One Year Ago Tomorrow...
by gondeee on Jul 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
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PrintTomorrow is the one year anniversary of the Braves getting rid of the worst player on their team for the past four years, and shipping him to their division rival. Yes, July 10th, 2009 was when the Braves traded Jeff Francoeur to the Mets for Ryan Church and peace of mind to be named later.
In the last 161 games since that trade the Braves have posted a record of 94 wins and 67 losses, and to think that the Braves were 42-and-44 before they traded Francoeur.
Yes, there have been a lot of other changes, but that was a big one that needed to happen, and while many Braves fans still like Jeff Francoeur the person, they're glad that Jeff Francoeur the baseball player is not wearing an Atlanta uniform anymore.
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The Yankees just landed Cliff Lee…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
Is it official?
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
10:58am: The deal is ‘imminent,’ a source tells Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (Twitter link).
10:44: Catching prospect Jesus Montero and second base prospect David Adams will head to the Mariners, possibly with another prospect, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, who broke the story.
Not official yet, but it sounds pretty damn close.
I am glad the Yanks are getting him instead of the Mets. now the Yanks will trade Vaz, for a C most likely.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm
I have mixed feelings about this. I don’t like to see the Yankees loading up. But as you say, at least it’s not the Mets (or someone else we’re competing with for a playoff spot).
With Lee off the market, there really aren’t any impact players available.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But, this means that the Yanks will have to dump another starter. I don’t think anyone would take AJ, so that pretty much leaves Vaz.
But, with the Yanks losing Montero in this deal, and with Posada getting older by the second, they need a C in return.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Texas make a run for Vaz. Salty to the Yanks along with some other prospects for Vaz…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it certain the Phils will deal Werth and if so when?
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
It is not.
But they’ll probably consider it if they fall much further out of the race between now and the end of the month.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Droooools...
Can you imagine if the Phillies are 10+ games out of 1st at the trading deadline and offer to trade Werth for a pitching prospect? We keep lamenting over the lack of ideal options among OFs on the trading block, but I have to say – Werth would be close to ideal. I know it’d be a half season rental, and thus, it would be ill advised to give up the farm for him, but if the Phillies are that far out of contention and don’t think they can resign him, they just might give him up cheaply.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But how would you feel if that prospect ended up pitching exceptionally well against us four or seven times a season?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Salty is not the answer at C
or any other position. He’s never showed much of anything.
I don’t think the Yankees necessarily need a C. First off, I don’t think they planned on Montero staying there long-term. And second, they have a couple other decent C prospects, like Austin Romine. Or they could just sign a free agent (Victor Martinez?) or trade for someone. Plenty of other options.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 9, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think Cervelli is decent enough to hold down the fort for a year or so.
He’s not a Yankee-type hitter, but he’s good enough for a major-league catcher.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Saltalamacchia's value has been regarded lately as "between zero and negative."
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
From MLB Trade Rumors…
11:20am: The Mariners will obtain Montero and Adams plus another prospect, according Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter).
by ducheneaux13 on Jul 9, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
"piece of mind to be named later"
Nice. Really emphasizes how the trade was not made for baseball purposes (Church was clearly not a big part of the team’s plans). Instead, it was just a way for management to make the break up with Frenchy a bit easier. Trading him—even for nothing much—was definitely easier on Frenchy (and his fans) than non-tendering him or releasing him.
I always rooted for him, but I am so glad he’s not on our team any more.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
This.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting Francoeur off the field was certainly a baseball-motivated reason to get a deal done.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The feeling of knowing his AB was gonna be an automatic out
is liken to that of McLouth, Nate
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
I know ALOT of things have changed since he left, but 94 wins and 67 losses since his departure is pretty telling. As long as he doesn’t knock in the winning run to beat the Braves to the NL East title this year, no harm no foul.
If the Mets don’t land a SP, I wouldn’t worry too much about that.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree, starting tonight. Of course fate has its way, you know. Ha.
Agree with your Lee sentiment. He was headed somewhere, better off staying in the AL and not having to worry about it.
by CharlotteChop on Jul 9, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That is...
until we see him in the WS. ;-)
to be fair
Jeff hasn’t been all that bad with the Mets:
in 158 games his slash line is: .285/.324/.450 with an OPS + of 106. Basically the best he’s played since his rookie year, while providing solid D. Certainly a very avg. player, but it could have been worse, based on his previous couple years.
Having said that, he should probably never play vs. righties and hopefully that will be the case when Beltran gets back.
He overperformed in the 2nd half last year.
His numbers this year are much more typical (or his full numbers from all 2009). ie, they’re crappy. He’s not an average player, and I doubt that he ever will be for any extended stretch.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 9, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You can say that
but it doesn’t change what his numbers have been for the past full year. And he’ll soon have a secondary role where he mainly plays against lefties and he has hit lefties throughout his career.
The question then is, how does he handle a secondary role. Once the book was out on him and he started struggling, was no longer BMOC in Atlanta, and was asked to at the very least work on some things (albeit in AA) he soured on the whole organization. Do not underestimate the likelihood of that potentially happening again if he’s asked to be the next Matt Diaz.
by CharlotteChop on Jul 9, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we'll see
on that. But Pagan has played too well, and is not coming out of the lineup, especially vs. righties. If he doesn’t perform, the Mets can at least let him go at the end of the year with no harm done.
Exactly
His inflated self image is the root of most of his problems.
"You were not brought upon this world to 'get it', Mr. Burton. " - David Lo Pan
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 9, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course not.
But the fact remains that he’s had one good half-season in the last 3 and a half years. Focusing on just the past calendar year puts too much emphasis on his one hot streak and not enough on his overall level of crappiness. It’s just not accurate, in other words.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 9, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
fair points
but let’s not forget that his overall level of crapiness has still been superior to anything we have had in our entire outfield since the trade. Our outfield is one of the worst in baseball right now. We have a .688 OPS production level from the total outfield, and that’s with Heyward’s hot streak in May.
Saying Francoeur is not the longterm piece we hoped he would become is one thing; saying we are better off without him in the short term is much more speculative, especially considering the trade proposals floating around.
We're absolutely better without him.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Just the incessant headache of dealing with him was wearing us, and the team, down. Addition by subtraction.
"You were not brought upon this world to 'get it', Mr. Burton. " - David Lo Pan
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 9, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree, Matty D was pretty damn hot himself in the 2nd half last year. JHey was better in April & May. So I think we were & are better off w/o him.
by FitzFan on Jul 9, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know its only one play
but after your comment about defense, I couldn’t resist:
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
by Doghnut on Jul 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If catching the ball is so important
then why don’t they put it on the scoreboard?
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by PWHjort on Jul 9, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Genius!
You get a gold star.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say his fielding has been much closer to mediocre than solid.
He’s certainly nowhere near the player he once was in right field.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee
So what is it about the guy that has him going to his 4th team in two seasons. I can’t remember a perennial CYA or MVP candidate being passed around like this. Just bad contract timing? I don’t really get it.
Next item on list: Trade McLouth for anybody else.
Jason Heyward is the reason that Chuck Norris parks his car in a garage.
I’d do that in a heartbeat if they took Nate’s contract. We just DFA Francine the moment he gets to Atlanta.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
Phillies Baseball: Established - 2008
by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't it be "peace of mind"?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
I think it was a pun…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Please Omar.. Do this
If the mets trade for pitching.. Please let be Lilly… The last statement sounds par for the mets.. Guys fastball dropping off from 87 to 86 average.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/mets-remain-focused-on-ted-lilly.html
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by SidGlaus on Jul 9, 2010 12:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Mets won’t get him – his last name is Lilly.
Nolasco though…he’s more up their alley!
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 9, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Every day, I go to sleep praying Ruben Amaro will kill his franchise by trading Dominic Brown for a Win Now Player. That would be awesome.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
Phillies Baseball: Established - 2008
by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Especially if it was to get Lee back.
I fed a fish to a pelican and Frisco bay and he tried to eat my cell phone he ran away
No, Lee is awesome.
I do not want them to get him back.
Now, if they traded Domonic Brown for, say… Carlos Zambrano, that’d be pretty hilarious.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way who's bringing the cake
For tomorrows 1 year anniversary??? I’ll bring the fireworks!
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by SidGlaus on Jul 9, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’ll bring the beer…for me.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
Phillies Baseball: Established - 2008
by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about we just look forward to a win and extending our division lead?
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
So you miss Jeffrey and his endless GIDPs?
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No
but no need to harp on something as pointless as a 1 year anniversary for someone leaving that obviously few enjoyed watching.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
This certainly isn't the only source that took note.
Bowman and DOB both wrote blogs mentioning it.
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 10, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Youre point being?
Just because the media focuses on something doesnt mean its relevant.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
Very true
Oh except for that time we traded for Melky and you and almost everyone on here immediately only remembered the rookie Jeff Francoeur and the 2nd half ’09 Jeff Francoeur and forgot all the miserable times in between.
Hey, Omar
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by PWHjort on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
This is awesome:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/11/945317/braves-fans-react-to-church-for
I remember seeing this at the time of the trade, but here’s this thread incase you missed it.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
Phillies Baseball: Established - 2008
I hope this is the last post on Frenchy.
Just sayin’
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."
CC, Lee, Andy, Hughes, & Burnett
I believe that leaves Javy expendable.
I read above about speculation that TX might inquire about Javy, but I’m fairly sure that he still has a NTC to the W, including the AL West.
I wouldn’t mind shipping KK (who has BP experience), Minor, and a D-level hitting prospect to the Yanks for Javy.
Maybe even try to get them to bite on a deal sending McLouth and Rasmus to the Yanks for Gardner.
We don’t need pitching. And you’d trade Minor for 1/2 a year of Javy?
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
Phillies Baseball: Established - 2008
by Scott Coleman on Jul 9, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I went to one of the games in the Mets series shortly after he was traded (the one where they retired Maddux’s number). He still has a lot of fans in Atlanta; he got a lot of cheers.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 9, 2010 4:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well of course he did.
He’s got a great smile and his eyes are dreeeeeeeeeamy!
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
He likes that good ol’ patriotic American country music. He’s a swell little fellow.
"You were not brought upon this world to 'get it', Mr. Burton. " - David Lo Pan
And he's, totally, like, from right next door to me!
Advance apologies if the contents of this sports-based post offended you. I'm just aiming to educate the masses. My law professor says they're asses.
Panthers '010: Save the Richardson family coffers! We'll take the winning if we stumble into it.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 9, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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