Atlanta Braves Top-30 Prospects Monthy Recap: July
Again, we update you on the past month's performances by the Braves' top prospects, this month with the updated Talking Chop Top-30 prospects.
1. Julio Teheran, RHP, Myrtle Beach, Mississippi - 1-3, 4.56 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 2.5 K/BB, 10.3 K/9, 4.2 BB/9 - Teheran's overall numbers for the month don't look that great, mostly because his final start of the month, his lone one with Mississippi, tanked his numbers. In 19 innings for Myrtle Beach, he had a 3.32 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP. His K/BB rate with the Pelicans was 4.8, which is much closere to the 4.1 rate he's put up for the whole season.
2. Freddie Freeman, 1B, Gwinnett - .333 AVG, .944 OPS, 4 2B, 6 HR, 22 RBI, 2 SB - As good as he was in June, a .318 average and a .923 OPS, Freeman was even better in July. In June and July he combined for a .326 average and a .928 OPS. For a player who won't turn 21 until a week after the AAA season has ended, he's been nothing short of spectacular.
3. Randall Delgado, RHP, Myrtle Beach, Mississppi - 3.69 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 2.3 K/BB, 9.7 K/9, 4.3 BB/9 - After putting up a 2.78 ERA and a 1.15 WHIP in 22.2 innings for Myrtle Beach, Delgado was promoted to Mississippi where he had a 6.00 ERA and a 1.56 WHIP in 9 innings. After putting up a 2.1 BB/9 rate from April to June with the Pelicans, he upped that to 4.3 for the month of July, perhaps an indication of some fatigue.
4. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP, Myrtle Beach - Vizcaino didn't play in July after succumbing to an elbow strain that may keep him out for the remainder of the season.
5. Mike Minor, LHP, Mississippi, Gwinnett - 4-1, 1.99 ERA, 0.88 WHIP, 3.5 K/BB, 9.9 K/9, 2.8 BB/9 - Minor flat out dominated in his first month of AAA, improving every one of his numbers except his K/9 rate, which is still above 9, an insanely high number for a guy who was supposed to be a "soft-tossing" lefty. If he can continue this kind of production through the end of the season there's little reason to believe that he coudln't contribute at the Major League level in 2011.
6. Christian Bethancourt, C, Rome - .250 AVG, .666 OPS, 5 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 7 RBI - Bethancourt hasn't show much pop or the ability to take a walk all year, and that trend continued in July. He's one of the youngest players in full season ball and the kind of developments he making aren't the kind that often show up in the box scores.
7. Edward Salcedo, SS, Rome - .214 AVG, .633 OPS, 5 2B, 4 3B, 8 RBI, 4 SB - It was a rough first month in America for Salcedo, as he wasn't able to have the same level of success he had displayed in 23 games in the DSL. It's encouraging that half of his hits went for extra bases, but he also struck out 29% of the time.
8. Matt Lipka, SS, GCL - .340 AVG, .834 OPS, 3 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR, 18 RBI, 12 SB - Being a team's first pick in the draft holds a lot of expectations, and Lipka exceeded them all in his first full month as a professional. He did about everything you could hope for as a leadoff hitter, with a .390 OBP and 12 steals, and was only caught stealing twice. He even showed himself a slugger, driving in 18.
9. Craig Kimbrel, RHP, Gwinnett - 1-1, 5 SV, 3.21 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, 1.3 K/BB, 12.2 K/9, 9.6 BB/9 - Kimbrel's worst month of the season can be directly attributed to the huge jump in his walk rate. In the season's first 3 months he allowed 3.8 BB/9, and he more than tripled that in July.
10. Robinson Lopez, RHP, Rome - 0-3, 6.55 ERA, 1.64 WHIP,0.8 K/BB, 3.7 K/9, 4.5 BB/9 - Lopez has had trouble adjusting to the full season schedule, with his stats getting a bit worse each month, and that trend continued in July, as he allowed too many baserunners, mainly due to a high walk total. In April and May he averaged 3 strikeouts per walk, but in June and July that number has gone all the way down to 1.1 K/BB.
The rest of the list after the jump:
11. Myke Jones, SS, Myrtle Beach - .227 AVG, .651 OPS, 6 2B, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 11 BB, 4 SB - After a torrid June, that saw him dominate both before and after a promotion from Rome to Myrtle Beach, Jones cooled considerably in July. Still, his numbers for the year are solid.12. JJ Hoover, RHP, Myrtle Beach - 5-0, 1.22 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 4.6 K/BB, 9.2 K/9, 1.9 BB/9 - You think it would be hard for a Carolina League All-Star to get better, but Hoover was dominant in July, averaging 6.1 innings per start and winning all of his decisions. More than anything, he was able to keep runners off the basepaths, a sure way of keeping them from crossing home.
13. Adam Milligan, OF, Myrtle Beach - Milligan hasn't played since early May, succumbing to a shoulder injury he incurred in mid April. He is likely out for the rest of the season.
14. Brett Oberholtzer, LHP, Myrtle Beach - 1-1, 4.88 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 5.8 K/BB, 8.6 K/9, 1.5 BB/9 - Oberholtzer is slowly getting the hang of High A and he's done it by keeping his walks to a minimum. The lefty has been good at getting hitters to strike out as well, and there's plenty of indication that he'll get better as the year progresses.
15. Jose Ortegano, LHP, Gwinnett - 0-4, 10.13 ERA, 1.83 WHIP, 3.4 K/BB, 10.1 K/9, 3.0 BB/9 - Ortegano has gotten progressively worse as the season's gone on and you have to wonder if he ever actually recovered from teh seemingly minor injury that forced him to start the season a little late. He's still striking out a ton of batters, but he's allowing 11.6 hits per 9 innings on the year, and incredibly high number.
16. Zeke Spruill, LHP, GCL, Myrtle Beach -1-1, 2.79 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 4.3 K/BB, 6.1 K/9, 1.4 BB/9 - After finishing rehabbing from a broken hand with a final tuneup for the GCL Braves on July 1st, Spruill put up a 2.60 ERA and a 1.04 WHIP in 17.1 innings for the Pelicans. This was a strong comeback for a player who needed it.
17. Kyle Rose, OF, Rome - 2-3, 2B, BB - Rose spent the majority of the month on the DL, starting on it, coming off and playing a pair of games, then going back on it. It's a shame because after a rough May, with a .200 average and .506 OPS, he had rebounded well in June, with a .271 average and a .623 OPS.
18. Carlos Perez, LHP, Danville, Rome - 2-1, 1.88 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 2.5 K/BB, 7.5 K/9, 3 BB/9 - Perez didn't have much luck in his lone start for Rome, allowing 2 earned runs in just 2 innings, but his dominance for Danville, a 1.23 ERA and a 0.86 WHIP in 22 innings, made the month look outstanding. The 18 year old lefty is making a name for himself this year.
19. Joe Leonard, 3B, Danville, Rome - .260 AVG, .745 OPS, 5 2B, 2 3B, 3 HR, 14 RBI - Leonard got his career off to a solid start by putting up a .278 average and .750 OPS in 10 games for Danville and followed it up with a .250 average and .741 OPS in 15 games for Rome. His OBP was a bit low, at .297, but overall it was a good first month.
20. Andy Otero, LHP, GCL - Otero has yet to appear in a game this season.
21. Cory Harrilchak, OF, Myrtle Beach - .324 AVG, .901 OPS, 11 2B, 3 3B, 1 HR, 14 RBI, 14 BB, 3 SB - Harrilchack really caught fire in July, putting up one of the best months of his short career. He's a toolsy player, who excells in a lot of areas but dominates in none, and that's exactly the stat line he put up for the month.
22. Caleb Brewer, RHP, Rome - 1-2, 8.05 ERA, 2.21 WHIP, 0.9 K/BB, 6.6 K/9, 7.1 BB/9 - Brewer dominated in June but was just awful in July, allowing a ton of hits, 12.8 per 9 innings for the month, and walking more than he struck out, 15 to 14.
23. Cody Johnson, OF, GCL, Mississippi - 5-27, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 13 K - Johnson sevely injured his hamstring in early June and has hardly played since, with just 78 at bats in June and July. He spent a week rehabbing with the GCL team in July, hitting .250 with a .868 OPS in 20 at bats, but did little after returning to Mississippi, going hitless in 7 July at bats, striking out in 5 of them.
24. Brett DeVall, LHP, Rome - 2-2, 3.81 ERA, 1.45 WHIP, 3.7 K/BB, 7 K/9, 1.9 BB/9 - You wouldn't expect a player returning from off season surgery to be so consistent, but DeVall has put up very similar stats each month. The only real knock on his numbers is that he's given up a ton of hits, 11.1 per 9 in July, 10.6 per 9 on the season, but he hasn't walked many, 1.9 per 9 in July, 2.2 for the season, so all that really says it that's he's got good control and pitches around the plate.
25. Paul Clemens, RHP, Myrtle Beach - 0-1, 2.20 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, 2 K/BB, 6.6 K/9, 3.3 BB/9 - Clemens put up another solid month with Myrtle Beach, with a solid ERA, but he allowed too many hits, giving up 12.1 per 9 innings. This hasn't been a problem for him most of the year, so hopefully he can fix it in August.
26. Todd Cunningham, OF, Rome - .284 AVG, .770 OPS, 4 2B, 2 3B, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 4 SB - Cunningham got off to a slow start in June but he came on fine in July, ending his first full month in professional baseball with a solid month. He's shown himself as an all-around hitter capable of hitting near the top of Rome's lineup.
27. Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg, 1B, Rome - .282 AVG, .674 OPS, . 5 2B, 1 HR, 10 RBI - RSF returned from his broken hand with a thunderous final week of June, but traled off a lot in July, as his power seems to have left him completely, which isn't that surprising given the injury.
28. Mike Dunn, LHP, Gwinnett -1 SV, 4.15 ERA, 1.84 WHIP, 0.7 K/BB, 8.3 K/9, 12.5 BB/9 - Dunn pitched just 4.1 innings over 5 appearances for Gwinnett, including his July 6th appearance which was probably his worst of the year, allowing 2 earned runs in just 0.1 innings. He also pitched in 6 games for Atlanta, tossing 4.1 scoreless innings while allowing just 3 hits, walking 7 and striking out 5.
29. Cory Gearrin, RHP, Gwinnett -1-1, 4.70 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 2.3 K/BB, 5.3 K/9, 2.3 BB/9 - Gearrin has been an every other month pitcher, with a very good April and June, and a so-so May and July. He struck out fewer batters than he had in any other month, but he also walked fewer. The main thing that hurt him was he allowed 3 homers, as many as he had given up in the season's first 3 months.
30. Robby Hefflinger, 1B-OF, Rome - 2-16, K - Hefflinger played in just 4 games at the very beginning of the month before landing on the DL. It's been a rough year for the big outfielder, who's learning how to play first base, as he missed most of April recovering from the effects of mononucleosis. He's lplayed just 57 games all year.
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Teheran next year?
do you think we will see Teheran in the 2011 season?
I think we might see Freeman this year, and I think Minor will be vying for a spot in the rotation with Kris Medlen in 2011. It is possible also that we dump either JJ (who might become too expensive) or Lowe if we can find a taker.
I think Minor would be ideal for that 5th starter slot...
of course, with Hudson and Hanson as sure 1-2, that means some clearing must be done from KK, Lowe, Medlen, and JJ. Meds can slot back in the bullpen, but he’s done well enough as a starter to keep his job. I’m sure we’d love to find a taker of Lowe or KK if possible, regardless of Minor and the rest. Then there’s JJ who’s piched like a front line guy since coming back from injury. He’s not someone you want to move, but between the rest of the starters he certainly seems most likely to be wanted (a situation similar to Vazquez last year imo).
Man if we could swap Lowe for Minor, I'd be a happy camper
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Promote him.
Seems to me Freeman and a platoon partner like Timmons or Canizares would be out-producing Glaus right now. Freeman’s not ready to for big league lefties all the time, but Glaus needs to go on the DL and get his legs right. That’s the downside to having someone signed to an incentive deal; it’s incentive for him to play hurt. We’ve got guys at AAA who’re ready to face big league pitching and can play first base though.
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you don't platoon Freddie Freeman
that almost like saying have an OF platoob with JHEY
Jason Heyward...great guy
I’m just talking about winning ballgames. I don’t think hiding him from lefties some if we brought him up this year would be damaging to his development. We’re in a position to make the post-season, Gwinnett isn’t. I just think Glaus needs 15 days on the DL, and we have the right pieces around to give him that.
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possibly during the year after June...
but not likely, and definitely not to start the year.
And cb, is this the top 30 you guys had or combined with the site’s responses too? I never saw anything on the top 30 after the top 10 of you, gondee, yonda, but then that’s just hand in hand with the extreme laziness around here.
Any chance we see Freeman this year?
Jason Heyward is so good, he makes David Wright piss in Ryan Howard’s pants
by heap16 on Aug 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We might see him in September
I’d rather see him get some time at first base. Better than Glaus or Hinske, and it would give them some rest too
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by TurnerTheBurner on Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully before then, so he’s postseason eligible if he tears it up. I’d bring him like AUgust 25th or so, send Kawakami to the minors for 10 days or a phantom DL if you have to.
I’m pretty sure that i’ve seen mentioned that there’s something in Kawakami’s contract that he can’t get optioned to the minors without his consent. That’s probably why he’s been rotting away in the bullpen unused. I think a phantom DL attempt would be the only way.
by michaelcooksey on Aug 4, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
figures
I literally have not seen him make one appearance since he was taken out in favor of K-Med. I hope Minor gets a September call-up as well, since I have absolutely no faith in Kyle Farnsworth
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by TurnerTheBurner on Aug 4, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as a player is in your organization before September 1st he can replace any player on the DL on the post season roster. So as long as the Braves have somebody on the DL going into the playoffs a guy like Freeman, who might not have been in the Majors before September 1st, could end up on the playoff roster.
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From Bill Shanks, Milligan is definitely out...
Outfielder Adam Milligan had rotator cuff surgery on his left shoulder on June 29. He’ll be out the remainder of the season
great job, as usual, cb.
and I hate to nit … but you have an obvious error re Freddie. if June was a .944 OPS, and July was a .923 OPS, June and July combined can’t be a .881 OPS.
Hmm. I will look at this. I was doing the numbers by hand so it’s easy to make a mistake.
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Yeah, .928 makes more sense.
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I think at this point in the year it wouldn’t hurt his development at all. He’s on a roll and looks ready to go up. We already know he can make adjustments. That being said, it’s a hard sell to the guys that run the Major League team to replace a 12+ year vet with a 20 year old rookie in the middle of a playoff run, especially when the vet has no obvious injury.
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Disagree on "no obvious injury"...
watch him move round and it’s obvious his legs aren’t right. And you sell it on, “Do you want to watch him continue to struggle, or do you want him to spend two weeks to get back right and give you a month and a half of excellence?”
Hey, I’m all for it. I’m completely on the side of DL Glaus and call up Freeman. I’m just saying, the likelihood of it happening, giving how things are done in the Majors, is slim to none.
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Been looking for this list
Had hoped Beachy would make it on the list. I see his omission as a huge fail on our part. 24 years old yesterday, keeps advancing thru the system, keeps putting up impressive numbers. We keep voting in Cody Johnson, great power potential and literally nothing else. Epic fail in my eyes.
Heyward is pretty good
I expected
to see Beachy and Ramirez on the list.
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29 out of 30 is pretty good
I don’t know much about Ramirez, what I’ve read sounds mighty good though. Beachy strikes me as the real thing.
Heyward is pretty good
I'd have just liked to have seen Brandon Beachy included in this in some way...
His meteoric rise over this year has been one of the most important developments. He’s easily top 15 for me today, and my #2 relief prospect following Kimbrel.
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by MBL1 on Aug 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks, CB. How big is Lipka? Just curious…
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now here's a question...
who is gonna be the future SS Salcedo or Lipka and who will be the future 3B Lipka or Salcedo?
Jason Heyward...great guy
I’ll say Lipka at 2B and Salcedo in 3B, but the CF thing could happen too. I also don’t think it’s crazy to think Salcedo could end up at 1B if he keeps growing.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Aug 4, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
1B would be a waste of his athleticism. At worst he ends up in the OF.
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I guess. I still think there’s a chance though if he gets a lot bigger.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Aug 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If he decides to eat the world sure, but he’s not that big. He’s a tall, strong kid, but he’s not that thick and while I see him packing on muscle I don’t see him beefing up enough, at least into his 20s, to make him immobile.
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This
It’s too early to annoint GCL or SAL guys as future conerstones. That having been said, I love Lipka’s BB/K ratio. That bodes pretty well for his future.
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I really like Hoover. With so much good pitching in the minors, I wonder how many of these guys will pan out. Or if the Braves have a better success rate of churning out pitchers compared to other organizations.
I have to wonder how other organizations view our farm system. Like, are we overrated? They have to know they can’t get Teheran or Viz, but what about a guy like Hoover, Beachy, R Delgado, Minor, Spruill, DeVall, Lopez, etc. You’d think the Braves would try and move some of that talent for a position player.
Just makes you really appreciate all the work that the Braves scouting dept put into drafting talented young arms. Who would have thought Minor would be this good? I didn’t, just thought he was another soft tossing lefty that churned out Chen, Reyes, etc.
If you love pitching (and I do), this is a great team to root for.
i think most likely to get traded out of the top pitching prospects are Delgado, DeVall,Lopez, hoover
I’d like to see them hold onto Vizzy,Minor,Spruill,Beachy,Teheran,Hoover and Perez
by PhuckthePhillies on Aug 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Braves can get some pretty good players w Delgado, Lopez,Devall. Hoover could be traded too but I really like him.
The Braves are dumb if they trade Minor/Teheran IMO
by PhuckthePhillies on Aug 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Gosselin
You think he’ll make the next prospects list? He’s been raking in Rome.
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Awesome work. I can only imagine the time it takes.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
Especially since I don’t know of a place that has the monthly WHIP, K/BB, K/9, and K/BB so I have to figure them out by hand. And if a guy gets called up it’s hard to find his starts for the lower level team for the month without checking the boxscores. Too many promotions this month…
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For real. There really should be a way to check those stats in a certain month. You’d think that FanGraphs or B-R would have it.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Aug 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ve got the Major Leaguers covered. It’s a ton of information when you consider just how many guys there are playing Minor League baseball. Hard to knock great sites for the stuff they don’t have.
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if you aren’t sold on the stats in that fashion: Firstinning.com
uses percentages that really help. and you can sort the months per level too.
Oh, and I've been thinking about this for a few days now. I've come to a conclusion:
FREE FREDDIE FREEMAN.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
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Wheres Willie? Are You serious ?
I can’t believe Willie is not an option here. I see names that are unproven and too green to even name as a prospect. Some of the averages are much lower than Willies even at lower levels?? so I did some digging again at Wiles career and it seems its deserves a prospect consideration. In 2006 at danville 308avg, 344obp,477slg,805ops. In 2008 he was at 289avg, 16hrs, 345obp, 473slg,818ops. In 2009 275avg,8hrs,402slg,735ops, and so far this year 325avg,387obp,477slg,864ops.
So again why isn’t Willie a contender at this point? I see players in your list that strikes more times than a team combined. So what qualifies for a prospect?? Not the performance but the signing bonus?? How much is invested in a player? Now i sound like Ozzie Guien
It’s a prospect list. There are reasons why Willie isn’t considered much of a prospect. He doesn’t have any above average tools. He does everything well but nothing great. He plays solid defense, but he’s not quick enough for CF and his arm isn’t good enough for RF, limiting him to LF, where his average bat wouldn’t be very special in the Majors. His 13 SB this year are more than double his career high, so it’s probably more of an aberration than a sign that he’s suddenly gotten faster. He topped out at 16 homers in A ball but in the last 2 years has combined to hit 13. That kind of pop won’t cut it in the Majors. The double total this year is great, 33 is already a career high for him, but given his skill set there’s no reason to believe that those doubles will translate into homers in the Majors. He hit .325 with a .864 OPS in AA this year, but he was also repeating the level at 23, an age when a player really needs to be performing in AAA to be considered a prospect.
He’s having a great season, and he’s definitely a guy to root for, but there are plenty of reasons why he doesn’t get much consideration as a prospect. If all you focus on is production then sure, he’s worth mentioning, but by that token he wasn’t a prospect last year when he was a year younger at the same level, and that line of reasoning just doesn’t make sense.
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I agree in some regard, hes speed is average and he has topped at 16HRs. But after seeing him play for sometime now i can make an argument that his arm is above average and his bat is as decent if not better than some you mentioned. His bat is compared to some of the AAA players in the farm. Hes more of a brett buttler, wade boggs, giles, M. prado etc.. hes not much of a power hitter but he can rack up hits and dbls. Unless we can bring all the OF to a park and have tgem line up and see who throws faster and longest theres no way to rate a player by his arm unless hes a pitcher. And even then how often does a great arm compared to an average arm make a diference in a game. Rarely ever. So rating a position player by arm strength is relative to opinions on how baseball is played. Now guys like Heyward are 1/100 and they deserve a spot. But still its unfair not to look at average,dbls,and strikeout percentages. Isnt baseball a stats game anyway, so Willies stats tells me he deserves a spot in the prospect list even if its low. Other than that your players on that list are unproven and have lower numbers than Willie.
by bravesforlife on Aug 4, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not just my list. It’s a compilation. If you don’t like it you had a chance to put your input on it. Sorry if you missed it.
The numbers are all looked at within their context. A player being younger and less proven actually works in his favor as far as being rated higher as a prospect. Other guys who are younger have years to work up to Willie’s level, and the likelihood is that by the time they’re his age they’ll be playing at higher levels. Take a guy like Bethancourt; he’s 18 playing in Low A. Even if he repeats it next year, he’s 19 playing in Low A. Then 20 playing in High A, then 21 playing in AA. That’s 2, almost 3, years younger than Willie is today. If he puts up the same stats Willie put up last year that’s more impressive because he’s younger. Also, he has at least one plus tool, defense. There are plenty of examples like this to explain why young and unproven is actually a boon for a player’s prospect ranking. If you want to talk about organizational player of the year, then yeah, Willie is in the conversation. (He won’t win because Freddie Freeman is years younger playing better at a higher level.)
And I’ve seen Willie play plenty, his arm is average. You can absolutely judge outfielder’s arms, It’s really fairly easy.
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Also, it’s worth pointing out that none of the guys you compared him to are outfielders. Boggs and Butler were third basemen and Giles and Prado were/are second baseman. There’s a very different expectation of the skill set out of an infielder than an outfielder. If Willie played second base this would be an entirely different conversation.
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Here's a question for ya
Freddie Freeman, Troy Glaus, Eric Hinske
You’ve got play one, platoon one, dl one, who goes where?
The list was made prior to the AS break, so he’d only been a pro for a week. And being a 5th round pick doesn’t automatically put you on the prospect list. And being a 21 year old in Low A, even if it’s his first pro experience, isn’t that stunning either.
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Good work CB
"During Alex Gonzalez’s 2007 season , Johan, his newborn son, lapsed into a coma. The little boy is still mostly unresponsive", so sad :(
Thank you. And thanks to everyone else who posted something along these lines.
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I didn’t say thank you earlier and certainly should have. Great info, thank you for compiling it, I can’t imagine how long it takes to put all this together.
Heyward is pretty good
I would have read this but I was yawning.
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Brandon Beachy
How can he not be on the top 30 list? Once again, these lists have no value.If a guy like Beachy is shooting through the minor leagues, then that should clue the makers of this list into the fact that the front office think he is legit. Otherwise, he would get dumped like Resop, Reynoso, Huber, etc. Right now, Beachy looks like a top 10 prospect.
An even bigger mistake on this list is the inclusion of the free swinging Cody “I couldn’t hit water if I fell out of a boat” Johnson. He has no future at a higher level of baseball.
Thanks for your opinion. If you actually stick around the blog for a while then in the offseason you’ll have a chance to give your input on the community prospect list and can tell us all exactly where everyone should go.
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I made the same points about Beachy and Johnson
I hope I didn’t sound like this post
Heyward is pretty good
you do realize this is just a recap of our PRE-Season top 30 list and not where we think the guys should be currently right? If you go back a couple of weeks you can see that list. Thanks.
Well played. I especially like the “thanks” on the end. With all due respect, it sorta reminds me of this…
Ricky: With all due respect, Mr. Dennit, I had no idea you’d gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed.
Mr. Dennit: What did you just say to me?
Ricky: What? I said it with all due respect!
Mr. Dennit: Just because you say that doesn’t mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me!
Ricky: It sure as hell does!
Mr. Dennit: No, it doesn’t—
Ricky: It’s in the Geneva Conventions, look it up!
That’s just a great movie.
If I recall, Beachy was not on that list and was said to continue to perform at a high level, then he would make it. Maybe I misread? Where do you think he belongs on the prospect list?
by Braves12 on Aug 4, 2010 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the reason people rank prospects is so that we can try a judge a player or prospect’s worth or upside. The problem is a guy like Cabrera doesn’t have that much upside BUT he’s much more likely to eventually make the majors and prove to be somehwhat useful than a whole lot of others on this list (like Johnson and Hefflinger to name a couple). You kind of know what you are getting with WIllie and it may not be as exciting as a guy like Johnson who “could” hit 35-40 homers a year. I think scouts refer to it as “floor” and “ceiling”. Cabrera has a relatively high “floor” but a pretty modest “ceiling”. When people make such lists they seem to look at “ceilings” and pay little attention to “floors”.
He’s an undrafted free agent who pitched decently in his first year and a half, but he was old for the leagues. So there’s no reason to label him a prospect before this year. Heck, before the year nobody had heard of him (except the people who hear about everybody). This year he starts out in AA, in the bullpen, and he’s still a little too old for the league. Again, not a prospect.
Then he comes out and throws fantastically and you have to wonder, is he getting lucky? Is he really this good? I saw him make his first start and he was great, throwing in the mid-90s and using his breaking pitches in the right situations. He looked great, but does this success make him a prospect? I don’t know. I have a hard time taking a guy who nobody, even within the game, knew about a couple years ago when the draft rolled around, or even at the start of this year, and anointing him a big time prospect. Is that unfair? Probably. But if he can continue his success in August at AAA, then he definitely deserves to be somewhere in the 15-25 range.
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That's Fair
I see where you are coming from. That is the great thing about baseball…nobody’s become legends, and somebody’s fail. It is a humbling game, as much about life as any game played. College coaches miss. Pro Scouts miss. Fans miss. Occassionally, a guy like Beachy comes into his own and becomes somebody. Hopefully he can keep up his rocket-rise. I could see him being a 10 year MLBer.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, the Braves front office will let us know what kind of prospects these kids are. Someday, they will decide on the fate of Minor, Tehran, Delgado, Beachy, Cabrerra, Johnson, Freeman, and others.
The good news is, our pitching is the best in the MILB, and we have some young hitters coming, too. But to expound on the pitching, look at our strikeout numbers in Rome, Myrtle Beach, Mississippi, and Gwinnett…we are close to leading the league everywhere, which means we have power arms with good out pitches.

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