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Braves Quote For The Day III... Mike Minor's Ceiling

From Baseball America's top-25 mid-season chat with John Manuel, here is his answer about what Mike Minor's ceiling could be.

Minor, to me, is in a similar spot to where he was in the summer of 2008, when he was our summer college POY and ace of Team USA. He was in our Top 10 college prospects at that time; then he went and messed with a curveball in fall ball as a junior, his arm angle went up, and he lost the life on his fastball, slider and change. Instead of a guy with an avg fastball, avg. slider and plus change, he became a four-pitch guy with no plus pitch. He's ditched the curve, and his stuff is sharper. I don't think anyone was anticipating his velo jump, not even the Braves, but I got several reports he's hitting 95-96 mph consistently. As a result, he's not quite throwing as many strikes as he used to. For me, he's more of a No. 3 starter now - chance to be a 2 if he maintains the velo and improves his control. When he was drafted, I thought he was a No. 4 at best.

I'm starting to re-think my assessment of Minor with these good reports, and with his success in triple-A. I still think Teheran, Arodys, and Randall are ahead of him, as with Freddie, but to call Mike Minor the fifth-best prospect in our system is quite something. A tip of the cap to the Braves scouting and development folks too, for seeing that by cutting out a pitch Minor could actually be a more effective pitcher.

There's a lot of quotable stuff today, busy for a Friday.

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by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s like being the fifth hottest model at the Ford agency. Sure, there are four in front of you, but you’re all flyin’ pretty high.

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by Sam Jethroe on Jul 9, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Tough decision for the FO. Do you keep your only starting LHP with loads of potential or get somebody who can help us win? But it helps we have so many starters now, and our pitching depth for the Minors is pretty sick.

by ZC1 on Jul 9, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Trade him for a hitter.

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by cbwilk on Jul 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

boo

he allows you to trade a starter in the off season, and get a much better package PLUS the savings of a cheap starter.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 9, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But teams are SO much less desperate in the offseason.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Braves have a chance to win the WS this year, but without another good hitter it’s not that high of a chance. They can’t trade for someone in the offseason who will help them win this year’s WS.

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by cbwilk on Jul 10, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Corey Hart? Dejesus? These aren't the guys that are going to make a difference. Now if you can include Minor in a deal for say Mike Bourn of the Astros, I'd be more inclined to move minor

by McCann's the Man on Jul 10, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

Bourn’s young and cheap, but I don’t know if I trust that bat.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 10, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much of a hitter but with the speed and defense he brings, he’d be the solution to our CF mess for years to come. I wouldn’t be willing to trade Vizcaino, Teheran, or Delgado but Minor I’d definitely consider

by McCann's the Man on Jul 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have much faith in Schafer...

But I think he can get himself back up to what Bourn can offer.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 10, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s to say what the market is? Just cause a bunch of sports writers have guessed about who’s available doesn’t mean they’re the only guys.

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by cbwilk on Jul 10, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep

Doesn’t that ceiling sound a lot like JJ only from the left side. Pair that with Tommy and you have a good stable future for your pitching staff. I am of the opinion that with Minor being so close and left handed, that he should be untouchable along with Teheran and Freeman.

by JFP on Jul 9, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Bowman not only agrees, but says he thinks the Braves do, too.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if Medlen is the real deal

That gives us three under-25 starters, along with Vizciano, Delgado, Teheran, and Minor as good pitching prospects. We are stacked at pitching.

by ZC1 on Jul 9, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That's why you can't trade him for rental

This dude is supposedly really good. I would like to see what he can do in the Majors. Only reason to trade him away is for a top 25 player with years in control power.

My 4 guys (Hudson, Hanson, Meds, JJ) can take on anybody's 4 guys (the MLB) and Victory will be ours!

by romone_braves91 on Jul 9, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Supposedly being the key word.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

TRADE??

I say keep him if you do not get a solid proven hitter for a few years. If it is a rental then forget about it.

by rcates on Jul 9, 2010 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

A little bit confused by this

He’s ditched the curve

Threw lots of curves Tuesday night, didn’t throw the slider.

by PWHjort on Jul 9, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Was this from a report, or where you at the game? I know sometimes when I’m at a game I’ll call a pitch one thing then ask the pitcher about it and he’ll call it something else. I don’t know what’s right, I’m just wondering where your info came from. When I saw Minor I didn’t see a curve, just fastballs and sliders.

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by cbwilk on Jul 9, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reputation of Minor's curve

is that it’s a bit slurvey, anyway. It might be a tough pitch to really make out.

I’ve heard that Minor also has a plus change.

by Bronn on Jul 9, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The curve he developed after his JR year and most scouts always said that it took away from his other offerings, so I am glad to hear he is finally ditching it to stick with the slider.

by yondaime4 on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

change is definitely a plus pitch

Good separation, fade, tumble, and command. Plus in every way.

by PWHjort on Jul 10, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd still trade JJ

Just my opinion but his trade value is really high and besides he’s going to become really expensive really fast AND Boras is his agent. JJ could net us that young power hitter that we’ve been looking for.

by Jay212033 on Jul 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Jurrjens will probably be making 10 to 15 times this years salary after arbitration. With as many bad contracts as we have for the next 2 years, I think he’s the pitcher to trade.

Heyward is pretty good

by bighop on Jul 9, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jurrjens is more of an offseason trade candidate

by McCann's the Man on Jul 10, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should not a pick in Minor's position BE in the top five of his org?

Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.

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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

on a lot of teams I think he might be 1 or 2 really, but the Braves depth makes him just 5th. Personally he was 3 on my list.

by yondaime4 on Jul 9, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

10th on mine.

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by cbwilk on Jul 10, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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