Braves Fall To Nationals 5-3, Lose Series
by Scott Coleman on Jul 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT
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The Atlanta Braves hadn't lost a series to a National League team since mid-May. They've now lost two series in a row.
The Nationals won today in rainy Washington DC behind Scott Olsen, Mike Morse, Ian Desmond and Will Nieves. So as you can imagine, it was pretty frustrating day.
Derek Lowe started for the Braves and pitched decently, but his struggles to put away hitters continued. It seemed like Nats hitters were getting big hit after big hit with two strikes. Lowe ended up going 5 innings and allowed 4 runs, and picked up his 9th loss of the season.
Scott Olsen was on the mound for Washington and pitched 6 strong innings, allowing 3 runs (2 earned), on 6 hits and 2 walks. The vastly under-rated Nationals bullpen shut down the Braves for the 3rd straight game for the final three innings. Matt Capps finished the Braves in the 9th for his 26th save of the season.
The Nats got on the board first in the 2nd when Michael Morse grounded out to Omar Infante to bring in Adam Dunn from 3rd. Then, after it appeared Derek Lowe had Ian Desmond struck out on the previous pitch, Desmond hit a solo-HR to center field on a 3-2 pitch.
Matty Diaz continued to kill left-handed pitching and hit a 2-run HR off of Scott Olsen to tie the game 2-2. Diaz has played in 20 games since his thumb injury and has 5HRs and 11RBI in that span.
Our $60MM ace promptly broke the tie in the bottom of the 4th, when Will Nieves drove in two runners with an RBI-single to right. It was a questionable call by Bobby to pitch to Nieves with one out and 1st base open, especially with Scott Olsen and the light-hitting Nyjer Morgan coming up next.
The Braves failed to score after the 4th inning and Adam Dunn added an insurance solo-HR in the 8th off of Takashi Saito.
Nats win 5-3.
Another tough loss for the Braves. After the jump, I'm going to say a few things about this current team. Read them if you'd like and discuss. If not, skip over to the comments.
So the Braves are now 4-6 since the All-Star Break. That's not an awful number, but when you're facing the Brewers, Marlins and Nationals, you'd expect at least .500.
My question is this: Where are the Braves going to get their spark from? I know we simply cannot follow what the Phillies are doing, but the fact is that they're our biggest competition for the playoff hunt and in the NL East. In the last 24 hours, they've added a top-prospect in Brown and one of the better pitchers in baseball in Roy Oswalt. Shane Victorino will be back within two weeks and we all know Chase Utley is coming back eventually. And this doesn't include any other possible moves they could make before the trade deadline.
The Braves got a huge spark in May when Bobby brilliantly inserted Prado and Heyward to the top of the lineup, along with starting Eric Hinske against all right-handed pitchers. We're in 1st place because of that move alone. I also know we just got Jurrjens back to the rotation, along with Matt Diaz, but I still feel like this team is missing "it". The problem is, I'm not exactly sure what "it" is.
One problem I see is the Braves have no ML-ready prospects they're waiting to call up for this season. Freddie Freeman is probably ready, but unless Glaus really gets hurt, I don't think there's any chance we call him up. Craig Kimbrel could be a power arm out of the pen, but a 7th inning reliever can only bring so much. Our outfield is already crowded as it is, and while they're a solid 4th OF, a guy like Gregor Blanco or Matt Young isn't really going to excite anybody.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this: This is Bobby Cox's final season. He's a legend. We'll never have another Bobby. And while we certainly don't want to make a stupid move to severely cripple our future, I keep getting the feeling the Braves are going to stand pat at the deadline. This team could win a World Series. Win a World Series for Bobby and for Chipper. Win one for every Braves fan that's been through hell since 2006. I don't want to look back on the 2010 season as a year of "what if's" and "shoulda, woulda, coulda....". Maybe Frank Wren needs to deal one of his top, young prospects for a proven Major League veteran. Maybe this team needs a little spark and a little "win now" mentality from the Front Office. I think most Braves fans agree that this team is just a little something away from being great. Let's hope we find that little something soon.
Go Braves.
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agreed.
have you ever been so frustrated you started squishing blueberries? I have found a new stress reliever!
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For Bobby, Chipper AND Wagner
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I had that in my original post and then took it out. While it would be nice, Wagner doesn’t deserve to be mentioned with Bobby in Chipper in terms of Braves legends. Bobby and Chipper have been with this team for 15+ years. Wagner has been with them for 4 months.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point there.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but we got noboa!
We have traded away great players for less than nothing and let Texierra walk away, and much much more so pray that Hayward is sent from God and that his energy can ignite the veterans and cause the younger players to hustle more and play winning baseball...
My buddy sent me a text this morning saying the DBacks and Braves made a big trade…total buzzkill when i got on MLBTR and saw what happened.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like EVERYONE in the league is doing something except us
We have traded away great players for less than nothing and let Texierra walk away, and much much more so pray that Hayward is sent from God and that his energy can ignite the veterans and cause the younger players to hustle more and play winning baseball...
Nats are going to be good
Ryan Zimmerman
Harper
Ramos
Desmond
Jordan Zimmerman
Strasburg
Storen
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
They freaking destroyed the Twins in that series
2 months of Matt Capps for Ramos? Really? Even if Ramos turns out to be a decent catcher, they’ll still win the deal. Anything else would be gravy.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Rizzio looking strong, wondering what he will get for Dunn
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for making a move even if it costs losing a top guy, and my head tells me that it could be a risky move, but I’m in the camp of wanting to send out Bobby on top. Frankly, I’d be fine with mortgaging some of our future for that.
Happily supporting non-championship teams and self-medicating since 1996.
by chantshuffler on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Deal anybody but Teheran and Freeman.
If Vizcaino, Delgado, or Minor along with other low level specs (Bethancourt, the guys we got from Toronto, etc.) will net us a bat, then it needs to be done. Melky, Dunn, and Vizcaino landed Vazquez. Melky, Dunn, and Vizcaino could maybe land us the hitting equivalent.
Do it Wren.
You can
It requires league approval, but it’s not as if that hasn’t happened plenty over the last couple of years. Jake Peavy and Mark Lowe leap readily to mind.
It is rare
when teams trade for a hurt “prospect”
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Marlins just did it
If Jason Heyward were to hit a home run off of you, you would have to fight the urge to thank him.
by bravesforever16 on Jul 30, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You can trade injured minor leaguers
If you can remember we traded Tony Pena Jr for Erik Cordier a couple years back and Cordier just had TJ surgery and missed the entire season.
I wouldn't either
I like Kemp but there’s a reason he keeps getting benched in LA, I don’t want to see an Escobar type situation again but then again maybe a change of scenery will do him some good like Esco. I still wouldn’t trade JT though, maybe Medlen, Dunn, Schafer and Lopez for Kemp.
No it really isn't
Medlen has been great but we have guys that can step in and take over his spot in the rotation, Dunn we have several good LHRP so he’s expendable for a bat, Schafer at this point doesn’t have much value but still could develop and be a really good CF and Lopez while he’s a good prospect he’s also a long ways away and we have several good prospects as is.
So really that isn’t too much for a young middle of the order type bat in Kemp.
I was more meaning an equivalent of those guys. I’d give up an outfielder, relief pitcher and Delgado for a stick.
by Bobby Cocks on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be willing to part with JT
only because if we were to part with him we’d be getting a fantastic return
Jason Heyward...great guy
I wouldn't chance it
The Tex deal is still too fresh lol! Seriously though if we were to get a good young power bat I wouldn’t be mad at all. Say Kris Medlen, Julio Teheran, Mike Dunn, Jordan Schafer and Mycal Jones for Ryan Braun type deal i’d do outside that type deal not really.
Nah our system is way to deep to have to give up someone like him
If Jason Heyward were to hit a home run off of you, you would have to fight the urge to thank him.
by bravesforever16 on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WE officially need to make a move
Philly is as hot as they’ve been all season and we are as cold as we have been since May.
I would have liked Lee because he would’ve given us 3 reliable pitchers(Huddy/JJ)
I have no idea what we could get to put us over the hump but i am willing to trade anyone but Freddie as of now
Jason Heyward...great guy
at this point
Philly will pass us, unless we get someone to stabilize our lineup… but I am not sure that impact bat is even available for a trade
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
im willing to trade JT
but only for an imediate/young impact bat i.e. maybe Kemp if he is even remotly available
Jason Heyward...great guy
no way he is available
but I would not trade JT for Kemp
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Really is not that valuable
and he is a terrible CF
2008: 3.2 WAR
2009: 5.1 WAR
2010: 0.5 WAR
He does not walk all that much around 7% for his career, and his strikeouts are getting worse 27% this year!!! Career 25%
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He is 26
and is a legit 5 tool player…i’d love Kemp but being realistic know LAD wouldn’t be dumb enough to trade him
Jason Heyward...great guy
26
is where you should see significant jumps in production, not significant downgrades
He is over-valued, and is not a great player at a corner OF position. Sadly that is where he needs to be
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is the situation
Wren doesn’t like the guys that are rumored to be available because they give us very little beyond this season. I would be these are the kind of calls he is making. He’ll give up some young pitching for a young, proven outfielder. I know people have thrown out Luke Scott, but I wonder if we could give Baltimore a sweet enough deal to get Adam Jones or Nick Markakis.
My thinking is that we could send them Resop, Minor, Collins, Diamond, Schafer for one of those guys. Markakis will be on the downside of his prime years before they are anywhere close to relevant again, so maybe we can offer them some pitching help to get things turned around. They are never going to outhit the teams in their division, but they may be able to build a strong pitching staff to give them a fighting chance in a few years.
Outside the box
DFA Glaus and go for Dunn. FA after the season, we get a draft pick and don’t block Freeman
Heyward is pretty good
If the Twins gave Ramos for Capps
no way, we can get Dunn… to be honest
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, they're asking for way too much
and probably will want more intradivision
by kbertling353 on Jul 30, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Great post mvhs
Make no mistake about it, we have a good team . But for Bobby and Chippers sake how about we put the pieces in place to have a great team. The “win now” mentality should never be more appropriate than the situation we are currently in with a legend manager on his way out. It is only appropriate that we reclaim what was rightfully ours for 1.5 decades. For the next two days I’m Frank Wren’s biggest fan
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
Slow Down
We need to chill out for a minute. The Braves have been one of the best teams in the NL with just about every regular missing some time during the year. This is no time for a panic trade to overpay for a marginal upgrade. Wren only needs to deal for a real impact bat that is controllable for more than this year.
This team has enough pitching and really only needs one impact bat, and there aren’t too many of those guys available.
Please do not break the glass on the emergency box yet.
by JFP on Jul 30, 2010 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I dont believe
the impact bat is out there, not sure what we do..
Our pitching is not that good, that our offense can support us and still expect to win the majority of our games.
Unless Glaus turns it around and turns into the guy he was in May, but it looks like he is starting to break down. Which is not surprising.
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
going 2-4
against the Marlins and the Nats when we didnt even face Josh Johnson or Strasburg? thats terrible. We lost to freaking Batista in the first game of the series. BATISTA!!!
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
two of those losses were blown saves, so even with a slumping offense the Braves could have gone 4-2 in that same stretch.
however
we didnt and now the Phillies are 2.5 games behind us.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I say no one in the farm
is untouchable. The Braves have a history of great scouting and drafting and can easily get it all back. (I just wish the Hawks would follow the Braves lead…) The past is over, the future hasn’t come yet, so live in the present.
Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.
Right now we have 2 reliable starters (JJ/Huddy)
Tommy is either stellar or awful
D-Lowe is either quality or below average
Medlen has cooled
I wish we would have went after a top pitcher but it is too late now
I think we need to make a move now but am stumped to who we could/would trade for…
Jason Heyward...great guy
??
They arent aces for a reason my friend. But as far as Im concerned, I like our matchups across the board outside of St louis and Philly. We matchup well with just about any squad. IMO.
We really need a bat....
I’m not sure what we can do, but we need a big bat. I mean, I know people don’t like him, but I really, really think Chris Young could put us over the top. We might be able to steal him considering they have no front office right now.
Chris Young wouldn't do much
i’d rather go after someone that would provide significant increase production
Jason Heyward...great guy
Wren HAS to have something up his sleeve
If his comment about a week ago that he was content to go with internal options was anything more than a smokescreen, then he isn’t worth the chair he sits on in his office. No GM in their right mind would look at this team and think there’s no reason to improve. Remember, guys, that Wren has a phobia of media attention before a deal- there were 0 McLouth rumors last year, 0 Yunel-Gonzalez rumors this year. I’m sure he’s working on something, but if he doesn’t manage to pull it off by Saturday we’ll probably never find out what he was working on. But if he really is sitting on his duff waiting for a call to come to him offering someone up on a platter rather than pursuing something, we should hang him.
Chris Young
IS not really that much up of an upgrade…
reminds me of Alex Gonzalez this year, but not as extreme…
He is having one of his best years, and still is a slightly above average player.
I mean he is a career .240/.312/.443
And hits for power in a very hitter friendly park
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
but i hate hearing the words “Alex Gonzalez trade”
by kbertling353 on Jul 30, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It's so damn quiet right now
There’s literally nothing going on publicly from the Braves end.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
I mean
what moves can we make, who is available that can really help us..
Josh Willingham makes sense, but damn the Nats just got Ramos for Capps
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I’m not a GM.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
you are suppose
to put on your E-GM hat, and whine and moan with the rest of us…. You call this a blog
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats bad journalism
If Jason Heyward were to hit a home run off of you, you would have to fight the urge to thank him.
by bravesforever16 on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
to be honest the fact that it is so quiet on the braves front is intriguing. either wren is the biggest dumbass in the world or he’s working on a blockbuster or philibuster hehe
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
was that a reply to me?
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
Wow!
I must be the only one that thinks we’re cool. 9 series’ in August, of which 6 are at home, with three on the road against Houston, Chicago, and Colorado. I think we’re fine. Philly is just streaking. The may pass us, they may not, but itll be close by the time we play them in the last two weeks of the season.
Whoever thought we would run away with the NL East even with an addition, is delusional. This will be a fight and, I for one am excited as all hell.
Peace
by aRC on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think anyone thought we would run away with the East…
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm looking forward to that home slate, too.
This road trip can’t end too soon. The difference right now is that the Phills are getting it done against crummy teams and we’re letting them walk on us. We should be pounding the piss out of the likes of Florida and the Nationals.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but the reality is this team still needs something against Playoff level teams, if we even make the playoffs of course
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Buster Olney said that the Dodgers might be sellers at the deadline. I would love to add Matt Kemp if that is somehow possible.
Supposedly
He’s in their doughouse.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Also read on mlbtraderumors......
that we are still pursuing Josh Willingham.
Our defense would probably suck, but...
Willingham in LF, Heyward in CF, Diaz in RF would be beastly. Maybe even try Hinske in RF and then always shift Heyward over slightly to right-center field to help Hinske out. Bring in Melky in as a defense replacement in the late innings for Diaz or Hinske and swap him with Heyward.
Prado
Heyward
Chipper
Willingham
McCann
Glaus
Diaz/Hinske
Gonzalez
That’s beautiful.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm warming up
To a scenario like that.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
im not
that defense would be terrible and wouldnt be worth the trade IMO
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Willingham/Heyward/Diaz wouldn’t be horrible, especially with Blanco or Melky coming in the latter innings.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
by Scott Coleman on Jul 30, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean seriously the Dodgers
run
Manny/Kemp/Either
It is still better than that
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
ewww that's terrible
i would hate to be a fly ball pitcher with that group
by kbertling353 on Jul 30, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You stop the bleeding
Before you start hanging the curtains.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
it would be even better with the return of the Glausosaurs mighty roar
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
i dont think we've got to
see Heywards full defensive potential in right
A lot of room in right center, if he hits one there we can dance in the streets, the 2-1....
First off
Great, great write up. I thoroughly enjoy your writing. Secondly, I’m usually inclined to say I don’t think we should panic. We have a really good team. A couple of really good prospects on the farm for the next few years to come. Problem is, Bobby wont be in the dugout in a few years, and neither will Chip. This season its been much ballyhooed that we wanted to send Bobby out a winner, win one for the gipper so to speak. This team, as good as they are, can not do this. Right now, we’re the worlds tallest midget. We are really good, but not elite.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions
If you dont try to win
with a 7 game lead after the all-star break, when do you?
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully when that 7 magically becomes a 2.5
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Um...
On what planet does a 2.5 game lead = giving up on the season?
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
no one is giving up on the season, but this is a much different feeling 2.5 game lead than the one we previously had. When you’re playing well and you’ve got a lead like that its like “Alright guys, we’re up a couple games on the defending champs!” but when you’re playing the way we’ve played it looks more like “Holy crap! The Phillies are so close to our back side I can almost feel the penetration!”
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand your point.
You’re saying that this team “can not do this,” and that they should not try to win for Bobby this year. Yet you say you aren’t giving up on the season. These statements seem mutually exclusive.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
giving up on the season means just that, giving up. saying this team can’t do that means lets add another piece.
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, well you didn't really make that clear.
You only stated negatives about the team and never said that we should add anyone.
But I agree with your general idea. Let’s get another piece.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad, I thought it was implied with the flow of all the conversations. I was reading all of your other posts though and I was like “Whats this guys deal? We have the same ideas!” Haha…but my bad. I definitely should have crystalized my thoughts more
by thenightstallion on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It's cool
All’s well that ends well.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
was this not trying to win a directive from the owners. Did Bobby really comply with that. I can hear his pregame speeches now. “Well fellas, we’re 7 up on the Phils and Mets but ownership says don’t try to win anymore, so lets go give it our best to lose”
I think you misunderstood me
I am saying we should be in win now mode….
We should be buyers at the deadline and take a shot at the WS
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
And I’m say that they are in a win now mode every day time they play a game. The win now mode is just a catchy saying that someone came up with.
It has more to do with the organization approach
Eventually you have to decide you will actually compete or not and build for the future
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully the goal is to compete every year and build for the future at the same time. I’m all for pulling the trigger on a trade, but we’re not seeing the players available that will make enough of a difference to sacrifice anything of the future.
I wouldn’t be able to sit here and bash FW for not pulling the trigger on a trade that was a marginal upgrade just because it would send the “signal” that we are in a win now mode. We’ve been in a win now mode since spring training when they brought Heyward north.
The season has gone very well even with plenty of injuries and there’s reason to believe that the recent stretch is a speed bump and not a precursor to going from being in the lead in your division to out of contention.
Honestly
I’m worried. This team essentially got
1. A Solid #3 arm in J.J.
2. A great RF bat in Heyward
3. A great RH bat in Diaz
within a matter of a week and we still are scuffling.
Some of it lies on the BP for losing those games in Florida but at the same time there is no reason for us to have lost that game against Batista. Fact of the matter remains that although Oswalt pitches terribly against us he pitches well against every other team in baseball and those are the teams he is going to be seeing until the end of September. For that reason I am worried.
Also rumors are that the Phillies are going after Jose Bautista to play 3B. A 30 HR bat in that lineup that already has so much depth would be kind of crazy.
Yes we could technically stand pat and hope that our players get back to their career numbers since almost everyone is playing below their norms. BUT the fact of the matter is that the Phillies have woken up and they now have added one of the top pitchers in the game. Whether we want to or not we need to make some kind of move.
In my opinion the best option on the table is Markakis. The Orioles were apparently listening on all of their players and said no one was really untouchable. Markakis would bring some stability to the lineup. While he doesnt bring a ton of HR power he brings consistency and he hits doubles like crazy. Also has great plate discipline and a great OBP perfect for hitting 2nd.
I say get Nick Markakis and call it a day. Then go with a lineup of
1. Prado 2B
2. Markakis RF
3. Chipper 3B
4. McCann C
5. Heyward CF
6. Glaus 1B
7. Hinske/Diaz LF
8. Gonzalez SS
9. Pitcher
I wouldn’t mind giving up
Mike Minor
Scott Diamond
Robinson Lopez
Cory Gearrin
Mycal Jones
I think the Braves got unlucky in that what we need right now (a power-hitting OF) is exactly what—for the most part—isn’t much on the market. If we had needed a SP or RP, there were tons of really good ones out there, including some difference-makers like Lee and Oswalt. But with DeJesus hurt and Willingham and Werth in the division, there’s not really any OFs available that make a big difference, unless you’re a Corey Hart believer.
I have been in the “standing pat” group for a while now, but I think I was wrong. I think this team could really use another power source from either OF or 1B (a Glaus re-resurgence would fix things, but I don’t know when/if that will happen). I just don’t know if we can get that in this market. I don’t envy Frank Wren right now; he’s in a tough spot. We’ve still got a good chance at the playoffs even if we stand pat, but I’d sure love to have more than just a “good chance”.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions
i dont think
we really need power. Just consistency. a player throwing up a .800+ OPS in CF would be great or RF if we move Heyward. Right now our CF spot is a black hole in terms of production.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on board with Heyward in CF and getting a RF
but I do think anyone we get needs at least moderate power. And yes, consistency would be great too. But there really aren’t that many guys who fit either of those profiles who are available.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Jose Bautista is apparently a hot commodity.
The reaction here would be Tolstoy-level epic.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Bautista
but I guess he’d be a pretty good improvement over Melky… probably.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd be a nice piece to have next year
If Larry walks away this winter.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I like this idea
but I didn’t think he was on the market. Haven’t heard anything on him.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
there was a report
a while ago saying the Orioles were open to trading almost anyone. I’ll see if i can find it.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Hm.
Well, sounds like the price would be high. But I would trade Minor + complimentary pieces for him, no doubt about it. He’s legit.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I am hoping
that with Showalter being hired, doesnt prevent them from moving players
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a good way to sum it up…
i agree though…i would focus a trade around minor as well
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
let me clarify
i would center a trade around minor and not think twice about pulling that trigger if the end result was markakis
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Minor
He seems like a far more viable, and expendable, piece in any deal we would make in the next couple of days (compared to any of the younger guys.)
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
I wonder
if he was drafted just for the purpose of being traded the next year
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i have been starting to think this theory is more viable recently…i was puzzled when we drafted him, but if we drafted him to maximize his value and then deal him…thatd b pretty genius
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I've seen that idea
Floated by more than one person.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
it kind of makes sense
he was a college guy and would move quickly through the system. We had no one in our upper minors as far as pitching depth so he would either be A. Insurance against a slew of injuries or B. Trade bait.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
He’s a bit of a tool, too, so…might not fit in our future plans.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
As would I
The problem is they actually have a great pitching core and need positional prospects. There is no way I would give up Freeman however I would consider Mycal Jones, and some of our other position players. Even some of our BP arms.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm intrigued.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
by Sam Jethroe on Jul 30, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Brad Hawpe is available.
Anyone interested? (I’m not, not with his defense)
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it really is a tough market
We really need an impact OF bat, but those are really not available. Unless we offer a Tex type package to wow them….
I guess its up to Wren to see if he thinks this team has enough to hold off the Phillies and make a run in the playoffs. If not he will stand pat and hope for the best, and wait till next year.
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It sucks hard
because if we had a rotation spot, we could’ve gotten Lee for not too much, or Oswalt or Haren for practically nothing. But an OF that helps us is going to cost a buttload.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
this is true
i just hope he doesnt get someone thats a gamble. Apparently we were interested in Felix Pie for some reason.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh
NOT the answer.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
when i read that all i could think of was Wren making a move just to make one but not giving up anything of value. Unless he did something like Resop for Pie. 2 players out of options.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't anyone else like to see Minor promoted to the bigs
see what we can get out of him…he has torn up the minor leagues…plus a lefty in the rotation could be nice…we have 5 righties as of now…plus i would be thrilled to see dlowe sat down or medlan moved back to the pen…
by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
i dont think
i would say he’s exactly “Torn Up” the minors
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure he did.
He wrote his name 5 times on a sheet of paper. Then he tore that sheet of paper up.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
How hasn't he torn up the minors?
His FIP’s since his debut: 1.06, 3.21, 2.56
by eaheckman10 on Jul 30, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
adam dunn
i know his defense would be bad in LF, but it would probably be about the same as Willingham’s (not at all good defensively…haha)
i know the asking price is high atm, but if it came down would anyone be intrigued by him?
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions
Willingham's D is bad
but Dunn’s is way, way, way, WAY worse. If we got Dunn, I’d play him at 1B.
Apparently they wanted Beckham or two top prospects from the White Sox for him, though. Don’t think 2 months of Dunn is worth nearly that much.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Nats robbed the Twins for Capps
So I have to imagine Dunn’s asking price is ridiculous
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I couldn't believe that one.
I’m starting to think Rizzo might know what he’s doing.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yea i think hes done a good job
he hasn’t really made a bad move that i can think about…i remember when they were looking for a new gm, i figured itd be best for the nats to keep him cuz he had made some good moves
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
fair point...
he traded for lastings milledge…need i say more?
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
haha nope
Was it Rizzio who traded Milledge to the Pirates?
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i think so
rizzo got morgan…was that the same deal? i wouldve fired my gm for even trading a baseball for lastings…
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of people praised that trade.
“Reasoning” that since Lastings was younger, he had more upside.
Never mind the fact that he’s a hosehead, he’s got skilzzzzz.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
I think you are right
man..Nats have been spending on the draft too…
They will be scary
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd prefer we don't sell out for dunn either...especially since we don't have a good place for him...if 1st base was the position we needed than yes...but not to stretch him playing OF
by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
well if Glaus isn't going to revert to his May form...
1B is a position of need for us.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
problem with Glaus
that there is nowhere to play him either, he would have to be DFA
not sure we would do that
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
We would if we had to.
We released Glavine. After that, DFAing Glaus is nothing.
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but Glaus carried this team in May, just seems strange
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i still strongly believe glaus will bounce back
he’s had a horrible july sorta like his horrible april…but man when he got hot he was spectacular…
by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping for that too
but this has been one long slump
"Yeah, and I have an enchanted jock strap." -- Karl Karlson
by Jacob Peterson on Jul 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
July
and June, but let it be known I am a Glaus fan….
I just hope he finds his stroke soon, we really dont have that much time to wait ask Mclouth
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed on the price
the price is exorbitant…
just figured he kinda fits to an extent..he hits balls a long, long way, and he gets on base a bunch as well
just figured i would throw the discussion out there…
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow according to MLBTR
Rangers offered their top 3 prospects for Josh Johnson, but were turned down….
Intriguing idea, but Johnson is very valuable at such a low price
They could offer a couple more
And still come out on top. Not even Joe Girardi could ruin that kid’s arm.
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
i saw that
rangers were told johnson was unmovable…johnson is so damn good…just figured id say it
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly
They probably should have offered more than that. Prob add Andrus in the deal. Move Hanley to 3B or Andrus to 2B and Trade Uggla or put him at 3B.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
love the second bit about braves season
I know it’s easy to panic right now, but I definitely won’t. O’flaherty will be back. Melky/Blanco will be better than McLouth whatever way you look at it. It seems like a lot will depend on Troy Glaus. He will need to pick it up and regain that form he had earlier or he definitely won’t be on the team next year. He needs to turn back into the 2009 Yunel Escobar and be that RBI man. Hopefully, Jason Heyward stays healthy and only improves as the 2nd half goes. We also destroy Oswalt historically and I like the way we play the phillies head-to-head this year. I wouldn’t be upset if Frank Wren stands pat at the deadline. It’ll be exciting and one hell of a race down the stretch, any how.
you do realize
that O’flaherty only adds marginal value to this team? Dunn has actually been pretty solid for us so its not like we have been missing anything. Also Melky and Blanco should not be counted on
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
plus Melky has been with us all year
guy is not that good, 4th OF at best
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
you do realize
that Dunn has pitched 4.1 innings this season? He also has 5 walks. Sure, he has looked nice but I would rather have an experienced O’Flaherty with less control problems and more reliability. You can knock on Melky/Blanco all you want, but it’s much better than anything McLouth was producing.
Again people
There’s a simple explanation why all this is happening.
“Already a lock”
Ever since this was posted we have been struggling!
Will sacraficing a chicken get us out of it?
Or will Jobu need to be appeased?
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Kill him!
We promptly blew a save then Wednesday night, and lost the following two series after that. KILL HIMMMMM!
"It said 'Bear Left,' so they turned around and went home...." - John Smoltz
what would the yankees do with dunn??
DH him? i don’t even know who their DH is…
by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
I would imagine so
Nick Johnson is injured (big surprise) and done for the year
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees
should really get a SS and move Jeter to DH.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
just to throw out names..
the angels could potentially become sellers apparently so what about bobby abreu? he had a good year last year…not so much this year…i’m not saying i necessarily think he is the answer i just wanna know people’s opinions bc he could fill one of the outfield spots
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT reply actions
No.
Bobby Abreu would be a butcher for us in the field and he has fallen off.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't argue this too much but
in fairness everyone we r looking at is not great in the field…haha
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Torrii Hunter is intriguing to me
but too expensive money and prospects probably for the return…
That and I doubt the Angels would trade him
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd be okay with getting him depending on the package...
i haven’t paid close attention to him recently but i’d assume he is still a solid glove and a solid bat…
by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Id say
he is average with the glove, but a plus bat from the CF position.
a Legit .280/.340/.470 hitter
20+ HR pop too
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i would love Torii Hunter
but i don’t think there’s any way they part with him
by forgotten_glory on Jul 30, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
what has happened to the talk of willingham??
is he no longer a trade candidate or is the asking price too high or what?
by SouthernPanther on Jul 30, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
asking price too high
especially within division
by UltimaParadox on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
His brother
Hits from that side.
Just sayin’…
"FIP isn’t horseshit. It’s just horseshit for Hudson." - frozendesert
Does anybody feel like the Braves will end season with one guy hitting over 20HRs this season?
That guy one being Brian McCann. Basically the same problem we had last year. Why does it feel like April all over again? Ugh.
by romone_braves91 on Jul 30, 2010 1:33 AM EDT reply actions
I think Jason Heyward will get over 20, but it’s the Atlanta Braves of recent years. We just don’t win with multiple homers.
prado might, heyward might, glaus might
yea, maybe mac and one of those other guys
barring a significant free agent signing, next year won’t be different
freddie’s a great prospect but probably won’t hit 20+ homers next year
by kbertling353 on Jul 30, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
CHILL OUT
ITS ONLY 10 GAMES! WE WILL BE FINE! Keep the faith and the prospects (esp mike minor and company)
For references: See Adam Wainwright, current cy young favorite
Additional Information can be found at: Texiera trade
The Wainright deal worked out great for both teams and yes it would be nice to have him in our rotation but JD Drew played great for the time he was here and got us into the post season. Thats what happens with win now trades.
The trade for Tex wouldnt look so bad had we actually made the play offs those two years.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more MVHS. This team has had me talking to myself on car rides alone the past couple days, basically saying the same things. …“If we don’t make a move, Philly passes us.” ….“We are loaded with too much talent to throw this year away like this..” The key is, we need to either get our acts together OR preferably make a move to acquire a bat. And if Wren doesn’t want to make either of those happen, we don’t win the division, it’s quite simple, things don’t get EASIER from here. First place Cincinnati, the Giants, the Cards. Sure its only been a 10 game stretch, but we should have easily gone 6-4.. 7-3 in the past 10. Go Braves everyone.
Hockey is my oxygen, football is my food, and baseball is my water. I'd say basketball is my shelter, but I'd rather not lie.
If we should have easily gone 7-3 over the past 10, why do we need to make a huge trade? Making a trade isn’t going to help underperforming guys (over a 10 game span) start performing again.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i think
they are saying that a big name trade would spark this team.
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. I think getting hits would spark this team.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
True...
but you can’t over look the mental boost these guys can sometimes bring, ala McGriff setting the place on fire when he arrived. Sometimes adding a guy can relieve some pressure, and sometimes the new guy is just better at getting hits than the old guy (at least we’d hope).
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
hehe…setting the place on fire…
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
2 cents
I didn’t read through the whole thread but my opinion is that unless Wren and the FO does a blockbuster deal for an OF bat then whatever happens around the deadline will not equal what the Phillies just did. The Capps trade helps the Braves this year just to get him out of the divsion and weaken their pen bal year. All these names like Young, Hart, Ross (two of which seem to be off the table) aren’t enough improvement in the OF to make a difference. The Phillies are hot and just made a move to win the division and the Braves will have to try to equalize that with a trade we as fans probably are not seeing yet if they want to win this year. And that trade will take some prospects with them if it happens, a lot like the Texieria deal. So we’ll see what happens, but I have a feeling the Phillies are in control even 2-3 games back right now until the Braves respond accordingly.
list
can someone that knows what they are talking about please list 5 legitimate bats we COULD aquire? The “pujols for minor and JT and bla blah blahs” just arent cutting it for me. Also remember all of Wrens recent trades have come waaaaay out of left field. As an example Noone knew(or at least not to my knowledge per this site and MLBTR) gonzy was considered, mcclouth, vasquez, glaussosaur, etc trades. He seems to put up quite a big rumored whirlwind of players, then swoop in on one noone figured was available. Maybe we’ll see another. Anyway please list 5 players that would work for us and are considered available.
I don't profess to know what I'm talking about...
…but that’s seldom a prerequisite for this site. Here’s a list, though:
Marlon Byrd
Jose Bautista
Corey Hart (said to be off market, but I doubt that)
Rickie Weeks (only if he or Prado can play LF?)
Shin-soo Choo
Of note: the highest-ranking Brave in Major League OPS right now is Martin Prado… 49th. All of the players listed above rank higher.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
Anyone have any idea what the Indians would want for Choo? I’ve always kind of liked him (though being Korean myself I’m a little biased) and the tribe are going nowhere fast but I think he’s still under team control for 3 more years so I’d imagine the price would be pretty high.
by DeadlyWalrus on Jul 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on what they have traded players in the past for, I’d say that something like Kimbrel, Hoover and Hicks should be enough. They haven’t exactly brought in top talent in exchange for their top talent.
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Carlos Santana for Casey Blake
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The Colon deal...
Justice and Grissom for Lofton, I’d say they have their share of good ones.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Choo is highly thought-of by non-Koreans, as well. He is an impact player – elite bat, average to above-average defender in RF, good base-runner. I would be very pleased with that acquisition.
Don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem with Choo
is he will be a rental. I believe he has to go back to Korea to serve his military time after this season. That is 2 full seasons.
He has said several times that won't happen...
if they win the Asian games he’s exempt, and if not, he’s implied denouncing SK citizenship and becoming an American.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that something is going to be worked out for his military service. At worst I think he would essentially become arbitration eligible for 5 years since he won’t become an FA until he has six years of service time and he wouldn’t be accruing any while he’s in the military.
by DeadlyWalrus on Jul 30, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Markakis
Brad Hawpe
Jose Bautista
Marlon Byrd
Shin-Soo Choo
by drumzalicious on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Quite an interesting read.
. . . (yep, read it all)
One of the reasons I love TC is…being a fan who admits to not studying much in depth about the other teams outside of the Braves, you all do and I never leave here without learning something.
I’m disappointed to see our 7 game lead almost disintegrate, but we all knew that it was going to be hard to sustain that kind of lead in the competitive NL East this year so I’m not totally shocked to see it at only 2.5 now. Thank goodness it’s just July and we have some time to figure things out, maybe make a trade and/or get our guys back on track and hit (in key situations) again.
The last 2 series were hard to watch. But, we always seem to lose the games we should win versus the Marlins and Nats for some reason so I’m glad to have that part of this road trip over with and we can get on to Cincinnati and then back to the warm confines of the Ted.
????
Do we really need to give up a lot just to get a big bat, or do we just need someone who can hit with men on base? We’re walking a lot so the opportunities have been there. Singles score runs too, it’s not always about the homers. Wrenn may surprise us yet, we’ll have to wait and see.
"Curve: The loveliest distance between two points." ~ Mae West
I dunno what it is about the Nats, but we can’t seem to beat them (better figger out how, though – they’re on the schedule a lot). Two blown saves should be an aberration, but it was two lost games.
With the trades already made, I gotta think that one A-/B+ pitching prospect ought to be enough to garner “the bat we need”. If that’s doable, then I would personally pull that trigger — we can certainly afford to use one of those kids to get what the ML club needs without harming the depth still coming up.
Otherwise, the team seems to have regressed to its April ways… we need to find out how to get the calendar turned to ‘May’ again. We’ll find out shortly whether we still have the Reds’ number.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
Ohman, Mike Gonzalez, Campillo
What are these guys doing these days?
Kimbrell?
I would feel better with any of these over Saito or Chavez.
"It looks like The Hound of the Baskervilles out there." - Steve Stone
"...I'm reminded of Wuthering Heights." - Harry Caray
~
I see a troll under that bridge!
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
We have the second best record in the NL and 5th best in the ML
and we have struggled since the ASB. Not too bad for a team most people thought wouldn’t really sniff the playoffs.
Choo Choo Choo
I think that he would be an ideal pick-up, and the indians are always getting ripped off (pun intended)… that would take the piss outta my cheerios for sure
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
Couple of thoughts...
About this:
Win one for every Braves fan that’s been through hell since 2006
All I can say is, you don’t know hell, and I’m not saying that to me a smart-a**. I get accused of trying to be everyone’s mother or something, but the fact is I am (unfortunately?, fortunately?) a little older, so I have a little more perspective, if not anything else. Fan-wise, the last four years have not been hell. Braves fan-wise, they have not been hell. I’m just saying it could be, and has in the past been, a whole lot worse.
Secondly, I think a lot of people these days tend to look for the next big thing to motivate, the next “spark”, etc. Sure, the Phillies just added their biggest prospect to their roster. We did that a couple of months ago. Maybe if they had added him earlier, they wouldn’t have had their long slump, who knows? Should we have held Heyward back in order to get a spark now? Who knows? Basically, what I’m trying to say is this: If you have a good team, at some point you just have to go with it and believe in it, and let it do its work.
Sure you can deal one of our top prospects for a rental player, but if we do that, and it doesn’t work out, or if we do that, and it does work out, but the prospect goes on to win an MVP or something, I want y’all to know I’m making a list, and will be checking it twice and those who wanted the trade will be on record! :-)
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Also...
the quieter it gets in the trade rumor mill for the Braves, the more likely it seems to me that Wren is about to do something. He’s a sneaky little devil.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Choo Choo Choo
good defense and a solid bat… with a few steals too! he’d be perfecto!
"If I had known I was going to live this long I'd have taken better care of myself" ~ Mickey Mantle
The Nats this year...
Are like the Reds 2-3 years ago. Worst team in their division, and managed to beat the Braves in multiple series. Hopefully this year it doesn’t keep us out of the playoffs again.
I don't pour beer on Max Hall's family often, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
The Nats this year are like the Nats every year – last in the division, but somehow own the Braves. lol
This guy wants to suck all the cubs dick can he not have an unbias some what partition reguards
by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 31, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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