Takashi Saito's Injury: Why We Should Be Concerned
While last night was certainly a big night for the Braves as they kicked off their 9-game road trip, the injury to Takashi Saito in the 8th inning really bothered me. If you didn't see, Saito came in to pitch last night and left after striking out the first two hitters he faced. Takashi appeared fine, but after throwing a 1-0 fastball, he immediately grabbed his shoulder and signaled for Brian McCann and the Braves coaches to come to the mound. And it wasn't like Takashi tried to walk it off either. It was immediate.
After the game, you always hope to hear a player say something along the lines of, "Oh, it's just a cramp. I'll be fine," but Takashi wasn't as optimistic last night. According to multiple reports, it's the shoulder that's bothering him, and he won't even be evaluated for a few days. That's never a good sign.
When Frank Wren signed Saito in the off-season, it came with mixed feelings from the fans. While most of us liked how productive and effective Takashi had been since coming over to MLB, but we all worried about his health. He hadn't really been healthy since 2008, and he could no longer pitch on back-to-back days (or so the reports from Boston said.) Needless to say, I think those worries have evaporated over the course of the season.
Those are some great numbers, and Saito has been huge for us in the 7th and 8th innings this year. Just for some comparison, Takashi is 7th in the NL in K/9 (11.57), 5th in WHIP (8.9) and 9th in BAA (.196). That's awesome. And he's been even better in the last month or so; in his last 16 appearances, Saito has pitched 15 and 1/3 scoreless innings, with 20 strikeouts, one walk and a .158 BAA (H/T: AJC). In other words, Saito hasn't been just one of the Braves better relievers this season, but one of the better relief pitchers in the National League.
While our bullpen has been great all year (and it's even better now with the September call-ups), this injury really has me worried. It's not that I don't feel safe with our guys we have now, but I'm not so sure we should feel safe with our right-handed relief options if we're in a close game.
Saito brought us a stable, right-handed option every time he came into the game. Now, we have Peter Moylan, who seems to be the "all-or-nothing" type since the All-Star Break. Kyle Farnsworth, despite being pretty good in his last few appearances, always has Braves fans on the edge of their seats with his ability to wreck a game in just a few seconds. Craig Kimbrel, who has pitched about ten meaningful innings in his Major League Career. Cristhian Martinez, who is our long-man in the 'pen. And Scott Proctor, who hasn't pitched in a big game since 2008. I'm not so sure we should feel safe with those five being our right-handed options out of the bullpen.
There isn't much we can do to fix this, but I think it's a point that should be brought up. Say we're facing a few guys like Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla in the 8th inning. Do we feel safe bringing one of our remaining righties in to face them, or do we now have to save Jonny Venters to pitch, regardless of the match-up? None of those guys (besides Proctor) have any experience pitching experience in big games. Saito brought that to the bullpen every night.
This post obviously isn't one to bash any of our right-handed guy in the 'pen. They've been great (for the most part) all season. We wouldn't be where we are right now without them. And while I still have confidence in our right-handed guys, I feel like the injury to Takashi Saito shouldn't be overlooked. If he's done for the rest of the season, we're really going to miss him.
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Saito has been legit.
Now we’ll work ventures even more. I would be alright with kimbrel coming in more, hes looked good of late.
Losing Saito would suck, but it would be equal to going from a Dodge Viper to a Corvette – total awesome to just awesome.
No need to worry. Our RHP is stacked. I have no problem with any of those guys you mentioned.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Sep 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
What happened to taking the weekend off? Just couldn’t stay away, huh? Bring in CK until he walks the bases loaded then PM to get the grounder.
by joshmaurer on Sep 18, 2010 2:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I haven't watched a game...
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 18, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: Braves on Fox
I’m in the Midwest and will be getting Cards/Padres (go Cards!) on FOX and was wondering if I’ll still be able to watch the Braves on mlb.tv. Anyone know?
FOX games are blacked out nationally
so you would need a proxy server from out of the country in order to bypass the blackout restrictions.
No one else...
can even broadcast the game. So if you don’t get the Fox feed in your area, you’re out of luck. Like me. For some bizarre reason, Fox has decided Middle Tennessee should get the St. Louis game instead of the Braves game. I’ve never seen another game shown here over a Braves game.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
For the eighth a mix of Moylan and Venters would be fine. Kimbrel has shown more and more comfort on the Big League mound, and with how much he’s dominated guys lately, I definitely think he can handle the 7th.
Saito had pitched really well, but I don’t think Proctor can be trusted yet in late innings, and for the eighth I would prefer to keep Kimbrel out of there.
Dunn has also been good, but wild as usual, and O’Flaherty has had just as good numbers as Saito.
The guy I just don’t want to see expanding his work, is Farnsworth. I don’t know why we got him. He was bad for us before, and hasn’t been good for us again.
Farnsworth.
According to Baseball-Reference (): Over 17 games played, Farnsworth has a 5.40 ERA (for whatever people think ERA is worth) with 8.4 H/9, 3.0 BB/9, 11.4 K/9, and 3.8 K/BB.
Seems to me he has been pretty respectable since coming over from KC. He is especially valuable in situations where the team needs a strikeout, but where a BB wouldn’t be a killer. He does give up too many hits, though…so he certainly gives me ulcers whenever he is on the mound. That said, when he has it goin’ on, he is a good option to have in the ’pen.
What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw
it just means the other boys gotta step up
moylan has definitely pitched in a lot of big game situations, and has more than enough experience pitching with runners on… I think we can comfortably look to him. At the beginning of the season there was talk about him being a future closer. He has the stuff, he just needs to step it up.
Kimbrel has plenty of late inning experience, but its the majors now, for sure he is going to have to step it up, but he can do it.
Farnsworth needs to face his personal demons, see this as an opportunity to right his wrongs and become a new man.
and, I bet Saito will be back
Catch-22
Can’t trust the guys with little or no playoff experience, but they’ll never get experience without putting them in. At some point you just have to hold your breath and say “go get ’em, kid….”
“None of those guys (besides Proctor) have any experience pitching experience in big games”
Except Moylan has been our late inning man at times, including last year when we were in a similar situation pushing for the playoffs late. Farnsworth was our closer the last time we made the playoffs (05) and has 13 career playoff appearances. I’d say that’s experience in big games.
Kimbrel
CK’s recent emergence gives us a much better insurance policy than we had when ’kashi went down with the hamstring problem.
Still, I hate it. I always respected Saito when he was in LA and it took me @ 13 seconds to fall in love with him when he donned a Braves uniform.
Game starts at 4:10, for anyone who doesn’t know.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Sep 18, 2010 3:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hint hint put up the gamethread cough cough wink wink
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Sep 18, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We need to spend a bit more time...
being “concerned”.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I don't think you want me to do it......
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Anyone but you. Track someone else down to put it up.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Sep 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
this
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Sep 18, 2010 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Saito has been great
but I think KImbrel is ready to step up and take a bigger role
Hopefully, Saito can recover after just one week off.
by LEastCoastBears on Sep 18, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
Alright guys, I'm leaving for the game
Want me to put up the GT?
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
Someone….soon…..please?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Sep 18, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can create a fanpost, if you’ll front page it?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Sep 18, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/9/18/1696667/open-thread-9-18-2010-braves-vs
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Sep 18, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOO
if you do, we’re guaranteed to lose
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Sep 18, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See above.
I got one up.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Sep 18, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Beachy!!!
Give Kimbrel work, bring up Beachy for depth.
by Braves12 on Sep 18, 2010 9:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Craig Kimbrel says,
“Hey F you, pal. I’m the closer!”
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
No problem with him and Venters at the back end next year...
I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping Saito around if he turned out healthy, but we certainly don’t need to spend on a closer this year like we did with Wags.
I feel like we do need to add a veteran similar to Saito for the 7th/8th innings though.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Sep 20, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

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