Is Joe Mather the Answer?
When Frank Wren and the Atlanta Braves brass went into this off season, it was clear that they were looking for a right handed bat that could play multiple positions, preferably both in the infield and outfield. Early on the Braves acquired Joe Mather, a right handed batter who has a career .233 avg with descent power of 193 major league at bats. While playing mostly in the outfield, though he can play both corner infield positions as well. A 3rd round pick by the Cardinals in the 2001 draft, Mather has average to above average power, evidence by the 31 home runs he hit while playing in AA and AAA in 2007. He has a career .255 minor league average, so there is not much upside there. Despite his inability to hit for average, his ability to play multiple positions must be the reason the Braves have been high on him over the last few seasons. With all that being said, is he the right answer for the Braves? Scott Hairston is available, and has the ability to play all the outfield positions, hit for power, and has descent speed. He is never been a full time player, and would probably sign a deal for 1.5 million plus incentives. He could possibly be a good fit for the Braves. I've heard the Braves dabbled in the Andrew Jones world earlier in the off season and considered a reunion. He obviously has power, but his speed is gone. He is still better than 80% of outfielders defensive wise, though he has lost a step or two. His average is a big negative and he strikes out way too much, so his reunion with Atlanta is very unlikely.
Lastings Milledge, to me, is a very intriguing option. Once a top prospect in the Mets organization, Milledge has played the last season and a half with the Pirates. Still young,(he is only 25,) he has yet to live up to the high expectations he was once burdened with, though he has played admirably since coming to the big show as a 21 year old with the Mets in 06'. Though he mostly played left field with the Pirates last season, he is fully capable of playing any of the three outfield positions. The only real negative with Milledge, has been his attitude, though, since leaving N.Y, he has been a "model" citizen, not getting in to trouble. If he is willing to play for a 'CLASSY" organization like the Braves, I believe he would be a very valuable asset. He is first year arbitration eligible, and could be signed for a good deal. I would be willing to give him a one year, $1.25million deal with incentives to make up to $3million. I would even give him a club option for 2012. As I said, he is only 25 and if he plays up to his abilities, he could be the starting CF for the Braves this season. Gary Matthews Jr. is still a very good defensive outfielder, though his offensive ability has severely decreased over the last few seasons. If Atlanta is looking only for a late inning defensive replacement, Matthews would be a fine fit. If he would be willing to sign a minor league contract, and earned his spot during spring training, or called up during the season, would that really be that bad? His ability to switch hit isn't a bad thing either. Everyone know Manny Ramirez is still out there, and that he would attract tons of fans, but I can play better defense, and at this stage of his career, he is pretty much a DH only. Randy Winn has yet to sign a contract, and after signing for $1.1million last season, he can still play the game. His numbers have tailed off the last two seasons, but would be a fine veteran addition to any team. Winn has always played the game hard, and he left S.F. one season to early, so I know he would love to have a chance to win a World Series before he hangs up his cleats. Atlanta would give him a legitimate shot at that dream. That pretty much wraps up all available right handed/switch hitting free agents left on the market. The Braves could always make a trade for an outfielder, but that story is for another day.
Now, if the Braves are interested in finding another Omar Infante type, and let's face it, who wouldn't, there might be one or two utility players, mainly infielders, still available. Willy Aybar, who briefly played for the Braves in 2006 due to personal issues, has played very well the last three seasons for the Rays. He is currently unsigned, and could be signed for a reasonably rate. He plays multiple positions, and is a switch hitter, and would not be a bad option for the Braves. The only question is, how bad did he strain his relationship in 06'? Bobby Crosby can play any position, and play them very well defensively. The main issue with him is his bat. He was tagged as a future offensive force coming out of college, and lived up to his billing in the minors. Since reaching the big leagues, however, he has had injury issues and by the look of his anemic .236 career average, the big league pitching has been a little more than he can handle. Defensively, I say yes, overall though, I say pass!!
With Alex Gonzalez in his first full season in Atlanta, there is no way to know how he will perform. He has never been a high average guy, but he has always hit for descent power and played above average defense. There is a player available that plays solid "D", but has always been more of an average guy than a power guy. That guy is Cristian Guzman. Guzman had three consecutive solid seasons with Washington before a trade to Texas late last season. After the trade, Guzman only played in 15 games due to both injury and, quite honestly, lack of need. The good thing about this is the fact that Guzman's, a very good major league shortstop, value has diminished. When healthy, Guzman is an everyday player, who plays solid defense, but, other than hitting for a good average, does not provide much else. He could probably be signed rather cheap, but if he is not playing every day, there is no guarantee he would be the effective player he is as a starter. My opinion, not sure, probably pass.
Jerry Hairston, brother of before mentioned Scott Hairston, is quite possibly, a perfect fit for the Braves. He plays both in the infield and outfield. He is a solid defensive player and hits for both a descent average and descent power. He is a veteran player and from all accounts, is a positive influence in the club house, which is always a good thing. At 34, he's not a spring chicken, but he is a SOLID player. Another good aspect of possible signability is the fact that he has never earned more than $2.3million in a season. If the Braves offer him a one year deal worth around $1.5million, I believe he would sign, and his ability to play almost any position means a chance to get a good amount of at bats. If I were Frank Wren, I would be jumping at the chance to sign him.
Other available players with a chance to contribute to the team are; Andy Laroche, Felipe Lopez, Julio Lugo, and Chad Tracy. Out of these four players, I would prefer them sign Tracy. Though he is a lefty, he has hit 20+ home runs twice in his career, and though he has not been a regular the last few seasons, that could actually be a plus. He does not mind coming off the bench, and can be signed rather cheap. All in all, the Braves already have a pretty good starting 9, and a solid bench. They can go in to the season with the team they have and be solid. If the do decide to pick up another bat, maybe they will read this and use their knowledge wisely. As always, I wish you all a good day, and as always, GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, a lot of people may be mad at me, but position-wise, Joe Mather is just like Eric Hinske, only downgraded some. They both play LF and RF and 1B, and could come off the bench. But I’d be more comfortable with Hinske. I think these 2 will battle it out in ST.
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And 3B.
Every time, when I hear the national anthem, I say Atlanta between "home of the" and "brave". And I imagine those jets that fly over being painted in red, blue, and having a painting of the Tomahawk.
If Joe Mather were a legitimate option at 3B,
why did the Cardinals — a team desperately seeking a backup 3B — put him on outright waivers last October?
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Hinske isn’t battling for anything, his name might as well be written on the 25 man roster in ink at this point.
If Mather is batting with anyone for a roster spot it will likely be Brooks Conrad, but Mather’s superior defensive skill and versatility give him a big advantage.
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by Cammando2317 on Jan 19, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think that were stuck with Mather...
He’s out of options so unless he’s just a disaster in Spring Training we’ll see on the MLB roster.
Just a side note Chad Tracy signed with a NPB team, the Hiroshima Carp I think. So he’s not an option any longer.
I actually think that Felipe Lopez is a decent suggestion, he can play just about anywhere and if motivated(which can be a challenge) he can help the team offensively.
I don’t think the Braves would be willing to give either Harristion the money they want, I doubt that were looking at a shortstop signing at all really. Frank Wrens seems to think that Diory, Hicks or Lucas can handle the backup SS duties and had mentioned another outfielder s few times.
The Andruw reunion is a good tough, but I agree unlikely. Millage in CF is actually not so good( though better than Nate) but I like where your head is at. As do I with the GMJ idea, he’s not a disastrous OF and on a minor league deal could be valuable if he can remember how to swing from either side of the plate.
As far s Randy Winn goes, just say no.
I actually wouldn’t be too shocked to see Mather put up a .250/.325/.475 line with a few bombs if he’s finally healthy. It’s funny that he’s supposed to be our main RH bat off the bench though and his splits indicate he’s a better hitter against RHP.
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Mather isn’t the answer to this question. But he is an answer for the bench. He’s better at what he does than Conrad and should take the bench spot Conrad would be given. Mather could provide some solid production when Chipper misses games. I asked the MLB.com Cardinals blogger about Mather and his talent and he said he has starting left field talent with an injury plauged history. He is one of the 5 best non-starters the Braves have, which means he should have a spot on this bench.
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I think that’s way too optimistic. I’d bet decent money that his ceiling is roughly .260/.330/.420.
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Lastings Milledge is the worst. He’s such a piece of dirt human being. He doesn’t try and doesn’t care. Melky 2.0 and the sequel would be so much worse.
I’d love to see the team get Jerry Hairston Jr., that dude’s made himself into a great utility man.
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Yep
I think either Hairston will work. I wish the Braves a Great Season!!!!
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by mikemike080178 on Jan 16, 2011 12:26 AM EST reply actions
A few thoughts.
Andruw looks impossible; the Yankees and Rays both seem to want him, that will make him too expensive for us unless he gives us a huge hometown discount. Even if he would, we would have to move KK first to have the money, and Andruw will get signed before then. That’s a shame, as he is the best option you mention.
Christian Guzman is no longer even a league average shortstop. His hitting resembles Gonzo, lousy OBP (.307 career) with less power. Pass.
Gary Matthews, Jr., is a decent corner outfielder, but has been a lousy centerfielder for many years now. He also can’t hit. Triple pass.
Either Hairston makes lots of sense. Scott Hairston is not a great hitter, but he has some power, and his other numbers may have been suppressed by Petco the past few years.
Jerry Hairston, Jr., has great positional flexibility; he can play pretty much anywhere we need him, including SS and CF, which would be our biggest needs. He can’t hit much, but that’s okay; he’s a backup SS. If somebody can play decent SS and can hit at all, he’ll be a starter for somebody. He can hit as well as any backup SS you’ll find except in rare cases where a team with a SS has a kid come up who can hit (like Lowrie and Scutaro in Boston).
Only one I'll argue on
is Guzman (it’s Cristian, btw, akin to folks typing up Andrew Jones to me ;) ). He’s not an OBP guy, but in the National League his OBP is actually much better than the .307 career mark he holds. He’s posted a .316 OBP in the NL, and that includes a terrible 2005 before finally giving in and having eye surgery. Since missing 2006 with recovery from shoulder surgery, he’s been a .295/.327 guy. He’s not going to be your leadoff hitter, but he has good contact skills, still has good enough range to play short and plays 2B fairly well. He’d be a solid middle infield utility guy as someone who would give at least some BA when he gave Gonzalez a day off, which we’re honestly not certain any of our other options at this point can do.
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by biggentleben on Jan 17, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Guzman's SS defense...
…still strikes me as questionable. His bat, while perhaps slightly better recently is still pretty weak. On the other hand as a minimally priced bench guy, you could do worse. I would still prefer Jerry Hairston for the same role. I think the offense is about the same and the defense is better.
Not arguing against Hairston
Guzman still can get to the deep ball behind the 3B (something important with Chipper, frankly), but his arm is such that about 50% of the time, he puts the ball in his pocket because he knows he doesn’t have the arm to get it there anymore after his shoulder surgery. That’s the biggest knock on his D that I’ve had on him. When he was in Minnesota, he did things defensively that I’d only seen equaled by the Wizard.
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by biggentleben on Jan 18, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Andruw
I doubt that Boston or NYY are offering Andruw more than vet mini + incentives. Otherwise, he’d already be signed. It’s more likely they’re looking for a veteran bench bat. Still, with the DH, he’s more likely to earn those incentives than here…
We'll see.
Andruw and the Yankees are apparently close now after earlier having been way apart on money. I have a feeling it will be 2 million plus, but who knows at this point?
they could easily sign him to a 4 years deal worth 15M and it woulnd even really shock me
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I don’t think we’re giving Mather a spot. He can earn one in ST, but we got him for nothing and it’s no biggie if we lose him for nothing either. Still, he offers more positional versatility than just about anyone on the list. A 4-Corner guy who won’t embarrass you in CF is pretty valuable… IF he’ll hit. If he can reclaim his 30 HR performance from AA (pre-injuries) then we’ve found a diamond in the rough.
The other names are just that – names. I don’t see any of those names being a big upgrade over the winner of the roster spot out of Diory, Hicks, Mychal Jones, Matt Young, or some other guy we’ve got in MiLB. Sure, it’d be nice to have some veteran bench guy for depth, but those come cheap in season. No need to commit salaries now unless a true bargain presents itself.
I’d take Young over Mather in a heartbeat. I’d think the other three are basically a crap shoot, with Jones maybe being a bit better with the bat and the other two a bit better with the glove.
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I really like Myke Jones...
but I think he’s probably going to start the season in AA unless he sets the world on fire in spring training. Wouldn’t be surprised at a mid season call up though. If we don’t sign an outfielder I think Matty Young finally gets a shot early this season.
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I'll take the one who shows more in ST
And we’ve got room for both on the roster anyway.
My point more is that there isn’t a lot of reason to discuss the 24th and 25th guy on the roster right now. We have guys in house who can do the job just as well as the names out there for the 150 or so ABs that they’d be projected to get. No need to run out and overspend for a bench guy when we don’t even know how ST will shake out.
For the last week I’ve seen this post on the right side and thought “Is Joe Mather the Answer?” “Well it depends on the question”. I just listened to a 30 minute interview between Bill Shanks and Mather(posted as a fanshot) and came away thinking Mather will be a decent bench guy to have around.
He said he’s most comfortable in RF, loves CF, grew up a SS, can fill in at SS or 2B “in a pinch”, plays a lot of 1B and 3B and has been taking grounders all winter in Phoenix. He’s finally healthy, so I’m thinking he might be a good utility guy to have around. Front office guy Bruce Manno came from St Louis and had lots of input on bringing Mather to Atlanta and Fredi saw a lot of him in ST where it seems the Marlins and Cards share a facility.
A healthy Mather might turn out to be as good as any of the guys we rosterbated about bringing in.
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