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The OFFICIAL Chipper Jones Thread
by Scott Coleman on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT
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PrintOkay guys, this is going up because I don't really want to see 8 Chipper-related FanPosts on the front page for the next week. If you have ideas on who should replace Chipper, your ideal new lineup, etc. please post it here. And if you do make a FP and it gets erased and put in here, you know why.
-Also, please rec this so it stays at the top. It's for my sanity and yours. Thank you.
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Chicagobullies deleted fanpost:
You think Chone would provide the best option to replace Chipper….He would add another element the Braves don’t have….Slide Prado down to the 2. spot, and J-Hey to the three, could it work? whats the best move made or possibly unmade for this costly injury…..opinions, please let me know all thought and opinions If you are Frank Wren what do you do? inner or outer………trying to fullfill the 75 limmit so reiterating myself lol ….
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
Chunk's deleted fanpost:
Why not move Glaus to third he has played there his entire life. Freeman is swinging a hot bat in AAA and is a true 1Bman. The Braves are playing a ton of games at home in August this will create buzz and maybe even give JHEY a good friend to feed off of. If after a couple of weeks it dont work its Sept. and you can expand your bench and hope for the best. The more days you play bench guys as starters the more they get exposed and the league catches up to them. Thats my rant and take anyway.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
Glaus can’t play 1B these days. What makes you think he can play 3B?
by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Aug 12, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
BronxBraveFan's deleted fanpost
Okay – this is no fun. But what are we supposed to do? We have two allstar infielders, neither of whom is named Chipper Jones.
3B – Prado
2B – Infante
OR – we could make a drastic move by putting Glaus back at 3rd, shift Prado over to first, keep Infante at 2nd OR move Infante to 3rd, Prado stays at 2nd. OR we could do what i originally suggested and bring Freddie Freeman up OR any of the above (and we’re leaving Hinske out of the mix).
Let’s not worry quite yet. We can still take this down with or without Chipper.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
Prado's career batting average at third base is?
4/4/10
The Braves will win 90 games this year.
BEEMER BENZ OR BENTLY
does that really matter?
I mean how does playing a different position affect how you approach an AB?
by drumzalicious on Aug 13, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
It doesnt. I was just being a pest.
4/4/10
The Braves will win 90 games this year.
BEEMER BENZ OR BENTLY
Matt Young is an average outfielder. He doesn’t play the infield.
by Alvaro Andres Pizza Varela on Aug 12, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Glaus is not playing third
He will never play third again. This is not an option.
What are we going to do?
Win this one for Chipper
Assuming we don't add anyone:
Prado
Infante/Young
Heyward
McCann
Glaus
Hinske/Diaz
Gonzalez
Ankiel
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
I want to see what Heyward could do in the 3 spot
I like this lineup, it could get it done when the right people are hot.
by steeeeezzzzzz on Aug 12, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think
Heyward is going to go nuts for the rest of the season.
To be perfectly honest, it’s his and BMac’s team now.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 12, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think alot of the people are just gonna go all out now
Im sure they already were for Bobby, but now for Chipper as well.
by steeeeezzzzzz on Aug 12, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think?
Sunday scene….chipper walking around in the clubhouse/dugout in a cast up to his bunicles! = inspiration, inspiration….The Bats came alive and we thrashed the dodgers….
He is talking like he wants to make it back to the team by the playoffs!!!!! He let it leak to the Sports south that he is three weeks ahead of schedule??
by bravestatoo on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we too short of veteran presence?
Is this a tangible, possible thing (i’m not sure, personally)? Do we need another heavy bat- possibly one that would require a difficult trade with legitimate prospects involved (maybe not even now, maybe this offseason)? Does this in any way dilute or divert your crush on Werth?
"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair
I was thinking the same thing. Heyward seems to thrive under pressure (i.e. his first at bat, his numerous late inning game-tying or winning hits, and I would even include his latest home run because it was his birthday and everyone had been talking about his homerless streak). I think moving him to the third spot, with two great on-base guys in front of him, is going to make him step up and take the team on his shoulders. And, with Chipper still on the bench to help him, I think he will be able to handle it.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Aug 13, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
its B-Macs team
not the rookies team….he has yet to prove him self for an entire year of play….to say heyward is a captain of this team is rediculous
I bought the Braves for two reasons. To get an autographed baseball without pleading for it and to get good seats.
Ted Turner
put chipper in a wheelchair and play him! I’m such a genius.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
My predition
Chone Figgins. No reason. Not even opining as to if this is good or bad (it depends on the deal for me). It’s merely a prediction.
That is all.
As for Chipper, he is irreplaceable. In fact, if it were up to me, I would just remove third base altogether and just play with 1st, 2nd and home. This would allow the Braves to never have to have another 3rd baseman and would have the added benefit of helping us drive in more runs with singles!
I hope it's OK if I put this here too - since it's the "official" thread and all . . ;-)
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2010 – Keep the Momentum going and …
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
by NCChopper on Aug 12, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha it's "official"
because I was just trying to keep the FanPost traffic down.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 12, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelly Johnson clears waivers, we trade for him and move Prado to third. Chipper is activated to pinch hit for the World Series, and pulls a Kirk Gibson in Game 7.
Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.
Where is Justincredubil??
You had him at Kelly Johnson.
In all seriousness, would like to see this happen, but I don’t see it.
by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 12, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No way KJ clears waivers.
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he clears waivers...
Not a big contract, fairly versatile player having a decent season. With us riding so far back in the waiver pack, I don’t see him making it that far back. His remaining salary is probably < 1MM, small enough for another contender to absorb.
-C
Has anyone else paid attention to Kelly’s home-road splits? His OPS is just above 1.000 at home, just above .700 on the road…
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That huge of a difference? As of today, we’re talking 70 points on his average, 79 points on his OBP (which means he’s not walking much more at home), 197 points on his slugging (!!!), and .276 points of his OPS. These aren’t insignificant differences. We’re talking huge numbers. On the road he’s slugging right at .400, and in Arizona’s banbox that’s nearly up to .600. On the road he’s the player we all think he is, a slightly above average player, at home he’s just getting a huge boost from that joke of a ballpark.
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His career splits are about the same.
A guy just doesn’t become a H/R hitter in 1 season.
KJ has 7 HR on the road and 11 at home – not that big of a deal.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 16, 2010 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No, his career splits are not about the same. in 1169 plate appearances at home he has a .273/.362/.455/.817 line, compared to .263/.341/.433/.774 in 1229 plate appearances on the road. That’s a 10 point difference in average (much much less than the 70 points this year), 19 points in OBP (much much less than the 79 points this year), 22 points in SLG (a ridiculous amount less than the 197 points this year) and 43 points in OPS (again, a ridiculous amount less than the 276 points this year). The numbers aren’t even close to his career averages and it’s hard to find stats to support that he isn’t getting a huge boost by Arizona’s ballpark.
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That’s not what I was saying. I was saying that for his career, his H/R splits are not dramatically different from each other.
Sure, he is benefitting from Arizona – just like anyone who plays there, but a park doesn’t typically affect OBP as much as power.
KJ’s hit 7 HR away and 11 at home. The big difference is in his doubles totals.
Can that be entirely contributed to the home park? He is driving the ball
I haven’t looked it up yet, but what is his BABIP split this season?
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
His home BABIP is .361, his road .BABIP is .303. For his career his home BABIP is .313, his road BABIP is .318. I’m not an expert with this stat, but I think that reaffirms that Arizona is helping him out immensely.
And you say his OBP wouldn’t be affected by the home park, but it’s 79 points higher at home. The difference in batting average is 70 points, so I guess really he’s only getting on 9 points higher at home. But still, the hits are dropping at home and not on the road. And have been for the whole season. This isn’t a trend he’s had through his career, and one that likely wouldn’t continue if he left Arizona.
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Interesting.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 16, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 16, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubly interesting apparently.
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Word.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 16, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Rockies slide...
Melvin Mora for utility role??
He can start everywhere but SS in the infield, he’s putting up decent numbers in the UT role for the Rockies this season, he’s affordable. Career numbers match his season numbers. Might get claimed before us, might not. OLD, but another veteran presence.
Not flashy at all, but serviceable in a utility role. Prado and Infante can handle starting duties.
-C
What would it take to get Ian Stewart?
Besides the fact that he would be on waivers for a thousandth of a second?
"Voetbal is pas totaal als je wint"- Coach Adun
"The greatest sin is to spurn the gift"- Coach Alistair
A miracle in August
They like him quite a bit, he’s cheap and under team control. I don’t see him moving anywhere for a couple years at least, when he gets to the end of his arbitration. But you never know.
-C
Interesting...
I went to Giants game last Friday night. Something happened in that game that was overshadowed by the weather, Glavine, and the blown save. Chipper hit a solo HR.
Now, with this horrible news, that HR and RBI may be the last of his career, and I didn’t even pay much attention to it at the time…
I was there too, and was thinking about it just now. Nice to see one more homer live.
Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.
We aren't done.
We aren’t out of it…No matter what Phillies fans say. We have Prado, Infante, and Conrad to take over 3rd, and those are all solid options. Losing Chipper hurts – badly – but he isn’t the only guy on the team.
We gotta win the whole thing.
Go Braves.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
Our Pitching will be the reason why we are still in it...
Hudson, JJ, Hanson, Venters, Saito, and Wagner. Pitchers have more impact on whether a team wins or not.
by romone_braves91 on Aug 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re forgetting about Venters’ arm falling off at the end of the month.
Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.
I don’t understand why comments like these are an everyday thing. Venters used to be a starter, so he has pitched a lot more innings in a year than he is going to this year. Not to mention, once EOF gets back, Venters will go back to getting regular days off. His arm will be fine.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
by sleezer1788 on Aug 13, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Comments like this
fail to recognize that there is a difference between starting and relieving. Starters don’t go out and pitch all out every single day. They are very regimented. Relievers have to be ready to go out on any day, so their workouts between appearances is different. Either way, riding relievers like Cox does with Venters isn’t good for any arm. Just because he was a starter doesn’t make his arm invincible.
by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sign Francoeur and turn him into a pitcher.
I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away
I actually suggested that
when Frenchy began to struggle as a hitter. Send him to the minors and convert him. God knows he has the arm. Call it the reverse Ankiel.
by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Testing out my first ever signature...
I think it fits nicely.
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
FW on Chipper
" Braves will decide tomorrow about how to handle a possible replacement for Chipper"
Glaus is not the answer because of his bad knees. This does not change the plans concerning FF.
These are some of the things he said in the news conference per Gondeee
I don’t know what he means by the FF comment. Unless, they still have no plans to bring him up, just a guess.
If he does...
Chone would be a great addition for this year, but his contract continues to pay him high as he ages away. Probably not the best idea in the long term.
At first I wanted Aramis Rameriz, but I soon found out that his option next year is a players option and is worth 14.5 million that he will likely pick up. Then, Figgins sounded like a good idea. There was some rumors going around at the trade deadline about the Mariners and Braves talking about Figgins, so the idea sounded even better. I knew he had a big contract, but I found out that he is 32. He has been a good player the past few years, but his game relies on speed and it will be difficult for him to regain his form and keep his production from dropping. So, as a right now I would like to get Wigginton. He could play 2B and Prado would slide over to 3B. If the Mariners, eat some salary then I wouldn’t mind Figgins but I don’t see that happening.
Figgins is 32?
Didn’t know that…Hmmm…Easily verifiable fact that I did not check…
IF the Mariners take back a large contract (like KK’s, for example) or eat some of the payment…I still like Figgins.
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
The Cyborg weighs in:
CyborgHanson48 SHALL TRIBUTE TO HUMAN JONES LARRY AKA CHIPPER VIA CONSUMING MANY UNITS OF SHOTDRINK + SHALL ORDER ANOTHER SHOTDRINK TO POUR ON GROUND
Coming soon: winningugly visits Atlanta, takes dump in royhobbs’ Braves hat.
that wacky Cyborg....
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I am not advocating this at all,
but I wonder if Alex Rodriguez will be placed on waivers, and if so, if anyone will claim him. The Yankees almost certainly wouldn’t let him go in any scenario, but I’m just curious.
Again, I don’t think it would be worth it to claim him long-term (he’d sure help us this year, though), but with that contract, he almost has to make it through waivers, right? Just thought I’d mention this here, since it’s about a third baseman and I’ve been wondering about it.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
That would immediately put the Braves payroll up to around $120 million. He would take up a full 1/4 of the entire payroll approximately. How ridiculous is that?
by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 13, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering his age and probable future production...
which is below his production of the last 5 years, it’s pretty ridiculous.
by Mr. Sanchez on Aug 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
C McCann
1B Hinske
2B Infante
SS Gonzalez
3B Conrad
LF Diaz
CF Ankiel
RF Heyward
C Ross
INF Hernandez
INF Hicks
OF Cabrera
PH/1B Glaus
Hold that until Prado comes back. Then put Prado at 3B, Conrad on the bench, and Hicks in AAA.
Have Glaus start at 1B vs. LHP and play Pinch Hitter Extraordinaire until he quits limping.
Figgins would be nice, but he would have to clear waivers, and we don’t really have the money for him, and he isn’t worth giving up anything good for. Ditto for Wigginton and Uggla.
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Aug 12, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
im wondering more about uggla?
why dont we trade for him and move prado to third?
because
If we trade for him we are going to have to chuck up some serious prospects
by drumzalicious on Aug 13, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Lowell???
Just tuning in after a long day but I think he could clear waivers….
Whats wrong with Wes Timmons?
No one seems to be talking about him. He’s sportin a .400 OBP in the last 2 seasons. He could be like Conrad. Stuck with a career in the minors, so when he gets the chance, maybe he takes advantage. An OBP like that, even if it doesnt completely transfer (OBP of .360 wouldnt be too shabby down the stretch), plus he has stolen 19 bags this year so he has a little giddyup. If we are looking for a leadoff hitter and someone to step in without depleting the minor league system or really spending any money, this guy could be it. And if we dont use him as the leadoff as im sure we wouldnt just throw him in there, especially with prado well solidified in that role, imagine him as just a #8 hitter. Turns the lineup over, not exactly the prototypical good defensive black hole #8 spot. He would effectively clear the pitcher most of the time, getting the top of the lineup leading off innings more often than melky, ankiel, or douche towel alex gonzalez. The only thing I don’t know of is how he is defensively. And if he’s versatile enough to play any other positions. Thoughts?
1B, 2B, 3B I think
.290 / .400 / .400 /19SB / 8CS?
I like Timmons as a bench/utility guy after Prado comes back. Send Doiry back.
Depth
1B Glaus/Hinske/Timmons
2B Infante/Conrad/Prado/Timmons
SS Gonzalez/Infante
3B Prado/Conrad/Infante/Timmons
Bench
Ross, Hinske, Conrad, Timmons, plus one of Diaz, Cabrera, Ankiel.
Not the dream team, Timmons would bring us some speed.
Heyward is pretty good
I like Timmons over Hicks/Hernandez
but I don’t think he is better than Infante or Brooks. I hope they bring him up when the roster expands though as a utility infielder.
As far as his defense, you can look at his numbers here. Use this to help make sense of them.
The main thing he has going aganist him is that he isn’t on the 40 man roster already. I guess he could take Chipper’s spot though.
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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Aug 13, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I mentioned him in one of the front page threads as well – he seems to be flying under peoples radars… hopefully, he doesn’t fly under the radar of Braves management as he’s a definite upgrade over Hicks or Hernandez
"C'mon Chip!" Bobby Cox
by ByrneSupremacy on Aug 13, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
At least bring him up and see what happens whilst negotiating around the league.
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Wes is amazing defensively at third. Seriously one of the best fielders you could ever see. He can also play all the other infield positions and he’ll run through a brick wall for you.
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Chone Figgins
I hear everyone’s complaints about his contract. However, I do believe our GM would be smart enough to have them kick in some money. If that happens then I believe he would be our best option. I love Infante but I don’t want him starting every day simply because his versatility off the bench is amazing and I would love to keep him there.
I personally would like him to bat 2nd but with his speed advantage over Prado he could be a good lead off option as well. I’ve just become so fond of Prado in the lead-off spot and personally would keep him there.
We all know that Figgins is more comfortable at 3B and UZR has Prado with the advantage over Figgins at 2B anyhow.
Prado 2B
Figgins 3B
Heyward RF
McCann C
Glaus 1B
Hinske LF
Gonzalez SS
Ankiel CF
Pitcher.
If
the Mariners kick in money then I would be happy about the deal. My only concern is about a next year. Then again, Chipper wouldn’t be back until August/September so we would have a while to decide where he would play when Chipper returns.
I would think he would become a 2nd utility kind of guy upon Chipper’s return unless he’s raking.
Can he play CF/LF?
by drumzalicious on Aug 13, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
second utility kind of guy?
NO. Not with the contract he has. I would think he could slide over to LF
only
upon Chipper’s return because he would have no where to play. I doubt FW goes into next season with our current mess of an outfield. We will prob have a new CF and a full-time LF by the time next season starts.
by drumzalicious on Aug 13, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
All of this is completely irrelevant.
It is now being reported that nobody worth getting is making it through waivers this year. Ughh.
Yea kind of stupid why they would have to mention that BS! Any way get well soon Chip we will miss you GO BRAVES!!!
by cali viking on Aug 12, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Alex Remington
I really like him as a writer. He used to write the Chop’n’Change blog. I think he was just trying to tell the whole story.
by Andy Braves Fan on Aug 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Broxton blows save to Phils. So ugly.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
How the phuck do you blow a 7 run lead going into the 8th freakin inning. Unbelievable!!! Lets just hope for the best against the Dodgers
by PhuckthePhillies on Aug 12, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
to be honest
we kind of did it last year
you know when we had Gonzo as our closer . . . .
by drumzalicious on Aug 13, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
With a motivated team and a trashed Dodgers bullpen, Atlanta better be ready to bust out this weekend.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
"What was more odd than that pitch being low is that Jeff Francoeur didn't swing at it." -- Jim Powell, Aug. 4, 2010.
Can we also make a rule allowing no more “Troy Glaus to 3rd, Freeman to 1st” suggestions? I swear, anyone suggesting this is a) not a Braves fan or b) never watches any games.
Glaus to 3rd
BARBARO CANIZARES TO 1ST!!!!!!
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
also
allow no more Freeman to replace Glaus posts.
by drumzalicious on Aug 13, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
those “free freeman” posts r frustrating…
by forgotten_glory on Aug 13, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I entertained the idea of Glaus to third, Freeman to first...
…in the past day, but having heard Wren’s comments, that’s a wrap on that. I figured if he could do it, they would know, and apparently they know, and the answer is no.
Anybody
Have a link to the FW press conference? Can’t seem to find one.
"Look out Atlanta. Jason Heyward is going to wow you."
-Chipper
UGGLA
Trade for UGGLA move Pradp to 3rd. Dan can fill the 3 hole in the line-up as well, which will take the pressure of doing too much off of Heyward.
Problem with any trade now
Is that we lost all our bargaining power. Teams know we are in first, with a hot Philly team trailing. We also lost Chipper. Their asking prices will be SKY high and higher. I think we sit still and use internal options unless we can get a decent upgrade at a reasonable price (unlikely).
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Generally speaking, you’re right. However, there are multiple options – including that of not doing any trade (may not be the best idea, but if teams are gonna holds their talent for ransom, then that’s the breaks).
For example:
Cubs/Ramirez – this may be the best option due to seller motivation. The Cubs are certainly looking to dump their bad contracts, and he’s one of them. His performance has been up and down, but seems to follow the fortunes of the team, so putting him on a competing club might be good. The Cubs should be willing to front half of his remaining contract through 2011 to foster a deal.
Mariners/Figgins – I don’t like this since his contract extends 3 more years, and he’s underwhelmed everyone this year immediately after signing it. Nonetheless, Seattle should be motivated to move him… but I don’t know that I’d do that except for very little in return.
The trouble with either of these two is that you have to expect a Chipper return in 2011. That creates a logjam at third… unless you have a priori info from Chipper that he would not expect to return.
Therefore, let me propose a few others for which that would not be an issue:
Tigers/Inge: Brandon Inge is just becoming available after a broken left hand. He is also a 2011 free agent. His numbers are actually close to Chipper’s this year… kinda… .250/.327/.392 slugging (only 6 homers after 27 last year).
Red Sox/Beltre: well… he’ll be a Type A Free Agent, hitting .331 and slugging .567, so this would truly be an expensive rental if the Red Sox concede the AL East.
Tigers/Jhonny Peralta: Acquired from the indians near the deadline as a fill-in/rental. Might be harder to get through waivers than Inge, but certainly Detroit has to know that they can part with one of these two at this point – they’re 9-1/2 back.
Red Sox/Lowell: you’d think something could be done here.
Unfortunately, the NL options are few for free agent 3B guys… most good ones are on teams in the hunt. Melvin Mora is the closest to an option… and I wouldn’t go there.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
"What was more odd than that pitch being low is that Jeff Francoeur didn't swing at it." -- Jim Powell, Aug. 4, 2010.
From what I have heard...
…none of those guys will make it through waivers. Aramis is the only possibility. Maybe Lowell, but I doubt it. Beltre, Inge, and Figgins certainly did not if MLBTR’s report is accurate. (They reported that a major league official said there had been a ton of waiver claims made the last couple of days and basically nobody worth getting made it through waivers.)
Curious – though not terribly surprising. Wonder what team would call a waiver-claim bluff first and say “you want him? you got him!”.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
"What was more odd than that pitch being low is that Jeff Francoeur didn't swing at it." -- Jim Powell, Aug. 4, 2010.
im waiting on that as well
if all of these bad contracts are being claimed then I would only guess that these teams would dump these players. I think Lowe would have been gone ASAP
by drumzalicious on Aug 14, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Literally
Nothing is going to happen. I do not think a move will be made. Expect Omar/Brooks at 3B the rest of the way.
Hicks has been called up
to replace Chipper
"C'mon Chip!" Bobby Cox
by ByrneSupremacy on Aug 13, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
…….
seriously
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
sadly
http://twitter.com/Braves/status/21076645711
Obviously, not much is thought of Young, Timmons et al…
"C'mon Chip!" Bobby Cox
by ByrneSupremacy on Aug 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
When I saw the name of this thread I thought it was going to be a post where we could all share our memories about how amazing Chipper has been over the years, maybe share a few stories of our experiences with him or while watching him. Instead, it’s just more rosterbation…
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No, sorry
I made one similar to Matt’s post for 1B.
I’m sure we’ll have one for Chipper one day…
"Based on stereotypes that are totally untrue and I do not agree with, you would maybe-not be a very good driver..."
"Oh man am I a woman?!"
by Scott Coleman on Aug 13, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Figgins speculation has returned...
This time for Kawakami…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/chone-figgins-kenshin-kawakami.html
-C
You're right...
It’s merely speculation. Rarely do you see trades like these come to fruition. I still think it makes sense, but I know many others aren’t so sure. The more I think about it, the more I don’t think the Braves will make any external moves.
"You can't print what I said, but they have to catch us." - Chipper Jones
Anybody else watch the Chipper/Wren press conference just now?
Sounds like he has the full intention of trying to return next season.
"Look out Atlanta. Jason Heyward is going to wow you."
-Chipper
Any details? Like whether that intention is driving the Braves’ options in any particular direction (such as using internal/temporary solutions vs. pursuing a trade)?
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
"What was more odd than that pitch being low is that Jeff Francoeur didn't swing at it." -- Jim Powell, Aug. 4, 2010.
Wren was very vague when it came to replacing him
Pretty much just said that and Infante/Prado at 2B/3B is a good option to have but that they’d also check out the waiver wire. No names mentioned and they only discussed it for a few sentences.
"Look out Atlanta. Jason Heyward is going to wow you."
-Chipper
Chipper WILL NOT retire after this season
He has said he will make a comeback, so everyone that says they think should or he will retire get that thought at of your mind. IMHO it was a very stupid thought
by Braves24 on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Chipper coming to Spring Training
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5462016
WOO-HOOOOO!!!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 14, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
HaHaHa, I knew this on the 12th (Thurs) ;-)
http://tinyurl.com/3yqlcha (scroll to the bottom)
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
DAMN IT!
I HAD THIS AWESOME IDEA FOR A FANPOST AND IT WOULDA TOTALLY BEEN THE SHIZZLE FO NIZZLE. IT WOULD SAY TRADE 4 BELTRE AND PLAY HIM CUZ HE GOOD.
I can’t believe you totally took the wind out of my sails with this. My ego may never again be the same.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Things the lineup does NOT need:
1. More left handed hitters
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Laroche is destroying LHP
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Aug 16, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper at the game (the day after surgery) - how good was that to see!
I am excited to hear that Chipper feels the day after the surgery that he’s already 3 weeks ahead of where he was last time, especially when you consider he’s a lot older now too. A lot of guys would have stayed home and rested with that leg up on a pillow in a recliner, taking it easy…but Chipper was with the team, encouraging them.
The post game interview with Chip Caray was nice to see. Very candid. He still has the desire to play again and go out on his own terms. I support him 100% in that.
With Chipper getting 6 months to rest his whole body – he may come back closer to the 2008 Chipper than the 2010 version.
Wouldn’t THAT be awesome!
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
That was impressive. I was hopped up on meds and definitely couldn’t walk anywhere after I had ACL surgery.
Chipper is a man’s man.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Aug 16, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
♥ Chipper
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by bestbostonsports on Aug 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
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