to put together a season to rival Teheran’s in AAA as a starter. Those two will be concerns for the starting roster in 2013 unless we trade a major pitcher midseason. We won’t end up with both JJ and Hanson gone though, so that would mean a midseason trade of one of our younger guys, which I see as distinctly possible considering how ready Delgado will be.
In a starter or reliever?
"Whoever said nothing was impossible, obviously has not tried slamming a revolving door."
by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
With Lowe out of the starting rotation, I don’t know if we should give the starting job to Minor, Delgado, or Teheran. Delgado pitched great, Minor has showed major improvement and showed signs of consistency, Teheran earned a shot to be in the rotation. Going to be tough.
"Whoever said nothing was impossible, obviously has not tried slamming a revolving door."
by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 23, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
The Braves need another pitcher like Fredi needs another doughnut.
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by ChopMaster on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Oct 25, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
The only starter I’d have any interest in is James Shields, due to his innings-eating.
With so many young pitchers- that puts a huge strain on the pen. JJ can eat innings when he’s healthy, but he isn’t healthy enough, and Hudson when he’s doing well is pretty good at it, but we’re going to have at a minimum 3 starters who are lucky to go 6. That’s what hurt the pen this year, and probably had a big role in costing us a playoff spot.
I really like Beachy, I like Minor, I like Hanson, but they gotta go deeper.
Yeah, I have no idea why I didn't mention James Shields.
He is one of my favorite pitchers and he is a major innings eater.
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by A_Patrick_Tactic on Oct 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
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