Top-5 Off-Season Questions For The Atlanta Braves: #4
This is part four of a five part series of posts that will examine the most pressing questions for the Atlanta Braves this off-season.
Question Four: Can the Braves add the right relievers to their bullpen?
As the Braves sought to add more pieces to their team last off-season they acquired veteran reliever Scott Linebrink and signed veteran reliever George Sherrill. The idea was to add some veteran presence, and possibly veteran reliability, to a bullpen that would have at its heart, two 20-something year old relievers. Craig Kimbrel and Jonny Venters, it was presumed, needed some guidance.
Too bad that veteran reliability didn't really work out on the mound.
While the kids were used over and over and over again, day after day, the veteran relievers were not really relied upon in important situations. Two of the veterans -- Linebrink and Scott Proctor -- had the second and third lowest WPAs (Win Probability Against) on the team. The negative effects of their appearances far outweighed the positives. Linebrink should have been released like Proctor was, but the Braves kept him and kept plugging him into games. Of the last 11 games Linebrink appeared in, the Braves won only one of those games. He essentially became a glorified mop-up man, or reliever of last resort.
In the days leading up to the 18 inning affair with Pittsburgh in late July, Scott Proctor had an ERA of 18.00 in his previous four appearances, three times appearing in and contributing to blowout losses. That 18 inning game in which Proctor somehow threw three scoreless innings (that might actually be the most improbable thing that happened all season) allowed Proctor to stay on the roster for another two weeks before the Braves finally came to their senses.
Sherrill was used like a pure LOOGY last year, but he actually held right-handers to a lower batting average. He was, though, pretty adept at striking lefties out. His season ended because of injury in August, so he never got to "contribute" in September.
The Braves spent over $7 million on those three veteran relievers, while spending less than $2 million on O'Ventbrel. With money always at a premium in Atlanta the club will need to spend it a little more wisely on relievers next year.
There will likely be a need to add a bullpen arm or two to the current mix. The starting core will be extremely strong for the Braves: Kimbrel, Venters, O'Flaherty, Cristhian Martinez, and probably Anthony Varvaro. After them I believe the team will benefit most by putting Kris Medlen into a key Venters-like setup role. Meds could go back to starting, but there's plenty of arms for the rotation, and a bulldog like Medlen could take a lot of pressure off O'Ventbrel by adding his name to the late innings mix: O'Ventlenbrel.
Arodys Vizcaino showed some promise as a reliever, and again, with several other young starters already waiting for a spot to open in the rotation, keeping Vizzy in the pen should be a pretty easy decision for Atlanta. That group gets us to seven relievers, but leaves little depth in the minor leagues.
The workload that O'Ventbrel took on last year will need to be spread around in 2012, and more relievers will need to be relied upon to be setup men in close games. The team just can't keep going to Jonny Venters every single night. Medlen will help with some of that, but Atlanta should be looking for another key setup man this winter.
The team will have the extra money to spend, and they won't be spending much on the pen to begin with -- only Eric O'Flaherty will be making over a million dollars. But just because there's money available doesn't mean the team has to go out and get a pricey reliever. The money is there if the player is right, but that money shouldn't be committed to another Linebrink or Proctor or Sherrill.
Above all else, the use of the team's top relievers should not be so burdensome early in the season that they have nothing left in September. The Braves should construct their bullpen so that this won't occur, and Fredi Gonzalez should recognize that he must find additional reliable pitchers to protect leads late in the game. This process starts now, by identifying possible relief acquisitions who can share the important role of getting the Braves to Craig Kimbrel in the ninth inning.
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Its stupid to put Viz in the bullpen IMO
he needs to develop a third pitch in AAA, why hamper his development ala Joba chamberlain
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by JasonHeywardisGod on Oct 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
You could also be helping it...
…ala Johan Santana.
But with plenty of other arms as options...
primarily Medlen joining Kimbrel, Venters, and O’Flaherty, why waste Vizcaino in a seldom used bullpen role. Let him stretch out in AAA, and if we need a dynamite reliever come August, just bring him on up.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 12, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
There isn’t a spot in the rotation, and our bullpen is good enough without him considering his potential value as a starter. I like the idea of keeping him down to develop to control his service time. It’s a few years out, but I would rather not have JT, Delgado, and Viz hitting free agency (barring contract extensions) in the same year.
by ducheneaux13 on Oct 12, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Vizcaino has the ceiling of a #1 or #2 starter so why waste that potential by putting him in the bullpen? I would rather they trade him for a young left fielder than do that. Arodys needs to at least be given a chance to remain as a starter.
by FourScore199 on Oct 13, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If we add Medlen to the big 3
We need to come up with a more suitable nickname. The portmanteau approach gets kind of silly once you’re past three names. (And I feel bad for EOF, who only gets one letter.)
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Portmanteau
Well-played.
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This is the second question in a row that has no answer.
And the post acknowledges it. We have seven good internal options for the bullpen, without including Moylan. Why get bullpen filler just to have bullpen filler? We have plenty of set-up options in our internal group—after what I saw last year, Martinez and EOF can help Venters out with eighth inning duties, and Medlen certainly should be able to do so. I don’t see the issue with minor league depth here either with Hoover, Marek, and Gearrin sitting in AAA.
Yes, we’ll have a little money to spend this year (not too much, however, given arb raises), but I’d rather us save it up for next year. We don’t have any obvious needs at all outside of signing a shortstop, who will probably be cheap.
Because you have to have a
“veteran presence”, duh!
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by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 12, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not on the verge of retiring
so he doesn’t fit our model of “veteran leadership.”
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I wonder what...
Gene Garber is doing these days…
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I hear FW's going to offer 1 year, $1.5M
to Don Sutton.
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Derek Lowe
He slots into the veteran mop-up man that Linebrink filled. Does some long relief. Maybe he recovers his early career glory as a closer-type pitcher. More likely he’s DFAed in September to make way for Hoover, but he’s the veteran RHP.
Because there isn’t a stupid enough GM in baseball to take him off our hands.
Next year pen
I can’t justify signing Moylan in arbitration. Like Medlen in pen but loved him as a starter. Think pen will be Hoover, Varano, EOF, Venters, Kimbrel. Moylan or another GB pitcher and Lowe as long man out of pen(not going to happen)
by Delaware Boiler on Oct 12, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Looking at batting average against for pitchers is a really dumb way to evaluate pitchers. People need to remember that batting average is such a bad stat because it utterly ignores walks. Sherrill walked 10 more RHB than LHB so BAA is extremely misleading. He was very good as a LOOGY, but the Braves shouldn’t need a specialist like that with EOF and Venters if they can actually plan bullpen usage rather than stick to archaic bullpen roles for each inning.
Kimbrel…closer
Venters…set up/8th inning
O’Flaherty…set up
Medlen…set up, long relief
Varvaro
Martinez
If Lowe doesn’t get traded, gotta figure he’ll be out there too. I’m OK with multiple guys able to go 2-3 innings considering we have several starters that struggle to go more than 5 innings.
Vizcaino might start in AAA as a starter and come back up as a reliever when his innings load requires a change.
Hoover, Gearrin, Ascencio and eventually Marek will be available if needed.
We could probably use another lefty, though Medlen is tough vs lefty batters. Would they consider re-signing Sherrill? I kind of doubt it, but it could certainly happen.
I figure Moylan is 50-50 at best. Gearrin brings the same thing, less Moylan’s presence. This being Moylan’s 3rd arb year is a strike against him, maybe Wren tries to cut a cheaper deal with him. That will be interesting to see how it works out. I think they like PeMo, but maybe not for $2+M.
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Correction on that $7MM figure...
That’s what they all earned. The Braves only picked up $2MM on Linebrink, $1.25MM on Sherrill, and the veteran minimum on Proctor (I believe).
I think Proctor was 1 year at $750k.
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by king of games on Oct 12, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to snag clippard or storen from the Nats.
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by HeywardFTW! on Oct 12, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also let’s not forget about Marek he was nasty in 2010 Gwinnett. Hope he can go back to form after surgery.
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by HeywardFTW! on Oct 12, 2011 12:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m guessing putting Vizzy in the the bullpen would crush his trade value. Are you suggesting that he take a permanent role in the pen?
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I agree
Vizcaino is still considered an elite pitching prospect. He has a ton of value as a starter. Maybe he ends up being a reliever down the road, but plenty of teams would still like him as a starter. Keep him stretched out as a starter in the minors. Never know, he could be a key piece to a trade in July. You want his value as high as possible.
Honestly,
I don’t see the bullpen as any sort of question going into 2012. Most teams would be happy going into the season with O’Ventbrel and spare parts and we’re already above that.
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Just my opinion, but I don't see the Braves adding a reliever
I also think they send Vizcaino back to the minors as a starter. You can always bring him up as a reliever if the bullpen needs help, but I think the longer you can keep him as a starter the more value he brings to the organization.
I see the ’pen as:
Kimbrel
Venters*
EOF*
Medlen (his success vs lefties will keep Braves from having to pick up a LHP)
Martinez (long man again)
And 2 of Varvaro, Gearrin, Hoover or Chapman
Between Kimbrel, Venters, EOF and Medlen, the Braves have the 7-9th innings locked up. No reason to waste money on the 6th when you’ve got quality young arms making league minimum that are more than capable of doing the job.
I concur most vigorously.
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by king of games on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Linebrink pitched the most important PAs of the Braves’ entire season. He was still on the roster because of a stubborn GM, and he was put into the game over much better options because of a moronic manager.
A RHB ended the Braves season while Cory Gearrin sat at home for reasons only Frank Wren knows. Gearrin absolutely should be on the staff in 2012 as a ROOGY. His K and GB rates against RHB were great. He just needs to be used properly.
If Sherrill can be had at the same price, he should definitely come back. He murdered LHBs and had one of the best LOOGY statistical seasons in a long time.
In my opinion, the only bullpen issues are Wren and Gonzalez.
Agree about Gearrin. He is very useful if he is ONLY allowed to pitch to RH hitters. He would have been better than Linebrink during the stretch run this year. Linebrink was useless against all hitters.
by FourScore199 on Oct 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I could see Gearrin growing to be less of a ROOGY
much in the same way that Moylo could be used against both sides. He just has to find his “Dave.”
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I want Sherrill back at the right price
He was excellent when used in the right situations.
Medlen is the big “Free Agent or Trade” acquisition. His change up gives him LOOGY ability, and he is more than capable of retiring any right handed batter. MO’Ventbrel gives us four of the seven, and I think its safe to assume C-Mart is going to be in the mix somewhere. He’s a proven long man, but he also showed signs last year that he has the ability to pitch in big situations and get needed outs. If we can’t trade Lowe, I think Lowe should be the long reliever and Martinez should be used more often.
I have no worries about the amount of talent we will have in our pen, but I do think over use could be an issue again this year. We shouldn’t need to go out and grab a big name guy though to fill it out. I’d like a veteran, but only if he is quality. I don’t want to live in fear that a game will be ProctorBombed or LineBroke ever again.
1. Kimbrel
2. Venters
3. EOF
4. Medlen
5. C-Mart
6. Varvaro
7. Lowe/GB Specialist/Veteran/Moylan (don’t tell me I can’t hope!)
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by thenightstallion on Oct 12, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
I believe we’d see Hoover in our pen before Vizcaino. I think they will give him another opportunity to start next year and see if he can hold up throughout a full season.
Am I the only guy who actually *wants* Vizzy to be a starter?
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I figure the injuries to Viz have slowed his progress. In a way, that is working in our favor. He can spend months in the Minors building up his innings load, then spot into the pen late season to help the big club. Having Viz a year or two behind Teheran and Delgado is a very good thing financially. Sickles projects Viz as a #2 starter. Putting that in the pen permanently is just nuts.
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