5 Braves Selected for 2010 All Star Game
by Scott Coleman on Jul 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
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PrintTim Hudson, Jason Heyward, Martin Prado, Brian McCann and Omar Infante are all All Stars. That's right. Omar Infante was selected to the All Star Game. No Troy Glaus or Billy Wagner though, but we can't complain with 5 guys there already.
Tim Hudson was selected by manager Charlie Manuel and will likely pitch an inning in the game. Great to see Hudson getting recognition for his awesome season. I'm sure FOX will be preparing something to tell everyone how lucky he is.
Jason Heyward finished in 3rd in NL OF voting, but probably won't play unless his thumb is back to 100%. As a 20-year old rookie, Jason collected a ridiculous 2,784,419 votes. The fans love The Jay Hey Kid.
Martin Prado will be the starting 2nd baseman for the National League. Chase Utley won the vote by a landslide, but with his thumb injury will keep him out of the game. Our utility man from 2008 and 2009 is now (probably) the leadoff man for the 2010 NL All Star team. That's neat.
Brian McCann will be the backup catcher to a less-deserving player for the 4th straight year. Yadier Molina won the vote by about 100,000 votes, and a large part of that has to do with the Cardinals drawing 40,000+ every night. Regardless of the voting, it's great to see Brian make the team again.
Finally, Omar Infante makes the team. Charlie Manuel....you're not such a bad guy after all. Omar has been incredible off the bench this season and I imagine this is more of a tactical selection more than anything. I can't imagine a bench player better than Infante and he's the most deserving of anyone to go.
There isn't much now, but check this page throughout the day for updates, quotes from the players and more.
Congrats to all of our guys. Represent the ATL well. We know you will.
UPDATE #1: Billy Wagner is on the Final Vote Ballot. Go vote!
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"I believe that if life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade... And try to find somebody whose life has given them vodka, and have a party." ~ Ron White
I did my part!
I hope he goes… He definitely deserves it!!
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Jul 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm afraid that Votto deserves it more
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not for nothin man but Votto has plenty of time to make one...
Billy not so much! Besides that, watch him totally dominate at 40… when he comes in it pretty much is over!
by UpstateNyBravesFan on Jul 4, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats to the Braves Players!
Every player deserved to be on the team. That Omar picked caught me completely off guard. Random comment, how did Ortiz get the nod over Youkilis? Byrd over Alfonso Soriano? No Votto?
My 4 guys (Hudson, Hanson, Meds, JJ) can take on anybody's 4 guys (the MLB) and Victory will be ours!
by romone_braves91 on Jul 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, how did Votto not make it?
And now he’s on the vote-in list against Wags…ugh.
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
if some of those announced...
sit due to injury, like Heyward, do they come off the list as replacements?
And I rather have McCutchen in there for the Pirates over Meek.
My 4 guys (Hudson, Hanson, Meds, JJ) can take on anybody's 4 guys (the MLB) and Victory will be ours!
by romone_braves91 on Jul 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
there are plenty of good OFs...
and mccutchen is one of them…but i’m happy that meek made it…the guy has had a great year…
by forgotten_glory on Jul 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And Wags is waaaaayyyyyyy better than Wilson of the Giants.
My 4 guys (Hudson, Hanson, Meds, JJ) can take on anybody's 4 guys (the MLB) and Victory will be ours!
by romone_braves91 on Jul 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It ain't what we think.
It should be about what Pirates fans think. Don’t you think that they would rather have McCutchen the face of their franchise over Meek?
Don’t you think Nats fans would rather have Zimmerman, Willingham, Dunn, Tyler Flippin’ Clippard, or Strasburg over Capps? The players selected and they don’t appear to read how stupid the save statistic is, but Capps has been merely okay and benefitted from a team that doesn’t have enough offense to put people away and limit save situations. His poor performances at the beginning of June are a significant reason why the Nats fell out of the race.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
agreed on ortiz/youkilis...
i think byrd deserved it over soriano…votto being left off was a disgrace…i thought i was gonna see glaus left off in favor of votto, which i could deal with…but howard? really?
by forgotten_glory on Jul 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still a bit baffled by the Omar selection
With Tulowitzki hurt, there weren’t a ton of good shortstops to choose from, and somehow, Rafael Furcal was still left off. At least Rollins didn’t get the start.
Boo! to Furcal.
My 4 guys (Hudson, Hanson, Meds, JJ) can take on anybody's 4 guys (the MLB) and Victory will be ours!
by romone_braves91 on Jul 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
poor joey votto
i love that omar made it, but how do you leave votto off this team? ryan howard getting picked was crazy
by lingsched on Jul 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And justincredible rolls over in his grave......lol
Go Omar, etc.!!!! Go Braves Go!!!!
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
1st, I’m not dead.
2nd, why would I roll over in my grave?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
1st, I’m not dead.
2nd, why would I roll over in my grave?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You underrate Infante.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all. Infante does not deserve to be an All-Star. How can he be considered one of the best in baseball, when he isn’t even good enough to be a starter on his own team???
Your homerism is annoying.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You underrate Infante.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah yeah, another double-post…get over it, everyone!
lol
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I beat you to it.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
molina sucks...i don't understand why the fuck he is starting...
come on fans, you can do better than that…
Brian McCann will be the backup catcher to a less-deserving player for the 4th straight year. Yadier Molina won the vote by about 100,000 votes, and a large part of that has to do with the Cardinals drawing 40,000+ every night. Regardless of the voting, it’s great to see Brian make the team again.
-mvhs
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Shocked to see Omar on the team, but so happy for him. He doesn't get enough
credit for how good he is, so its nice to see Manuel recognize that.
VOTE WAGNER
…..the Braves are 2-0 against the Reds this year. That’s good enough for me.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante over Glaus….WTF???
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
LOL
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
position im sure
Lots of good first basemen
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You should be saying
Infante over Votto… WTF???
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Manuel is managing, not Dusty Baker. He knows first-hand about the Braves’ secret weapon on the bench.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
or Zimmerman or the Hammer. Nats got shafted
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
What do I do now that Votto and Zimmerman are on the final ballot?
I will tell you. Not watch unless one of the Nats is an injury replacement.
Zim’s my guy and he deserves to go, but even I have enough sense to vote Votto as a deserving player who’s vaulted his team into the pennant race. I know you love Wagner and he’s been great for you and it’s fun to feel you’ve fleeced the Mets and all.
But please, show the world that Atlanta Braves fans are intelligent fans who respect good baseball and not a bunch of casual homers who only know about their team. I’m doing the right thing and voting Votto. You guys should too, especially since you’ve already got 5 guys named to the team.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I think most people recognize that Votto is clearly a deserving player.
It’s probably more a matter of preference for the casual fan: extra pitcher or extra 1B?
It’s definitely a shame that Votto (and Zimmerman) got left off the team, and I’ll probably vote for Votto again, but it’s not really that clear-cut. We have had a lot of long, close games in the past and have run out of pitchers. It’s just something to think about…
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
Nobody is tying Charlie Manuel to a tree and making him pull the pitchers.
Tell you what, keep Matt Capps on the bench. If it goes into extra innings, put him in there and he’ll get it done because he’s a closer and he just got a win against the Mets.
/sarcasm’d.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
chris young
I pray to Jason Heyward every night
by JasonHeywardisGod on Jul 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I finally understand why some of my friends hate fan voting
Molina starting over McCann AND Olivo?
No Votto?
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
Utley has been just as good as Prado this year
If it weren’t for his injury, he’d be deserving.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't the Phillies in 3rd BEFORE all their injuries?
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What's your point?
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado is a more valuable player to the Braves and Utley is to the Phillies. not that that makes a difference for the all star game.
Um...
How exactly are you deriving that? As far as I know, there is no way of measuring what you are referring to.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
through pure observation… could you imagine where the Braves would be without Prado for 8 weeks?? Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. Phillies offense has been suffering with or without Utley this year… in fact Wilson Valdez has been playing better since Utley’s injury.
If you're using
Wilson Valdez’s current numbers as your defense, that’s kind of sad. What are the chances he keeps that up for the 8 weeks Utley will be gone? Less than 1%?
I don’t know who’s more valuable to their team, but that’s exactly my point. You can’t know that.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All I know is that we could have had a few other 6 or 7 games losing streaks without Prado. enough said.
"could have"??
We “could have” had the losing streaks even with him, if (for instance) Glaus never got hot, or some other guys got hurt. You’re talking in hypotheticals, not evidence.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He was our MVP in April by leaps and bounds. If you take him out of that month alone, our record now could be a lot closer to .500 You do not need any stats or evidence for that.
Of course.
What you said, though, is that “Prado is a more valuable player to the Braves and Utley is to the Phillies”.
How can you prove that without Prado, we’d be worse off than the Phillies would be without Utley? It’s only supposition, not fact.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not everthing stated
has to be a fact. Lay off a bit will ya
I get
What you’re saying, but come on, lay off the “fact hound” bit.
Obviously there is no way to legitimately prove that Prado is more important to the Braves than Utley is to the Phillies, but its worth talking about.
To me its just an interesting idea to think about what standings would be like with both of the players removed from their respective teams. I have to agree with abraves that the Braves would more than likely be worse off, since I hope everyone here can agree that Prado going into leadoff completely changed the Braves season.
+1
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Hudson?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Instead of just blindly playing favorites,
try looking at the numbers.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite being the better home run hitter of the two, utley has a lower slugging percentage. Martin has a better ops than utley along with a much better batting average.
Utley has a higher wOBA
and has been better defensively, hence a higher WAR. Batting average is meaningless.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
this
regrettably
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, it's a moot point.
Utley won’t be playing due to injury. I’ll be playing the world’s tiniest violin for him, though.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
batting average is not meaningless. wOBA may be a better statistic for lumping together everything that a player does at the plate, but batting average certainly isn’t meaningless. With a runner on 3rd and 2 outs, batting average is the only thing that matters. In certain contexts, every statistic is useful.
Yes
becasue a walk there is worthless. And that isn’t factored into the wOBA formula (.72xBB and .90×1B). Allso wOBA doesn’t take into account that the hitter put himself into a runner on 3rd and 2 out situation, which he obviously did.
With crappy overpaid vets of course!
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What I meant was,
in this context (assessing overall player value), batting average is meaningless. It is useful in certain contexts, but this is not one of them.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Althought BA can be over-rated
it certainly never is meaningless, esp in ‘assessing overall player value’
What?
No.
I think batting averages is one of the most interesting statistics in baseball. Its absolutely incredible that nobody has hit over .400 in almost 70 years now. For any player to sustain a high batting average over the course of a 162 game season (or even half of one) certainly takes an incredible amount of skill, and simply discounting that is stupid.
As is relying on BA as an overall indication of value. Is hitting .400 for a season incredible? Sure. But what if that one .400 season were sandwiched around 10 other .230 seasons? Do you see how misleading cherry-picking statistics can be?
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Again...what?
How in the world would a player have ten seasons batting .230, but in between hit .400? That’s just stupid if not impossible.
Any player that would ever hit .400 over an entire season would obviously have a high career batting average. Its not even a steroids thing – you can’t inject yourself with drugs and suddenly have a .50 higher batting average. It takes an incredible amount of skill and talent to hit .400 for 162 games.
So again, judging a player by his career batting average is still a great indicator of how good of a player they really are. A player who has a .333 lifetime BA is a lot better than a player who has a .250 BA. That’s just a fact. Don’t discount it.
Impossible? Chipper Jones disagrees.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
His years ranged from ~.250 to ~.350. While he did have a phenomenal year in 2008 hitting .364, its not like it was out of nowhere since each of the four seasons before that saw his average increase year to year.
Chipper went from .360 to .260 something in one year. That means it is possible.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 6, 2010 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
So, Jeff Francoeur is a better hitter than Adam Dunn?
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
*sigh*
I’m not saying BA determines that one player is better than another, I just think its stupid and ignorant to just throw the statistic out the window and disregard it completely. Its a useful metric for simply determining how good and consistent of a hitter a player is.
I would rather have a guy like Adam Dunn who hits .250 with an OBP of .430 than a guy who hits .400 with an OBP of .405
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far...
but for a more realistic comparison, try Adam Dunn and the Frenchman.
Career 3 slash for Donkey-.251/.382/.521
Francouer—.270/.311/.429
Other higher avg’s but probably worst production at the plate than Donkey—Mike Sweeney (.298/.366/.487), Garrett Anderson (.293/.324/.462), Mark Gurdzelanik (.289/.332/.393), Jason Kendall (.289/.367/.380).
And before you ask why...
I wouldn’t go that far, an obp of .430 or .405 is still pretty good, and has your man on nearly every other plate appearance. But the difference between .250 and .400 means a lot more hits. If ISO is the same, that’s a lot more extra base hits. If that extra .150 is all singles, it’s still better because guys can’t move more than one base on a walk, but you can get guys scoring from second on a single, going first to third, etc. In that extreme comp, I’ll take the .400/.405 all day over .250/.430, without knowing other factors like slugging or speed on the bases.
In a limited number of ABs, yes.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Posted this on the fanpost, but
As good as the Braves bench has been, it seems like Manual saw the light by selecting Infante. It seems like a long time wrong has been righted, not just Infante, but bench players in general. I’m sure Infante is not the 1st bench player to get the nod, but it seems a little strange just the same. Good for Omar, the National recognition is great.
Heyward is pretty good
So Omar isnt good enough to start for us
But he is an All Star? I love Omar and Im glad hes there but I’m not buying it. If a bench player from any other team made it, we’d be screaming bloody murder.
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by Doghnut on Jul 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s tough to say he’s not good enough to start for us. He’s just much more valuable as a bench player. You could argue that he’s better than a handful of our starters, but he is so versatile that his services are much better put to use as a very good bench player to fill in when needed.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
With someone approaching 40, like Chipper for instance, you never know when you’ll need a guy to play 30+ straight games at 3rd. (Or the outfield, or wherever.) This is where Infante comes in. Starting has nothing to do with it. Kind of like the perception that the “best pitchers” are starters.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not going to be a popular choice, but with this year’s roster expansion, the selection of infante allows manual th opportunity to put everyone else in the game with omar as the emergency super-sub. I don’t see him getting any playing time, despite the selection.
I understand why he is there
But this is an all star game. It should be for the best players and should be based on who is having the best season, not on versatility.
Jayson Stark said it best:
If the game is going to “count,” a manager needs a guy with a little versatility. I get that. And I know that’s why Omar Infante is on this team. But yikes. How can Joey Votto not be heading for Anaheim, while a guy with a mere 156 at-bats, fewer homers (one) than Yovani Gallardo and fewer extra-base hits (nine) than Wilson Valdez makes the cut? Memo to MLB: It’s the All-Star Game! It’s for the best players in baseball, not for guys who have started 42 games all year.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Try to tell that
To Manual after his team lost the World Series partially because of home field advantage. Both managers were very clear about that on the TBS interviews – home field advantage is huge. Joey Votto is a better player than Infante in terms of batting, but he can’t play SS or LF as good as Infante can.
Prado is almost as versatile
and with the new rule that a position player can come back into the game, there are plenty of options for Manuel.
If you build the roster on the idea of trying to win the game, why take so many starting pitchers? Why not let Albert Pujols play the whole game and take more utility guys instead of 1B backups that only play one position?
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Meh
This isn’t an argument I really want to have. It simply comes down to the fact that Manual chose Infante because Infante gives the NL a better chance to win the game than a fourth first baseman.
The truth is that Infante probably won’t even touch the field. He’s just insurance in case the game goes to extra innings and Manual has already worked through the roster and needs someone to play some defense or as a pinch runner. That’s all there is to it. Again, to Manual, that versatility is much more valuable than another big hitting first baseman.
I feel Wagner got snubbed and Rhodes shouldn't have gotten to go.
Wagner deserved a final go ‘round. But the Infante selection causes all kinds of trouble. At some point, they should pick players that the fans actually want to see and if you’ve been following baseball Votto deserves to go.
I get it. Manuel’s not enough of a man to stand up to his player, Ryan Howard, and the front office that threw $125M dollars his way. Fine. But selecting guys like Infante and not selecting Wagner is a shame.
MLB needs to do work, though. Matt Capps is the Nats’ all star solely because of player voting. Baseball fans would rather see Strasburg. Casual Nats fans might prefer Zimmerman. Willingham’s been our best position player and deserves to go, but drawing walks in the all-star game and hitting screaming line drives with some power ain’t enough.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
What?
Rhodes had an absolutely amazing 35 or so game streak where he did not allow a single run. That’s absolutely insane, especially for a 40 year old guy. Everytime he comes into the game the Reds know the game is locked down.
Wagner is good, but Rhodes is simply better than him this year.
Uh
If Yunel keeps playing at the level he is currently at (AVG .241 · HR 0 · RBI 19 · Runs 27 · SB 5), Omar will make a very strong case to be a starter post All Star game.
But anyways, that’s not the reason Manual chose him. The reason he was chosen is because the guy has amazing versatility in that he can legitimately play almost any position on the field. Also, when the Braves need a clutch hit, Omar can always almost deliver, regardless of the fact that he hasn’t faced a live batter in a few days, or this is his third AB in the game.
All I have to say
is that if I were building a franchise, I’d take Omar over Joey Votto and Ryan Zimmerman every time.
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
well thats an awful decision...
but I think he’s deserving especially if you look past the numbers and look at his contributions to the teams record via-the game winning department.
No
Zimmerman is obviously the future of the Nats franchise. If Infante or Votto were there instead, there wouldn’t be nearly as much hope.
Zimmerman + Bryce Harper + Josh Willingham next year will be a scary combination.
I don’t think Infante is better than some of the guys left out, but I still think this makes a lot of sense. He will give the NL team a lot of options late in the game because he can basically come in for anyone. He doesn’t have to take the place of just a shortstop or just a left-fielder. He can basically come into the game whenever Manuel thinks it’s best. Since this game could have huge implications for our team, I love that we will have someone that versatile on our bench.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
I agree
and would also add, why can’t we be happy for Omar, he’s a part of out first place team, and has been clutch when needed?
This is an example of being able to use one of our bench players because of his versatility. I would love to see Glaus chosen, but first base has much more competition, than say Omar who can play many positions. I’m happy for the ones chosen, and understand why they are in fact all-stars.
I would also like to see Wags chosen, and will do my part to get him in the game.
Congrats guys!
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."
So...
Omar Infante an all-star? That only makes sense if there is a designated “Utility Guy” spot on the roster (which there isn’t, of course, unless Manuel just made it up). I love Omar, but there have got to be dozens of non-all-stars who have been more valuable to their teams. I’m just flabbergasted by this. MLB needs to decide just what the heck the “All-Star Team” is about, because right now it seems to be just a horrible mish-mash of conflicting ideas.
Congratulations to the other Braves’ all-stars, all of whom deserved it. Wagner deserves it too, of course, so everyone vote for him! (As for Votto, he’s more deserving than Wagner but it’s not our fault that Charlie Manuel is an idiot.)
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
charlie manuel
knows infante wins game, and charlie thinks hes getting to the world series and wants home field advantage. there is no other reason
Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand. - Leo Durocher
Ah yes, Infante was selected as the team's designated "game winner"
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
shouldn't that be conrad?
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Manuel knew what he was doing.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean.
with that walkoff grandslam he needs to be the starting 3rd baseman. =-)
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Infante is Prado's hero. If Infante didn't go to the AS Game as well, the universe would implode.
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows how “All Star” players will perform off the bench, Infante can do it. With the World Series home field advantage at stake, Omar actually makes sense to me. wOBA, WAR, UZR, WXYZ be damned, Omar will help the NL have a chance to have home field for the 1st time in a long time.
Heyward is pretty good
“Omar will help the Braves have a chance to have home field for the 1st time in a long time.”
fixed. : )
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
I screw something up in every post I make!
Heyward is pretty good
No prob. All these other people bitching need to, like, chill. Shit never goes the Braves way like this. And you brought up a great point. This will only help OUR TEAM. The other teams be damned.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
McCann has gone to the game alone for too many years, glad to see some love coming our way.
Heyward is pretty good
Seriously.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This helps us?
How?
I’d much rather have a dominant hitter like Votto pinch-hitting if our WS home-field is going to be on the line.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How well does Votto do coming off the bench? I’m not being a smartass here, I see a difference in some players ability to hit as a pinch hitter vs as a starter. Omar doesn’t have that problem.
Heyward is pretty good
Votto has only 15 PAs as a PH
but he’s .250 / .400 / .500 with a homer. Besides, almost everyone “comes off the bench” at the ASG. He would be just fine.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Votto not making the team is something of a disgrace. His stats are awesome to say the least. But with Pujols, Howard and A-Gon there to play 1st base, I think the NL is pretty well covered. Infante being chosen is quite the surprize, but he’s a good ball player, good batter, multiple positions, and everybody’s favorite……..clutch!!!!
Heyward is pretty good
Howard shouldn't have gone
Just saying. If the choice was between him and Votto, Man-you-will got it way wrong.
Not only is this statistically impossible, but also excessively hyperbolic. Let’s tone down the rhetoric a skosh, eh?
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
What?
Albert Pujols:
o Season: GP 81 ·
o AVG .305 ·
o HR 20 ·
o RBI 60 ·
o Runs 48 ·
o SB 9
Ryan Howard:
o Season: GP 80 ·
o AVG .293 ·
o HR 15 ·
o RBI 59 ·
o Runs 52 ·
o SB 0
Joey Votto:
o Season: GP 77 ·
o AVG .312 ·
o HR 19 ·
o RBI 57 ·
o Runs 53 ·
o SB 7
Votto has clearly been statistically better than Howard, and is damn near close to Pujols or ahead of him in every single category.
I’m just happy for Omar. I don’t care about other deserving players. Snubs are a part of every ASG.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
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by Scott Coleman on Jul 4, 2010 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't agree more. I realize that there might have been statistically better choices, but
I’m glad that Omar is getting the recognition he deserves.
Happy for Infante
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As am I
I also pray to God he doesn’t read the negative comments concerning him being chosen. For the first time in several years I can watch the game knowing I may get to see more than one or two Braves get in the game. We have good players, if not we would not be in first place in a tight NLE division.
Washington Tribune, June 29 2010 – "The stonecutters carving Stephen Strasburg’s name onto the Washington Monument have been directed to await further instructions."
I'm happy for Omar too.
But what I want more than anything is for the choices to be deserved. It cheapens everyone’s all-star selection when there are obviously undeserving players on the team.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Um..
Well, he is undeserving. I don’t see how you could use any sort of facts to show that he deserves it.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How about this.... Don't be such a negative nancy about someone on the Braves getting an All-Star selection?
We all see your point, but you’re only picking at the scab…..
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry...
but look at it this way. We all get upset when our guys are snubbed. Imagine how the other teams’ fans are feeling now, knowing that their deserving players aren’t on the team, but Infante is.
If the teams were reversed, I’d be livid. I can’t just pretend like everything is hunky-dory.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that's your loss, then. All sarcasm aside.
Most of us are stoked. The odds were stacked against us having over 3 or 4, so the more the merrier.
Make Mine Infante.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I am really happy we got the other 4
but would’ve rather had Wagner as the 5th.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather have Wagner as the 6th.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a mature view, my friend.
I want to see the best players, and I want to see the best player on my team represented. After that, I understand that there’s some dead wood on the roster.
This whole mess just makes Nats fans feel somewhat persecuted and left out of the whole process.
Congratulations, you’re in first place. You’ve earned it. You have a better organization than we do. I’ve felt that Rolen deserved to get in ahead of Zim, and I was all prepared if Polanco got voted on to see Zim not make it.
Capps making it was a total shock, sadly due to the player votes. He’s not even the best reliever on his own team! Nats fans would much rather see Clippard than Capps. We’d prefer to see neither and if it’s got to be a pitcher we’d rather see Strasburg than either one.
Baseball has the opportunity to make all of these casual fans in the district watch by putting Strasburg on the team. They don’t do that and they get respect for that.
They can put Zim on who has name, or Willingham who has game, or Dunn who has style.
But all we get is Capps? Stinks, stinks, stinks. I will be the first to admit that Wagner is more deserving than Capps, and I hope that you guys will do your best to make the last vote about merit rather than about pure loyalty, otherwise it reflects poorly on your fan base. You don’t have to care, but don’t complain if you start moving down the road of being hated like the Phillies are.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
it’s all well and good to rather have your best players represent your team, but if every team’s best hitter is their 3rd baseman, not all of them will make it. Zimmerman is having the 3rd best season in the NL for a 3rd baseman, but they can’t go 3 deep in every position. Strasburg is probably one of the most interesting pitchers in baseball, but he’s only had like 5 starts and he doesn’t deserve it any more than the last pitcher that made the roster. Willingham deserves it aside from his defense, but if nats fans didn’t put in the time to vote and get him in, no reason to complain
Zimmerman is having the 3rd best season in the NL for a 3rd baseman, but they can’t go 3 deep in every position.
Basically, this is my point. On the roster, Infante is listed as a 3rd basemen. Charlie Manuel is saying Infante is the 3rd best 3rd basement with that pick. Picking Infante over Zimmerman doesn’t make sense to anyone but Braves’ fans.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
and not even some of us
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
I think declaring Infante as a 3B was a bit arbitrary. He was clearly picked for his value as a utility guy.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. As a Braves fan, I'm sure as hell not going to complain about
one of our players making it to the all star game. Especially a guy like Omar who has been so valuable to this team. It’s not Omar’s fault that someone else didn’t make the team.
You're right.
It’s not Omar’s fault. It’s Charlie Manuel’s fault. I am happy for Omar, but disappointed with Manuel.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
all i'm saying is...
if anything theres a much greater complaint in regards to ryan howard beating out Joey Votto, or even more so Yadier Molina being on this team at all.
there’s no way Omar Infante should be the biggest issue when theres a guy with a .616 OPS being called an “all-star”
Well obviously
Molina and Howard are terrible choices too. Molina is probably a worse choice than Omar, too. But the fans chose him, not Manuel.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
-Kurt Vonnegut, "The Sirens of Titan"
by Bravely going forward on Jul 4, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Its all about facts with you dude. Just chill out.
Manual wants home field advantage. Having a versatile utility player who can handle a bat in clutch situations is more important than having a 3rd first baseman.
I don’t see how you can be upset about this in any way. Its a BRAVES player and its good for the NATIONAL LEAGUE. If NL has home field advantage this postseason b/c of Omar I hope you still aren’t crying about the fact that he didn’t deserve it.
Having a versatile utility player who can handle a bat in clutch situations is more important than having a3rd4th first baseman.
FTFY
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And I counter with this:
Having a the league leader in OPS is better than having a good bench player and gives any team a better chance to win.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well its great that you think that
Manual, a World Series winning manager, obviously disagrees. We can argue about it for the rest of the week, but its kind of a done deal, right?
Manual made an idiot choice. That’s all I am saying.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 6, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmm....
Your 2010 NL starting all star catcher: 0.6 fWAR
David Boss: 0.8 fWAR
With crappy overpaid vets of course!
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
fucking awesome
"Infield hits are sexy, because they require technique."
-Ichiro
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
MOAR backup catcher fangraphs WAR leaderboards fun
Reds Catchers: Ramon Hernandez 1.3 fWAR Ryan Hanigan 1.2fWAR
Dbacks Catchers: Miguel Montero 1.1 fWAR Chris Snyder 1.0fWAR
Mets Catchers: Henry Blanco 0.8fWAR Rod Barajas 0.8fWAR
Padres Catchers: Nick Hundley 1.1fWAR Yorvit Torrealba 0.8fWAR
Brewers Catchers: George Kottaras 0.6fWAR Gregg Zaun 0.8fWAR
With crappy overpaid vets of course!
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Reds fan, I'd been kind of occupied over who on our team should be an All-Star
I never really thought “Ramon Hernandez,” but looking at your numbers, I probably should have been. Still… NO VOTTO?!?!?! WHAT IN THE GREAT BLUE HELL, CHOLLY? I hope Canada declares war on Philly.
by Brendanukkah on Jul 4, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, man...
That would be something to behold.
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
Gomar!
He deserves it! Was one of our hottest hitters last season, until his hand injury, and has been so clutch this year. Well done!
And Wagner can still make it in as the “Final Man” voting is underway.
Hudson – Not a surprise
Heyward – Not a surprise
Prado – Not a surprise
McCann – slightly surprised
Infante – Let me pick my jaw up off the floor
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
by UMDBHIK on Jul 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why
The slight surprise on McCann?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/c/league/nl
McCann (subpar season and all) is still the best batting catcher in the NL. And he’s a pretty damn good catcher too.
Off-topic, but Blanco is batting 2nd today!
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
Just got slightly less excited when I noticed Conrad batting 3rd. Ick.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
Chipper’s not playing?
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Not really too surprising, though. Glaus is also still out.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
lol. Brutal stuff.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the lineup is looking a bit scary. But it’s not the first time we’ve had a lineup like this, so hopefully we can pull one out and keep the winning streak alive.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
haha. I meant your comment aboot Chip, but that’s fair enough. I aint scurred. Happen to have the complete line-up?
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado
Blanco
Conrad
McCann
Hinske
Cabrera
Escobar
Diaz
Hudson
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
Yeah. Not that he ever isn’t, but Hudson better be on his game. Not that this lineup couldn’t bust out for 8 or 9 runs, but it’s just not that likely.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
Also, I’m sure a lot of the reason we are using this lineup is to keep our old guys rested for the next two series, which are way more important.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
Have to travel to Philly right after this game. Weird game time for a Sunday, but it is the 4th I suppose. Lineup makes more sense
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
And, somehow, I still like it….
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Regardless of what the status quo says.....
Blanco and Connie aren’t “holes.” And if Cabrera would be a tad more selective/willing to take a walk, TP, he could be that much better.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm torn between wanting a sixth Brave on the team (Wags) and trying to right a wrong (Votto)
Maybe if they got rid of the every team needs an all-star rule….
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
You can’t right every Country Wrong.. vote Wags!
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by Mighty Healthy on Jul 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck the Commies. Vote Wags.
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen, show sense.
Vote for Votto. If Wagner wins this, you’re just making yourself one of those idiot Cardinal fans who voted for Molina.
And you’re smarter than an idiot Cardinal fan, right?
I’m a Nats fan, and I’m smarter than an idiot Cardinal fan so I’m voting Votto over Zimmerman.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I’m having trouble making out that font. Is that the official sarcasm font?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I may be in the minority here, but I actually like that every team has to be represented...
Could you imagine how upset you’d be if no Braves made the all-star team? Would you even watch? It’s good for the fans to be able to see their own players.
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
I don't have a problem with the rule...
…but you just hope that they pick the face of the franchise guy over the kind of deserving guy. If I was a Pirates fan, I think I’d want McCutchen to go.
I’m a Nats fan, and I think Capps has no right to be there and the players screwed up.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Agreed.
As a Braves fan, I would much rather see Zimmerman and McCutchen on the team. I would definitely like to see Votto over Howard, and even Gonzalez (though I guess he’s the only Padre…)
My point is, what’s done is done. We have to think about what’s more beneficial for the team; a lefty relief pitcher or another first baseman?
I’m kinda playing devil’s advocate here, but I don’t think us voting for Wagner is as bad as Molina being the starter. I still think Manuel is an idiot and I wonder how he’s going to cost us the game this year…
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
However...
Either way – Wagner, Votto or Zimmerman – I won’t be disappointed. I don’t think you could go wrong.
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
As I've said elsewhere...
…Zimmerman does not deserve to go by the rules as to how the game is played. At the start of the month of June, he could make a case that Rolen and Zim were tied. Rolen has cleaned his clock and earned his slot. Zim cratered at a time where we needed him to carry the team. These things happen and I’m not mad at the guy; it’s just that the process stinks. Manuel picked Infante.
Let me repeat: If Chipper Jones got hurt and your GM refused a straight Zimmerman for Infante deadline deal at the same salary, you guys would be after him with pitchforks.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
I actually voted for Rolen at 3B and Votto at 1B...
Like I said, it’s just a matter of preference as to who people vote for the last spot. Votto getting left off is really a shame, especially in favor of Howard, but do we really need another 1B?
I just don’t think it’s as clear-cut as you do.
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
Ask yourself not which player is more deserving based on numbers, even if it were possible to compare a pitcher to a hitter (like comparing apples to oranges), but instead ask yourself which player improves the NL team more – a 4th 1B or a dominant left-handed closer? The NL has a severe shortage of left-handed pitchers on the team to begin with….and do you really want someone like Matt Capps trying to close out the game with a 1 run lead?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
manager for the nl actually trying to win the game
putting infante on the team gives him more options than some prima dona player from another team. omar can play all 3 outfield positions plus short, third, and second without taking out a player he may need later. thanks charlie, you are starting to appear as a smart MAN-ager.
Wait
are you calling every single snubbed player a “prima donna”?
And are you implying that prima donnas can’t win a baseball game?
Managers trying to win one isolated game like this should select the best players. This isn’t a 162-game season. Chemistry is irrelevant. The selection of Infante makes the NL a bit less likely to win the game and there’s really no rational argument otherwise.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
“The selection of Infante makes the NL a bit less likely to win the game and there’s really no rational argument otherwise.”
Sorry you see it that way. What can I say……Throw back a shot, or two?
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
naw, I’m not much of a drinker. I love Omar, I really do. I just wish his first all-star selection weren’t so obviously undeserved.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Cheers, man.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve written the same thing several dozen times already in this thread, so this is as good a post as any to respond to: Why do you insist that Infante is so undeserving?
You can’t just pick the Top 30-some-odd players in order of offensive statistics, or defensive statistics, or even any properly weighted combination thereof. You have to consider position played. Votto did not get picked for the same reason that Glaus did not get picked – there is insane competition at 1B. Should Votto have been picked over Howard? Hell yes, but what’s done is done. You can’t right that wrong just for the sake of righting it now. You have to take the roster “as is”, and make the last selection based on what’s best for the team – Wagner….but I digress.
The fact that Votto (or anyone else who plays an insanely competitive position) was left off does not make Infante undeserving. That is the same kind of logic I saw you picking apart in others’ posts earlier in the thread. Instead, you have to carefully consider the positions that Infante plays, and weight his value at each of those. There may not be an official “utility” role on the team, but I can guarantee you that Charlie was taking it into consideration. Infante allows for much greater flexibility in PH and PR selections during the game. You don’t have to worry about who it is that you’re removing from the game and whether you have a guy left who can play that position. In that regard, Infante makes the NL team much better. Can you say the same of Votto? Or anyone else who may have been deserving and was left off, but plays only one position?
Also, lighten up. You’ve been extremely negative and argumentative lately. I haven’t even been around much and I’ve noticed it in almost all of your posts that I’ve read. Get yourself a nice, cold glass of lemonade?
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by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice articulate rebuttal EricGregg
I just wanted to say screw the stats & let your homerism be free but your response was much better. I’m a fan of baseball but I’m a Braves fan first. We’ve got a handful of Braves in the AS game so let’s rejoice. Obviously Charlie M was looking at things from a different angle & came to the conclusion that Omar was “deserving”. He also invited Bobby to be on the staff from what I’ve read. For a Philly….he’s alright.
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+1
every year, there is controversy when a guy doesn’t get into the game because there needs to be that last guy on the bench in case of injury. They expanded the rosters this year, so with manual’s last guy, he’d rather have that last guy on the bench and not worry about not letting a truly deserving guy play. Omar can fill in anywhere in the field and no one will be mad if he doesn’t get to play. Instead of having to leave brandon phillips and michael bourn on the bench, for instance, you can use them and leave omar on the bench.
Rec'd
Excellent summary of my feelings towards pacgnosis in this entire thread lol.
Votto on a batting comparison with Infante is obviously the better player, but Infante gives Manual many more opportunities to WIN. Which is extremely key with home field advantage at stake.
If the ASG was still an exhibition game with no meaning, Infante would obviously never be anywhere close to making the roster. The game has changed though, and so our understanding about the game and how to play the game has to change too.
This move allows manual to use every other person on the roster and keep one guy on the bench that can fill in all over the infield and in the outfield. I’d rather have omar on the bench than 2 deserving all-stars that are needed in case of injury. This isn’t so much about omar’s hitting or fielding ability as it is about his versatility allowing manual to use everyone else.
I’m surprised that I still haven’t seen anything about Strasburg not making it.
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The Nats should move him for a crapload of young talent. This, if anything, could mkae them alot better. Otherwise, he’s just swimming against the current. Sad, but true.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants found a way to build around Lincecum.
We might find a way to build around Strasburg. Progress happens in steps.
You guys have a great team, and I think you deserve to and will win the NL East. Discussions like this and how your fan base handles baseball vs. homerism will help decide whether I can care about the Braves in the playoffs.
You guys can gain empathy from casual fans and other team’s fan bases by having a mature attitude about this and not just going homer for Wagner. Looks real bad after the heat that you’ll be getting about Infante.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
To be fair...
Charlie Manuel, manager of the Phillies, will be the one taking the heat. Somehow, I doubt Bobby bribed or blackmailed him into that selection, either…
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
Infante is going to be ripped as a player in a lot of quarters...
…as undeserving. He’s going to be the poster boy of the “It shouldn’t count for the World Series” argument.
What I’m saying is that if you pick Wagner over Votto, you aren’t that much better than Cardinals fans who picked Molina. I could pick Zimmerman over Votto because he’s on my team (which seems to be the reason that most fans are using here), but I’m not doing that because that makes me not better than the Cardinals fans.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Beat dead horses much?
We get it. You think if Braves fans vote for Wagner we are all being homers. It’s a bit hard for me to agree with that when Wagner has an ERA under 1.5 and a WHIP under 1. He has the numbers of an all-star. Not to mention, right now the NL has exactly 1 left-handed pitcher. One! I’d say Wagner would be a pretty damn valuable asset to the team.
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by sleezer1788 on Jul 4, 2010 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Left-handed closer > 4th 1B
That is all.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 5, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Strasburg would have deserved to be on the fan ballot, if he had gone out there and dominated the Mets.
He wouldn’t have deserved to go, but the fans could have been given the choice to make the decision. He struggled with command on a nationally televised game and has been good but not dominant in the Indians, Royals, Braves, and Mets starts.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Why?
Two other rookies that have started the entire season that are more deserving to go than Strasburg.
To reiterate, Strasburg’s only started SIX games. Just to focus on two other rookies, take a look at Jaime Garcia and Mike Leake. Leake, as you may know, is the first player in ten years to skip the minors. With the Reds he’s compiled a 6-1 record and helped them in the 1st place battle with the Cards. Speaking of the Cards, there is a young rookie by the name of Jaime Garcia that I’m sure no one except for fantasy buffs or Cards fans know about. The guy has an 8-4 record but even more impressively a 2.10 ERA and 1.22 WHIP!
So, just on a rookie standpoint, there are at least two other guys who should go ahead by Strasburg. Then there are handful of other non rookies (Jamie Moyer, Mat Latos, Mike Pelfrey, or Clayton Kershaw) who are having great seasons and helping their teams in key battles in pennant races.
You can vote as many times as you like. I voted 100 times and will do more later. My hand is tired. Vote now and vote often for Wags
You can argue about Infante not being the right choice, but...
Do you think Phillies fans would be complaining if Placido Polanco made it? or Jayson Werth?
Infante?
What a joke. If Cholly wanted a pinch hitter, he could have taken Brooks…lol. Seriously though, picking Omar Infante is crazy. Even if he drives in the game-winning run and wins the ASG MVP, Omar still doesn’t deserve to be there.
Bite me.
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You crazy, man.
Another underrated Braves player. Just like Prado was…and Brooks is. He needs more time starting, IMO.
Remember the game he went 4-4 and was then put back on the bench? Say what, Bobby?
Given that Infante just made the all-star team
I don’t see how you can ever call him “overrated” again.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops
I meant to say “underrated”
Looks like it’s time for me to stop typing.
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by Jacob Peterson on Jul 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Omar is NOT an everyday player. He just isn’t. His value is entirely in his ability to fill in wherever he’s needed.
I can’t believe the Tigers were willing to part with him.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Their loss! :)
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one wins...
In the war of the ASG Player Selection
Woo, still happy that there are 5 Braves though!
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
I don’t know how much defense is factored into deciding who ends up being reserves, but if it is a big factor, then I don’t think it’s right to say Infante got in over Votto. Infante got in over someone else who can play multiple positions, or at least someone who can play multiple infield positions, since he’s listed as an infielder. Depending on how big of a factor defense is, it’s more accurate to say Howard took Votto’s spot than Infante.
"Chase Utley can't polish Martin's shoes right now" Joe Simpson
He has seen, first-hand, the Wrath that is Infante.
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"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
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I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 4, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thrilled for all five Braves. I was pulling for Martin, and proud to see he made it (though on technicality…stupid Phillies fans). Of course I’m delighted to see Mac made it even with his issues this year. And I’m very excited to see my two favorite Tims — Lincecum and Hudson — out on the mound.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
all-stars
i think that some pepole are jelouse cause the braves are kicking some butt this year and they have a team that many others can’t stop this year. get over it guys the braves are going to the show this year. this being B.Cox last year and possably Chippers, come on you all know the braves arent just going to lay down. they are for sure taking the N.L.E with athourity.
according to DOB, the other Braves all stars were more excited for Infante, then they were for themselves.
He also said that Manuel did ask Bobby to be on the coaching staff, but Bobby declined.
So
Lets go out on a fantasy limb and say that Braves get to the World Series this year and then retires. Who coaches the ASG next year? I’m sure this has happened before.
I started off voting for Wags some and Votto some, but then I started to just vote for Votto. Is it wrong for me to do that? I think Votto deserves it more. And we’ve already got 5 guys in the all star game. So I’m voting for Votto.
oh and
I LOVE MARTIN PRADO
that is all
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
I guess I’m being a bad Braves fan but a good baseball fan by voting for Joey
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
im voting for Wags
if not him i hope its Bell because pitching is important.
by Delaware Boiler on Jul 4, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
ajcbraves
When Frank Wren called Omar Infante at 8:30 a.m. this morning to tell him he was an All-Star, Infante at first thought he’d been traded.
One question: if the Braves go to the WS, does Bobby still manage the NL next season even though he’s retiring?
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My guess is it will be whomever takes over for him next year.
"Jason Heyward was a Greek philosopher reincarnated as a baseball player." - Don Sutton
Did anyone else who watched the live selection
think the graphics department just got infante and prado confused? I completely thought they just screwed up until they showed Prado too.
We have traded away great players for less than nothing and let Texierra walk away, and much much more so pray that Hayward is sent from God and that his energy can ignite the veterans and cause the younger players to hustle more and play winning baseball...
Yahoo sports guy Jeff Passan says “Infante could be the worst All-Star pick ever”
link here..
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-tendegrees070410
I lowered my IQ by reading that
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really?
I havent read the whole thing yet, but from the first few graphs, he made some good points. Im not sure hes the worst ever, but he clearly shouldnt be on the team.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
He is definitely not the worst ever. Mark Redman in 2006. Look at his final year numbers.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/redmama01.shtml?redir
His ERA was near 6. I believe it was over 6 when the game was played.
MUST RECONFIGURE STRIKEZONE PARAMETERS TO ACCOUNT FOR FALLIBLE HUMAN UMPIRE - CyborgHanson48
Ok, it was actually 5.27 at all-star time, but still.
MUST RECONFIGURE STRIKEZONE PARAMETERS TO ACCOUNT FOR FALLIBLE HUMAN UMPIRE - CyborgHanson48
Like I said down below
He addresses that in his article:
There have been some bad All-Stars before, guys like Ken Harvey and Mike Williams and Mark Redman(notes), who fulfilled MLB’s everyone-gets-a-trophy rule. The 2010 Atlanta Braves have four other All-Stars.
I love Omar as much as anyone but he shouldnt be on the team, plain and simple. If he were on any other team and Votto played for the braves, we’d be picketing MLB headquarters.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
How is that a lame excuse?
I dont remember the season exactly, but sometimes you dont have a choice to choose crappy players when all of the players on a team are crappy. That’s not the case with Omar.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
He made some good points but poor Omar! He didnt pick himself to be an allstar or anything.“Worst selection ever”? Thats a bit harsh
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he makes some good points
Nor was Manuel satisfying some sort of positional need. He’s got Brandon Phillips to back up Martin Prado at second base and Jose Reyes to spell Hanley Ramirez at shortstop. And, thanks to a new rule, one designated player who leaves the game can re-enter – and Prado, a former utilityman who has played every position but center field and catcher, could fill that role.
This was, at its most plain and simple, a boneheaded choice. Infante has 176 plate appearances this season, an average of 2.17 per game – nearly an entire plate appearance lower than the threshold simply to qualify for the batting title. If there weren’t deterrent enough, of NL players with at least 176 plate appearances, Infante’s on-base-plus-slugging of .721 ranks 88th of 128.
The NL leader in OPS – Joey Votto(notes) – did not make the team.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
But the point of his not having enough plate appearances, and then saying Strausburg should be on the team with only 6 starts, because he is a phenom, is a bit hypocritical imo.
by VermontBrave on Jul 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hypocritical? yes.
Retarded? yes. F Strausburg and his 2-2 record. Medlen, Hanson, and Lowe would all be more deserving than him. At least Chuck James looked good for a full season. Give me a call when you get out of the 1st inning in less than 45 pitches.
False.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Its more than not having enough plate appearances
Look at that OPS. 88th out of 128. Hes an all-star? A guy who isnt good enough to beat out gregor blanco or melky cabrera for an outfield spot is an all star?
I understand he is more valuable for us as a bench player. But there really is NO defense for him being on the all star team. As a braves fan, I think its great. But it really is indefensible.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
Infante was named as a 3B
So let me get this straight…
Let’s say Chipper got injured.
If I told you, you could have Infante or Zimmerman for the rest of the season at the same price, you guys would pick Infante?
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
Ergh
But thats a technicality. Infante can play not just 3rd, put any other position other than catcher or pitcher. I’d like to see Zimmerman going out there and playing LF. Not saying he can’t do it, but it’d take some time for him to get used to the position and playing it a high level.
hahaha
Please tell me you believe there are no other infielders more deserving than Omar. Hell, we have one on our own team that is more deserving.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
GLAUSOSAUR ANGRY!! RAWR
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What a douche bag thing to write. I can certainly understand disagreeing with the pick, it is nothing if not controversial, but “worst ever” is just being mean. In fact, as of now, Passan is the “worst ever” blogger in my eyes.
Heyward is pretty good
Mark Redman.
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He addressed that
He said there were other people who were less deserving but most of those people were chosen because of the every team must have a player rule. Omar was not in that situation.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
yeah, i posted this in the game thread earlier. what a tool…
"Sometimes I think it is a great mistake to have matter that can think and feel. It complains so. By the same token, though, I suppose that boulders and mountains and moons could be accused of being a little too phlegmatic."
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by Bravely going forward on Jul 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to all the Braves players who made the AS team
and I hope Omar has the GW hit!
There’s been some huge backlash over Heyward and his worthiness of being in the All Star game(if he plays) as well as Infante on Yahoo Sports.
On a side note, I can’t believe how many morons actually believe Stephen Strausberg deserves to get an All Star nod this year.
I have no backlash over Heyward.
There’s an element to that is about pleasing the fans. Heyward was great and his play helped carry the Braves early.
When it comes to deserving, I don’t know whether Stephen Strasburg deserves to go but he certainly deserves to go more than Matt Capps.
Stephen Strasburg’s WAR – 1.6
Matt Capps WAR – .6
Even if you don’t believe in WAR, that’s enough of a difference in something besides star power to let us know that Capps shouldn’t be the Nationals lone representative.
On a desperate search for Sunshine at Nats Park.
“I was jumping around with my wife and kid,” Infante said, with Braves second baseman Martin Prado interpreting. “I was so happy. I was shocked and couldn’t believe it.”
from an mlb article about the Braves’ all stars
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 11:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The article has quotes from other players too
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 4, 2010 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just want to be happy about having so many Braves on the team this year.
There are 5! FIVE! Braves players! That’s awesome!! Be happy, Braves fans. You’ll most likely get to see the Braves have a major impact on the game. And if that’s the case, you know it’ll be good!
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
I wish there were some way that Bobby could call up Charlie and be like “Look dude, you need to take Omar off your roster and add Wagner. Then, you need to hope Votto wins the fan vote. Finally, you need to figure out some way to get Glaus in there too.”
Seriously, Omar should have never been considered for the team. The deserving Braves All-Stars, in order, are:
1. Billy Wagner
2. Martin Prado
3. Tim Hudson
4. Troy Glaus
5. Jason Heyward
6. Brian McCann
7. Takashi Saito
8. Kris Medlen
9. Chipper Jones
10. Eric Hinske
Infante belongs no where near that list, and that is just of Braves players – let alone the greatest players in the NL.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
That’s really not likely to happen considering Bobby was quoted as saying he thought picking Infante was ‘’the greatest pick ever.’’
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by sleezer1788 on Jul 5, 2010 12:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ask Bobby if Wagner or Glaus deserve it more.
Of course Bobby is going to stick up for his players – it is his MO.
However, Get him to have to choose between his players (like, gun to his head or something) and I can promise that he would not pick Infante out of those 3.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree with that last sentence
But do you really think Wagner should be #1 on that list? Its not really a big deal; I just found it odd that he is ahead of Hudson and Prado.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
He has been more dominant and consistant than either of those two. Wags leads the league in several prominant pitching categories.
Maybe Prado could be #1, but I think Wags has been more dominant. Ks are more sexy than singles anyway.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 5, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
ABLRBE ELBBAR EARBBL
RABBLE
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like how everyone acts like it
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
damn...
acts like it’s Omar Infante’s fault for being selected to the game.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
who said that?
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
National writers, bloggers, guys on BBTN and MLBN, the dudes at the bar…take your pick man.
"Sharks have a week dedicated to Jason Heyward."
METS: My Entire Team Sucks.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 5, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant here
Cant really control anyone else.
"If I have asthma, they won't let me scuba. And if I can’t scuba, then what’s this all been about?? What am I working toward??"
"You look like you should be married to one of the San Diego Padres."
It does seem like people are blaming Infante instead of Manuel.
Maybe it’s just our perception as Braves fans, though…
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
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