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I really hope this falls apart like the Cliff Lee to the Yankees rumor did.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
Apparently, they’re also interested in Bautista
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
Unless Oswalt can play 2B, this doesn’t really help them that much.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 1:53 AM EDT reply actions
yeah
a team with serious issues past their first two starters adding Oswalt doesn’t help that much. How much for what you’re smoking because that is some good sh*t.
R.I.P Jazz #6
So, they have 2 good pitchers, 1 wild card and 2 horrible pitchers in their rotation.
Meanwhile, they have an offense that completely sucks without Utley, and they don’t expect him back for another 6 weeks or so. They are also trying to unload their RF, who just happens to be one of the best OFers in the game.
They could get Oswalt, Lilly and Sabathia, and they are still in trouble.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions
And they are still 3.5 back after this amazing streak, which, by the way, was preceded by them losing 11 of 18.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
they’re trying to move werth to open up a spot for dominic brown, their very own version of jason heyward. Halladay is one of the best, oswalt is a #1, and hamels is starting to get it together. Their offense is scary, but inconsistent. They may or may not be better than the braves, but at the very least, they’re scary.
Just saw this:
“Oswalt said he wanted to be traded to a contender…”
I fully expect him to veto this trade to Philly, if that is indeed the case.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 AM EDT reply actions
Contender =/= 1st place team, necessarily
Given that they’re only 3.5 games out, and he knows Doc is around to take the brunt of the pressure, plus their pedigree of having been to the playoffs for the last three years with mostly the same team they have now (Utley injury notwithstanding), I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he accepts. The only thing that doesn’t fit is that they’re not in one of the regions he’s said he’d prefer, but there are still plenty of good reasons for him to go.
I can think of another reason he might not go. He seemed adamant about wanting any team he is traded to, to pick up his option next year. Can the Phillies afford that? If they can, then why was such a big deal made of them not being able to afford both Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee? Oswalt will cost a hell of a lot more than Lee would have, and he’s about the same caliber pitcher.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point
I forgot about his quibbling over the option. With them locked in the Howard contract that may be difficult for them. I know they’re losing Werth and all, but his 16.5M option is a good deal more than they’re paying Werth right now anyway, and if memory serves they’re going to have several holes to fill in the bullpen and whatnot.
a week or so ago, oswalt would have rejected this trade
but not anymore, now that the phillies are suddenly 3.5 back. funny how things change
wow, I just don't know what to say
Are you saying that the Phillies who after a huge cold streak are now 3.5 games back of first and charging back, are not a contender?
R.I.P Jazz #6
I say they’re not contenders. They’ve won 7 straight. They’re not going to win 17 or 27 straight. They’ll fall back to playing closer to .500 soon enough.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
absolutely
there’s definitely not enough talent on that team to play better than .500….
R.I.P Jazz #6
Since when? Did you think the same going into the year?
They’ve have injuries, bt saying they can only be .500 is a bit of wishful thinking.
He was being sarcastic.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And I said closer to .500….perhaps .550.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
So your rationale for them not being contenders (in spite of being 3.5 out in the division and 2.5 back in the WC race) is that they’re not going to win 27 straight games?
Good job completely missing the point….
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
They only reason that they are “charging back” is because Atlanta is 5-5 in it’s last 10.
If Atlanta just continues to win series, the Phillies have no shot, and are not contenders.
I don’t see why this is hard to comprehend. The Phillies are missing their best hitter, and will continue to miss him for at least another month and a half. They are trying to trade their 2nd best hitter. Adding a decent pitcher doesn’t help them. They still have the “who’s going to show up tonight” Hamels and 2 black holes in the rotation, not to mention their suspect bullpen and non-existent bench.
But ooooh, they have Halladay and Oswalt and Howard and Rollins! They are destined for greatness!
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
You, Sir, make excellent points. Do you perchance have a newsletter that I could subscribe to?
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
justin, would you agree that Jesus Werth is still on the team tiday, has not yet been traded and may not be traded; and that if he is traded, the Phillies may get another stick back in either that trade or some other trade?
I do agree that he is on the team today, and that he may not be traded at all. But, I disagree that if he is traded that they would get a bat in return for him – at least, not a bat of any significance. Their plan is to bring up the rook.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He's up now...
ignoring the Phillies is foolish, especially if they add Oswalt. The only thing holding them back would be injuries—to Victorino, Moyer, Utley, etc. But they’ve got more than enough, IF HEALTHY, to give us a run. We basically need to get our act back together and start playing at the level we’ve shown we’re capable of. I’d agree if we can keep winning series after series like we did for a while, we’re fine. But those are two big IFs (1, the Braves keep winning at a league best clip and 2) the Phillies get/stay healthy).
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But, they aren’t healthy, and wont be for quite a while.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
they're healthy enough to win...
the rest is just argument and speculation
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Who’s in the minors for Philly that’s worth anything, or are they doing a 3-team trade dealio and giving up a major league level piece?
Morton hit Heyward with an offspeed pitch. Early indication is that the baseball survived the impact.
This.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The addition of ...
Oswalt makes the charging Phillies a real threat in the NL East. Based on this years performance their top 3 of Halladay, Oswalt and Hamel would capture 3 of the top 4 spots ,with only Hudson breaking into that category.The call up of D.Brown is also a shot in the arm after the loss of Victorino.With 60 games left to play, I suspect that playing 500 ball will find the Braves a distant second place at season’s end.
The addition of Brown < Victorino. Victorino is one of the best CFs in the NL.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
if you’re talking defensively, you may have a point. If you’re talking offensively, you’re just flat out wrong.
All-around. His offense is really good, and his D is top notch.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if the Braves play .500 the rest of the season (and why would we assume that’s going to happen, barring some catastrophic injuries to key players), they would not finish in distant second.
The Phillies are currently 55-46. If they play .607 (optimistic) over their final 61 games, they will finish with a record of 92-70.
The Braves are currently 58-42. If they play .500 (pessimistic) over their final 62 games, they will finish with a record of 89-73. That’s only 3 games back – hardly distant second.
Do I think the above scenario is going to happen? No. Let’s not forget that the Braves still have a disproportionate number of home games remaining.
"Never doubt Derek Lowe's ability to win despite himself."
by EricGreggWasPaidOff on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I said..
Brown was a shot in the arm for Philly,not who was a better centerfielder.Brown plays right field anyways. In addition, Victorino has had somewhat of an off year at the plate so far, so Brown in fact could add to the offense.
Also, baseball history is filled with teams who have played better than 600 ball the last 60 or so games of the season.So while you call the Phils projection optimistic, I believe a healthy Phils team with the addition of Oswalt ,and a Heyward type in D. Brown,make 600 ball a very real possibilty,at the least. One never knows of course, but discounting them is foolish.I am sure that is Cox’s thinking as well.The Bravos need to play very good baseball these last 60 games.
by mikie baseball on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 im more concerned about brown after watching him play through out the minors and with the debut he made last nite. I dont think oswalt would make as much of a diffrence as if brown succeds exspectations,the jolt he can give their offense which has been hurt more by injuries then there rotation. Time to hold on boys and just hope we can stick it out with them and fend them off till the end if a move isnt made.
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by SkipTOoMyL0U_ on Jul 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares?
I would rather Oswalt go to the Phillies. Why? Because we 100% cannot face the Phillies in the first round of the playoffs. Thus, we would play the Padres or the Cardinals (assuming that the Phils/Braves are the NL East/WC).
I was scared out of my mind that Oswalt was going to St. Louis. If the Braves got stuck with the Cards in a five game series with Carpenter, Wainwright, Oswalt and Garcia…I just didn’t like the matchup…
Now, even if the Phils snag Oswalt, we have a much better shot over a 7 game series if we faced the Phils in the NLCS…Not saying it would be easy, but better than facing Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt in a 5-game series…
Look. You can’t deny the Phillies are going to hang around, with or without Oswalt. Even if they win the NL East, the Braves are in prime position to take the Wild Card. In fact, I wouldn’t mind facing the Padres (the current best team in the NL) in the first round anyway…
I agree.
Oswalt on the Cardinals is way more devastating than Oswalt on the WC-chasing Phillies, IMO.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Let him go to Philly...
..the Braves hammer Oswalt.
7 games/0-3/45 hits/25 ER/7.58 ERA/1.79 WHIP
"It said 'Bear Left,' so they turned around and went home...." - John Smoltz
The rumors are all over the place on this, the ‘Stros are paying $12M, they are not paying $12M, 1B Singleton is involved, Singleton isn’t involved.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see this not work out at all. Oswalt still has to say yes.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
Oswalt has reportedly approved the deal
His 2012 option pickup is NOT part of the deal – he “will be compensated some other way”.
(via MLBTR)
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
...and will start for the Phils against the Nats Friday night in Washington.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
In 7 reg-season starts vs. #Braves, Roy Oswalt is 0-3 w/ a 7.58 ERA & .354 opponents’ avg. It’s his worst record & ERA against any team./blockquote>
from DOB. This is why we shouldn’t worry.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
Well, that and it forces the Phillies to pick up his option for next year, making it even more likely that they lose at least 2 of Werth, Utley, Rollins and Victorino.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt doesn’t have an option next year. He’s under contract in 2011 (for $16 million) and has an option in 2012 (with a $2 million buyout). He wanted the 2012 option to be picked up as part of any deal but no teams would agree to that so he caved in.
Astros are reportedly sending $11 or 12 million cash to complete the deal, effectively meaning they will pay half his salary for next year and the remainder of this year.
Werth was gone next year no matter what. They have Brown to replace him. Utley and Victorino aren’t going anywhere – they are under contract for the next three seasons. Rollins is signed through 2011, but he should be affordable and I doubt he leaves.
I could be wrong, but I am about 90% certain that Utley and Victorino are both FA after 2011.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope...
Victorino in the last year of his deal making $9.5m, while Utley is signed through 2012 making $15m each in ’11, ’12, and ’13.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/philadelphia-phillies_18.html
So, $15M for Utley, 20+M for Howard, 20+M for Halladay, ?? for Oswalt, ?? for Rollins, emerging holes in CF and LF, no bench, no bullpen and no help in the minors. Am I wrong in being excited about this???
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 30, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh...
I’d agree our future certainly looks brighter, with more flexibility. But they aren’t afraid to spend or make moves, so I guess we gotta wait and see how they address these issues going forward.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't realize...
he’d only pitch against us. Invalid argument is invalid.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sayin’ we can beat him. not sayin he sucks or anything. Not trying to argue.
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in what might be say 1 or 2 of 10-12 starts...
don’t see how that means a damn thing, unless we meet them in the NLCS.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It means they lose 2 more games in the standings to us, which could be huge, if they make any sort of run.
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
right you are! (i don’t like arguing with internet people)
"Tony Gwynn made sacrifices. Cal Ripken made sacrifices. I'm not sure Derek Jeter made sacrifices given the ungodly deep pockets the Yankees have." - Chipper Jones
by MBL1 on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At best, maybe...
but probably not. And if he wins 8 of the other 10-12, would that not be huge as well?
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
No, because we are going to win on the same night!
(Confidence, bra.)
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by RWH2 on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer to be called the Manzierre, thank you very much
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe what a heist this is for the phillies. I hate the astros right now. The phillies give up a #4 starter, a raw toolsy prospect, and a middle reliever for an ace. They also don’t get stuck with his 2012 option and the astros are kicking in money. Hell, the braves should have made this deal.
The Phillies will win the NL East, unless Wren can pull off a deal for a big bat, such as Jose Bautista.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
The Phillies problems go deeper than starting pitching. Yes, they’re on a roll right now, but they were on a horrible tailspin during most of June and July (at least for them). One guy isn’t going to solve all their needs.
Meanwhile, I just wanna go on record in saying that this trade is the apology by Reuben Amaro to their fans for getting rid of Cliff Lee. Except that Oswalt is no longer quite the caliber of Lee.
[Mets] GM Omar Minaya confirmed to Andy Martino of the New York Daily News that the Mets aren't going to fire any coaches today. July 26, 2010.
This trade
makes me appriecate the Yankees. At least they give up good money (and show that they would give up good prospects) for top of the line players. All the Phuckers do is trade for top of the line players for nobodies
Carpe Diaz
Come on, man
I’m sure you would be thrilled if you got a guy like Oswalt for the package that they gave up.
The only time the Mets win is in the offseason.
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