Braves Nix Zach Alvord Deal To Free Up Money For Aramis Ramirez
by gondeee on Aug 16, 2010 8:12 PM EDT
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PrintAccording to a source close to the negotiations the Braves will not sign 18th-round selection Zach Alvord, and will instead reroute that money to a possible run at a waiver claim on Aramis Ramirez. The Braves had an agreement in place to sign Alvord, and have had an agreement for weeks since just after the draft.
While Alvord's bonus demands were high, they were not outrageous, and he had even agreed to a lower bonus in the form of a hometown discount in order to sign with Atlanta. He was asking for just under seven figures, a number that would have been less than first round money, but more than Matt Lipka received as a supplemental pick by Atlanta. The deal was simply being held until today due to its over-slot nature.
According to the source the Braves pulled the deal after the injury to Chipper Jones in order to save money for a run at a higher priced waiver claim. The source indicated that the Braves are in talks with the Cubs to try and acquire third baseman Aramis Ramirez in a waiver deal if he is able to get through. If Ramirez gets blocked, then the Braves may go after another high-priced waiver claim.
As was reported earlier, Stefan Sabol, the Braves 17th-round pick, will also not be signed by Atlanta. Though there is no indication that he had a deal on the table as well, there is a strong possibility that there was a potential for a deal and for the same reasons the Alvord deal fell apart, Sabol's did too.
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Interesting news. I was really hoping we’d sign one or both of those guys. Anybody know how many years does Ramirez have left on his contract? I’m more than a little concerned we’d be stuck with another stinker of a contract.
He has one year for $14.5 million...
..but then a club option for more the following year with a $2 million or so buyout, so it really is $16.5 for one more year.
I’d love this if it happens. Why in the heck is an 18th rounder asking for 2nd round money, anyway?
by Bobby Cocks on Aug 16, 2010 8:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I’d rather have Alvord, we keep going for these low OB% guys, Ramirez is at .290 this year.
Heyward is pretty good
yea
its kind of weird. going for seemingly all power and no OBP.
by drumzalicious on Aug 16, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ramirez is actually capable of hitting for a high average though whereas Gonzalez and Ankiel are not so much.
Average and OBP
are two different things
by drumzalicious on Aug 16, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen our team and its offensive production?
The other way around doesn’t seem to result in consistent offense, exactly.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand what Wren is trying to do here. He should have stayed with the successful philosophy of high OBP guys.
Because our offense this year=
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So forget about obp & got for guys w/ no obp skills a & slight pop? That’s sounds like a winar also…not.
I'm not suggesting it throughout the lineup.
But a player here and there for THIS team that fit that profile might well improve us.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, yeah it pretty much was, we were first in OBP in the first half and 13th in SLG and we were 6th in the NL in Runs.
Now were 5th in SLG and have dropped to 7th in OBP, and have dropped to 9th in the league in runs scored since the break.
So, umm...
If you’re in the bottom half of the league in doing what you need to do to win (scoring runs), shouldn’t you probably work on that?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If I’m Alvord though this has got to suck. You had agreed to a deal months ago with your hometown team which you were thrilled to play for and now its being taken off the table at the deadline. Probably not the best way to do business if you are the braves.
I wish they could decide today and if the deal doesn’t happen go back to Alvord.
Heyward is pretty good
…or do a deferred money thing, perhaps.
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not sure how i feel about this
about the nixing the deal and the going after ramirez.
only if they are taking lowe lol
Ramirez!
According to COTS next year is for 14.6 million with a 2012 club option, that is automatically picked up if he’s traded and picks up the 2011 player option, which is worth 16 million! I really wonder how the Braves would play that out though next year if Chipper proves he can come back? I know thats the least of their worries now but if they want to go after a higher price contract they might want someone who doesn’t have a limited flexibility like Aramis. I dno it’s just my opinion! However I think for the Braves they need to make a deal to preserve the bench in case another injury occurs, and that would basically be the only reason to make a deal other than adding more pop to the middle of the lineup.
i didnt know
it was automatially picked up if he’s traded. in that case there is no way we do this.
by drumzalicious on Aug 16, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
we’ll probably DH Chipper.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 16, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
For what?
If you’re talking about the contracts, just search cots and the team you want to see a deal for.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY?!
why don’t we just move prado to 3rd and infante perm at 2nd?! Infante is killing the ball and at this rate, will win the batting title. If you had A Ram, you destroy that chance and take away a really good hitter out of the lineup.
Infante will never get the PAs to qualify.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny?
But where does Manny fix the situation on the infield? Has he ever played 3rd?
agh
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but it does fix out middle of the order. Leave Infante at 2nd and Prado at 3rd. We don’t necessarily have a hole in the infield. We have a hole in our middle of the order. You can also move Hinske to 1st with a platoon with Glaus.
yeah there isn’t a problem with the infield, but there is no offense whatsoever right now. we need a bat and if that bat is being used for power and from the right side of the plate it adds even more value
On Conrad’s homer:
"Man, I want to give him a kiss. Tell him I’ll buy him a beer on the next plane flight." - Tim Hudson 8/13/10
great idea
let’s just trot 9 left fielders out and see what happens.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about??? Hinske is an improvement defensively over Glaus at 1st. Who are the 9 left fielders?
my bad. I misread your comment.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Aug 17, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Just don’t see it from the Braves perspective. A guy who has proven he quits on his team and teammates is not the typical ballplayer the Braves want or like, can you recall Yunel Escobar? Don’t see that happening at all!
Try the reply. We’re not signing him long term. It’s just for the rest of the season and Manny is playing for another contract. He should be motivated.
WON'T HAPPEN
It doesn’t matter, Braves don’t like the attitude. He’s not worth it at all!
If they wanted that kind of salary, Aramis is better option, and can fill the void at third and keep the bench strong with Infante, Conrad, Diaz and Hinske.
Aramis’ salary is ALOT more than Manny’s. Manny’s commitment would be around $3mil for this season. Aramis would be around 2 plus $16 mill for next season with buyout!!!! No Thank You!
What if Chipper does come back as he intends to, what do you do with Aramis and his $16 mill salary?
Move it. I’m sure someone will pick it up if you make the right offers. I am not saying I am for the Aramis deal, due to the fact the Braves won’t want to be in that exact position, but I don’t think Manny is on their radar at all either he just doesn’t fit the mold for a Braves player. If we got Manny and he hit hard then ya I’d like it. I am just not so sure about how well he’d perform for the Braves!
Get it done Frank!!
at this point in the year you need to play for this year. It will be worth it if he falls through.
On Conrad’s homer:
"Man, I want to give him a kiss. Tell him I’ll buy him a beer on the next plane flight." - Tim Hudson 8/13/10
Bowman
Bowman agrees with the part that the Braves are saving for a deal but not necessarily for Aramis with his Options it would cause more problems come next year if Chipper does come back. If he doesn’t though It would be a great deal. Nearly the same salaries.
Infante
Infante leads off with a triple and Heyward cleans it up with a RBI Sac Fly! Braves and Dodgers tied at 1 in the sixth!
MLBTR says Clint Barmes
On Conrad’s homer:
"Man, I want to give him a kiss. Tell him I’ll buy him a beer on the next plane flight." - Tim Hudson 8/13/10
F_ck Barmes.....
He doesn’t improve this team in the slightest.
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of immediately becoming our best backup at 2B and SS.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, Hicks can equal his production....
…and he’s cheaper.
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no
On Conrad’s homer:
"Man, I want to give him a kiss. Tell him I’ll buy him a beer on the next plane flight." - Tim Hudson 8/13/10
he is not worse than hicks
On Conrad’s homer:
"Man, I want to give him a kiss. Tell him I’ll buy him a beer on the next plane flight." - Tim Hudson 8/13/10
No way in hell he has a 734 OPS by the end of the year.
That’s Barmes’ three year track record. Hicks can’t even do that in AAA.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That does show that Barmes is better than Hicks.
It also shows that Barmes is useless. When you have a three year track record of a .734 OPS at Coors, you just aren’t any good. Remember, while it is better than what Hicks can do, .734 is bad OPS.
Out of a backup MI?
You could do way, WAY worse.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Barmes is just bad.
I have a bet with a guy in my fantasy league—-I spot the guy .025 OPS points and it is Barmes vs. .200 hitting Andruw Jones. I am winning easily. That just about says it all.
And DOB saying they're interested...
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
All I can say is...
I really hope this doesn’t come back to bite us in the a*s down the road! I don’t know much about these kids, but I have heard alot of good about them and have had hope that they would be in the minors soon!
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Aug 16, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
+12,000
Wren should be signing these young guys, Infante, Prado and Conrad bring as much to the stadium as this waste of money.
Heyward is pretty good
...and Conrad doubles in that very stadium
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Conrad may not be the best player on the field, but he tries hard, hustles and has won us a few games this year. It doesn’t bug me at all to see him playing 3rd.
Heyward is pretty good
Me either....
…..at least until Prado returns. Don’t want to take AB’s away from a guy hitting .340
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You certainly don't care about MI defense.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish you knew anything about baseball.
To each their own, I say.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you freaking blind dude, I prefaced the post with “I’m stupid I guess”, you jumping on it is very Richard-like
Heyward is pretty good
The reply button seemed to work.
No sense in whining about it.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this is Bobby’s last ride but we still have to think about our future… Maybe I don’t know much about this stuff!
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Aug 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That was just a depth move....
….it’s not like they gave up much for them.
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They gave up a promising 20 yr old lefty reliever and took on unnecessary salary. I really believe those two guys actually make the team worse if that’s possible.
Was never big on Collins....
….and with the Braves pitching depth, they were just hoping to catch lightening in a bottle with Ankiel. He’s not all that bad against righties….
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because you didn't like him doesn't mean he wasn't a very good prospect, witch he is.
His #’s are great & he has good stuff. FarnsworthLess & RA are not good players.
They didn't have to be.
They came in to replace shitty players, Chavez and McLouth respectively. Any improvement over shitty is an upgrade.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's getting old quickly.....
……especially considering that Melky has been hitting pretty well over the past month or so.
by Undocorkscrew on Aug 16, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about worse!
I know Rick has not set the world on fire but he has not been the Mcblackhole.
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Aug 16, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
They probably wanted a proven ML pitcher that could pitch in a playoff race
by Braves24 on Aug 16, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And not only CAN...
But who has done it. Here.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Conrad
Conrad might have cost the Braves a game this time two errors by Conrad leave the Braves down 3-1.
There IS a problem with playing two journeyman bench players as starters.
Particularly when you’re trying to win a division.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 16, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante….
"No. Lonely people mixing with one another? Breeding? Creating an even lonelier generation? You're not even allowing natural selection do its work. Pssh. You're like the guy who invented the seat belt."
Dwight Schrute
What's your point?
He’s been a decent bench player who’s bounced around the league. That kinda defines journeyman.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
no then your definiton of journeyman different then mine. Conrad played eight years in the minors before reaching the majors
That's a AAAA player to me.
You have to at least make it to the bigs to be a journeyman.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just had the very same thought, I would love to get Aramis though he would be huge for this team this year and beyond what is contract length after this season ?? Anyone know ?
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Aug 16, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder who is another big money guy to plug in there..
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Aug 16, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
I would rather have Kelly Johnson, Sabol, and Alvord then Aramis Ramirez or Barmes. Better bat, same lousy glove plus he can be offered arbitration, traded, or released at seasons end.
hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous
"Lousy glove?"
His defense is ten times better than Prado. His range is farther than a step and a half in either direction.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Aramis Ramirez has an 387 OBP and 593 SLG since he came back from the disabled list in June. Since 2004 his worst wOBA and wRC have been in 2006 (.381 and 128) That’s an elite bat. The glove is below average, but the bat will make up for it in excess.
He’ll be a hell of an acquisition. He’ll be better than Chipper Jones. That also would move Chipper to 1st next year and give Freeman another year of development, which he needs.
The question is, Do the Braves have the money to do this?
by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Have you seen his home/away splits?
They are terrible, for many years also. He’s not good away from wrigley field.
by traderchris on Aug 16, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FF is not looking like he needs that at all. Chipper at 1st is a bad idea.
by FitzFan on Aug 16, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, two things: What makes you think Chipper would play 1st? And what makes you think Freeman needs another year of development?
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Chipper has never played first base as a professional. So unless “much younger” means high school, I don’t know where you getting that.
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by cbwilk on Aug 17, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Money?
They will if they keep pack’n them in…well over 30k in the seats tonight..on a Monday when most K-12 schools starting….it had to be more than tourists in the seats! Am I on the right track or is this gate money not spent for a while?
by bravestatoo on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No way dude, move Chipper to SS and we’ll have a left side that can fucking MASH.
Chipper’s played there before… it wouldn’t a thing.
by get swoll yunel on Aug 16, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is, Do the Braves have the money to do this?
I pray to god we don’t.
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by Scott Coleman on Aug 17, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones has already said he won't (or maybe can't) play first.
There is more delicate footwork there, which will be bad for his bad feet and knee. Also, why do you think Freeman needs another year? He’s tearing the cover off the ball as a 20-year-old in AAA.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Shot in the Dark Question
Anyone know if Chipper’s contract might be insured at all against a season ending type of injury? I can see why it wouldn’t be given the age at which he signed it and past injury history, especially on this knee, but just curious. Reason it pops in my head is that it feels really frustrating to be potentially so tight on money that we’d have to cancel a 6 figure contract to make a move. Seems like we should have a little more payroll flexibility than that this year, and it doesn’t feel great to lost a first round type talent who had agreed to a deal. Signs seem to point to payroll being on a steady decline under the facade of holding steady.
That said, I think that Aramis Ramirez would be a strong addition if we are able to make that move.
There's stipulations and things
Like, if it’s an existing condition that the team knows about when they sign a player (like if he’s coming off of surgery, or if he has chronic knee problems) the insurance people won’t sign off on it. But Chipper’s deal should cover the time that he’s missing. That doesn’t justify paying $16 million to Aramis NEXT year, though, since Chipper will be back.
The odds of Chipper's contract being insured are almost nill.
Given his injury history, nobody would have insured that one.
You really think so?
We had insurance on Hampton’s deal, for christ’s sake.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
To give everyone an update:
In a G-Braves win, McLouth goes goes 2-4 with a HR and 6 RBI. Prado, batting third (with defensive innings at second and third), goes 1-4. Barbaro had another HR (10) and Freeman had another hit to extend his hitting streak. Redmond got roughed up, but Proctor got the win and Kimbrel got the save.
I wouldn’t mind all of those names coming up in September.
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by Wren_and_Stimpy on Aug 16, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
When is the last date for a player to be in the roster
to be eligible to play in the postseason?
This year
it would be Tuesday, August 31.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Which is true…to an extent… The reality is that a player only has to be in your organization by August 31, he doesn’t necessarily have to have been on your Major League roster. The loophole is that any player on the disabled list can be replaced with a player who was in your organization by that deadline. And this means any player on the DL, even if the guy has been there all year. A great example of a guy who was on a post season roster because of this loophole: David Price. He didn’t make his debut until September 14th, but because the Rays had players on the DL he was able to be put on the roster to take one of their spots.
So while the Braves couldn’t pick up a player from a different organization after August 31sth and have him on the post season roster, a guy like Freeman could end up not making his debut until after September 1st and still find his way onto a post season roster.
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Did not know that. Thought it was 8/31 for everybody.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
While yes getting Ramirez is a good move
Changing your mind about signing Alvord reeks of bad ethics. If a deal was in place, this is no better than a college coach pulling a scholarship.
It's hard to say what's been most impressive. The seamless jump from AA? The ability to hit for average? The ability to hit for power? The 18 walks in 111 trips to the plate? The flair for the dramatic? When you're trying to isolate the most impressive aspect of Jason Heyward's game, there's a lot to choose from, and it's only been a month and a half.
or that damned Fookie-fuck-over.
Everyone gets two free stupid comments. After that, I start charging.
by Wren_and_Stimpy on Aug 16, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Braves are the ones taking back the deal they had agreed upon, not MLB. It’s pretty classless, but what else do you expect from Frank Wren?
I’m sorry, do we have such a track record that I’ve never heard of? If anything, the Braves have been the victims of a couple of agents that shopped their clients after a deal was made (Furcal), but that a pretty strong off-handed comment to make.
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not really
FW has a long history of assholery. look it up.
by kbertling353 on Aug 17, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on?
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
of classless?
letting tom glavine go after telling him he would come back to the bigs after his last rehab start…then talking about how he was garbage for the next week…that was pretty classless…
by forgotten_glory on Aug 17, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Glavine was so offended that he came back to work with the team less than a year later. I saw him sitting at a game with Wren.
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As did Smoltzie...
While I wasn’t terribly happy with the Glavine situation, it speaks volumes that both players who left unceremoniously returned to the Braves promptly.
As an aside, I don’t want a lovey-dovey GM…He has to make tough decisions, so sometimes it takes a heart of coal to make moves one needs to make…
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I’m sure John Schuerholz was a dick all the time. Heck, David Justice still won’t have anything to do with the Braves because Shuerholz is around.
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A: He told him no such thing.
B: He said no such thing.
Glavine was on track to be called up, then hurt his shoulder. By the time he finally was healthy, Hanson was a better option. No fault of Wren’s, and Glavine (who made nearly $130 million(!!!) over the course of his career) surely got his puny mil back in salary as special assistant or whatever he is.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Intriguing....
My first reaction is to say no way. There are several contradicting posts on this thread with his contract terms/stipulations, but can anyone post exactly what the clauses are with a legitimate source?
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From Cot's
Aramis Ramirez 3b
5 years/$75M (2007-11), plus 2012 club option
re-signed by Cubs as a free agent 11/06
$5M signing bonus
07:$8M, 08:$14M, 09:$15.65M, 10:$15.75M, 11:$14.6M player option, 12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
full no-trade clause 2007-10, $1M assignment bonus if traded
Ramirez has right to void contract after 2010 & become a free agent
award bonuses: $75,000 each for Gold Glove or All Star selection, $0.25M for LCS MVP, $0.3M for MVP,$0.35M for WS MVP
Ramirez may void 2012 option, but doing so forfeits $2M buyout
2012 option becomes guaranteed if Ramirez:
wins one MVP in 2007-11, or
places 2nd or 3rd in MVP vote twice in 2007-11*, or
wins LCS MVP once in 2007-11, or
is an All Star 3 times in 2007-11*, or
is traded & Ramirez exercises 2011 option
*=not possible
Here’s your link.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
people don't understand that it is completely possible
for an idiot to run a multimillion dollar franchise
by kbertling353 on Aug 17, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
My first reaction was this...
Why on earth would anyone telegraph to the entire league “HEY: WE WANT RAMIREZ FROM THE CUBS — PLEASE BLOCK OUR WAIVER CLAIM!” ??? (especially the Cards). Granted, everybody knows that we could use a 3rd sackman, but sheesh.
Second reaction: surely the front office has enough budgeted for the separate purposes of draftee signings and late-season add-ons (especially expecting that Chipper’s salary is likely insured). Therefore, a lot of this story doesn’t really pass the smell test… not the Ramirez part — that actually makes reasonable sense to me: a lot could be done with that kind of a deal. But the money part seems too odd — and way too public.
The only way it might make sense is because so many signees have been inked this year, and maybe that budget has been spent… but even that would seem to be a reach., IMHO.
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Blocking Ramirez through waivers isn’t that simple. The team would have to be willing to take on his contract, which is substantial. The Cardinals need a third baseman anyway and would possibly have been inclined to claim Ramirez regardless of the Braves’ interest.
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Ramirez
has ALREADY passed through waviers.
IIRC, he’s cleared them. nobody wants to take on that option for next year and, possibly, the 2012. IF we have to take on that $, we’re either:
trading the Cubs crap (I’m talking Cody Johnson and that’s about it)
or
the Cubs are taking back an equally crappy contract (see KK or, could we be so lucky, Lowe)
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 17, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't find a source on this anywhere...
So I doubt he’s cleared waivers yet.
They don’t list out everyone that gets put on waivers, but they certainly report the people that clear.
-C
Incorrect.
He has not even been placed on waivers.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The sad thing is, that if this ridiculous report hadn’t come out, and the Braves didn’t sign these 2 players anyway, there could be all kinds of reasons, the money wasn’t right, they’d rather go to college, the Braves weren’t sold on them (at least not for a lot of money), that the deals didn’t go down. Now, because of this story brought about by an unnamed source, who may or may not be reliable, and may or may not exist, everyone will say the reason they didn’t sign Alvord and Sabol was because of Aramis Ramirez. Which is probably not the truth.
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Agreed 100%
Aramis Ramirez for 17 million is pretty fucking retarded.
I’m assuming this report is not true because it doesn’t make any sense. Or at least that’s what I’m hoping.
I really wanted Alvord and Sabol, though. If we’re only going to have an 85 million dollar payroll, at least spend some money in the draft. It’s the best way to keep a franchise healthy.
by kbertling353 on Aug 17, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
They spent plenty of money in the draft. They signed their first 16 picks. The final numbers aren’t in yet, but I’m betting that no other team can say that.
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Did they sign anyone for overslot money? They didn’t have a 1st rounder and their supplemental signed for slot money. I wouldn’t be surprised if they spent close to the least of any team of this year’s draft. Any way to verify this?
Yes, but it’s going to take a little while for all the numbers to come through.
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the number won’t tell you anything…When the Nationals spend 10M on a the first pick its hard to gauge the numbers apppropriately
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This. Also when a team like the Blue Jays has 5 picks in the first and supplemental round and they sign them all.
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ya so there’s no objective way to compare teams across the draft.
Also, there were a couple teams, who won’t admit it but Im convinced this wen through their mind, thought this was a weak class and would rather have two draft picks next year than overpay for a guy this year. so those kind of considerations are also in play
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needs to come out and clear this up
by drumzalicious on Aug 17, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
This...
A report based purely on conjecture has our fan base in a tizzy. Let’s just bring back Vinny Castilla and call it a day.
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Reporting info from a theorietically reliable souce (and you have no way to discredit it) is certainly more than conjecture.
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by MichaelProcton on Aug 17, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
only way
we could take on Aramis Ramirez for 2 seasons at that salary is if they took Lowe back in a deal. No other player on our team is making that much money
Also what do we do with Aramis in 2011 and 2012?
The Cubs aren't going to take Lowe.
Remember, they only do the deal for salary relief. If we give them Lowe, they get no salary relief. It just wouldn’t happen. Now, the Cubs will probably eat some salary (say Kawakami or McLouth, not both), but for the Cubs to do it without any salary relief would require us giving up a good prospect or two.
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