Braves Defeat Nationals 3-2 Behind Heyward's Heroics
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 10:06 PM EDT
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PrintOn a pretty frustrating night, the Braves continued to find ways to win. It was Jason Heyward's time to shine on Wednesday, and it was a fitting conclusion to pretty exciting day and night in Braves Country. Locked up in a 2-2 tie in the 9th, Jason Heyward came up to the plate with two runners on and two outs. After working the count to 3-0, The Jay Hey Kid had the green light. Tyler Clippard threw a hard fastball on the outer part of the plate, and Heyward didn't miss it. He ripped a line-drive single just out of the reach of shortstop Ian Desmond and Rick Ankiel came around to score easily from 2nd.
Tim Hudson wasn't great on Wednesday, but did the job, and forced the Nats to ground into a ridiculous 4 double plays. He was leaving a few of his pitches up early in the game and Washington cashed in, but Huddy settled in as the game progressed.
The Nats scored the first two runs of the game for the 2nd night in a row with back-to-back RBI-singles in the top of the 3rd. Roger Bernadina hit a grounder to right field and Heyward wasn't able to throw the runner out at home. Ryan Zimmerman followed with a line drive shot into left field to score Willie Harris from 3rd. Fortunately for the Braves, Hudson settled down and got out of the inning.
The Braves could've had a much bigger 4th inning as the Braves loaded the bases with no outs, but Melky Cabrera slowed everything down with a 4-6-3 double play that scored a runner from 3rd. Alex Gonzalez followed and appeared to hit a pop fly to right, but neither Morse nor Adam Kennedy could make the play. The Braves and Nats were tied after 4 innings of play.
Not much went on in the middle innings. Hudson and Hernandez both settled down, and the Braves' bullpen continued their dominance. Once Hudson departed after the 7th inning, both Jonny Venters and Billy Wagner worked quick, scoreless innings to preserve the tie heading into the 9th inning.
You probably know how it goes from there. Gonzalez led off the 9th with a strikeout, and Ankiel fists a ball into right field for a single. David Ross walks to move Ankiel into scoring position. After an ugly strikeout by Omar Infante, Jason Heyward comes to the plate and provides yet another walk-off and home victory for the Bravos.
Tomorrow's game is an early one -- a 1:05 start -- so be sure to take an extra, extra long lunch hour tomorrow. It'll be Derek Lowe against John Lannon as the Braves go for the sweep and try to finish off their 7-game home stand with a 6-1 record.
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Just a pet peeve.
“Normal, dominate selves”
fixed it
just trying to write it quickly. have stuff to do tonight.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
You have a life outside of this?? Whats wrong with you?!?!
by BravesDawg16 on Aug 19, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Viva los Bravos
I don’t believe I’ve ever seen the Astros manager ever look this excited. The only reason he wasn’t cropped out.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
the Read Deal, tho
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and……the best avatar….ever??? I think so.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Jack-move, fool!
What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw
Wow...
I am late to this party! Almost 300 comments already, but I logged in just to see this!
Once I upgrade my dinosaur of a computer, I may join in on the OGTs…
Get your brooms out Bravos!
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
what kind of cookies is he talkin about?
chocolate chips don’t do that to people
by SouthernPanther on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Chappelle’d
I don't know shit about baseball.
by oVecKid on Aug 18, 2010 10:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cookie Monster and the Count were always my favs.
One.
One cookie.
Two.
Two cookies.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
La la la la, la la la la, elmo’s world
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jason had struggled throughout the game
but doesn’t let it bother him and wins it for us, hopefully this gets him very hot again and we can get the sweep and then go into Chixago with our new 1B and win at least 2/3
Jason Heyward...great guy
we should sweep chicago
i’d say they are a worse team than the nationals…and they just traded away their team leader…
by SouthernPanther on Aug 18, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason looked so much better that last at bat. Obviously because he got the game
winning hit, but it was nice to see him hit it up the middle instead of trying to pull everything.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/ventejo01.shtml
I’m looking at RotY number right there.
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
If Venters doesn’t get it, it would be the equivalent of Depp losing the Oscar for Pirates 1. …….Sean Penn. (facepalm)
He should be ROTY.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jamie Garcia, Stephen Strasburg, Johnny Axford, Jason Heyward, Buster Posey, Mike Stanton, and Tyler Colvin disagree.
Posey or Garcia… none of the others… and no I didn’t skip over a certain Brave, I’m just being honest.
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
i agree
unless he his September is Glaus’ May he wont win ROY.
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
True
I think its either Posey or Garcia as well. Although Garcia has struggled a bit lately.
While Venters has been amazing, has a reliever ever been chosen for RoY before?
YES
1952: Joe Black (2.15 ERA, 15 wins, 15 saves)
1976: Butch Metzger (2.92 ERA, 11 wins, 16 saves)
1980: Steve Howe (2.66 ERA, 17 saves)
1986: Todd Worrell (2.08 ERA, 36 saves)
1989: Gregg Olson (1.69 ERA, 27 saves)
1999: Scott Williamson (2.41 ERA, 12 wins, 19 saves)
2000: Kazuhiro Sasaki (3.16 ERA, 37 saves)
2005: Huston Street (1.72 ERA, 23 saves)
2009: Andrew Bailey (1.84 ERA, 26 saves)
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Aug 18, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
All closers look like?
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
Should
Have phrased that differently. I don’t know about all the older guys, but Bailey, Street, and Sasaki were all closers. Looks like the rest were too.
So, to rephrase: have any setup/late inning relievers ever been chosen for RoY before?
Olsen was a closer for the Orioles. Ditto Worrell for the…Cards, was it?
Too lazy to do the 20 seconds of research thing. Y’all correct me at your leisure.
What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw
american league, they’re talking about the NL
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed on venters, but not on movies
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"
by Bravely going forward on Aug 18, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I. Want. Phillie.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
to lose
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to bury the hatchet, personally, those last 6 games. I’m talking about scalping a motherfucker. If they want to hang with us up until then, fine; that much sweeter. Without Chipper, for the hat trick.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I've been rec happy tonight
or maybe just happy tonight…
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yahoo blog
“The second part of the Braves’ diabolical plan is to rest Glaus, then work him out at third base in the minors for a time so he could take Chipper Jones’(notes) place down the stretch. Glaus most recently played third base with frequency with the Cardinals in 2008.”
As several people have mentioned
Glaus working out at 3rd in the minors was actually a request by him. He wants to prove to Wren and the Braves (after a week of rest) that he can still cover 3rd base.
While Glaus hasn’t performed lately, he’s been class the whole time, and deserves our respect.
Hopefully when his career is done, he can get a coaching job here or something, or maybe manage in the minors.
.
Agreed
He has been pretty awesome about handling everything.
Still, there isn’t any future with the Braves. He and his agent know that. Freddy Freeman is the future, and if the Braves will not bring Glaus back to ride the pine. I’m assuming someone like Hinske (or a similar type player) will come back next year to be a reliable backup/sub for 1B.
that is great news
I hope he can succeed because if he can play average or even below average defense and his bat continues to heat up…..
This was the second time in a week that I absolutely called the game-winning hit to the exact pitch. Just uncanny.
good time right now for the Kid to win us another game.
by fandave on Aug 18, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions
CALLED IT
by fandave on Aug 18, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions
Here is the other one.
Calling it:
BrooksBomb!
by fandave on Aug 13, 2010 6:32 PM PDT reply actions
oracle
by ByrneSupremacy on Aug 13, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
DING DING DING
by atl192485 on Aug 13, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT!!!!!
by KINGSLYTUT on Aug 13, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
damn I’m good!
by fandave on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
well said
by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wwwooooooooooooooo
by MBL1 on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good calls, fandave!
Of course, this means expectations are high for you to make the correct call tomorrow. I’ll be watching:)
Weird But True Baseball Injuries.
John Smoltz burned his chest while ironing the shirt he was wearing. lol
Bah.
Predicting a Brooks walkoff is like predicting the rising of the sun.
A sure thing, completely predictable, and very unimpressive.
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Aug 19, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats kinda depressing
Yet also makes me happy cause it means we like to win games late!
/bipolar
by BravesDawg16 on Aug 19, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Hudson
had me worried for a bit but im glad he settled in.
apparently he was in line to become the only pitcher to go 6 starts going at least 6 innings and giving up no more than 1ER until tonight. Can you guys guess who will have a shot at it in a few days???? Thats right Tommy Hanson!!!
Also
i still feel as though we should pursue a 2B/3B as I think Infante will cool off by the end of the month.
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m hoping Troy will be well rested after his trip to the DL and grind it out at third while being productive at the plate. Infante will be fine until we see what Troy comes back and see what he can do
if troy is at 3B
thats a heck of a lineup.
Prado
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Glaus
Ankiel
Gonzalez
Cabrera
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Take out Ankiel
and replace him with anyone (Infante or Hinske/Diaz). And if you must play Ankiel, bat him 8th, for crying out loud.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to say why, but then looked up Ankiel’s stats. I just don’t see Melky anything more than a 4th OF, but he has playing good since the bad April
Melky's doing okay
Which is more than you can sy about some other outfielders we’ve used this year, but I’m not still not terribly excited about his ABs. Even though he’s had some success lately, it still seems like there’s been a lot of bloop hits and groundballs finding holes. He had that one just horrible looking K tonight. Generally, I’d be happier with him out of the line-up, but we’re in a pretty bad position with our CFers right now.
Melky's not great
but Ankiel is awful, IMO. Ankiel just pains me to watch (except when he’s throwing). Melky is at least entertaining.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
this lol
he was playing well though
What can be said about him that hasn't already been said? His every adjustment is a gift, his every at-bat a festival, his every swing a cool dewy breeze tinged with raspberry and incense. The only question is whether he'll win multiple MVPs or merely the Nobel Prize for Looking Like He Has Been There Before.
I miss Otis Nixon.
What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw
I miss skinny Andruw Jones/ fat 51 HR Andruw Jones
by BravesDawg16 on Aug 19, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think
Ankiel is THAT bad. I do believe had we known Melky would be hitting like he has we wouldnt have bothered with that trade. The plus side is we have Farnsworth now and he’s been pretty solid minus that one outing
by drumzalicious on Aug 19, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
I really hope Mclouth can get his act together.
Hinske
hasn’t been doing to well himself.
I’d rather us take a shot at Brad Hawpe for LF than keep throwing Hinske out there.
by drumzalicious on Aug 19, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Hudson wasn’t at his best but still pitched what seven innings? That’s pretty good. Heyward’s walkoff ball was smoked.
If the Braves had lost, he might have lost the beard….
Most of the other Braves have some form of one, so, glad he won (technically he won, come on.) lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddie get a hit tonight?
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
but freddie freeman can get hits on off days!
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sweet
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
C. Johnson is doing well in Myrtle Beach
1-4 2B 2RBI, but 3K
since his demotion he is hitting: 8 games
.310/.412/.586 2HR, 2 2B, 11RBI, 4R, 5BB, 8K.
apparently,
he can’t do that in AA. It’s not like we didn’t try it.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
come on man
He has been injured most of the year. Yea when he was healthy, he didn’t do that well. CJ is 20 in AA. Last time I checked he is in an advanced level for his age, plus he has plenty of time to work on his problems
Not saying he won't learn eventually
but it doesn’t look good at this point. Everyone knows he needs to change his approach, and he’s not doing it. Those kinds of hitters don’t have a good track record at AA, including Cody.
Call me when he strikes out in less than 30% of his ABs.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
I agree, but the kid is young. How do you know he won’t change his approach?
Just because he's been so publicly stubborn
about not changing it. People change, so it’s not impossible in the future. He just doesn’t seem like the type to suddenly see the light.
Maybe once the Royals pick him up, he’ll figure it out.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
I have not seen or read that he has been publicly stubborn but I believe you. Hey three years in AA and one in AAA, he would only be 24/25
He would essentially
be another Howard. However i’d hope we wouldnt give him the same contract
by drumzalicious on Aug 19, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
you wouldn't take that?
Not the contract, but the production? Also, it would be coming from LF
the production yes
the massive contract no.
by drumzalicious on Aug 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He might be changing his approach, somewhat.
I mean, prior to tonight, he hadn’t struck in 3 straight games, and I can’t recall any similar stretches for him. I hope that’s what this demotion was about, making him rework his approach at the plate, maybe his mechanics to take a hole out of his swing. If he had to sacrifice 10% of his power to ensure he makes contact just 5% more often, he’s still got plenty of power to spare, and he turns into a solid hitter.
I’m not hopeful, but I’d like to assume he’s working on it.
Well,
I hope so too. He’s obviously got some massive skills.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
Freddie is going to be the next Heyward for Spring training. All the Chuck Norris, I mean Jason Heyward jokes…
by BravesDawg16 on Aug 19, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think Freeman will be as hyped as Heyward.
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
are you guys ready?
if cox hits heyward and lee back to back 3-4. these two guys not being stereotypical or racist. black guys will mash. this team has been so long filled with finesse skill that white players bring. but im tellling you these guys bring swaggger; we’rea lock for NL pennant.
by MacsGlasses on Aug 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
…………………..what the hell?
lmao
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I really just laughed at that stereotyping you just did
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
what the heck is swagger
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a guy that used to play for the Braves. I miss the Swagger. Swagga!
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
bojoe and bjones!
What can be said about him that hasn't already been said? His every adjustment is a gift, his every at-bat a festival, his every swing a cool dewy breeze tinged with raspberry and incense. The only question is whether he'll win multiple MVPs or merely the Nobel Prize for Looking Like He Has Been There Before.
I think he meant “swagga.”
What is both surprising and delightful is that spectators are allowed, and even expected, to join in the vocal part of the game.... There is no reason why the field should not try to put the batsman off his stroke at the critical moment by neatly timed disparagements of his wife's fidelity and his mother's respectability. ~George Bernard Shaw
Actually...
It’s quantifiable. Check out the new Madden 11 football game. While the game is for another sport that uses a weird, oblong ball, it has included “Swagger” ratings for all of the players…
Thus, y’all should not mock this guy. It is only a matter of time before the Swagga Stats become another sabermetric favorite.
I can just imagine the arguments and debates on this site hinging on “Well, X has more swagger than Y.” “Damn…You’re right, he’s had even more swagger since the All Star break.” “Yep, Y has been in a swagger slump for months.” “I think there’s a pill to increase swagger, but it is banned.” “I win.” “You do.”
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
Phillies fans are idiots
Just for kicks, I checked out what the morons in Philadelphia are saying these days. They are already crowning the Phillies with the division, saying that we are just getting lucky. They are also insinuating that they will sweep all 6 games.
I also love how they think trading for DLee is ‘desperate.’ Uhhh, I guess they forgot that they just traded for Oswalt in order to make a lame attempt to win the division.
I hate that team, and I hate that city even more.
You don’t get in to first place by luck. Sorry, that doesn’t happen.
Cheesesteaks are good though….
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well,
occasionally you do (if your division is really crappy). But you don’t get to 22 games above .500 by luck. And our division isn’t crappy, either.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
three months?
yea it happens sometimes but rarely.
There have been some crappy teams that have won divisions in the last 10 years.
Not often, but it does happen.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
not often
this may sound stupid, but how do you do the blockquote thing? or actually any of that stuff?
For blockquote,
you can hit the little double-quote icon between the title and the body of the post.
Or you can just use the blockquote html tags.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, there’s going to be a double sweep those last 6 games. lol. Those bandwagoning phools are going to get pwned, by us. Can’t wait.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hate Philly fans. But I love cheesesteaks!
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very well put. I completely agree.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why
Is everyone obsessed with going over to Philly sites to see their reaction. And then somehow being shocked when they have pro-Phillies and anti-Braves comments?
WHAT? Phillies fans think they will win the division?! HOW DARE THEY!!!
A. I’m not obsessed
B. Not shocked by their comments, nor their ignorance
C. I just think it’s funny; that’s all
I don’t know. It’s just funny to me, probably because I’m imagining that the bloggers all look like the guy who puked on the cop.
Haha
Not to pick on you, but I’m always amused when people refer to that incident.
Yeah, it was a Philly fan, but I’m sure plenty of that shit (and similar, ridiculous drunken acts) occur in all major league ballparks. Main reason that story got such a huge reaction was 1) Philly stereotype and 2) Deadspin.
…..Aren’t you kind of obsessed with the reactions to reactions, though?
lol. I mean, you could just ignore it.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol. Word.
sorry to interrupt :)p
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to respectfully disagree. These incidents do happen more in Philadelphia. Sometimes stereotypes are there for a reason.
It was also an interesting story because the guy looked like a really ugly fat chick from Philadelphia.
lmao. very true statements.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
…not everyone. I could care less what they’re saying over there, and never go to see.
But they’re totally going down.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I am obsessed
I’m not proud of it, but it is what it is. I try to be non-dogmatic and eschew generalizations, but this is the one aspect of my life where I just can’t do it.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
on the luck note...
pythag improves our record and drops them further back.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you guys think of this lineup with Lee
Prado
Melky LF
Heyward RF
Lee 1B
McCann C
Gonzalez SS
Ankiel CF
Infante 2B
Pitcher
no way Infante should bat 8th….he rakes
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by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
infante hits 2nd with prado leading off
and Lee hitting 3rd and heyward batting 7th and Ankiel 8th
by Jaymin Patel on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he's saying
Prado
Infante
Lee
McCann
Hinske
Gonzalez
Heyward
Ankiel
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
why, exactly? everyone has an off-night.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
im not
speaking just from tonight. I think he will cool off. And I would rather have Melky who’s been hitting great at the top
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante
has been hitting over his head all year.
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s an all-star ya know ;)
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by MBL1 on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“Who is this……Een-Fan-Tay…..you speak of?” -ESPN
lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
as a bench/utility player. not a starting 2B
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell is your damage, anyway?
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
talk about glass half empty.....
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Him or me?
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by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. him.
I just like the reverse pyramid look.
Plus, some of the same few who said this about Prado, are now saying it about Infante.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m kinda floored by the negative Infante reactions and how we still need a 2B/3B.
Are these people even watching the Braves?
How do we know?
He’s never been a starter for the Braves. He did play 140+ games for the Tigers in 2004, but he played a half dozen positions.
Infante (like Prado before him), has never been a full time starter at one specific position.
Maybe, just maybe, if we give him a chance he’ll continue to produce.
no matter where you start you should be able to hit as your position has nothing to do with your plate approach and swing.
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that has been proven false, anecdotelly of course. there have been a couple of guys who have hit better once they have a position set in stone. Unfortunately I can;t think of any examples so I could be wrong.
But it does make more sense when you are playing different positions you are constantly spending more time on your defense than you would if you had one set position. Thus, theoretically as there are only so many hours in a day, such a player would spend slightly less time on his hitting and his swing.
It’s not as simple as you are making it out to be. I would like to finish by saying I don’t think Infante would hit any better as a fulltime player…his number right now are inflated by his BABiP. He is a great utlity guy but probably not a starter bc he can’t sustain this BABiP.
ANd one more thing..for those comparing Prado and Infante, you may well be right to make that comparison. Maybe Infante will be like Prado, but Prado is two years older (although some players mature later so its not that big of a deal). the kicker is with Prado we were debting whether he could maintain his ISO (which was higher than his minor numbers, he can and that wasnt a big concern as he got older and stronger) and more importantly whther his high BABiP was sustainable. Prado’s was around 330 which is high but not outrageous. this year Infante’s is 380…which is absolutely unsustainable (his career is 314). he will regress to the same hitter he has always been, which is one of the best utility guys in baseball, but not a starter.
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Not sure if it was a typo or not...
Infante will be like Prado, but Prado is two years older
Infante is 81, Prado 83, so you got that backwards. Infante is two years older than Prado.
ya it was a typo/math fail…whatever…the point is Infante is older, and I fuckd it up…
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
the main difference between the two
is prado is hitting in line with his BAbip from all his previous seasons whereas infante is not
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
actually
yes i am watching the Braves. However i do not believe Infante can sustain this as his career BAbip is .314 and he is currently sporting a .387 BAbip
in other words he is due for a regression
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Omar's a nice little player
but if anyone expects him to keep hitting .340 the rest of the year, I’ve got a nice piece of land in down town Detroit to sell them.
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by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll hit above .320
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not even
I say he ends at .280/.290 if he stays full-time
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
For argument's sake....
Let’s say he splits and goes .300
That’s still what it takes.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So
He’d have the 2nd highest average on the team rather than the highest.
Remind me what’s wrong with him again?
Omar
doesn’t walk or hit for power, so he has to hit above .300 to be an above average regular.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
30 points above his AVG
so once his AVG regresses, it won’t be that good.
His career OBP is .317 (crappy)
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by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
right now his OBP is like .371 or something like that
by drumzalicious on Aug 19, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
woah
yea that’s not very good. He is a great utility guy, but I’m very skeptical about having him start
exactly!
This isnt the same as Prado. All of Prado’s numbers are currently pretty much in line with his Career numbers except his BAbip is like .10 points higher than his career BAbip.
by drumzalicious on Aug 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
His BB rate is also a bit down this year
It was basically league average last year, at 8.3%. His career mark is at 6%, which isn’t very good, but it’s better than his current 4.9%. Perhaps he’ll regress toward that even as his batting average regresses toward the mean.
ZiPS (Rest of Season) thinks he’ll post a .301/.344/.410 line the rest of the year, which is very good for a starting second baseman. He should end up with a solid line around .315/.350/.400, and nearly enough PAs to qualify for the batting title.
It’s not worth looking at his ZiPS (Update) numbers since they’re not adjusted for the fact that he’s switched from utility player to starter, so they don’t think he’ll get a lot of plate appearances.
You can adjust for playing time
if you want a RoS WAR projection for omar. You just need a defense projection.
Ex: .5 wRAA/89 Pa = 3.4 wRAA/600 PA
Bat: 3.4
Def: 2
Rep: 20
Adj: 2.5
RAR: 27.9
WAR: 2.8/150G
So that would 0.8 WAR for the Rest of Season (43 games).
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Aug 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, not exactly what I was talking about doing
Trying to project what his overall would look like at the end of the year. I can probably work that out as well. If he’s going to go .301/.344/.410 the rest of the year, I just need to give him some number of plate appearances. Conservatively, call it 4.3 over the rest of the year, gives him 185 more plate appearances this year of that slash line.
So he ends up at like .325/.361/.419 for his season slash line, assuming that he hits as ZiPS projects that he will. It’s very solid for a starting second baseman in this this league. His career UZR/150 at second is -1.9, so he’s a little below average (DRS disagrees slightly). I’d say we can be really happy with Infante, regardless.
Ah I see
I got the defense projection from Chone. I think they do a good job.
Note that he scores very well at SS (a tougher position) for his career: +13DRS and 1.2URZ/150. It is a smaller but similar sample size to his 2B experience(660 BIZ at 2B, 483 BIZ at SS).
Also note that the last 3 years are usually more importiant, and he really hasn’t played much at either position.
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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Aug 19, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
which
would bring his OBP and SLG down and he would end up below or right at .700 for an OPS.
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no real reason to think that.
His career AVG is .274. So you expect him to hit nearly 50 points above his career average for the last 6 weeks? It could happen, but it is extremely unlikely.
Recent performance is not a good indicator of future performance, particularly when the sample size is very small.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He's in the zone. Surrounded by friends, good people.
It aint Motown. This gives him the confidence, and the edge.
Watch. That is all.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Is that an ironic argument? Because I sure hope it is.
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by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not always about numbers. People can factor into performance.
Hence, Lee wouldn’t go to the Angels. But wanted to come to Atlanta. There’s something to that. To this team.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee came here for two reasons:
1) we’re in 1st place
2) Bobby Cox
That’s all. Has nothing to do with how nice the rest of the players are.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He mentioned the players, specifically.
I’ll bet that Cubs dugout was a hoot.
jeez
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
he also said
that the Cubs werent as far out of it at the time they asked him about going to the Angels
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
True. Make it 3 reasons
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by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
Well, Big Z seems like a hoot.
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by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
So
Even though he’s been hitting good this year, all of a sudden the last 6 weeks of the season (cause he’s a starter) he’s going to tank and regress to career norms?
Meh. This is depressing, I’m going to bed. I should know better than to come on here excited about the win and then find people still think that Glaus is a more viable option for the Braves than Infante.
I don't think Glaus is better
but Omar does not have the skills of a .340 hitter, and it’s silly to think that he does.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
As a starter infante has a career line of .276/.320/.399 so take that how you will.
and IMO you are out of your mind to think that a healthy Glaus is less valuable than Infante in the lineup everyday.
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Def not a "this" post haha
If you actually look at Infante’s numbers, you will notice he has played pretty well since coming to Atlanta, albeit in Utility roles. and now with Lee, we don’t need Glaus (as long as he produces) to be a starter anymore, although it would be fun. We still have the best bench in the league, and have 2 guys near the top of the order that are very hard to get out.
GSO
He hasn't been a consistent starter
In five years!
So, the Omar Infante on the Detriot Tigers in 2005 is the same Omar Infante on the Atlanta Braves in 2010? There’s no chance at all that he has improved, the players around him have improved, his coaches have improved, etc?
Get out of the dogmatic rut that everyone must play to the level of their career numbers.
i was
taking in everytime he’s started a game. not just in 2005
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
due for a regression
I could easily live the rest of my life without seeing those words together in a baseball context.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What,
you have a problem with logic?
I love Omar, but come on, he’s not some sort of magical hit fairy who can conjure up singles whenever he pleases (much as we kid about “auto-single” and all that).
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I don’t expect him to hit .340 the rest of the year. I expect him to hold the regular job and be a solid contributor.
I’m simply sick to death of smug, nearly dogmatic predictions that people can’t possibly ever keep up their level of success. This isn’t nuclear physics. There is a signifigant human element in the game and that throws off many of these bold predictions. If it didn’t, this would all be a little boring and pointless.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not being smug. These are facts, not opinions. Some levels of performance are unsustainable. The human element is what creates these temporary periods of high performance, but it can’t make them be sustainable. I appreciate the over-performers as much as anyone, but I’m not naive enough to think they’ll continue indefinitely.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things
No, I’m not calling you smug.Those weren’t your words that I quoted.
This is an ongoing phenomenon (I saw it applied a lot to Hudson earlier this season) and I’m sick of it. Dogmatically asserting something is certain isn’t the same thing as saying it’s possible.
Secondly, as I said, I don’t expect him to keep performing at this level, but I think he’ll be quite solid and won’t need to be replaced, which is also something that was asserted above (again, not by you.)
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 19, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If you don't want me to think you called me "smug"
don’t use that word to in replies to my posts in a way that makes it sound like it’s directed at me, okay?
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't quote you originally
“Due for a regression” was the initial tipping point and it’s indicative of the overly assured nature of some sabermetric analysis. I’m very skeptical of that aspect of it. No more, no less.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
What life is like for you as a sports fan. Depressing I guess.
I imagine this kind of scenario often runs through your mind:
WOO! Player X is having a great month! Oh wait, he is hitting wayyyy above his career numbers. Well bah humbug. I guess I’m just going to have to wait for him to regress. Next time he gets a hit I’ll give a polite golf clap for his “human element,” but I know deep down inside that his numbers will go back down.
on the flip side it must be depressing for you when you see a guy underperfoming and those of us who look deeper will release…holy crap he is due from a serious dose of good luck and player Y will be back to his usual mashing ways. (think Glaus in April and those of use who were convinced he would turn it around because his BABiP was unsustainably low)…our lives are no less depressing, just more realistic
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
How so?
This is one of the best seasons I’ve ever enjoyed as a Braves fan. I was born in ‘89, so while I enjoyed and loved the huge success in the 90’s, I didn’t really comprehend or appreciate it.
After missing the playoffs for five years, its absolutely thrilling to see a Braves team that is so strong and holding off the team that has gone to the World Series the last two years. The only real major lows of the season so far were the 9 game losing streak and Chipper’s injury.
But, I go on here night after night, and its constant bitching about one thing or another. Perfect example is this thread. Braves have a nice walkoff win, but the only thing people can talk about is how Infante doesn’t deserve to be a regular starter. Like I said, depressing. The worst ones are you number crunching, stat obssesors. Every little thing must be analyzed, and if someone says something that doesn’t quite equal up, then they are wrong!
Still, its not like anything is going to change. I have a weird feeling that even if Braves win the WS, people will still be complaining about Alex Gonzalez and about how we won’t have Yunel for next year.
my opinion
is that his solid contributions would be better in the 8 hole
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, to use an analogy:
If you win the lottery three times in a year, that doesn’t mean you’re going to keep winning it next year.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It's more like
Omar’s a guy who knows a lot of rock ‘n’ roll history and keeps winning meal coupons and movie tickets from his local radio station when they ask trivia questions..
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
And he just has some magical luck that allows him to always be the nth caller that gets to answer the question, and that the radio station doesn’t ban him from entering their contests after he’s won so many?
Every sustained period of over-performance takes luck, and luck runs out. That’s reality. Sorry if I ruined the surprise for you. Oh, and Santa’s not real, either.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why you've so dramatically elevated the level of personal hostility here
But I know I’m not really enjoying this.
If you’re still working on the premise that I called you smug, please scroll up a bit.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
What exactly
was so hostile about what I said? Because I don’t see any hostility there at all. Certainly none is intended.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not sure if this is correct but....
I heard somewhere that a player is at his peak btw the ages of 28 to 30. I think those times Infante was playing with the Tigers, he was a young guy in his early 20s still trying to figure out the game. Now that he is a 28, he probably has figure out the game better. His numbers have been getting better as the years go on. This all could be just hogwash but that is my educated guess.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes sense to me...
Weird But True Baseball Injuries.
John Smoltz burned his chest while ironing the shirt he was wearing. lol
When the AJC publishes our hardcover World Champions coffee table book
It’s going to be titled Who’s Laughing NOW?!?
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante
has been lucky and thats about it
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Its going to be
Infante
Heyward
Prado
Lee/Hinkse/Glaus
McCann
Gonzalez
Melky/Ankiel CF
Diaz/Melky//Hinske LF
i dont thin
he should be at the top though. Prado is a much better hitter imo
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s a much better hitter than Infante. He however does not possess the power of a #3 hitter though. He would be perfect in the #2 spot but Melky could handle it as well.
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty rollercoaster game
Braves (offense) played awful for the most part. Hudson wasn’t his normal, dominate self but still only allowed two runs. Thanks to some horrible defense on the Nats, and a nice clutch hit by J-Hey, we won the game and saved face. We need to complete the sweep tomorrow and pray that the Giants that have been so good all year actually show up.
In an interesting sidenote, I know several people were talking about Infante’s chances at the batting title. I think someone figured out that he would need to average 5 AB the rest of the year to qualify, and still might miss the required number of appearances.
According to Don Sutton though, if a player does not meet the requirements (502 AB or so), they will take whatever at bats he’s missing, and factor them into the equation as if he had gone hitless in all those at bats. So for example, lets say Infante gets 475 at bats. MLB would then take those last 27 at bats, and count it as 0/27 and factor into his average.
So long story short, even if Infante doesn’t meet the AB minimum, he could still win the batting title. Still a long shot, but did not know about the little loophole. Thank you Don Sutton.
Thanks for that one, Don
Learn somethin’ new every day
Anyone else been stuck watching the Nationals broadcast?
As always, the first night isn’t all that terrible, but the true horror starts setting in on day #2. According to Carpenter, Heyward probably hit through a take sign for that game winner and will likely be disciplined by Bobby.
Oh, and Zimmerman wasn’t mad at the ump when he spiked his helmet and bat, he was mad at himself. It’s like listening to 8 year olds.
That was a too quick ejection, it should have just been a fine, but there’s no need to oversell the case. He was pissed about the second strike and that only multiplied when he struck out, hence the ant killing escapade with the hat ‘n’ bat.
Nice work from Huddy tonight. Keep fighting even w/o particularly good stuff. Positiveily Glavinesque. It’s a mark of true greatness.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
Yeah
I’m in Virginia and have MLB TV, but when Braves play the nats its blacked out. So I opt to mute the TV and turn on the radio and listen to Don Sutton.
Same situation
Except I’m using the Extra Innings package on DirecTV.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuck
My gf’s dad has that on cable – kinda lame. Way more expensive than MLB TV, and rarely has HD feeds. So watching it on a nice TV looks pretty lame. Also, you can’t always choose between home/away announcers.
The only upside to the extra innings is that its on your TV rather than PC, although there are ways to work around that.
You know what’s weird? I have DirecTV Extra Innings, and literally EVERY game has home & away HD feeds, EXCEPT when the Braves are on Peachtree TV. That one is never HD, but I still watch it anyway to hear Smoltzie.
Weird
Maybe DirecTV’s extra innings is different from the cable one.
On cable the home/away feeds are generally reserved for…wait for it…Yankees and Red Sox. HD feeds are also at a premium.
I think it must be. I’ve got it on DirecTV as well, and it has all broadcasts.
by dunnytwogloves on Aug 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you. I’ve noticed that all year long too. It gets irritating having to watch the other teams broadcasts because I want to watch it in HD. We really have the fewest Braves broadcasts in HD of all the teams.
by dunnytwogloves on Aug 19, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I have access to both feeds
For most games. It’s been that way for several years, now.
They used to arbitrarily choose one or the other. I was praying and hoping very, very hard as the minutes wound down before a Braves-Marlins game.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst Homer Announcers
Nats
Marlins
Giants (at least that FP Santangelo jerk)
What? No White Sox?
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Aug 18, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
YEEEESSSSSS! YEEEEEESSSSSSSS! You can put that one on the board!
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
good means that I really don’t pay attention to White Sox games.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my fantasies: Dude getting it from a sniper, right between the eyes, while saying “He Gawn!!”
lmao
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much. lol
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it annoying that if I’m watching a White Sox game, it usually has to be on mute. I fucking loathe that guy, like the Phillies, or something.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe you can watch the White Sox play baseball. That team is so boring to watch.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say that
PUT IN ON THE BOOOOAAARD!!!! YYEEESSSS!!!
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Aug 19, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The saving grace for that call
At least for me, is that I can almost see Stone fidgeting and grimacing in his seat.
And, just for the record, that smug jerk sucks, too, although it’s in a more restrained, snide way.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Kuiper and Krukow
Amuse me.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cohen + Hernandez = suck
Cohen + Darling = surprisingly good. They don’t sugarcoat the Mets’ (many) shortcomings and Darling knows a ton about pitching.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Howie's used to irk me, too.
“It’s a goner!” He always reminded me of Dr. McCoy.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in VA
I watched the Nats Xtra afterwards and Nats manager, Jim Riggleman, when talking about the Zimmerman ejection, called him Adam instead of Ryan 2 times. Rob Drivel and Carpenter didn’t bother to correct him. How can a manager get his 3 and 4 hitters mixed up like that?
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me I should shutup, I'd probably have 5 or 6 bucks.
Another nice win.
We hung in there against Livan, who is somehow getting it done this year, after I (and everyone else) though he was finished. Huddy didn’t have his best command, but he did keep us in the game. And if Chipper hadn’t been in the booth that inning, the final score might’ve been 2-0 and we wouldn’t have needed Heyward’s heroics.
Good to see Jason get that hit. He roped it. He’s been hitting a fair amount of line drives lately but seemingly none of them fell in until that one. Now let’s peel Lanana tomorrow and get the sweep!
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
Livan Hernandez
Was put on this Earth to piss me off.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case,
he’s fulfilled his mission admirably. Is there a way we can get him to return to his home planet?
Actually, he does look kind of like ET, doesn’t he?
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He accomplished the mission
ten times over in October of ’97.
"You must be outta your damn mind!" - Burton Guster
by Sam Jethroe on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s crazy that Livan’s ERA in any other year (3.08) would be great. In the year of the pitcher, it’s just ehhh. There are like 10 guys in the NL with ERA’s less than 3. It’s amazing.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Heyward comes through again with his fifth game-winning hit. While I like walkoff wins, I prefer a comfortable lead once in a while. Derek Lowe goes for the sweep tomorrow. We can only hope the Giants help out.
The weekend series against the Cubs looks like:
Jurrjens / Dempster
Hanson / Gorzelanny
Minor / Wells
and the Cubs have lost 9 of 10 at home, so the Braves might not have a difficult series. The Phillies will play the Nats and no, there will be no Halladay / Strasburg matchup.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
don’t forget that the Cubs bats are weak now that Lee is on another team (I wonder what team is that). I am not sure about Soriano and Aramis (sp?) but I am going to say that they are swinging a cold bat at the moment.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Colvin and Castro were killing it after the ASB, but I’m not sure about now.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Castro is hitting .383 since the ASB and is 15 for 44 (.341) in his last 11 games.
Colvin is hitting .229 since the ASB and is 6 for 32 (.188) in his last 11 games.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Aug 19, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Castro is going to be a freakin stud. Well as long as we keep him cool, I think we should take 2 out of 3. That and a plunking or six to Soriano will make me a happy man.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there a team in baseball that we can not take 2 of 3 from?
I am super confident in this 2010 Bravos. Never had this feeling before. It’s amazing.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 19, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
We can beat anyone
especially at the Ted.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 19, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I was worried about possibly facing the ChiSox since they seemed to man-handle us while we were there, but it seems like we caught them while they were red hot and have since come back down to earth.
Otherwise, no.
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
You must not have been around for '93-'99...
I was always shocked when Atlanta would lose during the Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz years.
What a great time….
With the way the Cubs have been struggling, why not a sweep? Wells is the only one that concerns me, but he’s lost his last four decisions.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Aug 19, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Everytime I see Castro
I sigh and reminecse of the good times with Escobar. And how much better this team would have been if he didn’t have attitude problems and could figure out what was wrong with his swing.
If Jason Heyward were to hit a home run off of you, you would have to fight the urge to thank him.
Everyone plays Mario Kart Wii, if you don't your a member of Al-Qaeda.
by bravesforever16 on Aug 19, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Difference is...
Castro is 20 and Yunel was 24 when he made his debut.
SC is going to be a star for a long time…
until Hak Ju Lee takes his job in 2-3 years (he is supposed to be better but we’ll see)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I'm gonna go out on a limb here...
and say today has the most comments in TC history.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
2,000+ for Lee, 2,000+ for the GT, plus the MLR and the fanposts…I’ll say it’s the biggest. Only day that could compete is the day we traded Esco. Or maybe the night we had 3,000 comments in the OT.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 19, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Dunno. Late last year we were averaging 5,000 in the GT alone. And last year’s trading deadline was epic
Carpe Diaz
5,000?
LOL…try like 500.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Late last year, when we were making a playoff push? Oh. We have differerent meaning of “last year” I think. We had 500 before the games started. Today was definetly top 5 in history though
Carpe Diaz
On August 18th, 2009, we had 809 comments in the GT
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/8/18/994097/open-thread-8-18-braves-at-mets
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
You're wrong man
http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/9/18/1037033/open-thread-phillies-at-braves
September 18th’s had 660 or so. And the others did too. THe most comments we’ve ever had was 3,100 or so and that was earlier this year.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to agree with you. Too many things went down today that spark comments compared to other days throughout the year. Plus there is a fair amount of bandwagon fans joining the site while the team is hot. Just saying.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 19, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
gondeee tweeted earlier in the day that were on course to break the record.
I haven’t heard if we did or not, but if we didn’t we had to be close.
Weird But True Baseball Injuries.
John Smoltz burned his chest while ironing the shirt he was wearing. lol
I've said it before but I'll say it again
This place is going to blow up when the playoffs roll around. I can’t wait!!!
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by BravesDawg16 on Aug 19, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
we have the best bench in baseball.
Almost as good as your claim that Melky should play #2 and Infante the #8
GSO
first off
i was being sarcastic.
and 2nd. Infante should not be starting everyday or hitting lead off
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this vibe that I have had since yesterday…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 19, 2010 4:25 AM EDT reply actions
You just waking up sunshine?
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 19, 2010 4:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup. I got a solid 6.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 19, 2010 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Braves winning is like
A fat man getting his first twinkie of the day…ohhh so good!!
Bradley Wade Hinton
Im fat
but I hate twinkies….so the correlation is a bad one…..for me anyway
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Time for me to add...
Something that completely has been said before on this very page…
1. Great win for the Braves – I never thought for a moment we would lose this game. We are so good late that it’s to be expected.
2. Heyward: I loved his last at bat. Great approach, as he didn’t try to hit a walk-off homer…Nice job, J-Hey.
3. Wags: Looked filthy. I like him getting a bit of rest lately.
4. Glaus: The more I think about it, the more I commend his attitude regarding the Lee trade. Way to be a team player, Troy! I can’t think of any former Braves who would balk at going to the minors to work things out…Oh wait.
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
from the way things went down i bet money Wren talked to Glaus before going after Lee. to see if Glaus would go play 3B.
but that pure speculation (100% organic)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
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