Braves Lose Opener To Cardinals 11-4
by BenDuronio on Sep 9, 2010 10:13 PM EDT
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PrintThis was not the type of game we expected. Adam Wainwright and Jair Jurrjens looked awful at the start of the game, but Wainwright pulled it together and dominated after a rough first inning. Jair had a terrible day on the mound and will have to pitch much better down the stretch for the Braves to have a chance. The season is winding down and these types of performances after being given a lead are becoming unacceptable, in my opinion.
As mentioned, the Braves had a very productive first inning. Omar Infante singled and advanced to third on two throwing errors. Jason Heyward then singled and Derrek Lee hit a home run three batters later. After that, the offense shut down. Eric Hinske added an RBI single in the ninth.
Scott Proctor and Christian Martinez gave up three runs combined over 1.2 innings. Kyle Farnsworth and Craig Kimbrel pitched perfect innings, and then Kenshin Kawakami let up a home run to Colby Rasmus, his second of the game.
Jurrjens got out of a bases loaded jam with no outs in the third, which could have invigorated the offense. Even so, it was against Yadier Molina, Pedro Feliz, and Adam Wainwright -- not exactly "murderer's row."
Tomorrow the Braves face another tough pitcher in Chris Carpenter and Mike Minor starts for the Braves.
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Jair's not going to pitch better
His velocity is down, his command is shot, and this is his third awful start out of four. He’s hurt.
you're right
we’re doomed.
Hanson isn’t striking out batters.
Jurrjens is having terrible control.
Minor and Hudson are tiring.
Lowe has a bone chip floating around in his pitching elbow.
And Kawakami cant pitch an inning without giving up a run
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
weell
3/4 of that is right.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 9, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
well, Lowe one was right, the Jurrjens one was right and the KK one also soo 3/5 :)
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 10, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Better to get killed than lose by 1 in a heartbreaker.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, these you chalk up to poor performance all the way around rather than 1 key play that did the undoing.
Maybe they got it all our of their system and will focus the rest of the 3 games. I’ll confess to being a bit concerned.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
last season
Someone mentioned jj and Tommy as possible trade bait for a bat during this coming offseason, and I scoffed at the notion. After this season, I wouldn’t mind seeing either one of them traded in the offseason, especially jj. We have too much pitching in the minors to hang on to two wildly inconsistent pitchers. Im willing to give Tommy the benefit of the doubt because it’s his first full season, but after today my opinion of jj has plummeted.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh, I see
So because he was bad tonight, we should just ignore the other 2 and a half good, if not great seasons he’s had.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nope...
Your point backs up mine: I know jj has been outstanding. But when he’s been bad this season he’s been terrible. Same with Tommy. I wouldnt mind keeping both, but if we could sell high on jj (barring many more performances like tonights the rest of the season) I wouldnt mind seeing him go for a quality return.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 9, 2010 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well any thought of trading Hanson is nuts, but I agree that we could deal Jurrjens. Here’s the problem though: Hudson, Hanson, Lowe, Minor, and Kawakami would be our rotation next year. That’s not very good. And even if we can get rid of KK or Lowe, then we’re looking at Beachy as our #5. Teheran couldn’t possibly be ready until mid-2011 (at the very earliest) and we don’t have many other options in the upper minors right now. And you know FW isn’t going to spend on a FA starting pitcher with Lowe, Hudson and Kawakami already making up 1/3 of our payroll.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I AGREE WITH
a lot of what is said. I do think that there are certain players that EVERY franchise has players that are “hands off” when it comes to a trade. I also think thats fewer players than one might think. It depends on what you get in exchange and are you clearly better after the trade. The proven younger players- hands off for sure. they’re proven and under control for some time. problem is we have several high $ players that are not pulling their weight. If noone else wants them – stuck. then again I think Houston is a better team now after trading some vets AND SENDING $ with the trade. they ended up with some descent your talent. Not enough to contend but the BRAVES are already contenders – just need a little help in some areas.
You mean big help in CF.
That’s the one position that is a complete weakness.
For 2k11, we’re ok everywhere in the IF, LF is the easiest spot to plug someone in, CF is the blackest of black holes, and RF- we’ll I think he’ll do alright…
Lowe may be overpriced massively at $15mil, but he’s not hurting the ballclub just by his mere presence- unlike any of our CFs. I’d keep him, and try to dump off KK and McLousy.
nope...
Your point backs up mine: I know jj has been outstanding. But when he’s been bad this season he’s been terrible. Same with Tommy. I wouldnt mind keeping both, but if we could sell high on jj (barring many more performances like tonights the rest of the season) I wouldnt mind seeing him go for a quality return.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 9, 2010 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
huh?
Double reply fail
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
huh?
Im confused.
I would think that if a pitcher usually throws games that he only gives up a run or two and the occasional start where he gets shelled that he would be more appreciated simply because it shows that he just had a bad day. He’s on 75% of the time and when he isnt he’s not.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
thats whats so frusrating
I don’t mind a pitcher having a bad outing from time to time, and a few terrible ones throughout the season. But when jj has been off, he’s been waaaaay off. There’s no in-between with him this season, and right now im not confident when he takes the mound. We simply don’t have room for more throw away games like this the rest of the season, let alone playoffs.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 9, 2010 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as i said
i would rather 80% of his starts be phenominal and 20% be terrible than 50% phenominal 30% average and 20% terrible
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
keep in mind
I said sell high on jj. I don’t think he’s a bum. But I’d rather have a consistently “average” pitcher than a Guy who is either hot or ice cold.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 9, 2010 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i understand your point we just disagree
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i didnt say
they had. the point i was making was that i would rather have a hot and cold guy than a mainly luke warm one.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Its easier
for pitchers to pitch when they have a lead. JJ had a lead – had a bad outing……..Overall I like the pitching staff with a couple of exceptions. Other than the braves pitching staff – whos would you rather have. NYY is not an acceptable answer. teams with unlimited budgets are excluded from this answer.
serious question?
Cardinals
Rays
Blue Jays
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
no breathing room left
no more losing. this is sickening. 2 to florida, 2 to pittsburgh.
did anyone else notice McLouth 2 for 2 after getting put into the game as a sub? can we f*cking put him in CF for the rest of the way out please?!
he's the opposite of jj
he’s 80% horrible and 20% good
just cause he had 2 good AB means absolutely nothing for Mclouth
Sad, sad, sad
Too many Braves fans giving up.
Heyward is pretty good
I'm certainly not giving up, but things are falling apart for this team fast and if they don't
right the ship very soon, then the Braves are going to be watching the playoffs on tv. They are choking while the Phillies just keep winning.
You do realize we faced one of the best pitchers in baseball tonight, right?
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
we got 3 runs off of him.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, if all of these people freaking out really thought we should win tonight
I worry about them a little. I know you don’t need to be told drum, but Wainwright has been arguably the best pitcher in the NL since the start of 2009. And most of the people in here think we just got shut down by Jason Marquis or something.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm certainly not freaking out about anything, but I expect our pitchers to be able to hold
a 3 run lead when his offense gets those runs off a pitcher like wainwright. I also expect this team to play a little better with the playoffs on the line. I don’t think stating that they aren’t doing that should be considered freaking out.
Jurrjens
just had a bad night. No pitcher is going to be perfect every night.
It’s crazy how when anyone not named Hudson has a bad outing there is this big ol’ fuss about something must be wrong, let’s trade this person, call up player x.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not you specifically
someone else posted that.
then the other night when hanson had a bad night people were asking if something is wrong with him. the guy is on pace for like 170 k’s in his 1st full season in the majors. whats all the fuss about?
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You act like this is his first terrible start. I understand he’s been much better since coming off the dl, but as I said before, I don’t trust jj right now. I’d also be more inclined to be positive right now if this team wasn’t tanking so badly down the stretch right now.
Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!
by Brave Neander on Sep 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What makes you think the Braves “shouldn’t” be able to beat Wainwright? He’s great, yes but also the Cardinals were 0-4 in his last four starts, and he had given up 13 runs in 24 IP. Tough luck stretch for a great pitcher – yes, but “should” the Braves be able to win against him – well, I’d think so. By your judgment the Braves shouldn’t beat Carpenter, the two Roys twice, Josh Johnson again. Going to be tough for them if they shouldn’t be able to beat any top tier pitchers, they have several left to face.
by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and the point to that was, when the Braves get the chance to win against a top tier guy, the rest of the team “should” step up, i.e. Jurrjens tonight.
by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
more like
we should have a hard time beating anyone named Wainright, Halladay, or Johnson. Everyone else you mentioned is Tier 2
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine – but should have a hard time is different than thinking “we should win”. Of course the Braves will have a hard time winning against these guys, but not expecting to have a chance to win?
by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the point he is making
is that there are very few Tier 1 pitchers aka “Aces” and since we dont have any it makes our chances of success very slim. Hudson honestly IMO has been great this year but i still see him at the bottom of the 2nd tier/top of the 3rd tier. basically a #2 starter.
Hanson isn’t even someone I think can make it to that upper echelon of pitchers unless he develops a change-up.
Jurrjens is under Hudson.
So yes we would need career nights from any of our SPs to match a regular outing from a Halladay, Johnson, or Wainright.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m on board with you the tier of pitchers the Braves have. huddy has been great all season, but is regressing right about the point he normally has, maybe a month later. Of course, my devils advocacy side asks what is the Braves record this year when scoring first, leading by three runs, etc. Looking at it that way, I think overwhelmingly, the Braves “should” have won and had a fair chance to win. Hell, they’ve beaten Johnson twice this year.
by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
we did have a fair chance to win
however you’re talking about pitchers having their normal outings then their random terrible ones this was a terrible one for Wainright. Eliminate the 1st inning and thats what his true pitching level is. He retired everyone he faced after that 1st inning basically.
So we basically saw two starters have their “worst” nights and our starters worst night is just uglier than the other guy
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I will give you that, JJ never got out of his funk. Shoulda, could, woulda. If and buts, candy and nuts I guess.
by CharlotteChop on Sep 10, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW
I do still think our rotation can hold its own in the post season because outside of the Giants there is no team with 2 legit aces (Lincecum and Cain). Everyone else has an Ace then a 2,3,3 and 5. Philly has an Ace, two #2’s, then two 4’s..
We however have 3 High 2’s, a 4, and Minor is a non-factor
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
If you ranked the pitchers and said the top 10 are “true aces” he wouldnt be in that top 10 any season outside of this one.
I didnt say Minor wasn’t better than Kendrick. I said he was a non-factor because he won’t be pitching in the post-season.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I offered you a choice between two alternatives
And you wrote “Yes.”
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry
i misread. I would say Hudson is in the middle of the 2’s. I still think guys like Carpenter, Cain, Haren, Kershaw, Beckett etc. would all rank ahead of him. BTW you’re probably asking who I would say are the top ten.
Random Order:
Felix
Wainright
Johnson
Halladay
Grienke
Santana
Cliff Lee
Lincecum
Sabathia
Lester
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Since you called him a low 2 in one post, then a high 2 in the very next one, “middle of the 2’s” is a good place to put him, using the Goldilocks rule of thumb.
Not that it’s all that pertinent, but I think Hudson would’ve likely placed as a top 10 guy in 2002 and 2003, and (depending on who makes the call), 2000.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Latos this year?
I don't know shit about baseball.
by oVecKid on Sep 10, 2010 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
The 5 run inning blew their minds, threw them so far off balance they couldn’t get their shit back together. The important thing was getting ahead early, Lee finally is getting started, McLouth is no longer worthless, Prado, Infante, McCann, Gonzo, Heyward are still good players. We lost 1 game because it went to shit, way too much good going on to give up yet.
Heyward is pretty good
I realize that. It's not just about tonight though. They can't keep losing to teams like the
Marlins and the Pirates. The Phillies keep winning while the Braves keep losing. That’s just a fact right now. I mean there’s just no denying that this team isn’t playing well at all right now, and it couldn’t come at a worse time.
I agree
i know that we should beat the Pirates but the Marlins are a good team with a great offense.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kinda in a Pink Floyd/Dark Side of the Moon mode
“Hanging on in quite desperation is the English way.”
This season is turning from magical to manical. What a ride. Go Braves.
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
I’m not giving up, but these are facts:
Losing Medlen was huge.
Losing Chipper was huge.
We haven’t been the same since.
Losing Chipper had hurt us in both offense and defense. Our defense just does not look good with Infante at 2nd and Prado at 3rd. It isn’t working. Also, when Chipper got hurt, it completely changed the lineup. When we had Prado leading off, things seemed to work better. I realize Infante has been great, but I would like to see Bobby switch things up and move Prado back to leadoff. I mean, would it really hurt??
I don’t want to lose faith, but something needs to change immediately.
There is some good from tonight
Kimbrel, McLouth and Derrick Lee
If McLouth and Lee can get going that would be huge.
It’s weird…I can’t really figure out our lineup right now. It’s not like all of our guys are slumping. Infante and Prado continue to get hits, Heyward is a beast, Lee is starting to hit, Gonzalez has been solid since July, McLouth/Melky/Ankiel isn’t very good, but they’re hitting 8th. I guess BMac isn’t hitting like he was a few weeks ago and the Hinske/Diaz platoon isn’t much, but they’re still not horrible.
But for some reason, we can’t put it all together. It’s confusing.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
essentially
its what happened last year when the entire bottom of our lineup was terrible (Frenchy, Schafer, KJ)
I think Bobby should do what everyone knows needs to be done and put Heyward in the #3 spot.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The lineup needs to look like this:
Infante
Prado
Heyward (he needs to hit here to drive in more runs or flip him an McCann)
McCann
Lee
Gonzalez
Hinske/Diaz
Melky
Pitcher
by BravesFanScout on Sep 9, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado
Infante
Heyward
Lee
BMac
Gonzalez
Hinske/Diaz
Melky/McLouth
P
looks better, IMO.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
McLouth CF
Prado 2B
Heyward RF
Lee 1B
Glaus 3B
McCann C
Gonzalez SS
Infante LF
BOOM!
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I'm talking about
if McLouth really does have his act together
Not gonna happen. they are trying to get infante the PAs needed to qualify for a batting title. I think Bobby doesn’t want to tinker with 1-2-3 spot.
he should
I would rather Prado get 200 hits than Infante win the batting title.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
who cares about Infante's batting title?!!?
we’re in a playoff race, we need to win, and probably CarGo will win the batting title.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Sep 10, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
Prado
Infante
Heyward
Lee
BMac
Gonzalez
Hinske/Diaz
McLouth
P
really
not a fan of hinske . . . for some reason.
I wish Diaz could heat up. I remember last year everyone was calling for him to lead off when he was on that crazy tear and McLouth was sucking
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
I remember when Diaz started everyday in the second half last year and he was tearing up the ball. I want that to happen again
then
do we get rid of Mr. Insanely high BAbip?
Dare I say Infante goes back to the bench?
He surely isnt going to be playing SS with Glaus at 3B lol
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what it is…It’s LOBster!
and the LOBster comes about because of non-clutch hitting. If the Braves guys can hit with no men on—that’s nice. But LOBster even from Prado, Heyward, Infante (2 DP last night) etc. will equal=not clutch results.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
Absolutely
Braves will get their game back together, IF they solidify 1B and CF (I can’t believe I just wrote that) they are a very solid team.
Heyward is pretty good
Hmmm...
Well to be honest we can’t lose any more series or we may be watching the playoffs. I bought playoff tickets today for Game 1 and TBD Game 3 at Turner Field. I would really like to spend that money instead of getting a refund. If our pitching isn’t holding opponents to 2 or 3 runs a night our offense hasn’t been good enough to put up a ton of runs in a shoot out. Let’s hope this is like the Tommy Hanson start after the series in Colorado. I have a feeling we are going to turn this around tomorrow night and put together a nice string of W’s. Let’s hope they don’t prove me wrong.
C'mon Braves
I can’t sit here and say “Dang Phillies won’t freaking lose!” anymore. It’s time to step and do the job you’ve done so well 80 times this season. WIN. Thanks. That is all.
Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.
I love JJ and Tommy and don’t want to see them go. But there’s too many “ifs”… If McLouth gets hot, if Lee starts hitting, if Lowe can man up… If blah blah blah… Its september 9th… There’s not much time left to wait for these ifs to happen…
"I wasn’t thinking about it. That’s the worst celebration of all time. I didn’t know what to do. I got lost in the moment." - Brian McCann
by HansonManCrush on Sep 9, 2010 11:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
you mean
IF the Phillies can keep playing the way they have?
IF McCann stays in a slump for the rest of the season?
IF
IF
IF
EVERY TEAM HAS IFS!!!!
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
McCann always seems to wear down and has a mini slump in September.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
by Pavy848 on Sep 10, 2010 1:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
McCann has a .283 avg. in September. That’s not a bad average in my opinion.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Sep 10, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I did not expect this.
I thought it was going to be a pitching duel and we all see how that turned out. JJ had a bad start. His control was off and I’m very confident he will get things turned around. Lee has looked good the over the past ten days and I think he will continue to heat up. Also, Mclouth has looked good since coming back. If Mclouth keeps the up, then I believe should be the starting CF again.
at this point
im not expecting anything from anyone we throw in CF or LF Therefore my feelings wouldnt be hurt to see McLouth start out there all the time.
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
at this point
I think he is better than Melky
Why not
Infante-Heyward-Diaz
Prob THE WORST defense ever but productive
by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We have felt what we thought was the bottom before
with the 9 game losing streak. This has been a team of miracles…but they sure could do my blood pressure a favor and go ahead and wrap up some wins.
The way things are developing in the west
I think we might have better luck hoping that the Padres keep eating the dirt the way they have. If they switch places with the Giants, I think they made do a full blown fade.
I know that’s something of a three cushion shot, and it’s also probably not what we need to be worrying about, at least not primarily, but it’s seemed true to me here recently.
Smoltz is right in that games like this happen and that this was just one game.
Ben’s also right when he writes that things like this can’t keep happening. They’re magnified at this point in the season.
I think the Giants will replace the Padres, but we’ll all be watching the Rockies, only 3 1/2 back I think now.
by CharlotteChop on Sep 10, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't too happy to see that final today from Coors.
The Reds had that game in hand. I went out to eat dinner and everything went kablooey.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
funny how it works out there, huh? I was at work and my co worker was watching it on mlb.com. Told him not to get too comfy at 5-0 judging on what happened to the Braves two weeks ago. Ooops.
by CharlotteChop on Sep 10, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought after Chapman pulled his Houdini act
They would hold it together.
The Rockies have a bunch of players who I think are just too stupid to think they’re ever beaten and it helps them do unlikely things. Like Rocky Balboa with a bat and glove.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
the Padres will fade just because their pitching is tiring and the offense isnt really picking up the slack too much.
I say Giants win the west and Cardinals win the WC with Braves winning the East.
by drumzalicious on Sep 10, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
i wasn’t expecting the same mentality that pervaded after losing the second game to the pirates…everyone realizes we lost to the probable favorite for the nl cy young right? i can take that loss…let’s just go out there tomorrow and even the series
by forgotten_glory on Sep 10, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
If you had said before the game
JJ’s going to really have a rough outing and AW’s going to go 8 strong, I think we would have been willing to accept that, at least logically if not emotionally.
To have it play out like it did, with Lee coming up with a clutch homer and us looking like we were going to have our way with him, with JJ looking razor sharp in the top of the first then suddenly hitting a hidden pool of quicksand and disappearing from sight…it’s just a little rough to handle, at least for a while.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
i was unable to see the game, but i had already prepared myself for a possible loss against wainwright…i can see what ur saying tho
by forgotten_glory on Sep 10, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't know doc hallway pitched for the Cards
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
damn auto correct
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
lol no prob
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i think wainwright has the edge over him just barely at the moment, but halladay is a close #2…
by forgotten_glory on Sep 10, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
i may be a little biased but watching Doc every 5th day, i cant see how he wouldn't win
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't looked at the stats in a week or so, but...
Last time I did a comparison, Roy was on top in all of the Sabermetric categories, with Adam and Hudson close behind, in that order. Traditionalists like him, too, so…I would think he’s got an inside track.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i think
that a lot of people think wainwright deserved it last year and didn’t get it as well..so he may have some votes from that as well..just a thought
by forgotten_glory on Sep 10, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He definitely deserved it last year
i had him on my fantasy team, he was unstoppable
"Who's Been Eatin' Hummus" DJAX
by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That's true.
Last year was a great race. I said at the time that any of the three would deserve it and any of the other two would be unfairly left out. I think, all in all, they made the right call but that holdover effect may work in Adam’s favor.
by Sam Jethroe on Sep 10, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
hasn't halladay struggled the last few games as well?
i understand the bias factor…haha…i think hudson deserves a little more mention than he may be getting (although i don’t think he beats either wainwright or halladay this season)
by forgotten_glory on Sep 10, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
if you call 7 or 8 innings with 3 or 4 earned struggling (i guess thats is bad for Doc)
he won the one during the weekend where he gave up 3 in 7. he should have won one of the previous 2 but our offense wasn’t feeling it much
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by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah But hudson seems to have caused Polanco to have considerable elbow problems after hitting him
so i mostly ignore him :)
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by howard is better than pujols on Sep 10, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Turn out the lights, the parties over
It’s been a fun ride, but BC proves he’s not much of a manager again. Watch the Giants lead the WC by this time next week.
Aaron Murray for Heisman!!
Woah. There are WAY too many of you folks around here that ride high during the good times, but shit, the sky just fucking FALLS for a lot of you folks after one hard loss. Tonight blew, and there’s no disputing that. Tonight doesn’t mean our season’s over. Tonight doesn’t mean our hopes in the playoffs are any dimmer. Tonight doesn’t mean our pitching staff is decimated. And if tonight makes you seriously reconsider how you value JJ as a pitcher, you need professional help. I’m not saying any names and I don’t say any of this with the intent to piss anyone off, but it’s gut check time people. We’ve got 21 games left, lead the wild card, and are only a game out of first. We’ve been positioned better, with SIX GAMES left against eh division frontrunner, this thing isn’t anything close to decided yet. So please:
by J-Freak on Sep 10, 2010 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
^^^What he said
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Sep 10, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
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/BANNED
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Sep 10, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i hope
is enough to chop our way in into the postseason…. (sighs)
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Sep 10, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like he has an axe to grind.
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
via ELIAS
MLB – Derrek Lee HR
bq. Derrek Lee’s first-inning homer came on an Adan Wainwright curveball at 75.7 mph, meaning more than half of his dingers this season (9 of 17) have come on offspeed pitches. That includes three curveball homers this year. From 2006-2009, fastballs had a 3-to-1 advantage. Lee hit 63 taters on the heat and only 21 on offspeed pitches— including just four curveballs in those four years.
D-Lee really loves fastball
jj can't get outs throwing the ball down the friggin middle
i believe he pitched-i mean threw it the worst he’s thrown the friggin ball all season. i thought he and kk had switched bodies until kk came in the ninth and gave up a dinger himself. nate deserves his CF position again. my mother can hit the ball harder than the melk-man and ankiel can’t hit it at all. time is running out bob-o. GO BRAVES!
the most disheartening thing...
about this current slide is our pitching. JJ just isn’t the same this season. Hanson is hit or miss. Hudson is really our go to guy. Minor got shelled in his last outing and barely escaped the start before.
Last season a three run first inning with JJ on the mound would have been a win. Now he can’t even protect a 10 run lead.
Playing against a team
That many analysts hint at packing it in, and only getting 3 runs with the talent our offense has is sad. I don’t care if it’s against a Cy Young winner. Tell that to all
The teams playing the cardnails over the last few weeks. Why the f*** cant we do it trying to stay alive in the pennant race? Get your fucking acts together team, unless you plan on swinging a metal club rather than a wooden one in a month or so…
I don't know shit about baseball.
by oVecKid on Sep 10, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Candidate*
Which even makes my case stronger. You can’t lean on the sad, “oh, it’s on the road, though” excuse anymore. Pull it together for the fans who seem to put more into this than you do. Pull it together for yourselves. You’re better than that, boy. Show me.
I don't know shit about baseball.
by oVecKid on Sep 10, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Despite the loss, I still think the Braves can win the series. Chris Carpenter isn’t as automatic against the Braves as Wainwright is, and with Westbrook and Lohse pitching over the weekend, I feel good about our chances. This game was just a hiccup. If last year was any indication, this team is very capable of putting together a hot streak in September.
Also, if Roy Halladay struggles today, this team could get first place back before Monday. He hasn’t been automatic lately, either.
And for those proclaiming doom and gloom when the Braves are only ONE GAME back, chill.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
Yes! An optimistic Braves fan!!! They’re hard to find nowadays. Sometimes I feel like a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde when watching the season fly by. One day, I’m the optimistic hero telling everyone to buck up. The next, I’m panicking.
I can’t speak for everyone, but: Baseball is such a fickle sport…Baseball fans are fickler.
Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost
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