Atlanta Braves Acquire Derrek Lee From Chicago Cubs
by gondeee on Aug 18, 2010 5:33 PM EDT
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PrintWe first heard about it this morning just before ten o'clock, and we've been talking about it all day, and now ... it's finally here. The Atlanta Braves have acquired first baseman Derrek Lee from the Chicago Cubs. Lee did not play in this afternoon's Cubs game after receiving treatment for his ailing back. Talking Chop was the first Braves site to post the news of a possible trade this morning, with a follow up post earlier this afternoon. Extensive analysis of Lee replacing Troy Glaus at both of those links.
The Braves will apparently place Glaus on the disabled list and give him time to rest his legs for a week or so. Then he will report to triple-A Gwinnett and get some playing time at third base before returning to Atlanta when rosters expand in September. The third base move may be a bit of a watch and see approach by the Braves, and an opportunity to add more flexibility on the team, but with the way Troy was moving at first base, there's little chance he could be anywhere near average at third.
In return for Lee the Braves will send three pitching prospects to the Cubs, minor league right-handed pitchers Robinson Lopez and Tyrelle Harris, and left-hander Jeffrey Lorick. Of that group Lopez is the real prize, as he is a young and raw international prospect. All three pitchers profile as relievers, with Lopez really being the only one with a shot at being a starter. Tyrelle Harris is a good relief prospect who could move to the Majors quickly.
The Cubs also send the Braves some cash in the deal to cover Lee's salary. That could be one reason why it took three prospects to land him.
Here is a scouting report from Scouting The Sally on Robinson Lopez. He probably just makes the top-10 prospects in the Braves system, at least he did during the mid-season list. He'd probably be a bit lower now.
Derrek Lee will join the Braves on Friday when the team travels to Chicago, and he will wear uniform number 27 -- the same number Fred McGriff wore when he was in Atlanta. If you're in the press box make sure you have a fire extinguisher handy.
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I like it.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
except the prospects...
but then I guess that was the deal, cash for prospects or neither. I guess that also blows a hole in the would have signed Sabol or Alvord but we were wanting to spend elsewhere idea, because we apparently had the cash.
Or maybe we traded the prospects...
Because we had no cash to work with at all.
We still don’t know how much cash we rec’d, could be it won’t be enough to cover the salary.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Lopez possesses a high-ceiling
But projectable 19-year-olds with poor command in Low-A are about 17-cents-a-dozen.
And with the successful transition of Medlen to a starting role (prior to the injury), the emergence of Beachy as a pretty great starting prospect, and the addition of Vizcaino to the system over the 2009-10 off-season, the Braves only put the most minuscule of dents in their organizational depth.
indeed
not to mention we still have plenty of guys that could flourish out of nowhere
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
When does he play?
Thursday or Friday?
Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.
Where did you read that?
by thenightstallion on Aug 18, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DOB tweet
ajcbraves
Lee is expected to join the Braves Friday in Chicago when they open 3-game series vs Cubs. He’ll wear No. 27
He's wearing #27?
We’d better have the fire department standing by at the stadium tonight.
by Bronn on Aug 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
+1
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
my lucky #
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Do will not join the team until Friday
when we are in Chicago.
Weird But True Baseball Injuries.
John Smoltz burned his chest while ironing the shirt he was wearing. lol
1993:
Braves acquire Fred McGriff at deadline; he wears #27. That same day, the stadium press box catches fire.
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
by TonyAlmeyda on Aug 18, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the stadium press box catches fire.
and so did the braves
by atl192485 on Aug 18, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
nope
I don’t even know where we got him from
"It's here, it's here, it's finally here" :Strongbad on football season
san diego i think
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Melvin Nieves, Donnie Moore
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
Actually, I confused Donnie Elliott and Vince Moore. I got Nieves right though without looking. :)
The birth of Jason Heyward was God’s punishment for the sins of the people in New York and Philly.
No way I'd have answered without checking
Guys are so obscure that I’d never remember them. Only Nieves even saw time as a Brave.
I knew Nieves simply because I still have a card with him on it as a Brave.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Melvin Nieves was one, Donnie Moore, and I can't remember the 3rd...
off the top of my head without looking at answers.
Crime. Dog.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
clip
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w=/2007/open/teams07/atl/video/082307_atl_gm_fire_mcgriff_400.wmv&vid=7763&pid=gen_video&cid=mlb&v=2
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
try that again
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Ha. Crime Dog!!!
Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.
Fred McGriff is one of my all-time fav players. I think it’s mostly because I started watching baseball right around the time the Braves’ traded for him and I remember that incident and how the Braves’ caught on fire after it.
That, and his nickname. Crime Dog! And/or Fire Dog!
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
FUCK!!
glad we got lee but im pissed my boy tyrelle got traded….oh well this is probably a much better opportunity for him.
What is the word on Lorick?
Haven’t heard much on him other than he has been a reliever almost his whole career and started a few games recently.
GREAT TRADE
we get Lee for for free for 3 relief prospects, just brilliant, i applaud you Frank Wren.
You're a towel
Lopez has a shot at being a starter.
but with our SP depth, I don’t think we will need him.
Weird But True Baseball Injuries.
John Smoltz burned his chest while ironing the shirt he was wearing. lol
He was wild when I saw him earlier...
and had problems throughout the season. But he had a good looking motion, and you could tell the stuff was obviously there. He’s a loss, and the other two weren’t exactly bad prospects either. But we had depth in pitching, so it’s not like the loss should be too hurtful.
Harris was really intriguing to me…and Lopez has a really hgih ceiling…but a low floor…such is life…every trade we make now I just pray all the prospects fail and the guy we trade for doesn fail…so we don’t have another Teixiera trade discussion on our hands
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I at least understand the Teixiera argument…the Drew Wainright thing is just retarded to me…JD Drew was amazing….and w.o him our division streak would not have made it to 14. sure wainwright was good, and it would be nice to have him, but at the time of the trade it was a no brainer to make that and get drew
the Teixiera trade was at least questionable when it was made, you can make an argument that it was an unnecessary move, because our pitching wasn’t good enough no matter how much offense we had…and you could argue that we shouldn’t have given up two highly touted guys (even if they were in A ball and still teenagers and were all projection).
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I concur...
about the only beef with the Drew deal is the idea that they asked for Horacio Ramirez first, and we said no, take Wainwright. But aside from that mistake, I agree on the summary of that as far as Drew’s worth in his lone Atlanta season.
never heard that, but that sort of stuff happens when prospecting, unfortunately the FO isnt infallible with its projections
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Drew didn't fail in the least.
One of the best players on a team that made it to the playoffs.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 20, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Good looking motion?
He gets great forearm lag, but that’s all genetics. The lower body is just ugly and I honestly don’t think he has a chance at being a starter unless he smooths it out. There’s just no way to get consistent control with that stupid move he does with his front leg.
So I'm not a scout, are you?...
the motion looks solid to me when I saw it earlier this year, but as said above, it’s not like I’m an expert on the subject.
No but I coach youth pitchers
I’ve also done some work with 3D motion capture technology originally built for golf, trying to adapt it so we can use it for pitching.
What about his motion do you like?
from an uneducated eye...
it seemed smooth and easily repeatable without much moving parts. It wasn’t some complex set up like Hideo Nomo or Dontrelle Willis. To me, and again, I’m about as far as it gets from being an expert on the subject, but to me, it was a simple leg lift on the front and he’d sling it. Looked pretty simple and basic from the wind up, but then again, I’ve seen him start once and don’t really know the physiology of this stuff.
by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If the foot is violently changing direction mid-stride
I don’t see it as smooth and easily repeatable. If that movement gets off at all, his control is going to leave him completely. I also believe that is basically compensates for a timing issue in his delivery. If the timing was right on his arm circle he could bring the foot smoothly along the ground.
Also, just from watching his finish, I don’t think he maintains his arm speed at all on his off-speed stuff there is just so much less force after release, which to me is a bad sign. Could be why he struggles starting, because guys pick up on it in the longer stints.
He is also 19
and can refine his motion. I’ve never said he was a Teheran with perfect polish, but the upside, IF he can correct some things, is certainly there so that if he does iron out the kinks he’ll rise fast. Big if, but it’s obviously there.
by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 20, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't refine that motion
It needs a complete rebuild if he wants to be a starter. That’s the problem. If there was something you could build on there, maybe I’d like him a little more, but the foundation itself sucks. They’ll try and him as a starter for a few more years and then he’ll probably end up in the bullpen. Even if you went the complete rebuild route, a pitching motion is something you build over years. Its incredibly tough to completely change, and theres a chance the great velocity he has now would drop off a few ticks in the process.
And some cashhh to lower that price alittle
Ruben Amaro,Jr..Is Frank Wrens Paper Boy..
by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Aug 18, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
One solid prospect...
…two other fringier prospects. If guys aren’t going to crack our top 30, it is hard to call them decent prospects, and I think Lopez is the only one of that group who is really in our top 30.
Good work Gondee
Very strong work today, on my off day its been great to be able to follow the updates on both Twitter and on TalkingChop
I second this
the whole staff has been on top of things the past few days. Not that they aren’t always great, but lately they have been killing it.
I don't
Seriously, I have way too much work to do. Stop distracting me so much!
by danielduello on Aug 18, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thumbs up. Let's do this.
Kind of surprised McLouth was nowhere in the deal.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
Eh...
They were just looking to dump money. No way they were taking back a vet.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I always liked Robinson Lopez
But we have plenty of pitching prospects. Good trade.
Me too, I liked him as a poor man’s Jurrjens..maybe a little better stuff, but less command and mound presence.
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by bwellnjonesco on Aug 18, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How many comments have there been today on this LEE deal?
Just asking.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
lol. go to main page and scroll down? not sure what else you mean.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Answer: alot
I believe he was asking for some summation advice, and I would do that, if I was at work. I’ve been off for an hour though (60 minutes worth of getting too lazy to do anything of that nature).
"Check out this bitchin' homemade tesla coil!"
by bwellnjonesco on Aug 18, 2010 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wren is a genius.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
Put this in the previous thread.. but I'll throw it in here as well.. Everyone post how you want the lineup to look
Infante
Heyward
Prado
McCann
Lee
Gonzo
Cabrerra
Ankiel/Diaz/Hinske
Pitcher
as i did in the other thread...
infante
prado
lee
mac
heyward
hinske
gonzo
cabrera
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not a fan of that batting order.
It makes it too easy on the other teams in late innings because we have three righties at the top, followed by three lefties. If you intermingle the righties and lefties, it makes it more difficult on the bullpen management of the other team.
i agree
which is why i say we go
Prado
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Hinske
Gonzalez
Melky
Infante
although if Glaus comes back and can be serviceable at 3B
Prado
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Glaus
Hinske
Gonzalez
Cabrera
would be much more formidable.
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
…..looks good to me.
Maybe switch Gonzo and Cabrera, but either/or.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante
Melky
Prado
McCann
Lee
Heyward
Gonzo
Ankiel
Against lefties, put Diaz at the 6 and move everyone else down
by danielduello on Aug 18, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
like that one, too
but Melky seems to thrive lower down. he’s good to have down there.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
Swing and a drive...Belted right! Welcome to the Show!!!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine:
Prado
Infante
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Hinske/Diaz
Gonzalez
Melky
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be with this 100%
if you switched gonzalez and melky…but still…lineup looks a lot better
by forgotten_glory on Aug 18, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Derrek Lee at his press conference
Said that Hendry asked him Sunday if he would accept a deal to Atlanta and he told him yes the next morning…..This has been in the works for a couple days.
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Another tribute to the genius of FW.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I really do think he leaked the Aramis Ramirez thing on purpose.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
To who? It wasn’t covered by anyone except here at TC.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Wren said he had asked Chicago about Ramirez? I could’ve sworn Bowman said this happened.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bowman did indeed confirm interest in Ramirez.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and
also said that Ramirez wouldn’t re-structure his contract.
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Which had nothing to with initial interest.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Think you just answered your own question
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
FW taking advantage of the blogosphere?
I just think that if he were trying to stir up some smoke and mirrors rumors, he would have leaked the info to a more mainstream sourse – no offense to you fine folks here at TC, but I think you know what I am saying.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no it was on the braves site
On Conrad’s homer:
"Man, I want to give him a kiss. Tell him I’ll buy him a beer on the next plane flight." - Tim Hudson 8/13/10
You mean the genius of ME...
where are the rest of those jerks who called me out for even mentioning a DL for Glaus and possibly trying 3rd with refreshed legs?
Dude, you did...and they did...and I did (say the same as you)......
wait,…wheres my bus…oh yeah, had to back it up to let Frank Wren out from underneath it again….
but maybe I should not hurry cause, then again, Lee is just here for a cup of coffee (and hopefully a WS ring) and will not be here next season unless he wants to stay another for GA Peanunts?
by bravestatoo on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Harold Reynolds giving massive props to the Braves
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
I loved when he said that
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Heredia
I’ll say it again: If he can take the money coming back and go sign Luis Heredia, Wren deserves a medal.
This deal positions the Braves to bulldoze through the NL and into the WS.
It is absolutely huge.
Go Braves!
well that’s an exaggeration…
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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We know who the serious guy at the party is..jp
Seriously though, DLee has been awesome since the break (.939 OPS), and is playing in meaningful games now. He’s wanted to play for Bobby and went from a miserable situation in Chicago to a great one in Atlanta…he’s pumped..
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by bwellnjonesco on Aug 18, 2010 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why is MVP leading off...
the even bigger problem…
who’s playing 2nd in that lineup? or who’s playing third?
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
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Prado 2nd, Hinske 3rd.
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Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you drunk?
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
They eat money and we don't give up any really special prospects
and he makes his Braves debut against Chicago…awesome!
Jason Heyward...great guy
I mean, Lopez might be a 2/3 starter one day and Harris could be an 8th inning guy at best, but it’s not like we’re exactly looking for pitching right now.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It stinks that we gave up Lopez, actually
For a month and a half of Lee. We had to give them a decent prospect to get them to pick up money, and I just don’t get that-wasn’t there insurance to cover Chipper’s deal?
Ah, you gotta give up a little something to get something. It’s not like we were gonna get a proven bat like Lee for Tits McGee and his brother.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I hear Tits McGee has an awesome slider
and his brother is good in center and can hit for average
If Jason Heyward were to hit a home run off of you, you would have to fight the urge to thank him.
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by bravesforever16 on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard that Tits was “well rounded” and his brother Cans was a “stand out.” :D
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
using that as my sig
thats awesome
"I heard that Tits was "well rounded" and his brother Cans was a "stand out." :D"
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 3:05 PM PDT
by BravesRaleigh on Aug 18, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m honored, but you’re dredging the bottom of the barrel if you’re using one of my comments as your sig in a complimentary fashion. You are, aren’t you? LOL
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's a Ron Zook recruit
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
FTW
you win the internet…congratulations.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Thanks.
Actually a joke with a friend and I in a Big 12 dynasty on NCAA>
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if there was, and I'm not sure that's a great assumption,
There was probably an exclusion about him tearing his ACL again.
Bronn----no way we had insurance for Chipper.
His injury history is too long. Nobody would have insured the contract unless we paid a premium so high the insurance was meaningless.
we had insurance on Mike Hampton….that is all (in fairness we may have had the insurance from before he was injured all the time)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Yeah the insurance on that was from when he initially signed the contract
Before insurance companies realized how dumb it was to insure long term pitching contracts. He’s one the reasons that changed real quick.
Plus
The Braves have Carlos Perez and the IFA they just signed in July. Also they have been scouting phenom Luis Heredia, which is a long shot but we have a shot. I think we’re good with our pitching.
yep
i keep reading pirates are favorites tho..
by forgotten_glory on Aug 18, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pirates have been the favorites on tons of IFA
But haven’t signed many of those big names so there’s still a chance.
He reminds me of Chapman. All hype, and he’s basically played against nothing better than high school seniors.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
But unlike Chapman
This kid is only 16 not 21 and he’d only cost around 2.5 mil minor league contract instead of a 30 mil ML contract lol! I get your point about the hype though but you have to admit he’d be a huge pick up!
Oh i know. He’d be a great addition, but I don’t see it happening.
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by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't believe we'd sign Salcedo either but
We did so there’s always a chance even if it’s a slim one.
and in fairness...
i liked sabol a whole lot, but he hadnt played against anything but high schoolers (i know, he’s not a pitcher…)..
all i’m saying is that shouldnt be a reason to discount him cuz he’s only 16, and we could use the money not spent on sabol…
just my opinion
by forgotten_glory on Aug 18, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
OK WTF
gondeee
Wow! To play third! Wow RT @ZachKleinWSB: Braves GM says Troy Glaus is going on DL and then to Gwinnett to work at 3b http://yfrog.us/nevsez
by the end of a DL stint
the minor league season will be over wont it?
by forgotten_glory on Aug 18, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of him going on the DL
but to play 3rd at Gwinnett, I dont get that
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes perfect sense.
They have him doing that to see if he can play over there without any problems. Then when he gets activated, Prado moves back to 2B, Glaus to 3rd, Lee on 1st and Infante becomes super sub again. That is about as strong of a team as we can possibly have.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it does however save face for glaus
and give him a way back into really helping the team again
DL first...
Then 3B project.
If it goes wrong, Infante can always go back to third. If it goes well, he’ll be in LF or super utility.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
and melk-man will take over CF?
"It's here, it's here, it's finally here" :Strongbad on football season
Hopefully
I generally refuse to talk badly of our players, but I’m not a big fan of Ankiel.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
It saves his knees for 15 days.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
7.
They want him on his assignment by next week.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, only seven days of rest...
..but then again, it isn’t a real DL stint anyway—-if we didn’t trade for Lee, he doesn’t go on the DL. So why not? Makes sense to me.
Not exactly true...
the argument can be made, and Chipper has made it among others, that 1B can be as hard if not harder on the knees than 3B thanks to the footwork around the bag. 3B seems like much more natural motions for the legs.
No, agree...
must have a Mr Miaggi there at Gwin that will slap his hands together and rub…yeah not Karate kid style not powerfull enough…need a holy man, plus a dead chicken…really I think if he like does not walk on them much gets a shot he would be good for a month if he was rotated in a four man group like this;
Glaus starts at 3rd plays through the 7th is PH by Conrad
Next day is available for PH…if he is inserted
Prado starts 3rd the next day
and repeat…..
by bravestatoo on Aug 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah...fourth man?
the next day after not DH he can spell a relief for Lee
Conrad can start..or Prado
by bravestatoo on Aug 18, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know aabout a rotation
but i do agree that he should be replaced in the later innings especially once rosters expand
by drumzalicious on Aug 20, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
even with a DL resting stint
Do you really think Glaus; a guy whose knees are just crying out for a rest, is really going to get them healthy enough to have the mobility to play 3rd in just a few weeks?
It isnt like he is 25 anymore
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I do.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
the great thing is we are debating something,,,,,
that no matter how it shakes out will make this team better
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If he does poorly in Gwinnett...
it’s not like you have to play him there in Atlanta. Why not see how much he can move after a little rest and rehab on those legs. He played more 3B than 1B for the Cardinals just last year, so the shoulder isn’t the problem. It’s his ability to move that is the only question.
WOOT!
Perfect situation.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
Right? It’s not like he needs to go to Gwinnett to practice at first…If it doesn’t work out down there, then he’ll stay as a 1B…I like the idea of this potential lineup:
1. Infante LF
2. Heyward RF
3. Prado 2B
4. Lee 1B
5. McCann C
6. Glaus 3B
7. Gonzo SS (I know…I know)
8. Melky CF
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
I’d switch Melky and Gonzalez, but that lineup is fantastic – assuming a healthy Glaus.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d leave it with Gonzalez at 7, I’m a fan of the OBP guy being the 8 hitter
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by BravesRaleigh on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?...
Gonzo has the XBH to drive in Glaus, McCann, and Lee with their generally strong OBPs, and Melky doesn’t have the power, but he can keep it going in the 8 spot to in the least let the P spot cycle through. Melky’s worked great 8th.
Melky is tied for 3rd on the team in doubles – tied with Chipper.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a sweet fact.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m kinda shocked at how obscure it is.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure…
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
silly casual fan
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Sounds like playing for Bobby
Was one of the big reasons he said yes
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I am going to miss that bit of leverage.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell me aboot it.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
best I can do on short notice
"C'mon Chip!" Bobby Cox
by ByrneSupremacy on Aug 18, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Wren did a great job
using lower level prospects to get an impact player, pretty impressive. Anyone know when Lee will debut?
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Bobby Cox-"Damn right."
by ConradsComrades on Aug 18, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
Holy cow:
Braves GM says Troy Glaus going on DL and then to Gwinnett to work at 3B.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
that's a big blow for Glaussy
"It's here, it's here, it's finally here" :Strongbad on football season
That’s a perfect outcome for him – he gets his needed rest, and has a spot on the starting lineup when he comes back.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So you try and get him back for the playoffs. How soon do you bring him back if:
a) it works out at 3rd?
b) it doesn’t and he’d be a bench player?
Carpe Diaz
I’d bring him back when the rosters go to 40. We will need him before the playoffs.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
a) If it works at 3rd, he can start there and you’ve got a second slugger in the bottom half of the order keeping things alive from the right side with our lefty depth (Heap, Ankiel, Hinske, and a switch hitting Melky and Conrad). And if he does start at 3rd, I’d assume a lot of times we’d see Infante or another pinch run for him or replace him defensively after he steps to the plate any time after the 6th. Infante plays 2nd or 3rd depending on Prado, but it definitely allows him to go back to being the utility IF backup and leave Hernandez off the post season roster knowing he isn’t necessary for a SS off the bench.
b) then he’s a good power pinch hitter, and can also play 2 times per week to stay sharp and let Lee rest his back.
Might as well see just how bad he is
In September, with expanded rosters, maybe you start him get him an AB or two, then pull him for a defensive replacement.
April Fools!?!?
good one Wren!?!?
If Jason Heyward were to hit a home run off of you, you would have to fight the urge to thank him.
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by bravesforever16 on Aug 18, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
haha. we've got it covered for 2 days. depth. interchangable parts. etc
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hinske is playing 1st
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it be smarter to have Glaus as our big PH threat...?
A better version of Matt Stairs off the bench is what I’m getting at. How the hell can you take Infante out of the starting lineup when he’s hitting .340. That is the plan if Glaus plays 3B right?
Perhaps...
But, if the 3B position is anything like it’s been in the past, Infante will still see plenty of action.
Regardless, Infante can move to left field if the Glaus works out as our 3B.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I think they are anticipating that. He just needs to rest and get readjusted at AAA. Might as well get readjusted playing 3rd too, so he can back up both positions.
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by bwellnjonesco on Aug 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
would he have time?
minor league season ends soon
by forgotten_glory on Aug 18, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually really like the AAA move
If he proves he can play the hot corner it opens up a LOT of options in our infield, if he can’t nothing lost except a few pinch hits.
he would dominate in the minors
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Defensively?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you dominate defensively, exactly?
Particularly at a spot you haven’t played in basically a year.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Big question looms for Cubs fans
If D-Lee hits a homerun during this weekends series, do they throw it back?? Unfortunately for such a sad organization, this is their biggest worry
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I say no
They are Cubs fans, not Phillies fans
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
At least none of them are going to get tazed.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we could taze every Phillie fan that comes to Turner Field
that would be awesome
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DLee said
it just felt right and the chance to go to the postseason is hard to pass up. I’ve always respected their orginization… and Bobby…I’m excited. I’m looking forward to it
Carpe Diaz
vid link? .....where?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure they’ll have the PC on the Braves site in a little bit.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
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by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the recap on Cubs.com.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect example...
Of trading from a position of strength. In terms of a future finished product, I don’t think we gave up a whole lot.
Well done.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
unlike our previous trades
that blew up in our faces
ex: Frenchy
"It's here, it's here, it's finally here" :Strongbad on football season
yeah but the mess got the better end of that deal for a while
"It's here, it's here, it's finally here" :Strongbad on football season
Yes, but then they fell for our plan...
…and long after we got rid of Church, they kept putting Franceour in their lineup. Franceour in the lineup of a division rival is a benefit to the Braves.
Everything that Frenchy is associated with involves something blowing up in faces..
"Check out this bitchin' homemade tesla coil!"
by bwellnjonesco on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What?
We got rid of a black hole in our lineup for a mediocre player. What was the problem?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Even Cyborg has a take
DATA ANALYSIS INDICATES OVERLORD WREN FRANK ACQUISITION OF HUMAN LEE DERREK SHALL NOT DECREASE BATSMAN_OUTCOME:“GIDP” IN LINE UP
Carpe Diaz
cubs fans are happy because of the trade
they like Robinson Lopez
Braves farm system pitching. what's not to be happy about?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Aug 18, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
this
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Ruben Amaro,Jr..Is Frank Wrens Paper Boy..
by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get why people are bashing Wren letting Glaus play 3rd
It doesn’t affect the major league team one bit. If he proves he can play third, that just increases our depth in the infield. I think it’s a great idea.
Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0
this
it’s not like glaus is going to try to play 3rd, fail miserably, and then get put at the hot corner
No kidding.
He was going on the DL anyways. Might as well see if he can do it at 3rd. If not, just have him off the bench.
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"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
It’s not like this is going to hurt us at all. If anything we don’t have to experiment with him there in a major league game. The 15 day DL could do wonders for him though
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and if he can, that gives them soo much versatility...
able to match lefty/righty hot/cold in so many ways thanks to Diaz vs. lefties, Hinske vs. righties, Ankiel vs. righties, Melky from both sides, Infante and Conrad and Prado and Hinske, among others, able to slide in all over the place.
Lee would be entrenched at 1st when healthy, Prado at 2nd or 3rd, Heyward in RF, McCann at C (in the post season I assume he starts every game), and you can fill in so many ways with Gonzalez or Infante at SS, Infante, Conrad, or Glaus able to match with Prado at 2nd/3rd, Glaus or Lee at 1st, Diaz, Melky, Hinske, or Infante in LF, Melky, Infante, or Ankiel in CF. We’d have our versatility back that we kind of lost when Chipper went down and Infante had to fill the void.
Reminds me a little of this year’s USC Gamecocks team. They had two constant players inn their lineup and everyone else was just mixed an matched per the other team’s starter.
I’m just worried that the team will take Infante’s bat out of the lineup with Glaus going to 3rd. That’s my only concern. Infante is the 2009 version of Prado.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante has a great average, but he doesn’t walk alot and he is a light hitter.
A healthy Glaus is much better than Infante – and that isn’t a slight on Infante.
Glaus brings OBP and power while Infante brings average. I prefer players like Glaus, but neither are a bad option.
Besides, having Infante on the bench makes us that much better.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If Glaus can come back to hit like he did in May (or realistically the few weeks in June) then Glaus would be a better option than Infante. But as of right now with the sample size being July to August, Infante is the better bat than Glaus.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, but the assumption is that a rested Glaus is different than the July-August Glaus.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s hope the rest will help him. Until then, Infante/Heyward/Prado/Lee/McCann lineup will suffice for at least 3 to 4 runs per game (hopefully). This lineup going base on what I think Bobby will use.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if we give Glaus 2-3 weeks of rest and play him 4 days a week when he gets back we might actually get the May/June Glaus.
I think I just peed my pants!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Instead of Diaz against lefties? Maybe over the Hinske against righties platoon, but I’d rather have Diaz there against the lefties and Infante on the infleld
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, agreed then!
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado didn't have a BABIP of .400.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Word.
If he proves he can manage on defense there, and gets his POWAH back having him at 3rd and Lee at 1st would be amazing.
Would it be an option to sit AGon and have a Lee-Prado-Infante-Glaus infield?
That is the best idea for the IF yet – but I think I would rather have Gonzalez playing SS with Glaus at 3B. He is a better defender than Infante with much more range.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
I tend to discount defense, which is certainly a fault of mine. That said, sea bass still worries me at times on defense.
Id sit Infante before AGon
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
it doesn’t make sense when people are pissed about Glaus playing 3rd? it’s a win win situation, if it does work out, yay we have our 3B replacement, if it doesn’t he is a huge PH bat along with two other good PH bats in Hinske and Conrad.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Aug 18, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the AAA season will be finshed or very close to it by the time Glaus comes off the DL
Heyward is pretty good
I'm pretty sure he can go on a rehab assignment before his DL stint is over
And the season runs to the 6th. He should be able to get 5 or more games in
But the reason for putting hom on the DL in the first place is to rest him.
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And to open up a roster spot until Sept. 1
This way we don’t have to send anyone down and he can still rest for awhile.
Maybe I misunderstood your previous comment:
I’m pretty sure he can go on a rehab assignment before his DL stint is over,
but that isn’t my idea of resting his knees. Do you think two weeks of rest is too much?
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, that’s what I thought you were thinking. Just wasnted to clarify. Originally thought you were saying to have him go straight to Gwinnett or something. He definitely needs some rest. As someone with bad knees myself, and much older than Glaus, it pains me to see him on the field.
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he can go straight to Gwinnett to rehab...
i want to say he can after 10 days, but I’m not sure of 10 days before any rehab assignment.
i think Glaus will start tomorrow in 1B
he will try to hit something like: 5-5 2B 4HR 12RBI. LOL
great thing is that Glaus is a professional
he knows he is going on the DL to help his health and that he is still a big part of this team
some guys may not be ok with this move, but I think Glaus knows what the situation is
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I have the most faith in Melky just being our every day center fielder.
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do you imagine...
with this boost… we going on run like colorado in 07…..
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't see it happening
but we don’t need that kind of run. we just need to play like we’ve been playing
+1
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i know that...
but just imagine it….
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Very excited about this move!
Lee is a great addition and I’m stoked that he’ll be in the lineup! I’m also happy Glaus will have time on the DL to rest, he sure needs it.
Gondee
You give us great breaking news!! I don’t know who your sources our, but the news might want to check with you first!!! Awesome job!!!!
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
it's "I don't know who your sources ARE"
just to let you know
"It's here, it's here, it's finally here" :Strongbad on football season
It was probably that reporter in Chicago who broke the news.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
so...
there it is… everyone was asking for wren’s head for not geting dunn or some big bat…. and now he does this…..
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You had to know something would happen in August after the bad deadline non-deals.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this… and totally redeem yourself!
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Epic reference.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Aug 18, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright.. Sure the Game thread tonight will be buzzin'
Gotta go run some errands before the game.. See ya’ll in an hour..
Go Bravos.. Nats suck!!
I have the day off today too! That was nice. I’d be going nuts if I had work right now.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know how much money the Cubbies are sending us?
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
I feel old at 25…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What I love about this team is that nearly every single position player
can play more than 1 position
Can the Phaillies say that? NO
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
You know?
Now that almost every player on the team can play multiple positions…The Braves should move guys around during the innings just to mess with the opposing team!
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
and why is Omar Infante on the mound
and Who is that Managing??!!!
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
does he get into an argument with himself and throw himself out of the game?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My Message to Frank Wren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkefjCES-4
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
I think this is all deftly done on a lot of levels. From getting Lee and letting everyone think he was going after 3B help to giving Glaus a chance to redeem himself AND really help the team when he comes back by playing a little 3B. He gave up our most expendable ‘high ceiling’ guy for something that can really only help the team.
FUCKING BRILLIANT.
This so much.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Which team has higher payroll?
Atlanta or Gwinnett?
On days KK is pitching, Glauosaurus is pickin the hot corner, and Nate McLouth covers the gaps like Neon Deion down the sideline, is that the highest paid AAA team in history?
"I don't care about that. The players don't want to read about the damn manager." - Bobby Cox after some late 90's milestone.
by AmosM on Aug 18, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
rofl
actually, a gwinnett team with KK, glaus, mclouth, and freeman could definitely beat the pirates or orioles in a 7-game series
lol
I was just thinking the same thing. That AAA team is going to beast.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 18, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
How many guys you know getting paid $4 mil+ to play in the minors?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Glaus isn’t getting that much to play in the minors…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 19, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Is his ML contract not guaranteed?
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't possibly be this big of a fool....
Martin Prado had a rehab assignment, does that mean he got his salary “to play in the minors”? Or when Jair Jurrjens was rehabbing in Gwinnet? Troy has made most of his money for playing with the big club, and his May/June was about enough production to justify his salary. So not only is it a rehab assignment (unlike KK or McLouth), but it’s not an accurate slice of his pay vs. time down there, and not even accurate on the money either (since I believe, too lazy to look it up) he’s making at MOST $4m, so the + sign shouldn’t be there, and he won’t be making that much since his DL stint and rehab time will likely keep him from making at least one, if not two, of his plate appearance bonuses. So in response to your above question, Troy Glaus is a) not getting paid over $4m, and b) damn sure isn’t getting paid that much “to play in the minors”.
I'm fully aware of that.
The fact remains, however, that he going to be suiting up for Gwinnett while also drawing his full salary. That would, by definition, contribute to a high salary base for that team. Futher, Kawakami’s stint there could easily be considered a conditioning or rehab assignment, because he’s got to do it to serve his designated role (starting pitcher) for the major league team.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not making his entire salary in the next two weeks. Jesus H Christ.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I didn't suggest he was.
But on a per-game basis, it’s certainly higher with him there than not. Or should somebody find an internet clip to mock that?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 20, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the best thing ever.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 20, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
We are going to the Super Bowl!!!
oh wait nevermind
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we bring
Carl Nicks with?
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
LOL....!!!!!!!!!
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So, are we going to acknowledge that we just gave up
Robinson Lopez and other prospects for half a year of a .750 OPS first baseman?
you left out
a world series tittle…..
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
because .750 OPS first basemen scream WS title
by kbertling353 on Aug 18, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
.900+ since the ASB
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez is a middling prospect
Harris is probably a C because he’s stuck in the bullpen, and the third guy doesn’t even qualify as a prospect. Chances are none of the 3 ever do anything meaningful in the majors.
Lopez really isn't a middling prospect
He ended up in the TC’s top ten prospect list, and on a team that doesn’t have Teheran, Minor, Vizcaino, and Delgado, he’d have been much higher. Most teams don’t have anywhere near that kind of pitching depth. He should be a really good pitcher unless he suffers some kind of injury setback.
Dude he's treading water in low A
He might be top 15 in our system. There’s already talk he’ll end up in the bullpen. He’s a C+ prospect with an outside chance at B-.
The chances of him ever doing anything in the bigs are fairly remote.
But look at Lopez this year...
he’s looking far from a sure thing right now, just a good, high upside but long way off latin american 18 or 19 year old arm struggling in low A.
at the same time it is his first time in full season ball and he has showed flashes on dominance..I’m not upset about losing him ( i like him as a prospect, but thats what he is a prospect they are good for trading). He is in Low A few guys dominate the whole season in Low A (besides guys like teheran)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
relax we gave up nothing to get a guy that could be the final piece to the puzzle
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone here had to not like the trade. This place would be too boring, otherwise.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
No he's not
He’s not bad or anything, but he’s the sort of guy you see in a deal like this. He wouldn’t crack anyone’s top 200 prospects in baseball next year.
wrong...
I think nixa37’s assessment was pretty much right
Wrong...
I like Mr. Sanchez’s assessment was pretty much right
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Seriously?
What recent top 100 lists has he come close to making? He was a C+ prospect before the season and he’s a C+ now. He’s around 15th best in our organization on any list that isn’t totally based on upside. Our farm isn’t good enough where a guy around 15th best in our organization is in the top 200 in baseball.
he’s top 10 on our list here I beleive and with graudations of a couple of guys he will be like8-9 maybe…its plausible he is in the top 200
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I wouldn't exactly call TC a prospect authority
I wouldn’t say any of the other top 10 guys have graduated (I know Minor’s up but he’s not close to losing rookie eligibility yet), and Lopez has been absolutely horrid since that list was released. He has more BB than K since then. Even using your ranking, the eighth or ninth best prospect in our organization is in now way a lock for the top 200 and I think its really a stretch to rank Lopez that high in our organization right now.
Also
Plausibly being the top 200 isn’t quite the same as being on the cusp of the top 100 as Mr. Sanchez, who you were agreeing with, argues.
at the beginning of the year I saw him cracking the top 100, he has struggled this year, but there’s no real reason to change his ceiling, if anything he has shown he can be flat out dominant.
That said, I certainly wouldn’t put him in the top 100, becuase he did struggle a little bit. In regards to the top 200, its so difficult to make a top 20 list that I have no clue if he would make a top 200 list, but there is certainly an argument that could be made for him. He is still young has a great fastball and decent offspeed offerings. (decent might be generous with the change, but I’m an optimist).
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Honestly I don't know how you could see him as top 100
Without being a huge homer. I don’t mean any disrespect by that, but Lopez just isn’t that rare of a commodity. There are more pitchers in the low minors that can hit mid 90s in short stints than you would think. His numbers last year look pretty, but anyone with a FB that fast should dominate the GCL. Sure, Lopez had solid numbers after the first 2 months this year, but it was almost entirely out of the bullpen. As a SP, he’s only striking out 5.18 per 9 while walking 3.98. The only reason his numbers look decent is because he struck out 11.57 per 9 in relief.
For me, that doesn’t even get you in the discussion for the top 200. He’s a guy that throws hard but has shown no ability as a starter. On top of that, I see no way he can be a consistent starter with his mechanics. The crap he does with his plant leg just doesn’t lend itself to repeatable mechanics. He’s got awesome genetics that allow him to get great forearm lag and that’s it. He’d have to completely rebuild his mechanics for me to take him seriously as a starter. Relievers don’t crack the top 200 unless they’re close to big league ready with at least a plus FB and breaking pitch. Lopez isn’t close.
maybe you misunderstood me….I meant at the beginning of the year I forecasted he would be around a top 100 prospect by the end of the year…if he was able to harness his fastball and do what he is capable of he would easily be a top 100 at the end of this year…now that didnt happen because he struggled in his first full season of professional baseball (which happens and I don’t put that much stock into it, especially not as a 19 year old). he clearly isnt a top100 right now. he is close to the top 200 though and I don’t think there be a lot of complaints from people if he was around 190-200…it also wouldnt surprise me if he wasnt on a top 300 list. There is a fair amount of fluctuation in regards to the opinion of prospects once you get past the top 25 or so.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I'm not sure why you disagreed in the 1st place then
I said he wouldn’t crack any top 200s, Mr. Sanchez said he was on the cusp of some top 100s, then you said I was wrong and you thought his assessment was right. Now you’re back tracking and saying people wouldn’t complain if he was at the very back end of a top 200 list. He’s a guy with a big fastball and an outside chance of being a starter. There are probably 30 guys just like him in the low minors right now, but because they don’t play for the Braves you and I don’t know them. The only reason people around here think highly of him is because he was our low minors arm with a big fastball.
You're being a douche...
he’s a 19 year old with mid 90s gas and loads of potential. He is far from a finished product but the upside is clearly there for someone to put him in a top 100 if they like what they see. It’s not uncommon for players with Lopez’ exact profile to sneak in at the bottom of those lists by someone who likes what they see and takes a flier on a young kid with high upside. In fact, I’d say a good stint with the Cubs, and the very nature of his new affiliation and becomming possible their “highest upside” arm in the minors, he can make a list.
I'm a douche because I disagree with you?
Seriously man? All I’m doing is explaining why I think you guys are way too high on him. Guys with maxed out frames, questionable mechanics, and bad track records as a starter in low A ball don’t belong anywhere near a top 100 list. Maybe if they have college pedigree they get the benefit of the doubt, but that’s it.
Lopez is a 19 year old with a relatively big fastball. That’s it. There are plenty of guys like him in the minors. The only reason you’ve heard of him is because he was a Braves minor leaguer. He was nowhere near the top 100 coming into this year and he’s pitched terribly as a starter. I can’t imagine anyone considering him for their top 100.
by nixa37 on Aug 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, you're being a douche because you're focusing on all his problems...
very few kids who start A ball at 18 excel. No, he’s not Julio Teheran, but the stuff and potential is obvious. Scouts every now and then fawn over guys like that, and now that he’s a Cub, I can see him having a good year next year and climbing up the charts fast.
It’s not like the guy is an unknown, the potential is there, and he’s far from a finished product, but if he figures it out he makes a move up the charts and fast. It’s a big if, but the potential is there for a kid who was 18 when he arrived in the spring.
And you are absolutely incorrect on the “only” reason I’ve heard of him. Maybe you follow Braves only, but over the last few years I’ve paid more and more attention to minor leaguers, including non-Braves.
by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 20, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I pointed out his pluses
He’s 19 and he’s got a big fastball. Its not an incredibly rare package. Even with the elite velocity, the fastball still isn’t a plus pitch because of the lack of movement and his tendency to leave it up. That’s from Mike Newman who really likes the kid.
Honestly, I don’t think scouts fawn over guys like Lopez nearly as much as you think. It’d be one thing if he had a good breaking pitch to go with it, but that’s still below average.
You need to get over this idea that if he figures it out, he goes to shoot up the charts. Its not a matter of figuring it out with him. Its a matter of refining the secondary pitches. That’s certainly something its possible to do, but its not something you assume a pitcher will do just because he’s young. At this point, I’d take a 21 year old that sat 90-92 with solid movement and a refined breaking ball over Lopez.
I follow the minor leagues as closely as possible. You can find me on Sickels SBNation site more than you can here. That’s why I’m so surprised by people being up in arms about us losing a C+ prospect that’s done nothing to improve on that status this year.
I'm not up in arms...
just recognizing the upside of the player. I think it’s a good deal, and agree with much of what you say. But I also think he’s 19, with a long ways to go, and it’d be much easier to say what he can or can’t be in two years than it is now.
Also, Mike Newman, while running a great blog, is far from an expert on the subject himself, and I think he’d readily admit that. I also think his thoughts on Lopez are far from a definitive final judgment on the man.
by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 20, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I know about Mike
And like I said, he’s actually very high on him. I do think its important to remember than there are three important things a fastball can have, and although Lopez is elite in velocity, he is lacking in movement and command. If he can add one of those two it probably goes to a plus pitch, but obviously there are no guarantees.
And yeah, it will be a lot easier to tell what Lopez will be in two years, but right now he’s just a lottery ticket. He’s a legit prospect worth following, no doubt, but he’s a long way off from being a top 100 guy in my book.
No.
Not even close to significant. He’s decent, but no more.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That was my ringtone briefly.
LOVED IT.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd also note that we didn't trade three can't-miss prospects for Lee, however.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Lee has an OPS of .900+ since the ASB, and we gave up nothing, especially since we got cash back too.
Lopez might be a good 2/3 starter, but it’ll be 2012 at the absolute earliest. Harris is a 7th or 8th inning guy at best, and Lorick is a total un-known.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We gave up one possible top 15 prospect in our system
Harris is decent for a middle relief prospect. Third guy doesn’t even matter.
We got a guy OPS’ing .900+ since the ASB with great defense AND got a bit of cash, and we got rid of a guy who might be a #3 starter one day, a middle relief prospect and a totally un-known guy.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It always seems like it. He has gold gloves, and while that doesn’t really mean anything, it still counts for something. Most Cubs fans describe his defense as excellent and he always looks good when we play Chicago.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I never really like UZR with 1st basemen, but yeah, a positive number certainly doesn’t hurt. I’m scared to see Troy’s.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's well above average, and MILES better than what Glaus gave us.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He has a career OPS over .850, and has played well lately. Lee’s BABIP this season has been greatly under performing, he’s got all the signs of a guy who can turn things around for the rest of the season.
FTFY
he’s got all the signs of a guy who can has already turned things around for the rest of the season
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m also a little disappointed that we gave up Lopez for Lee and his back problems. If he continues to hit well, this is a fair deal, but not “brilliant” as it’s being described.
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
We also...
Traded for a guy that was top 10 in the NL MVP votiing just last season.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Maybe...
Dude makes $13M a year right now, would probably make less signing as a FA and arbitration tends to lean in the player’s favor.
Can we afford to pay that much with Chipper coming back and a nearly MLB-ready 1B in the wings??
I’d love him to decline, but I think he’s got a good shot at making more thru arbitration than he would on the market, which will include Dunn, LaRoche (assuming D-Backs don’t take that option), Konerko and Carlos Pena.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
He's probably above Pena at least...
and might prefer multi-year security vs. a 1 year offer considering his family. Maybe he’s already planning on heading back to Chicago. If we’re giving up that many prospects, I’d assume we’d want the chance to get one back.
This is true.
Multi-year deal possibilities would pretty much eliminate the thought of accepting arb. Also, Bobby won’t be back, presumably, and he did mention that as a reason for coming over.
Personally, I could stand to see him here another year, if we offered arb and he took it. I’m not sure that’s how we’d like to spend our money, but I also think this year has been more of an aberration than anything else.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Cubs fans on SB Nation seem pretty cool about the deal.
Almost all of them are wishing Lee good luck and hoping we do well. They also said they expect him to get a standing O on Friday in Chicago. Nice stuff to see.
Cubs fans are usually pretty classy
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Did you really just say that??
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
from my experiences they are
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it's not class they're lacking...
when coming to Coors Field. It’s sobriety.
I’ve never been to Wrigley, so I can’t say anything for their home fans. But when they come to town, it’s amateur hour downtown.
I’ve seen Cubs fans do just about everything you’d expect to see at closing time on New Year’s Eve in the middle of the summer. Passed out, check. Walking into oncoming traffic, check. And so forth.
That said, if I ever get the opportunity to visit Wrigley, I can’t say I won’t get too deep into Old Styles and find myself in a similar predicament…
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
my brother-in-law is a Cubs fan, he is pretty cool
might have to call him tonight lol
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Professor Farnsworth calling in from the bullpen:
Happy day. Welcome aboard Derrick. Much better than the other 1B playing Lee.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Toronto just tied Oakland in the top of the 9th.
was 4-1.. now 4-4.. Escobar has had nothing to do with the comeback thus far.
Was that last sentence really necessary to your post?
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I’m watching it too, just to see Esco. He struck out in the 8th, but he’s up now in the 9th
"If I’m batting behind him (Heyward), I tell the umpire, ‘Will you please check that ball,’" Diaz said. "And he’d be like, ‘It didn’t hit the dirt.’ And I’d go, ‘It might be flat.’ He hits the ball so stinking hard."
My apologies. I thought you were making an insinuation with that statement.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
…and GDIP to end the inning.
I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So, wait, does Lee get to sit on his ass until Friday at 2 PM (that is outside of press confrences). Lucky bastard.
(intentionally crass)
Carpe Diaz
I'm sure he's got family stuff to deal with...
finding an apartment or hotel in Atlanta for the rest of the year, etc.
WAs on Cubs site and saw MVHS post
who are the minor league experts here? CB Wilk i bet but who is the other?
Jason Heyward...great guy
Yeah, I felt under-qualified to say much more.
CB and Yonda are the experts.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Just scouting reports on the guys.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Robinson Lopez – He’s a 3 pitch guy sits 92-94 from the wind with the FB and tops out at 96, but from the stretch he loses velocity and command, his CB is his best off-speed pitch in which he gets most of his Ks, and he shows a change but rarely uses it like most young pitchers. His command is very iffy right now but he’s only 19 so he has plenty of time to work on that.
Tyrelle Harris – Has a plus FB that topps out around 97 but he sits around 93-94, he also has a CB which looked more slurvy to me when he was in Rome but it’s still his out pitch. He still needs to work on his control though but he’s a nice power arm.
Jeffrey Lorick – He looked good out of the pen when I saw him. He was 90-91 with the FB and hit 93 a couple times, has a nice 11-6 CB, and a really good change. His command and control was good that day he K’d two guys and got the other to ground out weakly to SS.
Although he doesn’t post much, swo is a good source of minor league info too.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you for that hunny
Pretty much what Yonda and Jay said…I really like Lopez (or i really liked him comin ginto the year, he hasnt impressed this year). Lopez’s biggest asset is his age and his fastball. Harris looks like he good be a very good relief arm if he can mainatin his control
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Lopez is the gem here and a lot of people had him tabbed for a breakout performance this season but once he exceeded his IP from last season it has been downhill since. I don’t believe he is a fututre reliever yet like Gondeee but currently he only has one above average pitch (FB). Ty’Relle Harris is a guy that will most likely help out a major league team in the future out of the pen but more likely as a 7th inning pitcher,maybe in a setup role at his best. Lorick has been decent in Rome so far this season but nothing about him is wowing. I’ll miss Lopez but he was our 6th best pitching prospect (Teheran, Minor, Delgado, Hoover, Kimbrel) and probably didn’t have a spot in the future.
Is that really a picture of Chipper
In Moylans locker???
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Derek Lee’s Three Year September Split:
By Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
September 271 49 93 24 0 18 50 37 3 50 1 1 . 343 .428 .631 1.059
beautiful
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 18, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The only question I have in all of this is, what member of the Braves FO is convinced Troy Glaus can even remotely play a competent 3B, rest or no rest?
He has no range, and he has no arm. I’m scratching my head on that one.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I don’t believe he can pull it off at AAA, and certainly not at the ML level. But, whatever. It’s good for Troy to get a little rest. We’ll need him down the stretch.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
again..
the team does not lose anything by trying…. do you imagine he comes back with a new life… and has a may/june september…..
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Was his 3rd base defense great in June?
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 18, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy
and great 3B defense have NEVER been in the same sentence… his entire career
by UltimaParadox on Aug 18, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus doesn’t have great 3B defense.
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Aug 18, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry....
new life…. i meant hitting wise
Jason Heyward is what Willis was talking about.....
by Hektor DiPaula on Aug 18, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The position isn’t one sided. He has to play the field as well.
And how well do his legs hold up trying to play 3rd? I think spot starting is a better idea for him from here on out.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
I agree wholeheartedly. I can’t imagine any amount of rest would allow Troy to cover 3B. Right now he looks like he has crutches for legs. Platoon with DLee, or spot starting, is my favorite option too. Hell, just PH would be awesome!
I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. ~ Crash Davis
by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 18, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no different
than Chipper when he played 3rd
by UltimaParadox on Aug 18, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been away for a bit
what’s going on there?
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 18, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy DL’d, and to go to Gwinnet to play 3B for a rehab assignment after resting for a while.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The word is that he wanted to do it as much as anything.
And, FWIW, they signed him believing he could play third as needed to spell Chipper in the event of an injury.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Esco grounds into a Double Play lol
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
ESPN to talk about trade according to the rundown
My guess is their producer has dedicated 10 seconds to the story….then back to Favre
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Top Story: Yankess pitcher has hangnail
RABBLE RABBLE
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Strasburg pitched the other day. And I heard LeBron went to WalMart today. And the Yankees and Phillies play. Lots to cover.
Carpe Diaz
Favre
ate out at Denny’s in his Wrangler jeans too
by UltimaParadox on Aug 18, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
then went to Sears and couldnt decide what TV to get
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They have good coverage – even the press conference from Derek Lee and some analysis.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm shocked
But of course…..BACK TO FAVRE!
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
did something happen with Favre?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He also hosted the most talked about slumber party ever
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
He ate at Denny’s this morning. Reports are he didn’t like his pancakes
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Shortly after a few of Denny’s best managers flew in. They convinced him to come back, he agreed
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
I mean...
they shed light on the deal by posting his last three year stats and then this year…
but didn’t show his second half stats this year or talk about who he was replacing…
not exactly good coverage
Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009
If you change that to 45 seconds
Then that is exactly what just happened. They cut from the live DLee presser to a re-run of brad childress’
I don’t think the presser was live…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee didn't talk for much more than :45, from what was on cubs.com.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow if Derek is healthy
huge trade!!!
Guy has had a +.900 OPS since the ASB
Sorry been stuck in meetings today, just saw the news
FW on dlee
(on dlee’s corisone shot and back issue) it’s not a concern at all, we had our doctors look at the MRI he had on monday, and they think it’ll clear up in the next few days.
it doesn’t bother him to field or hit, but it bothers him to run, but derrek’s not known for his running speed anyway. he thinks he’ll be ready to go on friday.
he’s extremely excited. he’s looking forward to getting into the pennant race and being a part of this team
Derrek
is a pretty good athlete, who was a well above runner for 1B
So hopefully this does not affect his range
by UltimaParadox on Aug 18, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I thought one of the things he was most known for was his baserunning.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
lol MLB network just asked the question
Derrek Lee on the move; “what team is he headed to”
In the corner it had a picture of Lee with a Braves hat on lol
Well done there folks lol
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
That pisses some guys off so bad when they give away the story in the tease. People lose their shit in the studio.
MUST RECONFIGURE STRIKEZONE PARAMETERS TO ACCOUNT FOR FALLIBLE HUMAN UMPIRE - CyborgHanson48
kinda defeats the purpose of the tease
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
DLee seems like an awesome dude
He’ll fit right in.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
and his stats since the ASB...
Sexy. And he’s notorious for great September’s too.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I have always liked the way he handles himself. Seems classy; very Brave-like.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus to DL, Hicks called up
according to AJC.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
Wasn’t Hicks recalled last week? I could have sworn he was used as a PR during the Dodger series.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Good thing
the AAA team is no longer in Richmond. He’d be putting on quite the frequent flyer miles. What’s this, callup # 4 this year?
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
i think it is his 5th callup…but I’m not positive…he is looking to set some kind of record though..he has been clutch in fantasy…he has scored 7 runs in 5 PAs
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
I said earlier. Glaus goes on the DL and feels great. Will there be any chance he comes back and plays third? Everyone said no
Or, frankly, what he knows.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Good trade
But we should stay calm. It’s not as big as the Crime Dog/Tex trades. Lee hasnt been playing all that great this year (tho he has been better lately).
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Better?
He’s been one of the better hitters in the league since the AS break.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
Which means hes been doing better than he was previously…
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
I'd say that's a bit more than just better.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
youre right
ive been pwned.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
I dont like it
Lopez is a great prospect, top-10 on most people’s list and number seven on mine. 19-year-olds who throw mid 90’s are hard to come by, holding on to them is usually a good idea.
Lopez alone was bad, and even though Harris and Lorick aren’t too valuable, I don’t like the idea of packaging three minor leaguers with potential for a month and a half rental that isn’t a team changer.
Lee is an improvement, but not a big enough one. I was against bringing Freddie up, but I would have went with him and kept our prospects before making this move, considering the asking price.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio
by BenDuronio on Aug 18, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Have you seen Lee's numbers
plus a defensive upgrade…
Lopez is still far away, before we can start saying this guy is legit
by UltimaParadox on Aug 18, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Lee’s numbers have been inconsistent. He’s got a rough back, although the team thinks it’s okay, which worries me as well. I just don’t know if I like the thought of Lee over Freeman for a month and a half while losing a prospect with as good of an arm as Lopez. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Robinson have a better major league career than every Braves pitching prospect sans Teheran and Minor.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio
by BenDuronio on Aug 18, 2010 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait--
The team docs think his back is OK, and that worries you as well? How does that make sense?
It’s possible Robinson turns out as a #2 starter. But it’s much more likely that he’s just a back-end guy, bullpen guy, or a total flame-out. You treat an A-ball pitcher like he’s going to fulfill his maximum potential. Guys like Lopez are actually not all that hard to find, especially in our system.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
These are (most likely) the same doctors that were fine with Kotsay’s back as well, and he ended up having problems with it too. A cort. shot will help a bulging disk, but it can cause a ton of other problems as well.
I don’t hate the trade and I completely understand the methodology of it, I just don’t necessarily like it. I like Lee as a player and I was all for the trade until I saw who we gave up. Lopez is one of the guys I am higher on than most, so it stings to see a guy like that given up for a rental.
Twitter: @Ben_Duronio
Lopez has the potential...
but it’s just that, potential. He’s got a long ways to go with control, etc before he’s big league ready. Maybe he makes it, and is a huge loss, maybe he doesn’t. He’s the risk we take for making them throw in cash. Let’s just hope it’s not a Blake/Santana part two.
its different than blake/santana…that deal was stupid at the time at worst this deal is maybe, possibly, questionable
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
It's not that bad.
We have at least 5 pitching prospects more valuable than Lopez (JT, Minor, Arodys, Delgado, Beachy) and probably more. Lopez is also a long ways from the majors, and anything can happen there. I like him, but we can lose him and not miss a beat at all.
Lee’s probably a pretty big improvement over Glaus in my opinion. If he plays well, this deal will be worth it. If he doesn’t, it probably won’t be, but that’s true of all deals. I’d rather have hung on to Robinson, but that’s the cost of doing business in a pennant race.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
pacgnosis vs. BenDurino vs. Holty_Panthers_Fan would be better...
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito in NYC
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta throw large joseph in there.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just thinking about Large Joseph. I miss the days when he was around…someone would make a retarded fanpost…he would make some literary statment regarding shanking and genitalia…said dumb poster would never be heard from again, or would learn his lesson. those were the good old days, of course the Braves werent very good that year (i think it was 2006 when i started hangin around here)
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
scouts
Were saying that his approach at the plate wasn’t big league ready and that he simply not ready to be the Braves 1B
by drumzalicious on Aug 18, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahaha HUDDY HAS A BEARD GOING TONIGHT!!!!!
by SouthernPanther on Aug 18, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
Phillies radio saying Phillies will still be in first place in the next ten days
they are counting on the Phillies soft schedule with Nats & Astros coming up. Also they say that the Braves have a bandwagon fanbase. Im just saying.
we have a bandwagon fan base?????
really? really?? really???
wow….
by SouthernPanther on Aug 18, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm bandwagon.
Been driving it since 82 after the 13-0 start.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
every fan base has bandwagon fans…its not that big of a deal…no one likes to follow a loser and some people don’t, others would rather be loyal and stick with a loser…to each his own, but the fact is there are bandwagon fans in every fanbase…look at the viewership of TC when we sucked in 2007 and now
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Why do we keep bringing up the Phillies?
Everyone in baseball knows their fans are a bunch of fucking douchebags. Who cares what they say. Go throw up on another police officer’s daughter or something.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not all the fans are douchebags.
The guys from “It’s Always Sunny” are doucebags primarily in the comedic sense.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Philadelphia fans saying we have a bandwagon fan base
They are the most fair weather fans in all sports.
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
Really?
The Phillies accusing anyone of having a bandwagon fanbase is silly. That town is all Eagles except when the phils are winning.
WOW, been gone all day and just now seeing this news.
Exciting times around the ole’ wigwam these days.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
The hidden benefit here
is that this allows us to DL Troy and give his legs a much-needed rest. I don’t expect him to be able to play 3B when he gets back, at least not for more than a few innings at a time, but I do expect that he’ll be a better hitter when his legs are less painful to him.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
Can you imagine the pop this lineup has with Mac, a healthier Glaus, and now Lee?
If Heyward can start clearing some fences, this team is going to start seriously mashing. Even more than the folks in Lynchburg, TN.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
We technically only traded 3 players, but should we include the two drafted prospects that we supposedly didnt sign so that we would have the cash to make this deal? If you include those, this deal certainly looks a little different.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
?????????????
we are actually getting money to take Derrek Lee, so how did those two prospects have anything to do with it?
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/8/16/1626553/braves-nix-zach-alvord-deal-to
The money we got didnt cover his entire salary, so we still needed to free up some money to take Lee.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
We don’t know the whole story there. I’m not convinced there’s a direct correlation.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
There is some solace there.
We dont completely know what happened. But if that is the way it happened…
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
I'm pretty convinced that
there’s NO correlation at all. After all, Wren said directly that there was no correlation.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case
Did he give a reason for not signing Alvord when we supposedly had a deal in place for quite a while?
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Not that I recall.
Presumably they just weren’t that close to having a deal in the first place, despite the reports.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
who says?
The reports Ive read said we were willing to go that far, at least for Alvord.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Not if we take that money and go sign that 16 year old from MExico.
by SouthernPanther on Aug 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
DO YOU BOYS LIKE MEXICO!!!!
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
I’m freaking out…man.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
All right, meow.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Do I look like a cat to you boy? Am I drinking milk from a saucer?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 20, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
the schnozberries taste like schnozberries
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
All-right, chicken fuckers!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 20, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Cubs will send 1.7 million, or half of Lee's remaining contract, to Atlanta
I asked earlier and nobody answered me so I found the information myself, psh!
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Where are you seeing this?
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I admit it...
MLB trade rumors, not the most reliable source maybe?
“The Cubs will pay the Braves $1.7MM, half of the $3.4MM owed to Lee between now and the end of the season. The 34-year-old, who hits free agency at season’s end, has a .251/.335/.416 line in 475 plate appearances and projects to be a Type B free agent this offseason. Lee has a .939 OPS since the All-Star break, but is currently dealing with back soreness.”
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mlbtr is one of the best sources out there.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me
How Derek Lee projects as a type B FA but Brad Hawpe is type A…..Elias confuses me
"A good friend of mine used to say, This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while." - Ebby Calvin "Nuke" LaLoosh
because those rankings
are based on idiotic stats like RBIs, then magicked together into a rating using an arcane formula
They’re a well-known embarrassment to the game.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Aug 18, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually could easily climb to type A.
He’s only a couple spots below the cutoff, and one of the guys ahead of him is Willingham, who’s done for the year.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Being on the DL for a little while doesn't hurt your Elias ranking
They project numbers out as if you were healthy the whole time, though there is some sort of limit to it. Regardless, Lee isn’t going to be offered arbitration. He would accept it without thinking twice (especially if he was a type A) and we don’t have room in the budget to be paying him ~12 million dollars.
Go Colts
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Interesting random Colts cheer
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MVHS is a Colts fan… I am Colts fan…
I do this frequently. :D
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I'm not a Colts fan
But Peyton Manning is easily the best QB to ever play the game…..
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I like you.
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GO COLTS!!!!!!!!!!
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
OPEN THREAD IS UP:
http://www.talkingchop.com/2010/8/18/1630249/open-thread-8-18-braves-vs#comments
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
confidence up
Have been voting 8 on the confidence poll all year, saving my vote to a 9 for when the Braves make the playoffs. This deal changes all that & my vote goes to a 9 as a result of this move. This is the type of a deal I’ve been hoping to see. A respected & top quality impact player. Wren is a genius.
A baseball diamond is, most simply, the intersecting of four 90-foot baselines, and, most powerfully, the intersecting of seemingly random lives.
The Lineup
1. Omar
2. Martin
3. Lee
4. B-Mac
5. J-Hey
6. Hinske
7. A-Gon
8. Ankiel-Melky
9. Huddy the hitting machine
FINALLY ! At Long Last
At long last we have a true impact bat and true cleanup hitter in D. Lee. Should be interesting to see how he performs for the rest of the season. D. Lee has always be a true pro and a great power hitter. Although his best power hitting seasons are behind him he is still a long ball threat and a great addition to a ball club that lacked such a healthy player that is the caliber of Lee. I love the way the club is going and if it took Chipper getting hurt for the season to acquire Lee then I would make that trade off anytime. Plus for what we gave up (in my opinon) nothing all that great to the Cubs it was a true steal, I mean three low – class A ball guys and only one really has the chance to start and be anything special.
Stinks that we don’t control Lee for anytime after this season but I would make that trade all day long for a real power threat or rental type player. Cubs you got taken once again have fun being in the cellar where you truly belong and it is moves like this accepting C- prospects for impact players which is why you are where you are at as a franchise which is a joke !!!
Glaus starting at 3B would be great for sure but it may prove to diffcult for him to do at this point in his career. Lineup would be a crazy good with both Troy and Lee in their together.
Infante
Prado
Heyward
McCann
Glaus
A-Gonzo
Diaz – Hinkse
Melky – Ankiel
Pitcher spot
Looks like a WS lineup card to me .
Go Braves.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 18, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
Oh wait! DUHHHHH.
Forgot to put D. Lee in cleanup spot to excited to care though go Bravos !
Prado
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Glaus
A-Gonzo
Diaz-Hinske
Melky-Ankiel
Great lineup to me.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
…and you still failed to put D. Lee in the cleanup spot.
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by Old Braves' Fan on Aug 19, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
So does this make Freddie Freeman available?
If so, what will you take for him? I was hoping you’d wait for Adrian Gonzalez, but since you didn’t…who from the Padres or the BoSox (Adrians likely destination) will you trade for him?
"Never have a motto, that's what I always say" - Me
No chance this makes Freeman available. Freeman is our starting 1B from Day 1 in 2011. Lee is simply a guy to play for the next 2-3 months.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 18, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston?
Kalish and Kelly would work for Freeman.
But I doubt he’s available.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 19, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
thats too much for Freeman….Kelly is a top 30 prospect I think…Kelly for Freeman would be an ok trade, in terms of talent maybe we get an A ball arm or something.
No way we get two top propects for one top prospects. Freeman is good, but not that good.
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
Huh?
How would this have anything to do with Freeman at all?
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Aug 19, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
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