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Braves stave off humiliation, defeat Pirates, 9-3

When all else fails, use reverse psychology.  I hope you guys knew I was kidding with my exalting preview of tonight's game, and apparently, the ruse worked.  ZACH DUKE couldn't even convert four outs, and Derek Lowe earned his money tonight, as the Braves unleashed all the hits that eluded them the previous two nights, and clobbered the Pirates by a score of 9-3 to prevent the sweep, and end this abysmal road trip on a positive note.

Unfortunately, the Phillies did some clobbering of their own, and don't be fooled by the final score, they mauled the Marlins, 10-6, so they remain in first place by 0.5 games.  The Phillies have an off-day tomorrow, and it's off to hostile New York, so it's technically feasible for the Braves to reclaim first place, albeit via tie, if we can get the job done at home-sweet-home against the Cardinals, whom we're starting a pivotal four-game series with tomorrow.

Anyway, as elated as I am to have seen the Braves finally get their offense going, the most positive thing about the entire evening was the performance of Derek Lowe.  Questioned, whether or not he was even going to pitch today, he silenced all doubters (including a lot of us, myself included), and silenced the Pirates in six efficient innings.  Only in the first and fifth innings did Lowe see any difficulty, with the latter inning one run actually plating, but he staved off any real damage by inducing ground ball after ground ball.  In the end, Derek Lowe had induced 12 ground ball outs, one GIDP.  That's how you know a sinker is really on that day.  Relievers Scott Proctor and Mike Dunn pitched perfectly in the 7th and 8th innings, both getting two strikeouts apiece.  Cristhian Martínez had a poor outing, and forfeited two earned runs on four hits and a walk, which caused Bobby to relieve him in place of Billy Wagner, who needed to get some work in to finish out the game.

Star-divide

The Bobby Cox Compliment (DER(R)EK) Sandwich:  Ehhh, you really gotta tip your cap to Derek Lowe tonight, he pitched real well.  He had the sinker going as well as I've ever seen it.  Despite the great offensive outburst, there's always one guy who doesn't always get in on the fun, and it was Brian McCann, who went 0-4.  Ehhh, it was good to see Derrek Lee have a good night too, he's been hitting the ball real well since joining the team, he's just been unlucky hitting them right at people, but tonight he was finding the holes, and got some big RBI hits.

But seriously, it was nice to see the offense actually get the monkey off their back tonight.  Six Braves finished the night with multi-hits.  I'm also relieved that the team didn't necessarily need to rely on the long ball either, and was getting the job done with key hitting and patience.  Some might still look at the 13 LOB on the night as a sour mark, but considering the rate in which the Braves were putting runners on, it's a little more acceptable.

Enjoy tonight's win, but not for too long.  There's no off-day for us, and it's back home, to host the Cards for four, with tough Adam Wainwright taking the hill first for the Red Birds.  Home may be where the heart is, but it's hard for me to count any team with Albert Pujols on it as anything but a difficult task.

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If Derrick Lee can get going

Then we will be in a great position offensively because he had been a black hole in the middle of the lineup since his arrival. It would also be nice to see a little lineup shakeup.

Infante 2B
Prado 3B
Heyward RF
Lee 1B
McCann C
Gonzalez SS
McLouth CF
Diaz LF

Although in an ideal world Glaus could play 3B and Infante would be in LF.

by drumzalicious on Sep 9, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I see what you’re doing alternating lefty and righty, but that’s not as important as the fact that McLouth sucks. If he plays at all, it should always be 8th.

by redwards95 on Sep 9, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever you put in CF is going to suck, unless you can manage to stick Infante out there, which would be insane.

by Broccoman on Sep 9, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish we had a guy with half the talent of Andruw Jones in CF

Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.

by taney71 on Sep 9, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody with that much talent currently exists on this planet. The Braves need to start pumping some funds into the outer space scouting program.

by king of games on Sep 9, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

..I laughed, I cried, I went to bed happy

but not before noting that I saw a different Derick’s tonight….wouldn’t be magical if their success was not an aboration/illusion?

it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it...Derrek Lee (at press conference sayiing he had been traded to the Braves)

by bravestatoo on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Fir...st things first.

Great win. Great showing by Lowe. Great job putting your collective pedals to the metal, offense.

Now kick some cardnail butt!!! Even against wainwright and carpenter, the games are at Turner, meaning we can score. Let’s go do it

PS: Phuck the Phils.

That is all.

I don't know shit about baseball.

by oVecKid on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Dbacks won

WC lead at 2 for those keeping score at home

by nuftjedi on Sep 9, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

There is a God, and he has a plan for us after all!

by thenightstallion on Sep 9, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

If you're asking me

Then yes, i do.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

This weekend is HUGE

Not only is our series with the Cardinals absolutely important, the Padres start a series with the Giants tomorrow. Although I will be cheering whole heartedly for a sweep of the Phils in New York, gotta pull for the Padres to put some games on the Giants. Even if the Phils win a couple against the Muts, I would love to see us gain some ground on the only Giants and Rockies in the wild card. Hopefully here’s to a weekend of a Braves wins and the Giants and Rockies giving us some room.

by MTSU11 on Sep 9, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Shouldn't Wagner have gotten the save?

I thought that no matter the score, a pitcher is credited with a save when he enters the game with the bases loaded and retires the final batter (wjile maintaining the lead, obviously).

by J-Turn14 on Sep 9, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Impossible to record a save if you enter the game with a 3 run cushion or more. Game situation doesn’t change that.

by J-Freak on Sep 9, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, no, that’s not true.

"They should just give two ROYs in the NL and skip the AL this year." - KLaw

by Lennox on Sep 9, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meant to say 4 or more, not three.

by J-Freak on Sep 9, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I know that isn't true.

Because any time you enter with your team leading and pitch the final three innings you get a save. A couple years ago there was a save recorded by a Rangers pitcher when his team won 30-3.

by J-Turn14 on Sep 9, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. I forgot about the three inning rule superseding the limitation on your lead. The ONLY way you can come in with loaded bases and still record a save though is if your lead is 5 runs or less, because the rule is the tying run has to be on base, at bat, or on deck. So, it’s not the bases being loaded that makes the save in that scenario, it’s whether the tying run is threatening. Our 6 run lead is still too much, even for that high pressure situation.

by J-Freak on Sep 9, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Technically, if a pitcher enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or ON DECK then a pitcher would get a save. Also, no matter the score, if a pitcher enters a game and pitches the final three innings, you get the save. See Wes Littleton for the Rangers. He earned a save in a 30-3 win.

by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kawakami got one of those 3 innings saves last year.

by romone_braves91 on Sep 9, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

You can get a save if you enter the game with the trying run already on base, at bat, or on deck. The Braves had a 6 run lead when Wagner entered the game, the maximum difference that can result in a save (bases loaded) is a 5 run difference.

10.19 Saves For Relief Pitchers
A save is a statistic credited to a relief pitcher, as set forth in this Rule 10.19.
The official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:
(a) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
(b) He is not the winning pitcher;
© He is credited with at least a third of an inning pitched; and
(d) He satisfies one of the following conditions:
(1) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning;
(2) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batters he faces); or
(3) He pitches for at least three innings.

"They should just give two ROYs in the NL and skip the AL this year." - KLaw

by Lennox on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guess I should have read this before posting

Consider my other post a voice of support for this one.

by Creek Johnson on Sep 9, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

We got our winning streak off to a good start tonight!

Go Braves!

*Just Chill* when things start to look a bit difficult-don't panic as you take away your ability to think straight. Go Braves! Go Dawgs! Go Falcons!

by HEYJUDE on Sep 9, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

It’s nice to have some hitting momentum going into this series. We need a minimum of 3/4 games.

"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones

by Jman781 on Sep 9, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Back at Turner Field finally. I hope that means we see more of the awesome home version of the Braves instead of what we witnessed on that road trip. 6-1 homestand would be very nice….

by redwards95 on Sep 9, 2010 6:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Glaus

I went to bed in the 7th, I think. Noticed Troy played some thrid. Did he get any chances? And if so, how’d he look?

by Fatvirus on Sep 9, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Your Daily Ozzy

Good win to finish another 2-4 road trip, but here we go:

Times have changed and times are strange
Here I come but I ain’t the same
Mama, I’m comin home!

Go Braves!

by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Since the All-Star Break

Braves are 9-15 on the road, with 2 series wins (out of 8). Even if we make the playoffs, I don’t see much progress unless they figure things out quickly away from home. We have a 9 game road trip left on the schedule. A 3-6 on that will torpedo the entire season.

by fphjr01 on Sep 9, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I see a tie for the division in our future. Currently 1/2 game division, so here we go:

Braves 13 home games at .720 winning percentage = 9 wins
              9 road games at .430 winning % = 4 wins
Finish 13-9 over last 22 games

Phillies 9 home games at .627 winning % = 6 wins
               12 road games at .515 winning $ = 6 wins
Finish 12-9 over last 21 games

Braves pick up 1/2 game = tie for division.

by CharlotteChop on Sep 9, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who didn’t see this coming?

Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.

by 10-4 on Sep 9, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Seen in SBNation Power Rankings:
Atlanta has now successfully done what’s known in the baseball world as “pulling a Mets.” After leading the NL East for most of the season, the Braves now look up at the Phillies in the standings, trailing by 0.5 games. If you can’t beat the Pirates, though, maybe you don’t deserve to make the playoffs. And with one crappy high-paid starter coming off the DL, the Braves will need to make the tough choices in these coming weeks to secure a trip to the promised land.

Seriously? Now everyone is sounding like ESPN!

Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost

by Joseph_C on Sep 9, 2010 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

They are right.

We did pull a Mets.

Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.

by taney71 on Sep 9, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

True—I wouldn’t class Lowe as harshly as “Crappy” though. He’s bad—but a 11-12 (12-12 now) record, is relatively good. Something like Kawakami’s (1-10) isn’t .
Lowe’s been “bad” but not crappy.

Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things. ~Robert Frost

by Joseph_C on Sep 9, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Also, the Glaus swipe is a bit much. He was probably one of the best everyday players in the NL during the month of May and into April. The guy carried us. What is to say he couldn’t do it again after resting a bit?

Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.

by taney71 on Sep 9, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, W/L record is the absolute worst way to judge the value of a pitcher …

"They should just give two ROYs in the NL and skip the AL this year." - KLaw

by Lennox on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, it's not

The object of the game is to win. Standings and playoff spots are determined by wins and losses. If baseball changes the rules to say that playoff births will be determined by which teams have the best xFIP or BB:K, then I’ll start listening to the “wins are meaningless” crowd.

I wouldn’t put much stock in W/L for relievers but starters still have enormous control over the outcome of a game.

by DCP916 on Sep 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is

Win-loss is a horrible determinant. A pitcher can give up 10 runs and get a no-decision, if his team comes through later in the game and scores enough runs to cover.

Likewise, a pitcher can give up 0 ER over nine innings and pick up the loss.

In both cases, the pitcher had an enormous amount of control over the outcome of the game, and the decision is in no way indicative of how they pitched. These are extreme cases, to be sure, but there are MANY games throughout a season where a starting pitcher gains an unearned win or loss on their record (or gets an unearned no decision as well).

It’s not a freak anomaly, it’s a common occurrence. Given within the context of a 10-20 career, sure, it evens out. But over the course of the season, it’s far too unreliable to trust as a success indicator.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

10-20 year career*

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Sep 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can pitch 9 innings, give up 0 Earned Runs and get a Loss. Another guy can pitch 5 innings, give up 7 earned runs, and get a Win.

So, yes, it’s the absolute worst way to judge the value of a pitcher.

"They should just give two ROYs in the NL and skip the AL this year." - KLaw

by Lennox on Sep 10, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trolls.

That’s all; they’ve been biding their time, waiting for a chance to diss the Braves. They think the time is now. They are wrong. They are pathetic.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 9, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your "reverse psychology" FTW ;-)

Lowe stepped up and pitched great last night. It was so nice seeing the bats get hits and crooked numbers on the scoreboard.

Now, let’s take this momentum to Atlanta and handle the Cardinals.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Sep 9, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Love....

the compliment sandwich.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Sep 9, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

FACEPALM
Wainwright vs. Jurrjens tomorrow. Favorable matchup.

by taco pal on Sep 8, 2010 8:25 PM CDT

The schmucks at Talking Chop probably think it’s in their favor. They chafe at any realistic assessment of Jurrjens’ abilities.

by FuquaManuel on Sep 8, 2010 8:27 PM CDT

They run a pretty crappy blog over there.

by taco pal on Sep 8, 2010 8:28 PM CDT

Good to know I am not the only one who feels this way.

by EREX21 on Sep 8, 2010 8:28 PM CDT

These kind of comments don’t surprise me anymore.

The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.

by TonyAlmeyda on Sep 9, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Braves 49-19 at home
Cardinals 29-41 on the road

So yes, favorable match up.. for the Braves.

by redwards95 on Sep 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care if we are playing this game in Iran and Tony LaRussa takes a dump on a picture of Muhammed before the game. There is no such thing as a “favorable matchup” when you are facing Adam Wainwright.

by DCP916 on Sep 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This for truth

And this for analogy.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 9, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

They get like 1/4th of the page views and visits that TC gets. Our Saturday’s are bigger than their Monday’s. Jealousy is a bad taste, I guess.

For Bobby.

by Scott Coleman on Sep 9, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Glad to be part of this 'crappy blog'

Upcoming series is HUGE. Losing ground while at home (even against the Cardinals) would be very, very bad.

We must, MUST win 3 or 4 games in this series.

And, for the record, the Braves have not ‘pulled a Mets’ quite yet. Yes, we lost two in Pittsburgh, but the Phillies lost FOUR to the Astros at HOME. Does this go unnoticed by the j-offs at SBNation? How about the fact that there are still 22 games left, and we are only 1/2 game out, and still leading the wildcard?

by ryantex on Sep 9, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

1/2 game is nothing. It’s not our fault that a minor blip on the radar makes collective nay-sayers’ pants bulge.

"C'mon Chip!"

by DuPu on Sep 9, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and rec’d. :]

"C'mon Chip!"

by DuPu on Sep 9, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a little uncalled for

For them to make that kind of assertion, but when the editorial staff of SBN’s general site are all respective bloggers with respective favorite teams, it’s easy for them to take jabs and potshots, and to not necessarily believe an unbiased account.

That kind of remark insinuates that no other team in the history of baseball has ever lost a division lead in early September, which isn’t fairly a benign thing to say, and it’s not officially pulling a Mets unless we too make little fight in getting the lead back. And as much as I hate to defend the Mets, in 2008, when they “pulled a Mets,” they did so with zero head-to-heads left on their schedule to really get a chance to get the division back. Considering that they handled the Phillies pretty well (11-7) that year, things might’ve been different if they had six tries to gain some real ground directly after September 8th.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 9, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I recommend using reverse psychology for the duration of the season. The ‘feigned optimism’ and exaltation of opposing flop pitchers is much easier to endure than doom-and-gloom forecasts.

"C'mon Chip!"

by DuPu on Sep 9, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Also:

I don’t think losing a 7 game lead in 6 weeks is all that dramatic. Read CAC’s recent blog post and marinade in his observations for a moment: http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=3037

I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll play our hearts out for the remainder and grab a playoff spot. And if we don’t? Then it’s been a fun season to watch, and I think Bobby Cox will be more than pleased with the Braves efforts regardless of the outcome. I’m just thankful to not relive the 2007 or 2008 seasons every year.

"C'mon Chip!"

by DuPu on Sep 9, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

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