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Open Thread: 2010 Trade Deadline

This is your thread to discuss all things related to the Trade Deadline. Teams have until 4pm EST to make trades without having to send players through waivers before the trade is approved.

Will the Braves make a move? For my money, the Braves won't do much of anything. At most, they'll add a reliever to help the fatigued 'pen down the stretch. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Last year, the Braves acquired Adam LaRoche for Casey Kotchman. At the time of the trade, I'd say that at least the majority of TC wasn't too thrilled with LaRoche being our only move. The Braves were hot, and some fans were un-realistically expecting a superstar for the 2nd half. Little did we know Roachy would have one of the better 2nd halves of any player traded at the deadline.

Let's just all keep this in mind: Whatever happens, happens. Frank Wren is a fantastic GM and he knows what he's doing. Embrace any new Braves players with open arms and say farewell to any players who leave the organization. We owe it to them.

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Trade for Adrian Gonzalez!

Sorry…couldn’t resist.

"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert

by Sam Jethroe on Jul 31, 2010 6:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Greetings from the Czech Republic

My best prediction:
Chippah to the Yankees for Jeter

Go USA, Braves, BU Terriers, Irish, Caps, Colts, Hoyas, NU Cats, Wizards, DC United, Washington Freedom
BU Hockey: National Champions 1971, 1972, 1978, 1995, 2009

by SuperNewb on Jul 31, 2010 6:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Prague was a great time.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greetings SuperNewb

Chipper Jones won’t get traded he has a 10 years of Major League Experience and 5 years on the Braves for his no-trade clause so he can veto a trade whenever he wants.

by JustaBrave on Jul 31, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

weird

i live in Prague, too.

and there’s a BRAVES fan, too? where you live? I’m in Hradcanksa.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 31, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You LIVE in Prague???

You are now my hero.

Can you tell the little black man that wears the red suit and red hat that tries to get people to go into his strip club that I said hello? He works on one of the main streets that leads into Charles Square.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He promised me free shots if I would go to his club…he still owes me.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

STAND PAT WREN

Keep the faith and the prospects…. fear is the darkside of the force

by fizzbot on Jul 31, 2010 7:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

not sure what fear and prospects have to do with it…

FF is the only prospect that could possibly come up this year and we have a pretty good guy at his position right now anyway. Any move today is about this year and giving Bobby a proper send off.

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by SuperNewb on Jul 31, 2010 7:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The point of prospects is not what they can do this year. If you can pull off a trade (even for top prospects) that can bring in a legitimately good player then I’m all for that, but I don’t want to see a trade for the scrap or career-year regression candidates (Hello, Alex Gonzalez!) that make up most of what is left on the market.

And we’ve actually had one of the worst starting 1B in baseball. Out of 28 qualifying 1B, Glaus is 22nd in WAR. Of course, you couldn’t expect Freeman to do any better as a 20-year-old.

by Ron A. on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Say it with me...

HELLER.

+7.38 Interwebz to all ye who got that obscure reference. But fer realz… luke scott, Luke Scott, LUKE SCOTT…

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 7:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Out of options

Blanco will take his roster spot. Doesn’t mean a move us on the way, though its worth noting that we only have 39 guys on the 40-man anyway.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 7:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Options didn't matter...

he’s been up and down already, so that isn’t it. DFA means removing him from the 40 man, not sending him down. There is a difference. And we have 38 guys on the 40 man last I counted (Luis Valdez is restricted and shouldn’t be included).

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, my dear sir, options DO matter. Options are used up by the year, not by the callup. In other words, if this were an option year, we could option him back to AAA again as often as we please within the “cannot be recalled again for 10 days except in the event of injury” restriction. How many trips he makes back and forth is completely and utterly irrelevant. But it’s not an option year. Meaning that to get him off the 25 man roster in order to make room for Blanco, we have no choice but to DFA him, thus exposing him to waivers, because we no longer have the ability to option him back.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 8:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Clevlen started the year in Gwinnett...

so unless we purchased his contract to call him up or something, we’ve already used an option on him this so, so hence why didn’t matter.

Can we get clarification on this?

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he’s signed on a minor league deal he can start off there, but without options he can’t be returned once called up. Unless he clears waivers, in which case we can assign him back to the minors or release him.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thanks Freak

didn’t realize he had been up and down so much when he was a Tiger. I guess that explains it.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

just blanco being recalled according to twitter

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by SuperNewb on Jul 31, 2010 7:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Alright thanks guys! I just had to read into it a little bit…

by UpstateNyBravesFan on Jul 31, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols.

That is all.

I hate the Phillies so much...

by frozendesert on Jul 31, 2010 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm calling it

Out of nowhere, the Braves get Fielder and Hart for Minor, Freeman, Melky and a handful of our awesome young minor league pitching.

I know the Brewers have said that they are “too close to contention” to trade Fielder or Hart, but they are 9.5 games out at the moment… and it makes no sense for them not to trade those guys.

They need pitching, we need hitting… it just seems to match up well for us, despite Fielder’s massive girth and douchebagginess.

by Kelly's Big Johnson on Jul 31, 2010 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

If Grand Poobah Whiny Fag comes over here, consider me a Red Sox fan. Also, I hope Bobby punches him in the dick.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 8:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

37 times.

But, still, he’d be a welcome addition manning first in my book. I’ve always liked Glaus, but he just looks as beat down as Brett Myers wife at the moment.

I’d let Glaus and Chipper split time at 3rd and rest them both a little bit.

by Kelly's Big Johnson on Jul 31, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

We’d have him for this year, we’d have to give him arbitration next year, and then he’s gone, and we’re stuck once again since we traded Freeman for a rental.

by Bronn on Jul 31, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melky could go and I wouldn’t care. But I’d hate to see Minor (local boy, umpired a lot of his high school games) and Freeman go though.

And I can’t stand Fielder, some player’s abilities aren’t worth dealing with their stupidity (See Yunel).

by musicman on Jul 31, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

FW would never, EVER trade for fielder

not after the HBP fiascos. can you imagine the headache FW would get thinking about the deterioration of team chemistry?

by atl192485 on Jul 31, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s gotta be something brewing that we don’t have a clue on…

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Haven’t you heard? We’re in the hunt for bullpen help!

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, cross Qualls of the list.

I did hear we were interested in Downs.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have so much of that sitting in the minors right now….

by Kelly's Big Johnson on Jul 31, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, according to MLBTR and elsewhere...

we;ve acquired Michael Noboa from the Dbacks to help DSL for some reason, sent Mitch Jones to the Pirates for cash (hope he plays for ‘em), and cleared Clevlen off the 40 man giving us (by my count —http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=atl , 20 pitchers since Valdez doesn’t count, 18 position players, and if Clevlen has been removed as MLBTR reported, that gives us 17 position players and 37 players total). So we’re up to something it certainly seems.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frank Wren makes me smile…that motorboating son of a bitch.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Freddie and Minor get called up.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be ok with FF, but where does Minor go? To the pen? That seems like a waste.

by Kelly's Big Johnson on Jul 31, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Minor would take JJ’s spot in the rotation after we trade JJ for Kemp, but if we stand pat, that means there is no JJ trade, so I guess I jumped the gun on Minor.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just took this to Jesse Jane levels.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Add Riley Steele and make it 5 minutes.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually

JJ + another pitching prospect (Delgado) should get us Kemp.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 31, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask Wren...

I’d expect we add a 3rd C eventually (be it Sammons or another) for depth in September. Maybe Glaus is about to be DL’d to rest his legs, and they’ll call up Freeman or Canizares. Maybe they are making room for Scott Proctor, or Matt Young. Could be a number or reasons.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand why they always add a 3rd C – isn’t that what Diaz is for?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Emergency C and 3rd C are different in my mind...

I think Diaz can catch, if he has to and everyone else goes down so we have to put someone there. Having a 3rd C makes sense when we get to September, especially with Ross and McCann so that if one’s starting, you can use the other’s bat in a pinch hit spot but still have someone else that can adequately work behind the plate if need be. I doubt they trust Diaz to really do a good job back there, and would much rather have Sammons or someone else.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

A condundrum....

Do I post about what I want to happen and who I want to trade for or who I think the Braves will trade for?

Hmmmm

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

both

Would love to hear it.

by musicman on Jul 31, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I WANT

the Braves to land Matt Kemp to play CF. Trade Kawakami, Minor, Delgado, Johnson and Vizcaino (yeah yeah, I said it) to the Dodgers for Kemp and a BP arm.

Then platoon Nate and Diaz in LF and Glaus and Hinske at 1B. Bat Kemp second and move Heyward back down to the six-hole.

RHP:
Prado, M.
Kemp, M.
Jones, C.
McCann, B.
Hinske, E.
Heyward, J.
McLouth, N.
Gonzalez, A.

LHP:
Prado, M.
Kemp, M.
Jones, C.
McCann, B.
Glaus, T.
Diaz, M.
Gonzalez, A.
Cabrera, M.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our future pitching staff relies on those prospects

Wiping out three of them in one trade would be just brutal. I like the idea of Kemp, but that package is overkill.

Kawakami - 1, Halladay - 0

by BigG1392 on Jul 31, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

switch Delgado for Schafer (if he still has any worth)

but Minor and Vizcaino would have to go to make the deal even plausible.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

the dodgers are not

getting rid of kemp…..especially now that they got ted lilly and ryan theriot… matt kemp goes no where

I bought the Braves for two reasons. To get an autographed baseball without pleading for it and to get good seats.

Ted Turner

by d1gram420 on Jul 31, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, if Prado’s finger is broken, does that make it more likely that we make a move?

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait, what? His finger is broken???

In that case, bring back KJ!

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

X-rays were inconclusive last night on his right pinky, he’s being examined again today.

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

How did he do that running the bases? Was it on a slide?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. He slide head-first into home and his right hand got caught under him.

by musicman on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this is why I was taught in highschool to run while gripping your batting gloves in your hands.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hand got caught underneath him sliding into home.

by Kelly's Big Johnson on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sliding in to home on the Heyward go ahead double in the 10th, his body came down on top of his right hand.

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

We may have to because with the current roster I’m not sure who would lead-off and do well at it.

by musicman on Jul 31, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

One would think it’d add incentive to trade for a bat, for sure.

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you being sarcastic? I can’t tell.

If not, that happened yesterday, and it was talked about quite a bit.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. It was kind of a running gag last night in the game thread.

by musicman on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

My fail.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

NP

It is early. You can tell today is the trade deadline. The joint is hopping.

by musicman on Jul 31, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopping?

It’s like Christmas morning.

I wonder what we get…

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frank Wren was at the Pink Pony last night making it rain

by DCP916 on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty confident

that if Martin Prado is out for a long time (4-6 weeks or something like that) we trade Kelly Johnson. That would be a good fit in multiple ways.

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I support this post.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That'd be fine, but...

…I wouldn’t want that to be our only move.

I really want a RH CF.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather get a corner OF, and move Heyward to CF for the duration of this season, then get a CF in the offseason. When I say corner OF, I mean like a Choo or a Braun or a Kemp – a BIG bat, no Cody Ross crap.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Ross if he came with Uggs.

Move Prado to 1st/3rd next year.

by Kelly's Big Johnson on Jul 31, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Arrest me for heresy, but...

I don’t think Heyward would be good in CF in the long-term (long-term being the rest of the season as opposed to the last few innings of a couple of games due to defensive replacements.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn’t, long term. That’s why I said for the duration of this season and get a CF in the offseason.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love a CF also....

but who is out there that is trading for? Matt Kemp? I’d be shocked if the Dodgers moved him. B.J. Upton is headcase material. DeJesus is out. Posednik is gone. I’m not really sure who else.

My option for the OF. Get Josh Willingham somehow (don’t know how likely), put Gregor in CF for the rest of the year, or if you want to keep the Diaz/Hinske platoon, move Jason to CF. That is what I would do. But I’m not a GM lol.

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

what about Marlon Byrd from the Cubs?

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luke Scott > Willingham, for the simple reason that Baltimore is not a division rival stubbornly asking for the moon in return.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wishlist:

Matt Kemp
Jacoby Ellsbury
Luke Scott
Marlon Byrd
Brett Gardner
Josh Willingham

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

My version

Dunn
Choo
Braun
Willingham
Gutierrez
Ellsbury
Scott
Kemp
Adam Jones

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know he was in talks this winter,

but is Choo still on the block?

And no way in hell Braun goes anywhere, unless the Brewer’s LFer has a brother who plays CF that I didn’t know about ;)

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

My list is not realistic at all.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

No it is not...

and changing the subject, with the flurry of crap over the last day or two, I checked some old archives to see what got shoved down and I missed. Proctobombs can be pretty funny some times. 4-5 days after a post has been dead, probably not even on a front page or anything, and somehow he pops in with like 10 comments. WTF Bomber?

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love that guy.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best part is when he Proctobombs a game thread, and answers the question “Anyone know tonight’s lineup?” that was asked 2 hours prior to game-time, and he doesn’t show up until the next day.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he get off on having the last word (even when no one else will notice)...

and why does he skip live and currently active threads to blast away in ones a couple days, if not a week old? It’s like his computer is on an extreme delay or some shit. Just weird.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, that would put his computer at 10-4 levels. lol

I mean, I know that I enjoy a good debate, and you do too, but that guy…wow.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I agree...

he’s pure argument for no reason. Like Markakis would use a no trade clause to stay in Bloodymore, Murderland instead of coming to Atlanta, or Prado is “mediocre”.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remeber the whole “Schafer didn’t break his arm!” deal?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he makes us look agreeable somehow...

at least we have common sense and can either be reasoned with or agree to disagree while seeing the other side’s point.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

and with Cleveland, anything is possible. They are not very well-run right now.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

EDIT

Dammit, I did not mean Ellsbury. I meant Sizemore.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like Ellsbury a lot...

especially if he didn’t cost what you’d expect him too (based on how he was a year or two ago), I’d definitely like that, sticking him in CF or LF and at the top of the order. A healthy group of him, Odarp, Chipper, Heyward, Heap, and Glaus is a pretty good start in my eyes.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t Baltimore known for over valuing their players and being difficult to deal with?

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

To a degree, and that’s the Angelos influence, but at least Baltimore didn’t come out and say “any team that gets Scott is going to hurt a lot more for getting him than we will for giving him up.”

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Any Truth to the rumor...

On trading for Jacoby Ellsbury from the sox? That could be the best pick up with out breaking the bank on a slugger type.

by Hanson-Ace on Jul 31, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Where did you find said rumor?

If it’s just from talks here, then no – only wishful dreaming.

I’d LOVE a true lead-off hitter to put Prado back in the two-hole and move Heyward back down to sixth.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not wishful thinking- reported on MLBTR. As per FW’s MO, there have since been no confirmations that we are or aren’t nearing deal, and there’s always the possibility it was a smokescreen, trying to drum up interest in Ells while Franky makes a run at someone else. He seems particularly wily when trying to get something done.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’ve been on MLBTR since 1 AM your time, and I haven’t seen anything of the sort. Have a link?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

You wouldn’t have, as this was about 3 days ago. And I’m posting from my Droid, and have neither the battery nor the patience to go digging for the link. Sorry.

It wasn’t a very meaty rumor, basically just stating that the GMs have spoken about him without saying whether we were close to a match or not, and there’s been no followup in more recent days.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Droid >>>> iPhone.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

no way >> in hell

Kidding – I’m just biased ;)

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Droid is the fastest selling smartphone, IIRC.

It makes me mad that Verizon is getting the iPhone in January – why? They already have a better phone. I want the Apple fad to die.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

but "Droid" is such a vague term now

and describes any one of like ten different phones.

No phone individually has matched the iPhone is sales :P

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not. Because, Apple is a fad that all the kids like. Most professionals use either the Droid or Blackberry.

iPhones are just like shiny coins – kids would rather have a shiny coin than a dirty dollar.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

And apple is the only one that makes Iphones...

not sure on droid or blackberry, but if they can be an overarching name with several different makers, that skews stats. But then, I’m not that tech savvy so they may be exclusive to one company like Iphones.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only Blackberry makes Blackberrys, but Droid is manufactured by several different companies.

When I say Droid, I only refer to Android – the others are kinda crappy, IMO.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blackberry is exclusive to Research in Motion, but Android is an OS, not a device. Google wrote the software, but multiple manufacturers including HTC, Motorola, and Samsung produce handsets powered by Android.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

THIS

Wait- the ViPhone is Now confirmed? I know its been speculated for over a year now, but I missed thus little nugget where its gone official.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Someone here got an email from Verizon asking them to pre-order. My friend that works at Verizon said they weren’t getting it as recently as 2 months ago.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't blame the kids - the kids are our future :P

I don’t think “fad” is the right word.

It’s more the idea that the iPhone came out first, and Droid is seen as the attempt to recreate it on different networks.

The Zune may in fact be a hundred times better than the iPod, but the iPod will still sell more.

It’s harder to beat the stop than stay on top.

And to make this back on track – one reason I am so glad the Braves are still in first at the Deadline.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, let’s don’t forget they got that cute little apple logo on ’em.

I own nothing Apple except my iPod, and I won it in a contest. LOL

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

My theory on Apple – They are very innovative, but they can’t stay above the competition for long. Look back to the 80s when Apple/Mac led the way in home computers. Then Microsoft caught up, passed and blew them away in the 90s. Now, in the 00s, Apple has created a new technology (the touch-screen) and are leading the technological charge again. However, Windows 7 is better than any Mac OS, and like has already been mentioned, the Droid, Zune, etc are actually better than the iPhones.

It won’t take long for people to recognize.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Windows 7 as an OS, maybe.

But most people would prefer a Mac over a PC for numerous issues if finances weren’t one of them.

I own two desktops and two laptops in my home, and none are Macs. Namely, because I am a poor college student and cannot afford them, not because I just have a ‘happy’ for PCs.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish some people would write viruses for Macs and just end that whole “advantage” they enjoy.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might take longer than you’d think, because Apple has succeeded at creating a market of Sheeple who, every year, chuck out their 45th generation iDevices to go out and acquire- by paying the same full price they payed last year for their 45th gens- the brand new 46th Gen iDevices, now with marginally improved volume controls, 1 oz less weight, and… TWO shiny apple logos.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don’t forget the whole “iPad is soooooo COOOL! It’s like an iPod, only BIGGER!”

“Dude, it IS an iPod, only bigger…”

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

or, the financial-savvy of us...

Wait until said 46th gen devices come out, and then buy the 45th generation cheaper ;)

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just bought a 160GB ipod from 1saleaday.com for $150.

It is replacing my 2nd generation 4GB Nano that I have had since 2004.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why? I use an iPod when I work out. I found a great iPod for $150. It was a steal.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where’s your Zune?

or Wal-Mart brand mp3 device?

or cassette player?

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have a Zune, bc I have a 4GB Nano that I got as a gift back in 04 – before the Zune ever came out.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Traitor.

I used a Creative Zen Vision:M, which was technically superior to whatever the iPod Gen of the time was in 06. I went directly from that to my Droid this April. But my Zen still works lime clockwork, and I use I while running so as not to risk my shiny new Droid.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And this is why I have an iPod – so that I don’t mess up my droid.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alright fine. You can have your +1 interwebz back.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Alright fine. You can have your +1 interwebz back.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FARK

12 hour graveyard shift + another 12 hour graveyard shift tonight + low battery + accidental double post = time for sleep.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Alright fine. You can have your +1 interwebz back.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can I have my +1 interwebz back?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

DAMMIT

Every post I’ve made on this thread has been from my phone, yet that’s. he only one That decided to triple up on me. I don’t get it.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This

Jason Heyward is so good, he makes David Wright piss in Ryan Howard’s pants

by heap16 on Jul 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’ve checked MLBTR religiously and haven’t found anything.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If not Ellsbury, maybe Cameron?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just remembered...

Ellsbury is on the DL still, isn’t he? That means he couldn’t be traded even if the Sox wanted to trade him for Jesse Chavez.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This sentiment has shown up a lot in recent days, but it’s absolutely untrue. Remember the Peavy deal last year? It technically requires league approval, but that’s just a formality usually and yes, someone on the DL can indeed be traded.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I read somewhere that it requires league approval, but that certainly didn’t stop the Peavy or Mark Lowe deals.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OK...

like you say, it has to be a formality or just something they keep up their sleeve for extreme cases.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not even sure what would be considered “extreme” anymore. MLowe got traded and then promptly transferred to the 60 day DL to make room for someone else, and word is he’s out for the year, yet that deal whizzed right through.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But he wasn't exactly the main piece of that deal...

Lee and Smoak were. I’d assume it’s reserved for say an extreme salary dump or obviously collusion type deal. Say like we sent Chris Resop to our old friend Dayton Moore for Zach Greinke.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d have to change my pants.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ellsbury > Cameron

I’d assume the Red Sox would want something to help them now. Maybe KK and a lefty reliever, plus a lower prospect?

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d do it in a heartbeat. I feel bad for KK pitching in Boston though…not really a fly-ball pitcher’s park.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do we waste him so?...

I don’t get that either. Is he hurt? The guy can actually pitch pretty well, and Bobby is smart enough to know that. Something ain’t right.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know my feelings on the subject. It’s one of the few things that the org does that pisses me off.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that's just not like Bobby Cox...

he knows how well Kenny has pitched, and knows how he’s been in the past. He plays favorites sure, but he at least gives his end of the line guys work from time to time, and can use him like Chavez or others. 1 time in a month, really?

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it isn’t like Meds has torn it up in the rotation. I think KK in the rotation and Meds in the pen makes for a better team all around.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't go that far...

I think Medlen has been great as a starter. But KK can be a decent reliever at least like Chavez.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meds was tearing it up in the rotation … until this whole thing where they started pushing back his starts and having him work out of the ’pen started up.

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he looked pretty good last night...

one bad inning before he got plunked and had to sit (which coincidentally would have been a perfect time to call on Kenny if he hadn’t been atrophied).

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you not seen how Bobby uses his bullpen for the past few decades?

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cameron would be a great pick up for the stretch run…

by Hanson-Ace on Jul 31, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I am reading on ESPN right now how tons of scouts are ripping the Oswalt deal – saying that Oswalt 2010 is not Oswalt from 5 years ago. I gotta say, first impressions for us look pretty good.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

..."Phillies not dancing after Oswalt's opening waltz "

This headline on MLB made me smile :-)

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

8:40 jcrasnick: I’ve talked to 3 scouts in D.C. who’ve seen Roy Oswalt multiple times. Not one thinks he’s looked ace-like this season. #trades [via Twitter]

Saturday July 31, 2010 8:40 jcrasnick
8:41 jcrasnick: "I’m not sure he’s the answer,‘’ one scout said. "I would have kept the left-hander (J.A. Happ) myself.’’ #trades [via Twitter]

Saturday July 31, 2010 8:41 jcrasnick
8:42 jcrasnick: "He gets in trouble when he pitches up in the zone and guys lay off that little curveball,’’ the scout said of Oswalt. #trades [via Twitter]

 

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that me and you…?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, just a happy monkey...

but if that’s where your imagination went, I don’t know how to respond.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, your score is way behind.

It’s like 231-230. lol

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My advantage isn’t THAT large. Give yourself a little more credit than that.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mornin' all.

Having coffee with fresh baked (still warm) Strawberry/Raspberry/Blackberry/Blueberry Nut Bread and catching up.

A bit nervous about today. Wrenn has this way of surprising us doesn’t he?
Hope we don’t give up too much if a trade happens.

.
And, is there a gauge for when you officially “Proctor-Bomb” a thread? I just caught up on the post game one and hope I didn’t go that far. LOL

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey there!

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hehehe, it was a “mixed variety” in the package of frozen ones I bought. It’s really good.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure...

I love a bunch of berries. Nothing beats real fresh from mama’s farm.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the horrid heat this summer around here, the yields have been slim. Blueberries have done well, but other stuff suffering.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

but they grow different varieties. The strawberries and blackberries came in before the heat, so it was sooooooooo good. Store strawberries just don’t match up. Different variety used for size and preserving long term. Their kind are smaller, and don’t stay fresh long, but they are so, so sweet. It’s awesome like Joey Votto.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Within 24 hours isn't bad...

it’s 36-48+, and having several “I disagree” posts. You’re safe.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whew. Good to know. Certainly don’t need yet another reason to get on the “list”.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carlos Lee for Prospects

Could the Braves acquire Carlos Lee for a collection of prospects? He seems like the right handed power bat we’ve been seeking. Lee’s having a down year, but he’s signed through 2012. Houston would probably have to provide some financial aid to complete the deal.

by technobrave on Jul 31, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

His contract is atrocious. No thanks.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s irrelevant anyway. He has a full NTC and has stated repeatedly he’s staying put. He wants no part of a trade.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Roy Oswalt was making the same kind of statements before being dealt to Philadelphia, a winning and contending team.

by technobrave on Jul 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know his original deal was 6 years, $100 million. How much is left to be paid?

by technobrave on Jul 31, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Year Age Salary
2010 34 Houston Astros $19,000,000
2011 35 Houston Astros $18,500,000
2012 36 Houston Astros $18,500,000

Houston would have to pony up some serious financial aid. I didn’t realize Lee was in his mid-thirties either.

by technobrave on Jul 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No thanks....

to Mike Cameron…why do we want an overrated OF who can’t stay healthy and isn’t very healthy, that is 37 years old?

Our best bet (for team reasons and most likely reason) is Marlon Byrd. He’d be great here. Put him in the #2 hole.

And as I said earlier, if Prado is out for a while, we are going to get Kelly Johnson. Not sources, but I can definitely see making that happen.

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

If anything, Cameron is an UNDERATED OF. Granted, he has health issues, but he still hits 20-25 HRs every year, plays well-above-average defense and gets on base at a good clip. He would be an immediate upgrade to anything we have, and is a better option to anything allegedly out on the market right now.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll grant you one thing, ...

you stay loyal with your memes. KJ, Cameron, etc.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was convinced by others on Cameron. I wasn’t a big fan of him at first, but after stepping back and looking at it, he makes tons of sense, or did make tons of sense at that time.

And KJ is a good ballplayer. And he hit another HR last night – on the road, in Citi field of all places.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just sayin...

once an idea gets in your head, it digs in deep.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s because I am Irish.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

But, seriously, I didn’t do it.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

but he hasn’t shown much when’s he’s healthy this year.

According to fangraphs, his UZR rating is -8.0 this year. Only 4 homers in 48 games, and his OBP is .328. NO thanks

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

UZR for 1 year is like batting average for 1 game.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Melky and Gregor ...

for the rest of the year than Mike Cameron. We aren’t that desperate. His defense is down (you can tell by watching), his offense has been bad this year, and he’s had problems staying healthy. There would be no point in giving up a prospect at all.

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No No No No 4 HR’s 15 RBI’s. I wouldn’t say thats 20-25 hr’s every year unless he goes on a tear

by PhuckthePhillies on Jul 31, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, of course, he has to actually play to, you know, hit HRs.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. But, he is healthy now, right? I honestly don’t know.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's playing, but not exactly healthy...
Jul 27 CF Mike Cameron, who has been playing through a painful lower abdominal tear, left Monday night’s game after the top of the ninth inning. After diving back into first base, he said the injury began to act up. But he’s hopeful of being able to play Tuesday night. “Sometimes, as the game goes on, it gets just a little cranky,” Cameron said. “It’s just the same thing as always. Some days are better than others. Today, it was just cranky all day.”

yahoo

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping Prado's inconclusive x-rays last night were because he was swollen from the trauma.

Praying today brings clarity and it’s not broken and he will be fine once we’re back at the Ted.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Same here...

he’s been MVP for us, and deserves to be top 5 in the NL voting as of right now.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another question:

Are we sure Glausosaur is going to get back on track? Seriously, I’m getting worried. He hasn’t shown anything in a month. I hope he gets it back together.

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think, like HeyJude has mentioned before, that he’s hurt and is trying to play through some pain.

A few days off (even 15) just might bring us the old Troy back for the final stretch.

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about a full platoon for a while?

A Hinske/Glaus platoon at first might do them both some good, eh?

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we get an OF.......

i’m for that. But if not, we have to use Hinske for LF’s in platoon.

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, Matty D can play full time in LF for a couple of weeks, or you can just platoon him with Blanco if you really don’t think he can handle RHP like he did last year …

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

Diaz has shown he’s not bad if playing daily, see last year.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely!

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just let Glaus sit for two weeks...

see Heyward, etc. That kind of rest can really do good. And if he’s healthy after a week and a half, he can rehab to get back going and come on strong from day 15. Find one stretch with an off day or two to let him miss as few games as possible. Unfortunately with Gonzalez and Prado and everyone else going down, we can’t afford it.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

PS

This is like the worst time to have to sit starters for extended periods of time in order to get healthy.

by pancanbra on Jul 31, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

im new

and was wondering who we were more likely to trade for

by TS BOBCAT on Jul 31, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

EDIT - homonym fail

That would be “tears” as in water from the ducts in your eyes as opposed to how Heyward tears the cover off the ball.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols.

OK, seriously, the most likely candidates seem to be Cody Ross, Mike Cameron, Jacoby Ellsbury, and just maybe Marlon Byrd or Luke Scott. Though there’s an equal chance that we trade for No Body.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

is No Body a righty?

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bats: S. Throws: S. And when he hits homers, doves fly out of his ass.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Uhhhh….

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

TONS of good reading up there too ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West

by NCChopper on Jul 31, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can see what Freeman has....

and put Glaus on the DL. We really, really need him to get healthy for the stretch run

by ZC1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

McLouth, KK, and Lowe for Lester and Ellsbury
Glaus for Pujols

World Series here we come.

by pancanbra on Jul 31, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Next stop, Never land!

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yay!

Heyward will fly us there.

by pancanbra on Jul 31, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I topped that the other day...

McLouth, Lowe, and Noboa for Utley, Halladay, and Werth.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

IDK. I think Noboa is untouchable.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

BEST TRAID EVAR

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i like tht haha but iv heard some things about Corey Hart

by TS BOBCAT on Jul 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Hi internet people!

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No. EVERYBODY wants McCutchen – everybody from every team.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

JJ, mclouth, a minor league arm not teheran, minor, or delgado

by TCfromDubVee on Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, to get a top notch CF (a big need, btw) who is under control for years and is making league minimum, you would not give up one of 5 top quality starting pitcher prospects???

This is classic over-valuing of your prospects. We have depth. Depth does us no good if we don’t dive every now and then.

The trade you propose is a rip-off of epic proportions.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would do one of JT/AZ/JJ

plus Minor, Melky (no way they take McLouth back), and any two positions prospects they want aside from that SS we got earlier this year.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is AZ?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vizcaino

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That would be AV…right?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

YOU’RE the Assman???

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Que?

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seinfeld reference. My brain got the “ass” sound from reading AZ, and I can’t help myself. I spew Seinfeld references At every available opportunity because I am the master of my domain.

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahaha. I am not a fan of the show – and I am about the only person I know of that is not.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. Then perhaps I should tell you that “master of my domain” is also a Seinfeld reference. Pelican?

by J-Freak on Jul 31, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pelican.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see

i’m just being stingy

by TCfromDubVee on Jul 31, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

But you might be the only one who thinks:

A: The Pirates would be willing to trade him

B: The asking price wouldn’t be:

JT
JJ
Hanson
Heyward
Freeman
and your firstborn child.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just you. I’ve heard the Pirates tried to just give him to us, but Wren laughed in their faces.

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not too shabby. Probably could stand to walk more, because I imagine he gets quite a few infield hits.

by pancanbra on Jul 31, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

and that's pretty consistant for a one-and-a-half-year player.

Put up .365 last year.

Has 42 BBs this year.

Heyward has 51, to put that in perspective.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTdubs

Having a healthy Heyward back in the lineup was like Frank Wren making a trade for Pujols. I love that big 20 year old kid. :-)

by pancanbra on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Dear Prado

You can use my pinky! I’ll cut it off and give it to you.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Two questions...

what are the Yankees offering for Berkman?

And would you include Hanson in a package for Braun or McCutcheon? I think I would, depending on who else had to go with them on either side. I love Big Red, but he has had his struggles and little blips on the screen. Plus it’s not like we lack high upside young arms, and we do lack an impact OF bat from the right side.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

That was a done deal, just not officially announced.

I would include Hanson in a package for either of those two guys, but not another one of our front -line prospects.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd consider it if it was one of the lower level...

I think Lopez has a lot of work to do, and Vizcaino’s injuries worry me. Not a Hanson and Minor/Delgado/Teheran, but maybe another.

And I know, just wondering what the Astros are getting as I haven’t seen that anywhere. Just that they are paying a good bit of Berkman’s deal (Ed Wade may now be passing Minaya and Moore as the most inept GM. He gives up both veterans, AND eats a lot of salary, AND doesn’t get any good prospects for them, that’s triple fail

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed Wade had a triple fail...

1) Dealing the faces of his franchise
2) Paying their salaries
3) not getting any good prospects for them

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea i get that

but the triple fail in the pic is clearly talking about something else

by atl192485 on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

FAIL

on assessing the relevance of fail images.

by Wren_and_Stimpy on Jul 31, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

There should be a fail image of that.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

O YAH

WELL YOU FAIL AT LIFE

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

:(

you guys are meaniepants

by atl192485 on Jul 31, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take that.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure it does. It’s triple fail.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it depends on the rest of the package, but I’d deal Hanson for either of them.

by Lennox on Jul 31, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

IDEA

Sign Heyward’s lil bro Jacob. So what if he’s fifteen? HE HAS THE SAME BLOOD OF JASON.

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

interesting

Pirates just called up infielder Argenis Diaz and first baseman Jeff Clement from AAA. could we be getting garrett jones or neil walker? just speculating, of course

by atl192485 on Jul 31, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

perhaps

"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones

by MBL1 on Jul 31, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They just traded for Chris Snyder…I’m not sure if that fits in with this somehow…

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turns out, I was right
9:31am: The D’Backs will receive Bobby Crosby and Ryan Church in the deal, tweets Jack Magruder of FOX Sports Arizona. This explains the call-ups today of Argenis Diaz and Jeff Clement, to some extent.

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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT

by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions