Lineup going forward?
by gsAppState on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT
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PrintI've been thinking a lot about with Glaus coming back up and with the Lee acquisition that the Braves have potential to have an even more dangerous lineup. While I do like the lineup we have now I believe a lineup look like this would be awesome:
Infante LF
Heyward RF
Prado 2B
Lee 1B
McCann C
Gonzalez SS
Glaus 3B
Ankiel/Melk CF
The days that Matty D belongs in the lineup move Infante back to 2B and Prado 3B. I know its a lot of lineup shuffling, but if Glaus returns to his May/June ways then there isn't many lineups that can match this lineup in my opinion. Especially with the great pitching that Atlanta has. Any thoughts?
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Leave Infante and Prado at 2nd and 3rd… No way in hell do I want Melky to start… I wonder if Mclouth still can produce? I say leave Glaus on the bench. He would be a great pinch hitter and option if Lee gets hurt. this is why Wren should have acquired an outfielder on July 1st
conitnuing the role...
of antagonizer. you and justin are good at that. seriously, try to post without insulting someone. it really is a disgrace that you and justin havent been properly warned for your attacks.
and mclouth over melky is not the worst idea in the world. melky had a decent run for june and july but his august numbers were reflective of what he did in april and may. his .303 obp since august 1st is actually prodded by 3 IBB (i’d like to know what those pitchers were smoking). he’s not a good player offensively and his defense is atrocious. it’s not a bad idea to try to give the player with the better track record another opportunity. atleast mclouth can take a walk.
point being: we have 3 centerfield options and none of them are hitting.
One has decent range with no arm.
One has below average range with a cannon.
One looks like he ate the other 2, but if the ball is hit straight to him, he might throw a runner or 2 out.
I’d choose option A or B…
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
by ryan c on Sep 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Keep hating...
Melky is a better defender than you are giving him credit for, and McLouth couldn’t hit in AAA, but let’s give him a job for the ability to take a walk. That’s why Greg Norton started in CF.
Seriously, Nate McLouth did worse than Melky has over the last month, but he did it in AAA. I’m for letting him try to get back, but to call for him over Melky is beyond ignorant.
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by VivaLosBravos on Sep 2, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And you want #s...
ops last month,
Ankiel .640
Melky .694 (over .050 points higher, and down from .813 the month before)
McLouth is .691, in AAA.
Ankiel is getting adjusted, and his year has been mired in injury. I’ll give him a pass for now.
But McLouth sucked all year, and had a lower ops than Melky, in spite of being in AAA. I’m all for letting him earn a job back, through pinch hitting, maybe extended time in blowouts or a spot start. But let’s not go overboard. I get you hate Melky, and can’t be convinced otherwise. But keep picking on him for being fat or whatever, and be ignorant of the fact that he’s put up the best numbers of the 3, and it’s not even close between him and Melky. It’s not meant as an insult as much as a factual statement. Anyone claiming for McLouth over Melky right now is being ignorant of the reality of the two’s play all year
melky is a HORRIBLE defender....
there is absolutely no defensive metric known to man that has melky being any more than a defensive slug in the outfield this year (+/-, UZR, UZR/150). anyone thinking otherwise is being ignorant.
the fact is all 3 have performed below level, ankiel is outplaying melky offensively and defensively, and mclouth has a better track record than the other 2.
melky’s WAR is -0.5, ankiel’s is 0.5, and mclouth’s is -1.4. give them all 3 playing time, choose the “what have you done for me lately” player (which, right now it’s ankiel) and play ball. considering melky is playing horrible, mclouth in center for a few games is not a bad idea.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
but if i had to choose one...
i’d go with the one not obese.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
Define a "defensive slug"...
and whatever the hell that means.
Melky’s UZR/150 in CF according to fangraphs is -23.9 (-18.9 in the OF as a whole), McLouth is -27.8. McLouth’s total zone, -6, while Melky is 1 (-4 in the OF as a whole).
So no matter how you slice it, that “slug” is a better defender than McLouth. But keep trying to spin him as horrible, while saying McLouth deserves a chance. So are you still sure of who is being ignorant on the Melky vs. McLouth comparison?
one more thing and i'll stop...
you knew what you were doing when you called the above poster ignorant. dont act innocent.
when no candidates have won the job and there’s a significant hole in the particular spot, then suggesting to give the one that has seen less playing time a shot is not ignorant.
i never said mclouth is good. i said he deserves a chance. he’s “been” better (much better than melky), he took his medicine like a big boy and went to AAA, he worked on a few things and now he’s back. if he doesnt do well in a few games, go back to melkdud. if he hits, ride him. it’s not rocket science and it most definitely doesnt deserve your rebukes.
mclouth has never played great in a braves uniform, but he had 3 years of combined stats with an .800 ops, and is still young enough to rebound to that level of production.
IT’S NOT IGNORANT TO SUGGEST TRYING HIM….
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
In your opinion it isn't...
mine is obviously different.
And you are just wrong here. He has not been better, let alone “much better” than Melky, and there isn’t a single set of numbers to back your point up. In fact, Melky has put up better numbers, and this is playing in the bigs while McLouth was in AAA. It is ignorant to focus on McLouth getting less time of late, while “ignoring” (hence ignorant) that he has done worse, at a lower level. That’s why he’s played less, because when he has played he has been completely unproductive.
Trying him is not ignorant, it’s the rest of your post that tends to ignore reality.
But hey,
mclouth vs melky
mclouth- career ops .771
melky- career ops .711
he has “been” better…significantly better.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
That'd be great if we were playing in 2007 or 2008...
how about THIS YEAR?
One of the two is playing around their career ops, and at times above. The other is McLouth, and he’s been worse than his career, SIGNIFICANTLY worse. To claim otherwise is ignoring reality, which you clearly have no problem doing in this argument. McLouth has been a worse fielder, has without a doubt a worse arm, and has been worse at the plate. There isn’t a single aspect of the game where McLouth has played better than Melky THIS YEAR. And the year is long enough to be a better judge than career numbers.
while I agree
that Melky isn’t a starter, Sanchez might agree on this as well, he has been productive this year and Mclouth hasn’t done anything this year. I believe Melky is not a starter, but he has been the best optioin this year.
that Melky isn’t a starter, Sanchez might agree on this as well, he has produced this year and Mclouth hasn’t done anything. Melky isn’t a starter, but he has been the best option this year
oh how my words get twisted...
i never said either has had a good year. i said it’s not “ignorant” to give mclouth a few starts to see if he hits, because his track record shows that he’s a good ballplayer.
here’s my point: if you start mclouth for 2 games and he goes hitless, what have you missed? a measly single by melky? we know he’s not going to hit anything with authority.
it’s not like melky’s tearing up the charts offensively or defensively. the risk could be worth the reward. if any of the 3 guys were playing well enough to be an everyday starter, they’d be out there everyday. clearly bobby’s still searching for an answer, as he should be.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
Start McLouth for two games...
and you leave off two better players in Ankiel and Melky. McLouth’s track record is irrelevant when you look at this season as a whole. He’s struggled, and struggled horribly, since spring training. He went to AAA and was worse than Ankiel or Melky a step below. Absolutely nothing he’s done the entire year shows he deserves to start over Melky or Ankiel. Give him a chance maybe in pinch hits, extended run in blow outs, maybe a spot start in a series already won. But it’s pretty obvious to anyone with eyes that Melky and Ankiel are more productive than McLouth right now. His inability to make contact, to make a throw from the OF, do anything positive, shows that his past is not the player we have right now.
At times, absolutely...
and that still doesn’t show how McLouth is worthy of playing in CF right now, or how he should be above Ankiel or Melky on the depth chart. He’s done worse than both, but been in AAA while he did it. But y’all think he should play because Melky’s fat and rabble rabble rabble.
i guess...
someone in the managerial position agrees with me. mclouth is starting in center today.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
And
management is never wrong, right? He’s an automatic out in the lineup
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand."
you might be right...
but so is melky and ankiel. and, wouldnt it be a good managerial tactic to test all 3 of them and see who produces?
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
If you had any reading comprehension skills...
you’d recognize that McLouth in the field today is not at odds with what I’ve said the entire time. But keeping feeling all self righteous if it floats your boat.
ok mr. sanchez...
i’ll keeping feeling all self righteous. it does keep my boat afloat.
where doth my reading comprehension skills go south? show me where anything that you’ve said in this conversation that backs up this point…
“you’d recognize that McLouth in the field today is not at odds with what I’ve said the entire time”.
and melky proves once again how incredibly bad he is as a defensive player…
ya know, it’s ok, even for an antagonizer to admit that it’s a slight possibility he/she might be a tidbit wrong. it’s ok…try it on for once.
i once said i thought brian jordan was going to be a great free agent signing (the 2nd go-around). my argument: “home is where the heart is”….
i was very wrong.
i also said jordan schafer would win ROY.
i was very wrong.
i also said that milton bradley would be a good challenge for bobby’s last year and that we should trade d. lowe for him.
i was very wrong.
you’re not an idiot. you’re rude, crude, stubborn, and of course, an antagonizer, but still not an idiot. just admit that you were wrong for antagonizing someone who said, “it’s not a terrible idea to give mclouth 2-3 starts to see how he does”.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
when he starts two days in a row...
then gloat. Otherwise, this is Bobby’s Sunday B squad. And if you knew how to understand what I wrote, you’d realize I never said he should never play again. I said so far this year, he has looked worse than both Melky and Ankiel, and shouldn’t get more than pinch hits or rare spot starts. If he produces in them, maybe more, but his year has been as bad as it gets and he has been by far the worse of the 3 CF options for this season.
just pointing out...
“And if you knew how to understand what I wrote, you’d realize I never said he should never play again.”
hehe…amusing. 6 years of college and now i finally develop a reading comprehension problem. well, i guess i’m fortunate that a little antagonizer on a baseball blog pointed out my newly developed flaw.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
pissing contest...
me: +1
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
and yes...
now since you’re getting personal, i’m stooping to your “ignorant” level.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
he's starting 2 days in a row...
can i gloat yet?
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
And there is no "act innocent"...
I haven’t backed off the “McLouth over Melky” is ignorant yet. I said it then, meant it, and mean it when I see it now.
But please, correct me if you think I’m wrong. Find me a set of stats that shows McLouth deserves to play over Melky. Where in THIS SEASON has he been a more productive player, including when he was at a lower level? Because he hasn’t, but then your tag line says it all. You’ll hate Melky, and no one can convince you otherwise. That’s fine, you can keep your skull placed firmly in your rectum to your heart’s content. But don’t get upset when people call you out for having your head up your butt.
no cute pic to help prove your point this time?
and i never said this season. i said he’s “been” better, and he has. keep convincing yourself, just like you did the first day he was signed (when gondee posted that “braves re-acquire jeff francoeur in the form of melky cabrera”).
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
because of above pic,...
that probably explains why you are focusing on 2-3 years ago. It must take a while for current information to reach you in there.
it must be hard...
when players that have been good their entire careers have bad years and then rebound while they’re still in their peak years.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
and i'm done...
i’ll continue to come to defense of bloggers on here who wont stand up to you and justin’s bullshit ways until someone does something about it.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
when he rebounds, sure...
until then, he has struggled, and struggled badly since spring training began.
He played in AAA,...
and did worse down there than Melky was doing with the big club. I think it’s pretty safe to say he won’t be rebounding this year. Maybe he needs to recheck his eyes after the surgery last off season, I don’t know, but it’s pretty obvious by now this is a lost year for McLouth.
And also, KJ rarely played last year once he returned from AAA with Prado dominating 2B, and he rebounded well in very limited action, so it is possible for McLouth and he stated on going to AAA that he wanted to mirror KJ from last year. And he has played since returning, and looked like the same McLouth who went down. He’s going to play, at least in a limited role. If he produces in it, wonderful and give him more. if not, oh well and let’s move on hoping he can rebound next year.
kj vs prado...
terrible comparison because prado was playing well. melky is not.
it dumbfounds me how arrogant you are.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
And you ignore
the basis of the point. I wasn’t comparing Prado to Melky, but McLouth to KJ’s early struggles. Difference is, McLouth has been horrible since the first of spring, and he isn’t even 2nd best at his position with both melky and ankiel.
We get it, you think Melky sucks and should have never been acquired or dfa’d immediately. No need to keep proving your inability to accept what is obvious to all regarding McLouth’s extreme struggles all year.
If you were arguing to play Ankiel more, you wouldn’t have seen a word from me. But McLouth, really? When he was worse than both in AAA? Seriously?
and..
you would have never heard from me if you had any other intentions in your initial post other than being a jackass.
ya know, i get it. you know a lot about braves baseball. so do i. you think mclouth doesnt deserve anything b/c of his poor play this year. i think otherwise b/c of his track record and the fact that the other options arent necessarily winning the job . i’m cool with the disagreement.
however, i’m not cool with your downright assholishness to new bloggers. your and justin’s high and mighty persona you carry on a blog, where you’re not one of the mods, disturbs me. people dont deserve the one-liners you hand out frequently. instead of writing what you wrote earlier, couldnt you have said, “I disagree with starting McLouth because…”.
you’re just being a prick for the sake of it, and it’s absurd.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
Or it's my nature...
I was raised with folks that were probably a bit harsher to others, prone to trash talk, or how ever you want to describe it. Now get down off your high horse, and if you don’t care for what I post on here, feel free to ignore it. You do have that choice to simply cruise right on by and not read what I say.
Because I could just as easily accuse you of being overly sensitive (and worse) as you accuse me of being a prick. Notice the original commentor hasn’t said a thing, just you.
...
trash talk to a person who roots for the same team as you do. now that’s a new concept.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
If thats what you want to call it...
and you being as sensitive as it appears would probably put it that way. I think of it more as being honest. Act like an idiot, or say something stupid, and you will be informed of your idiocy or stupidity. Say something ignorant, and you will be told your being ignorant. Don’t like it, then don’t do it.
This
If you make an argument that has no statistical foundation, how can you be mad about someone calling you out on it?
ignorant-adjective: Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular
"Baseball is like church. Many attend but few understand."
and you trash the players on the team you root for...
especially one OF in particular. I fail to see how that makes you any more righteous.
my god...
i’m now dumber for reading this…
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
and from someone who calls himself Mr...
and couldnt be furthur away from, i could give 2 shits…
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
adding to you antagonizing...
it wasnt that you just challenged his point, you wrote “i’m surprised you can spell” as your tagline.
dont act innocent. you’re an ass and bloggers like you, who, instead of trying to discuss something in a real setting, antagonize people with you shit posts.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
And as I've discussed it...
you’ve failed to do so and harped on the antagonizing. And I meant that line you quote as well. I’m surprised someone who would think McLouth has had a better season, and based on their play for the entire year of 2010 would be more worthy of playing time, than Melky, is smart enough to spell.
found you on the net...
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
i agreed with you until you reached the second paragraph
First paragraph was spot on though.
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by RichmondBraves on Sep 3, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks.
Infante isn’t much of an OF’er and Glaus is even less of a 3B’er.
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Infante
Heyward
Prado
BMac
Lee/Freeman
Diaz/Hinske
Gonzalez
Melky/Ankiel
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Bobby came out today...
saying that D.Lee would be the regular starter and Freddie will be a spot starter/PH type. i’d really like to see mclouth get a start or 2 to see if he looks any better at the plate because melky has been simply awful for over a month now, defensively and offensively. surely one of these 3 knucklehead cf’ers can get it going soon, right? i mean, to have 3 cf options on one team and everyone of them has an ops under .700 is INSANE! watch for bobby to give each one an opportunity to prove themselves and ride the lightnin’ to october.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
regarding my own comment..
i just did some research and noticed that ankiel has an .829 ops since Aug. 13th. now, if i recall correctly, the braves players have always talking about the lights at the ted being very difficult to adjust to. it’s a SSS, but after ankiel’s initial home stint with the braves, he’s actually hit pretty well.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
I've said it before and I'll say it again
The minimal boost in offense we get from having Glaus in there will NOT offset having his defense at third and Infante’s defense in LF (not to mention Prado is more comfortable at 3B with his pinkie). Weakening the team defensively like that is not worth the potential benefit. Plus, I think Glaus is the perfect fit for the right handed power bat off of the bench. Don’t fix what ain’t broken
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
regretfully...
i agree.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
Love Infante's bat but his glove scares me
Unlike Prado who took to 3rd well defensively and can make all the plays Chipper did except his sweet barehanded plays.
by crack of the bat on Sep 2, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
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